Renault Fluence: Maybe Some Japanese Magic Will Help Renault's Sorry State in Brazil

Marcelo de Vasconcellos
by Marcelo de Vasconcellos

Global alliances between humongous corporate entities are always intimidating and mostly ill-performing. Oftentimes they just don’t work (née Daimler-Chrysler). Other times we just don’t see the point (Ford and various ex-PAG members or GM-Saab). The Renault-Nissan Alliance, who-would-have-believed-it is maybe, just maybe, the most successful of the lot. As TTAC itself has reported earlier, the French car known as the Nissan Tiida is now America’s best-selling compact car. In Brazil, Nissan has just sprinkled some of its Nippo-fairy-wand-dust on Renault’s latest gambit in the relatively small, but very profitable executive level segment in Brazil.

Now, let’s clarify a bit. Executive level cars in Brazil are the same (with some extra Euro-offerings unknown in America) as those known as compact cars in North America. However, price tags are very lofty. Fancy a Civic? It can be yours for R$62,500 or US$34,700 (this and all the following prices gleamed from Brazilian car mag’s website Quatro Rodas). How’s about a Civic Si? It’s down at the dealer waiting for you and your obese check of R$97,000 or US$53,900. Let’s see something very ho-hum…I know, a VW Jetta. It can be had for R$81,400 or US$45,220! How does a Citroën C4 Pallas strike you? Bigger than the Japanese, it’s a relative bargain at R$58,900 or US$32,720 (according to Citroën’s Brazilian site). So the brand-new, not even on sale yet, Renault Fluence seems promising in the market. It starts at just R$60,000 or US$33,333 according to the Brazil’s Quatro Rodas.

To further clarify, I must dimension my affirmation of Renault’s sorry situation in Brazil. Though some would beg to differ, as Renault has made a comeback of sorts (thanks to the Dacia Logan/Sandero cheap twins), it was once in a much better position than now. At the end of 2010, Renault seems to be just back at the position it carved out for itself ten years ago (as Brazilian readers of this site know. The late 90s was the time when, for a while, the Scénic was the car, or in this case, le voiture to have). In other words, when the Brazilian car market opened up in the early 90s, Renault was one of the first ones in. It was rewarded for its agility. Brazilians soon put it in fifth place in sales. Sometimes it would just be breathing down Ford’s neck. However, Ford launched the EcoSport, which saved its bacon. Renault also made a series of strategic mistakes it’s still paying for dearly now. Namely, it decontended its cars and didn’t bring the price down proportionally. It also is (to a large extent) brought down by its reputation of having expensive replacement parts. So, though Brazilians are relatively comfortable with Renault’s mechanical reliability now, they still shudder at the thought of maintaining one over the long run.

This is where Nissan comes in. Though Nissan itself has not had the success of brothers Honda and Toyota, they’re still seen as a Japanese company. That still merits them (basically) a free pass from the market of (mostly) ignorant consumers. They think these cars will never break. They are Japanese after all and all that. Something keeps pulling them back though. Nissan has almost never broken the 1 percent market share in Brazil. Both Honda and Toyota hover at around 3 or 4 percent, sometimes doing better. Well, that’s enough to dominate this particular market segment. The executive class. Brazilian style.

Nissan’s magic (or collaboration) comes via their engine. Finally, they donate it to a Renault product. Both mills are quite similar in final output. Renault’s old engine (gasoline only) is good for 138 hp. Nissan’s makes 140hp out of gasoline and 143 out of ethanol. So where’s the difference? It’s all in the delivery. Nissan’ iteration packs a lot of technology that Renault’s engine was missing. And yes, the driver does feel it. Renault’s old lump was quite a lump. It weighed more and was much thirstier.Not only that, but the transmission is pure Nissan. Out goes the old 4-speed Renault auto, in comes Nissan’s much more modern 6-speed. Higher trims will also get Nissan’s CVT, well-known to you in the USA as the Sentra’s primary “shifter”. So now the Renault Fluence is up on par vis-à-vis the Japanese. Will it be enough?

This, BTW, gets my two thumbs up. Finally, much in the vein of my recent positive review of Peugeot’s 3008, these changes show that the Frenchies are now realizing half-measures will not do. Even in Brésil. Now, if you put your heart (and your best parts) into it, you’ll find favor. At least with those of us who pay attention to the automotive world.

In the you-really-don-want-to-know-dept: Neither French Renault nor Japanese Nissan designed and developed the Fluence. This is the child of Renault’s little known South Korean subsidiary, Samsung. Yes Samsung. Renault bought Samsung’s auto division a while back. This is the first international offering to come from that investment.

Who said globalization can’t work? Here you have a Korean engineered, largely from French and Japanese part bins, not to mention Renault’s old C platform (which serves the new European Mégane), already on sale in Argentina (where Renault enjoys a strong reputation) and on sale in Brazil in February 2011. Equipment level, pricing, styling and size have all been improved. Will this new Korean-blessed-with-Japanese-parts-French-car be enough (sorry for all the hyphens, but what would you do to describe it?)? Or will the Japanese continue with their stranglehold of this market segment?

From all I’ve read, and from what some journo friends are saying, this car is worth a visit. Would you favor it over the Japanese?


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  • Robert Schwartz Robert Schwartz on Dec 13, 2010

    IIRC, When Roger Penske was negotiating to buy Saturn from GM, those were the cars he was going be selling as the next generation Saturns. Ghosn killed the idea because he did not want to compete with himself.

  • Zipper69 A Mini should have 2 doors and 4 cylinders and tires the size of dinner plates.All else is puffery.
  • Theflyersfan Just in time for the weekend!!! Usual suspects A: All EVs are evil golf carts, spewing nothing but virtue signaling about saving the earth, all the while hacking the limbs off of small kids in Africa, money losing pits of despair that no buyer would ever need and anyone that buys one is a raging moron with no brains and the automakers who make them want to go bankrupt.(Source: all of the comments on every EV article here posted over the years)Usual suspects B: All EVs are powered by unicorns and lollypops with no pollution, drive like dreams, all drivers don't mind stopping for hours on end, eating trays of fast food at every rest stop waiting for charges, save the world by using no gas and batteries are friendly to everyone, bugs included. Everyone should torch their ICE cars now and buy a Tesla or Bolt post haste.(Source: all of the comments on every EV article here posted over the years)Or those in the middle: Maybe one of these days, when the charging infrastructure is better, or there are more options that don't cost as much, one will be considered as part of a rational decision based on driving needs, purchasing costs environmental impact, total cost of ownership, and ease of charging.(Source: many on this site who don't jump on TTAC the split second an EV article appears and lives to trash everyone who is a fan of EVs.)
  • The Oracle Some commenters have since passed away when this series got started.
  • The Oracle Honda is generally conservative yet persistent, this will work in one form or fashion.
  • Theflyersfan I love this car. I want this car. No digital crap, takes skill to drive, beat it up, keep on going.However, I just looked up the cost of transmission replacement:$16,999 before labor. That's the price for an OEM Mitsubishi SST. Wow. It's obvious from reading everything the seller has done, he has put a lot of time, energy, and love into this car, but it's understandable that $17,000 before labor, tax, and fees is a bridge too far. And no one wants to see this car end up in a junkyard. The last excellent Mitsubishi before telling Subaru that they give up. And the rear facing car seat in the back - it's not every day you see that in an Evo! Get the kid to daycare in record time! Comments are reading that the price is best offer. It's been a while since Tim put something up that had me really thinking about it, even something over 1,000 miles away. But I've loved the Evo for a long time... And if you're going to scratch out the front plate image, you might want to do the rear one as well!
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