By on March 13, 2014

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Angered by the decision made by the National Labor Relations Board to allow anti-UAW Volkswagen workers to defend the results of an election held last month at the VW plant in Chattanooga, Tenn. on whether or not to be represented by the United Auto Workers, the union has vowed to appeal.

Reuters reports the union believes the NLRB discarded its own precedent by allowing the workers — supported by both the National Right To Work Legal Defense Foundation and Southern Momentum, two of the outside groups that had campaigned against organization by the UAW — a formal role in the dispute, and expressed their displeasure in a statement:

It is an outrage that their allies, who refused to reveal their funding sources and who openly republished the illicit threats in the media and among the Volkswagen workforce, will now be allowed to participate in the NLRB hearing.

Though it was the regional office in Atlanta who signed-off on the decision to allow the anti-UAW workers a valid voice in the dispute, the UAW plans to appeal directly to the five-member NLRB board in Washington, D.C. The office is overseeing the main dispute over the election results — whose decision could lead to a new election if all is found in favor of the UAW — and is planning an investigation regarding the outside interference alleged by the union to be the main cause of their loss.

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64 Comments on “UAW Will Appeal NLRB Decision Giving Anti-UAW VW Workers Voice...”


  • avatar
    Extra Credit

    I’m confused. To rule that any influence, sourced from the inside or outside, affected the outcome of a vote would require that the outcome of a vote is known in advance of the vote. What am I missing?

    • 0 avatar
      Krynn

      You’re missing that the UAW is butthurt that they lost a vote that they thought was stacked in their favor. So now they’re trying to convince the NRLB that the only way they could have lost is if someone else cheated. And they’re getting even more butthurt that the people they’re accusing of cheating are standing up to defend themselves.

    • 0 avatar
      Rod Panhard

      Nothing. The UAW has to keep fighting and exhausting every possible opportunity. Otherwise, it will appear weak.

      In this case, they’re sort of implying the Atlanta office of the NLRB must be run by a bunch of hicks since it’s in the South and didn’t do the job, so they’re taking their beef to the home office.

      Of course, we must recall that Atlanta used to be home to two UAW shops…one for Ford in Hapeville near the ATL airport, and the other in Doraville.

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      Extra Credit, you’re not missing anything because this is far from being over by a long shot.

  • avatar
    Waterview

    I don’t think the framers of our Constitution (from which we borrow the democratic ballot process) intended for democracy to be this hard.

    As a member of the Chattanooga workforce (either UAW supporter or adversary), I’d have to wonder why the UAW would expend all its financial and political capital solely for the right to represent . . . . . me. Or, could it possibly have nothing to do with representing me and simply be all about power and dues . . . . .?

    I’m generally a supporter of trade unions, but someone at the UAW needs to examine the reputational costs of their scorched earth tactics.

    • 0 avatar
      Omnifan

      It’s scorched earth time because Bob King’s rule of the union ends this year AND they have failed to organize any new auto plants in the south.

      • 0 avatar
        dwford

        Their scorched earth tactics are against the very people they claim to want to represent. Doesn’t seem smart to me. This has nothing to do with the UAW caring the slightest bit about improving the working conditions at the plant and everything to do with desperate UAW management needing a win.

        • 0 avatar
          highdesertcat

          It’s more about the existential fight for the UAW itself.

          • 0 avatar
            CarPerson

            No. It’s about sticking a suction hose in the south to suck up huge amounts of dues to funnel to the north to fill huge deficits in union executive pay and perks that has developed over the past ten years.

            Platitudes will be offered benefiting the rank-and-file but the deal is the union elites in Detroit are in desperate straits for funding for their lavish life style. The only source of new funding is them transplants.

            You go girl!

    • 0 avatar
      RobertRyan

      @Waterview,
      If a workforce has VOTED it does not want to be represented by the UAW. Then the Union should accept that decision. Maybe later down the track they will change their minds but not at the moment.

  • avatar
    Jeff Weimer

    So, the UAW wants to dispute the vote to the NLRB, but also wants to keep the opposition from speaking their piece to the NLRB at that same dispute?

    And their reason is that the opposition performed the exact same actions (but for a different outcome) they did at the plant?

    Who’s trying to game the system here?

    • 0 avatar
      dwford

      I’ve always wondered why a union can come into a business, disrupt the business with pickets, leaflets, bother workers at home, tell lies, etc all to try to win a vote, but management at the business can’t do any of that.

      • 0 avatar
        tonycd

        dwford, you’re sorely misguided if you think corporate managements are unfairly outgunned when they seek to prevent unionization of their workforces.

        There’s a reason why union representation has plunged more than three-fourths in the last few decades as a percentage of the nation’s private-sector workers, and it isn’t just because workers all had a mass awakening that being represented in contract talks was useless.

        Google “Walmart unions” for a bit of enlightenment on this.

        • 0 avatar
          CJinSD

          No. It was because the parasites consumed the hosts and those afflicted industries left the US.

        • 0 avatar

          > dwford, you’re sorely misguided if you think corporate managements are unfairly outgunned when they seek to prevent unionization of their workforces.

          > Google “Walmart unions” for a bit of enlightenment on this.

          Rather unnecessary when it’s abundantly evident from the comments on these articles who controls the mindshare of the everyday serf. It’s certainly not their own interests given the talk is of union this union that when most have ~zero experience with unionization.

          So where do they hear of this “3rd party” talk of unions? Exactly.

          • 0 avatar
            CJinSD

            I’ve carried a Teamster card, managed union electricians, and broken a call-center union. What do you know from experience?

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            I don’t agree with you so therefore I’m an everyday serf?

            I see. Spoken like a UAW rep!

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            How to yell upstairs to his mom for another glass of milk.

          • 0 avatar
            mikey

            CJ….You broke a call center union? Did you do that all by yourself?

          • 0 avatar

            > CJ….You broke a call center union? Did you do that all by yourself?

            He told those union electricans to and when they couldn’t be bother get off their ass he did it hisself with the Teamster card.

            Recall this is the same guy whose best buds are paid by the public employer of last resort yet likewise bitch about gubmint largess this and that all day.

            It truly demonstrates just how little mindshare is occupied by personal interest vs. external messaging.

          • 0 avatar

            > I don’t agree with you so therefore I’m an everyday serf?

            Those living with a serf mentality are tautologically everyday serfs.

            This is simply true by definition.

            http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/02/qotd-how-can-the-uaws-damaged-brand-be-fixed/#comment-2847497

          • 0 avatar

            > How to yell upstairs to his mom for another glass of milk.

            Weren’t you just decrying the lack of substance?

            http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/03/how-the-nazis-made-daimler-benz-the-inventors-of-the-automobile-and-wrote-siegfried-marcus-out-of-history/#comment-2941226

            Is must be too hard to figure out what’s going on in *you own* comments.

          • 0 avatar
            CJinSD

            >CJ….You broke a call center union? Did you do that all by yourself?<

            Nope. I just managed the project to recreate the company's assets where they would be out of reach of the union. It was actually the worst assignment I had in that job, since I was also rendering the people I was working with redundant and the commute stunk. Too bad it was before I spent time trying to get union electricians to be productive, or I'd have relished it.

            I see that agenthex has no experience relevant to the topic. Shocker.

          • 0 avatar

            > Too bad it was before I spent time trying to get union electricians to be productive, or I’d have relished it.

            The serf mentality is described above; this is more like a house slave mindset.

          • 0 avatar

            Since it’s already abundantly explained, there’s no need to repeat this:

            http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/02/uaw-vw-works-council-regrouping-under-voting-fallout/#comment-2810161

            Unfortunately it’s not a historical shocker that slaves make the best slave-drivers.

          • 0 avatar
            mikey

            @ CJ…Thanks for the answer. I was sincere, I really was curious, as to how you accomplished it.

            General Motors and the other not so big 3, managed to break the CAW,and they got the UAW on the run.

            I have to say, they used a similar method.

          • 0 avatar
            CJinSD

            mikey,

            As a former Teamster, I have little doubt that you did real work for real compensation. Unfortunately, I also returned to my former employer in a management capacity before and after a strike. Things were done that were far beyond any reasonable justification based on previous relations or the points that were being contested. Union people conducted themselves in subhuman ways. There has to be a reason for folks acting that way, and that reason isn’t a positive one.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @Mikey,
            “General Motors and the other not so big 3, managed to break the CAW,and they got the UAW on the run”

            I get the impression there must have been a fair bit of faction infighting, to let employers run rough shod over the Union. It’s current status tends to reflect that is now part of umbrella organization rather than a standalone Union.

        • 0 avatar
          dwford

          Tonycd, I’m more than enlightened. I was a Wal-Mart manager for 13 years and lived through the flyers being distributed inside the stores, the pickets outside, the vandalism to the store the union caused, etc. I also lived through many management meetings training us about what we COULD’NT do to combat the union without risking an unfair labor practices charge – Wal-Mart basically made us sit on our hands. I was allowed to put a trash can outside for the customers to throw the flyers in and offer the picketers free coffee, though. As the union lied and promised things they couldn’t guarantee to my employees, all I could do was remind everyone that they couldn’t really guarantee those things, that agreeing to a union would be the start of a negotiation.

          • 0 avatar

            > As the union lied and promised things they couldn’t guarantee to my employees, all I could do was remind everyone that they couldn’t really guarantee those things, that agreeing to a union would be the start of a negotiation.

            The union must have promised wage and health benefits decent enough to avoid going on welfare, therefore it must be:

            1. Inconceivable
            2. Very disruptive
            3. Terribly inconvenient

  • avatar
    dwford

    So the UAW only wants to compete against anti union workers that have no money and can’t get their message out. Seems fair.

  • avatar
    natrat

    It helps to read the article before commenting-”supported by both the National Right To Work Legal Defense Foundation and Southern Momentum, two of the outside groups that had campaigned against organization by the UAW”

    Finally someone explained to me the root cause of the anti union push. The unions create a check against management looting re astronomic executive pay and stealing pensions etc because the union would demand the same and that would never fly. So corrupt this country has become.

    • 0 avatar
      3800FAN

      The group they’re trying to silence is the head of the anti-union worker movement from inside the plant. These are the workers that are the voice of the majority. They have special interest groups backing them,,, you’re telling me the uaw doesn’t? The anti-union side won the election they have every right to have a voice in this. This was their win.

      In the end this was a decision made by the workers who felt they were happy with their pay, benefits, working conditions, and relationship with management and the majority of them did not see the need to have union representing them. That’s all it boils down to. So for the UAW to now try to silence the workers they supposedly want to represent makes them look like bullies looking to exploit them for dues and nothing more. This action by the union is more likely to backfire than benefit them.

      • 0 avatar
        tonycd

        I have a problem wiht the idea that the workers rejected the UAW solely because they already occupied the Land of Happy. Namely, it willfully ignores the outside influences who had a powerful economic interest in preventing a union foothold in a Southern transplant auto factory.

        Outside influences like, for example, a U.S. Senator and other public officials who made veiled threats that the state government would renege going forward on the financial guarantees already made to the new factory if the workers dared to unionize.

        When you see “Right to Work,” read “U.S. Chamber of Commerce.” These guys don’t intervene in individual factories’ union elections as an act of altruistic concern that workers might be bullied by big, bad UAW officials (who, as this demonstrates, really aren’t all that powerful a “threat” to anyone anymore). What’s distinctive about this election was that at this plant, management was basically in favor of letting the workers unionize, yet the combination of pro-corporate outside pressures and right-wing ideology by enough of the local workers was enough to make them handcuff themselves from organizing anyway.

        • 0 avatar
          geeber

          The problem is that this isn’t the first time the UAW has failed in its drive to organize a transplant factory. This is just the latest failure.

          These aren’t your father’s automobile factories. Toyota and Honda, in particular, don’t manage their plants they way that the Big Three did until the early 1980s. If they were doing that, then at least one union drive would have succeeded by now. The only problem is that even the Big Three no longer manage their plants the way they used to.

          The Toyota Lean Production method, if properly implemented, increases quality, worker productivity and worker satisfaction. Satisfied workers don’t feel the need for union representation.

          Of course, this is VW we are talking about, and not Honda, Toyota or Nissan. Given its often ham-fisted approach to the U.S. market in general, it’s not unreasonable to believe VW could mess up labor relations in this plant, too.

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        “In the end this was a decision made by the workers who felt they were happy with their pay, benefits, working conditions, and relationship with management and the majority of them did not see the need to have union representing them.”

        If it was that straightforward, then the Republicans should have avoided threatening their jobs and Bob Corker should have not lied about his alleged discussions with VW management.

        Obviously, the antis felt compelled to influence the vote, which would suggest that they were fearful of the possible outcome.

        The conservative politicians brought this on themselves. They should have stayed out of it (since it isn’t their business, anyway), and let the workers vote as they saw fit, free of threats from above.

    • 0 avatar
      George B

      The reason for the anti-union push is unions in the US have picked sides in the political divide. Not just on labor issues, but on all issues the government touches. If you’re opposed to anything Democrats do you’re forced to be anti-union because unions only support Democrats. In contrast, organizations supporting big business give money to candidates of both political parties, buying access from whomever is currently in power. On top of this, the people drawn to political office generally want to yank on the levers of power when they get there, so there are few champions of limited government in government.

      • 0 avatar
        highdesertcat

        That argument can go either way because the Republicans favor big business because of their trickle-down philosophy and the fact that a high-tide raises all boats, including that of the UAW (when times are good).

        That said, as an Independent, it is my belief that labor is labor and only entitled to a fair day’s pay for a fair day’s work.

        What the unions want is a slice of the employer’s profits without the union and the employees having to take any risk. This resulted in the auto industry catastrophe of 2009 with GM and Chrysler dead.

        Steve Rattner and the O***a administration kinda sorta messed up that philosophy by making the UAW part-owners in GM and Chrysler, during and after the bailouts, handouts, nationalization and the pimping of Chrysler to Fiat of Italy (along with a $1.3Billion bribe to take Chrysler’s carcass off our hands).

        So the UAW has to be very careful how they approach GM and Chrysler negotiations so as not to shoot themselves in the foot or cut off their own noses to spite their UAW faces.

        But VW and any other non-union automaker in America is fair game for all the tricks of the UAW trade.

        Stay tuned, there is much more to come. You can bet the farm on that!

        • 0 avatar

          > their trickle-down philosophy and the fact that a high-tide raises all boats, including that of the UAW (when times are good).

          The division of income is a zero sum game, and its math should be easy enough to figure out.

          > That said, as an Independent, it is my belief that labor is labor and only entitled to a fair day’s pay for a fair day’s work.

          I wonder how soon we’ll see the Democrats vs Independents election with this new badge engineering.

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            “I wonder how soon we’ll see the Democrats vs Independents election with this new badge engineering.”

            I don’t think that will ever happen. It’s been tried before, as in “Third” party candidates.

            It can work on a local level, since all politics is local and often Third Party candidates do win. I have voted for some of them in my local/State elections.

            Bernie Sanders is the only US Senator currently serving who is an Independent, but he caucuses with the Dems. So much for being an Independent.

            Look at the Republicans and their infighting with the Tea Party members of their caucus. More than a distraction, it’s more akin to a disruption of the Republican philosophy and totally unproductive.

            Ross Perot tried the Third Party approach and the end result made no one happy.

            It is unlikely that we’ll ever see a viable political system in America with more than two adversarial political parties because if we did it would be more like a parliamentary system, which ours is not.

            Our whole system is designed to whittle down all the candidates to just the two of the prominent political parties in America.

            True Independents, like myself, look for compromise in order to advance and get things done.

            But that is not how it is done on Capitol Hill where the party currently in power is obstructed by their adversaries, the opposition.

            In the past, the roles have been reversed and it took a real leader to get things done.

            Clinton was such a leader, based on his political acumen as longtime Governor. Reagan was such a leader, also derived from his experience as longtime Governor.

            What we have today in America, is a failure to communicate, and a president whose leadership experience was solely obtained as a community organizer in a minority neighborhood.

            What works in the ‘hood doesn’t work outside the ‘hood, and certainly not on a global scale.

          • 0 avatar

            > I don’t think that will ever happen. It’s been tried before, as in “Third” party candidates.

            No I mean this new trend of Republicans who don’t want to be on the wrong side of history again on social issues picking up the Independent label.

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            A lot of people may actually be like me in that I started life as a Democrat, grew up in a Democrat household.

            I became a Republican when I joined the Air Force and started to pay taxes. I didn’t mind paying taxes, but back then I was living in poverty as a second-class citizen because my income in the military was below the poverty line, and there was no such thing as food stamps, WIC or free money from Uncle Sam, like there is now.

            So my wife and I had to hold down extra jobs to bring in the money. She did her part, baby-sitting and cooking for others and I did my part working in the military and holding down odd jobs, like Night Manager at the Auto Hobby Shop on the military base.

            Things got better when I got my fourth stripe and I managed to have eight years in one place, Germany, where I didn’t have to move around at my own expense like I did the first four years in the Air Force.

            But then when I retired from the military in 1985 I had an epiphany! I came to realize it wasn’t how much I made that mattered. What mattered was how much I actually got to keep.

            I became the essence of what Independents are – I started to think for myself, not swallowing the party line of either political party. Instead, Independents vote for the most qualified candidate that can do the most for them, regardless of party.

            After I retired from the USAF I chose to do what worked best for me which was not to be employed by anyone, but to be self-employed, primarily building my house while my wife went to school and got her degree and then went to work in her parents real estate and construction business.

            There exists in the US an enormous underground economy and there is lots of money to be made from within this underground economy.

            Best of all, the tax laws in the US are such that if you own your own business there are all sorts of tax breaks allotted to the business owner to where they can pay themselves next to nothing and have the business pick up most if not all their living expenses.

            My wife’s dad is a life-long Democrat and he has perfected the art and science of running his business, paying his taxes, while at the same time redistributing his wealth to his off-spring in a way that is most beneficial to the family.

            The US political system is in flux right now. In Nov 2014 we’ll see where the majority will steer the country.

            At that time any discussion about how the political factions stack up to each other in America, whether with badge-engineering like “in name only” attached to their political affiliation, becomes a moot point because the course has been set, as it was in 2008, 2010, and 2012.

        • 0 avatar
          Dave M.

          hdc, in fairness to Fiat, suitors for the Chrysler/Jeep carcass weren’t lined up at the door. Yes, they got them for a steal. But no one else would….

          5 years later, and by all indications it’s Chrysler/Jeep that has salvaged/allowed Fiat to fight another day….

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            Dave M., Sure, I understand that.

            I bought my wife a 2012 Grand Cherokee Overland Summit, in spite of the fact that Chrysler had been pimped to Fiat.

            She loves it. I worry every day about that SUV after visiting safercar dot gov and reading up on all the complaints, etc for the 2012 Grand Cherokee.

            I also do not consider the current Grand Cherokee (WK2) to be a Chrysler or Fiat product since it has more in common with a Mercedes ML-series than anything else Fiatsler makes. All the R&D work was done by Daimler.

            I owned Chrysler Jeep products in the past. They were rolling junk even without being taken off-road.

            Sure the UAW assembles the Grand Cherokee in Detroit but look at what has happened to the Grand Cherokee starting with the 2014 model year. It’s shades of “Fix It Again Tony” all over again.

            And, yes, Chrysler has kept its parent, Fiat, afloat.

            So why did we, the people, have to hold on GM? Steve Rattner and the O***a administration could have done the same for GM and pimped it off to some Asian conglomerate instead of keeping that albatross hanging around our neck.

            The answer is, it was because of the UAW. The whole bailout thing was because of the UAW.

            Now the UAW wants to inflict the same on the VW workers in TN? Lord have mercy! It’s no wonder the boys and girls in TN voted to keep the UAW out. The UAW has a track record.

            But lo and behold, like a bad penny, the UAW keeps coming back again and again, contesting decisions that are against them.

            We haven’t seen the end of this. Not by a long shot.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    Free speech only applies to those who agree with us.

  • avatar
    Short Bus

    The UAW reminds me of Cartman throwing a fit to his mom… “BUT MAAAA’AAAAAAAAAAM”

  • avatar
    Dave M.

    BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

    UAW toe tag being prepped as we speak.

  • avatar
    Yeah_right

    This reeks of desperation. There’s no way it ends well. So the NLRB overturns the previous vote. This additional “help” from Washington is going to convince VW employees that their first vote against unionization was wrong?

    What this accomplishes is to motivate the workers who didn’t vote to do so. And their vote will be “You been told. Now git!” (Before you attack, know that I’m a Southerner).

    All the while the coffers of the UAW are drained.

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      You have to understand that the UAW only supports a vote if the vote goes their way.

      This time, for whatever reason, the vote did not go their way when all the signs indicated that they would.

      It reminds me of the last presidential election when Karl Rove and the Republicans read the tealeaves and projected Romney would win by a wide margin.

      Hello there! I’m an Independent and I voted for neither of those candidates, and I’m willing to bet that millions of other Independents also cast a vote for neither of these two, if in fact, they even turned out to vote at all.

      The UAW read all the signs correctly; the home boys in Germany wanted union representation at VW in TN, management at VW in TN also wanted and endorsed it, and the UAW wanted their camel’s nose in the VW tent.

      Only the actual workers at VW in TN saw the damage that the UAW had inflicted on GM and Chrysler that resulted in the Detroit of today.

      The workers at VW in TN have spoken, they voted to keep the UAW out. But because the UAW doesn’t honor votes against them, they’re appealing, and appealing, ad nauseam.

  • avatar
    Dirty Dingus McGee

    In most cases the benefits of union membership are outweighed by the cost. As a contractor, we are in and out of both for jobs. I watched one company that was convinced to go union, nearly revolt against the union leadership a few months after the vote. The union had promised all kinds of benefits, but forgot about some the company gave, or turned a blind eye to. For instance; the company at one time had coffee pots through out the plant, supplied all the coffee, sugar, etc, employees were “allowed” to leave the property to run down to a local fast food joint, our company came in and did a lot of the things that the employee’s didn’t want to do. After the vote, ALL those went away. Petty and vindictive of the company? Maybe, but none of this was brought up in the union contract, so the company was just following the contract to the letter, as the union demanded on other things.

    Our business is non union. We offer good pay, the best benefits we can afford( and make no mistake, some are damned expensive), and try to accommodate the employees needs(sometimes impossible). I learned many years ago to expect about 6 productive hours in an 8 hour shift. If you give me that, I’m fine. If not you WILL see me. If it doesn’t improve you would be best to have a back up plan, as you will soon need it.

  • avatar
    mikey

    @HDC… As a former UAW and CAW member, I have accepted, that the private sector unions,are either dead, or dying. That’s not to say I condone it, or welcome it. I truly believe we are in a race to the bottom. However, I have reached a stage in life, where I’m more concerned, in me and mine. I will leave the “social injustices” for the next generations to deal with.

    Personally I would like to see, whats left of the UAW, look after what they got, rather than trying to expand.

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      mikey, my philosophy is that the workers themselves should decide if they want/need union representation to communicate with their employer.

      Those outside of that relationship can advice, counsel and picket, but the decision must be by the people who will be controlled by their union.

      I grew up in a union household. The IBEW union got my dad a job when employers were biased against hiring him because of his dark Portuguese complexion, fearing that fellow white workers were not ready to accept someone with such a deep dark tan.

      That was then, this is now. The UAW has to expand. They cannot continue as they are. For the UAW, and many other unions in America, the fight is existential. They have to win, in order to live on as a union.

      They don’t care about the people they represent. All any union cares about is the dues income and the political clout it brings.

  • avatar
    gogogodzilla

    It’s pretty obvious by now that VW wants a union at their plant. Why are the Republicans, champions of governmental non-interference with business, working so feverishly to stop a private business from running it’s operations the way they wish to?

    Doesn’t that contradict their own core principles?

    Corker looks to be more in the mold of a Democrat than anything else.

  • avatar
    mikey

    VW may want a union, but they want it their way. I don’t know if North America is ready for that…..yet.

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      mikey, the homeboys in Germany want a union in all their plants. The management at VW TN is just doing the home boys’ bidding.

      I believe that ultimately the UAW will succeed in getting their camel’s nose into the tent at VW TN. The UAW will flog this dead horse as long as O***a is in office, and will continue to do so when Hillary gets elected. Right now she’s the only viable candidate from either political side.

      The key really is the election in America in Nov 2014. If the political landscape changes to Republican dominance, O***a can look forward to a very restful two remaining years and play Golf every day.

      If that happens, the downside is that the status quo continues for two more years and nothing will be done or accomplished legislatively.

      Been that way for three years now after the Democrat reversal of fortunes in 2010.

      • 0 avatar
        mikey

        @ HD…I follow American politics, though I don’t come close to understanding it.

        I do understand that in a two year time frame, politics, and the auto industry, can go through, many changes. Some good ,some not so good.

        • 0 avatar
          highdesertcat

          Politics in America is like making sausage. It’s pretty awful when you see what goes into making it.

          But this is what our forefathers had in mind in order to form a more perfect union.

          In America it takes leadership, leading from the front, setting the example, urging the people of the Republic to “Follow Me!”

          America had such leaders in the past, but we don’t have one today, and that just complicates matters for America, and the rest of the world.

          But, hey, this is what the majority in America wanted. This is what the majority in America voted for. Not just once, but twice!

          Those of us who don’t agree with the majority just have to suck it up, and deal with it.

  • avatar
    Big Al from Oz

    @mikey
    Unions don’t represent what is needed any longer. That’s why they are dying.

    What can unions offer a potential ‘customer’? Job security? No, they destroy jobs opportunities through selfishness. Better conditions? No? Through unions of the past, governments have enacted many changes to the workplace.

    As the left wing ideals of unions evolved they have been displaced with better alternatives. Unions once had a place in society like the horse and cart or candle stick makers. But are these relics of old. Are they still part of capitalism or modern business? No.

    But the unions role has never evolved quick enough to match technology and capitalism.

    You see without capitalism, left wing socialism, like unionism can’t survive. Why? Where will the money come from? Unionism are parasitic in that they need a host. A host is either a very large corporation or government body. Without those unionism doesn’t have a hope in hell.

    Unions have relied on other’s within a society to meet their demands when the wheels fell of the cart, ie, Detroit’s auto manufacturers, Detroit, again when the city goes broke, or any other failure caused by unions and poor corporate management.

    I do have empathy for the workers of the city of Detroit, but they must take some of the fallout, because they were instrumental in the ridiculous and unmanageable demands that were placed on the city.

    The rest of Michigan or the US shouldn’t bailout cities, business from poor decision making.

    A small business employee who is more atuned with the company he works for would make ridiculous claims which could cause the demise of his employment. If he did he would be sacked and rightly so, unless government regulations were violated.

    Small business is what keep many countries going and as I stated without captialism, unionism couldn’t of existed.


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