By on April 17, 2014

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Automotive News reports Honda announced the Fit-based subcompact crossover will be called the HR-V, releasing the first official photos during the 2014 New York Auto Show. The crossover will enter U.S. showrooms later this year from Honda’s Celaya, Mexico plant, where the Fit is made, and will be priced just below the CR-V, currently $23,775 to start.

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119 Comments on “New York 2014: Honda Announces 2015 Fit-Based HR-V CUV...”


  • avatar
    thornmark

    Looks nice, but the wheels look a little smallish.

    Still much better than the Encore, which is a definitive klown car.

    • 0 avatar
      stuntmonkey

      > the wheels look a little smallish.

      The TOV forums are going to be all over that one. Otherwise, small wheels=tighter turning radius, something that would be expected of a Fit-based platform. If it wasn’t for the silly CAFE incentives, drop this down and it would make for a nice sportback design.

    • 0 avatar
      bryanska

      You can bet this will be a lot buckier, stiffer, louder and overall less pleasant than the Encore.

      • 0 avatar
        thornmark

        The HR-V will be louder but more pleasant because it will handle well and get better mpg and performance than the Encore.

        CR finds the Encore slow and not very thrifty.

        “The Encore’s 138-hp, 1.4-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine does it no favors. Mated to a six-speed automatic transmission, it’s often struggling. Acceleration times are slow. And there’s no real payoff for having such a tiny powerplant; it only gets 23 mpg overall.”

        They also say the Buick is terribly over-priced and scores too low to recommend.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          Ford and others can tout 1.0L gas motors all they like, I personally see no reason to ever drop below a 2.0L in an I4.

          • 0 avatar
            thornmark

            The Encore costs $30k+ and does 0-60 in 11 secs while getting only 23 mpg in CR’s extensive tests.

            That’s craptastic.

          • 0 avatar

            There are benefits 28. Not so much economy (though in stop and go traffic there is a benefit), but being smaller they weigh less and the dynamics of the car as a whole is better. Specially as some 1.6s now put out 270, 1.0 get close to 160. They also slide in easier to new emissions regulations (a fact of life), so there’ll be lots of future developments and improvements for smaller engines in the foreseeable future.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @thornmark, Marcelo

            My 3800 W-body consistently does 19 in city driving and has a curb weight of 3477lbs. MY14 Encore has a curb weight of 3190lbs but uses a motor 2.4 liters smaller with two less cylinders and a new whiz bang fuel injection system. Nobody is racing these things they are commuter fodder, so zero to sixty doesn’t matter. What matters is comfort, comparative safety, fuel economy, and TCO. I expect better than 4mpg city driving out of something so supposedly wonderful for almost $30K USD. MY13 Honda Civic gets 28mpg city according to EPA with a curb weight of 2716lbs and a 1.8L motor. So Encore, your roughly 500lbs and a smaller motor cost your owners 5 city mpgs?

            http://www.edmunds.com/pontiac/grand-prix/2007/features-specs.html

            http://www.buick.com/encore-luxury-small-crossover/features-specs/dimensions.html

            https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSearch.do?action=noform&path=7&year=2013&make=Honda&model=Civic&srchtyp=ymm

            http://www.edmunds.com/honda/civic/2013/features-specs.html

          • 0 avatar

            Hey 28! The wonderfulness is just marketing doing its job. I’m guessing right now auto makers are trying to do 2 things with the smaller engines, increase output to satisfy consumers and reduce emissions to placate regulations. Economy has probably taken a back seat to these 2 other considerations (and they’re trying to get that working on the ancillary systems, stop-and-go, taller gear ratios, autos and CVTs as its easier that way). These new smaller engines, high tech engines are gaining the streets now. You can bet that they’ll improve over time delivering more economy and possibly more power in the next few years.

          • 0 avatar
            tankinbeans

            When I first saw the ad about the new Taurus coming with the Focus ST engine I was gobsmacked. That seems like a very huge car for a fairly tiny engine, turbo or not. However, I guess if they’re going to plop it in the Edge, Explorer, Flex (?) it couldn’t be any worse in the Taurus.

            I personally wouldn’t want it. It’s not that I have anything against 4 cylinder engines, I’ve driven many of them with no complaints, but these huge behemoths seem like they wouldn’t be able to get out of their own way.

            That said, I seem to recall hearing that anything over 2.4 litres is large according to most European markets. Not having any personal experience with that I couldn’t say for sure.

          • 0 avatar

            That’s the point tankinbeans, they “seem” like they can’t motivate those cars. If Ford is doing as you say (not doubting you here, just don’t know), it’d seem that they think so. So then, it’s up to you, the individual consumer to see it for yourself. Don’t take anybody’s word for it, try it yourself.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I’m not a physicist by any means but without cutting the weight I don’t see fuel economy improving with smaller motors, let alone giving the driver a good experience (as CR alludes to in thornmark’s post). Fuel economy is a US national security issue and IMO everything should take a backseat to it. If the motors can generate sufficient torque then I’m all for it, but I’m very skeptical.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            tankinbeans-

            The 2.0T is already in the Focus, Fusion, Escape, MKZ, Edge, Edge and Explorer (they won’t put it in the Flex). Its good to great in first five vehicles mentioned. I wouldn’t pay the premium for it in the Taurus and its a dog in the Explorer. I don’t care what Ford says, the 2.0T has no business in the Explorer. You are better off with AWD and the 3.5 Duratec. The 2.3T will be a better engine for the D-platform vehicles. It has 300+ HP and torques.

            The upcoming 9-speed automatic for FWD/AWD products will help the 1.5/1.6/2.0/2.3 turbocharged I4 engines. The real peach should be the smaller ecoboost V6 in something like the Fusion, but I do not approve of the engine displacement.

          • 0 avatar

            Great point 28. that’s where Ford’s experimentation with aluminum might come in handy. The high strength yet light steels of today will also see greater use. the electronics will further undergo miniaturization. I seem to remember reading somewhere a supplier touting their new airbags systems which weighed 20% (IIRC) less than the conventional ones. Where there’s a will there’s a way. there will surely be trade offs though, the effortless, slow revving of a V8 will more likely than not soon disappear.

        • 0 avatar
          bikephil

          CR seems to think that any vehicle that isn’t a Toyota or Honda to be terrible. Have since the ’70′s…I place zero credence in their findings.

          • 0 avatar
            thornmark

            And yet research has shown CR is the most trusted source and often the first resource of shoppers.

            They have erred on occasion but they have earned their stellar reputation.

            And it’s not like the Encore is an American car, it’s just another Buick rebadge of whatever Opel or Daewoo product GM deems necessary. CR often rates other German and Korean cars highly, just not this one.

          • 0 avatar
            Lorenzo

            Actually, in the early-mid 1970s, CR was big on American full size V8s, and the Japanese models were heavily down rated. That generation of CR testers is gone and was replaced by people who were young when the Celica/Supra/240Z were popular. There will be another change-over in CR testers soon, and there’s no telling what they’ll like best. It’ll take a few years after the changing of the guard before that becomes apparent. Individuals with biases never change, but they eventually retire/die off, to be replaced by a new set of biases.

          • 0 avatar
            mikey

            CR bias?… I got a CR recommended, Krup toaster oven that is piece of junk.

            I was under the impression that CR was fairly good with appliances.

            After all they give Toyota a by, for how many years?

        • 0 avatar
          bryanska

          Oh God I know that engine is so lacking. #1 barrier… Otherwise I’d be plunking my money down.

        • 0 avatar
          NormSV650

          I paid $24,000 for AWD Encore or about where this thing starts? Automobile said it was a $12,000 less expensive BMW X1:

          http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1402-2013-buick-encore-awd-vs-bmw-x1-xdrive28i-comparison/?fullsite=true

          TTAC’s very own Alex Dykes exceeded highway EPA in combined driving in the Encore AWD. And so did Motorweek. I have no problem seeing almost 40 mpg if I’m really good. Add in a Trifecta tune and the co-worker’s V8 Silverado can’t pass the Encore AWD at least until his 100 mph speed limiter and is faster than a Mazda CX-5 in Motor Trend’s figure-eight.

          CR is a racket allowing people to donate money, provide contact information during surveys, and vote people on the board. They are truly unique as one of their top guys left for Nissan according to Autoblog podcasts.

    • 0 avatar
      tonycd

      How come Honda can breathe a modicum of style and taste into something as difficult to do well as a boxy little CUV, yet they can’t style a presentable luxury performance sedan to save their life?

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    In what way is this different than the green Hyundai Tucson they use on Walking Dead, which is an aging design now? It looks very similar, just doesn’t have a horrible plastic triangle at the back.

    http://images.thecarconnection.com/sml/2013-hyundai-tucson_100400237_s.jpg

  • avatar
    Kyree S. Williams

    It’s nice enough, and I think it’ll be a hit among the intended crowd. But for that kind of money, I’d rather have a nicely-optioned Kia Soul.

  • avatar
    Zykotec

    Some 15 years from now, I will end up in some weird discussion about what is the best out of a used HRV and a used X4. And I guess in 2wd form with a small diesel, and will recommend the HRV.
    Then after 2 months I will be asked to help him fix all the deteroriating parts of the X4 he bought cheap, because he didn’t listen to me…
    Then after gloating a bit for a year or so, I will meet some dude who knew some dude who hated the HRV, because the one he bought had a rusty exhaust and worn out battery, and he will say that I’m always wrong…

  • avatar
    Lie2me

    If this is “just below” $23,775 then it’s too much. Mazda CX-5 is $21,475 and I think the Renegade is going to be even less. I don’t see the value other then it just being a Honda

  • avatar
    VoGo

    Perfect market segment. Right look, right size. Assuming the drivetrain is typically Honda and the price is right, they’ll sell 70,000/year without breaking a sweat.

  • avatar
    tankinbeans

    It almost looks like they’re aping the Crosstour, but making it a little less homely.

    I wouldn’t turn this car away if somebody gave me one as long as it got decent mileage.

  • avatar
    alsorl

    Makes the Fit look useless. I hope it has better quality interior parts then in the Fit and something to help out that road noise.

    • 0 avatar
      Zykotec

      The way the market has been going in recent years, I think a lot of people have been waiting for this to replace their Fit. Honda would rather decontent interior plastics and soundproofing, than decontent parts that affect reliability, so don’t get your hopes up. I hope the new Mexican factory means they can cut some costs and still keep the build quality.

  • avatar
    Volt 230

    $23k to start? Holy inflation, Batman! If and when these Chinamen make their cars good enough to sell here, they’re gonna come in and take over the market, just like they did with just about everything else they sell here!

  • avatar
    Carfan94

    Why do we have to call it the “HR-V”? What was wrong with “Vezel”?

  • avatar
    FormerFF

    The pricing is a concern. If it’s similarly equipped to a CRV and only a little less expensive, I don’t see all that many Americans choosing it over a CRF. If it came in reasonably well equipped at around $20,000, then it’s a good competitor for the Kia Soul or Scion XB.

    • 0 avatar
      APaGttH

      Basically just wrote the same post below – completely agree.

      $20K puts it in the same pricing league as the new Trax and the Juke. The Soul remains the value leader. Closer to $23K now puts it in the same price league as entry level compact SUVs, and right around the Buick Encore – which the B+B love to malign, but is selling well.

      • 0 avatar
        CJinSD

        Is the Soul really a CUV? It seems more like a PT Cruiser knock-off, only with a lower quality interior and styled by someone with no inspiration. Is there an AWD Soul?

        The HR-V isn’t my thing, not being a fan of arching window lines or gimmicky rear door handles, but I don’t think it needs to worry about the Soul or the Daewoo Encore as competitors. They’re both for people that won’t buy a Honda for reasons completely separated from the quality of the vehicles.

        • 0 avatar
          FormerFF

          I believe the Soul is considered a “mini-MPV”. I do believe that potential buyers will look at the HR-V as being similar in value and may very well balk at a midline equipped HR-V if it’s in the $25,000 range.

        • 0 avatar

          No the Soul is what’s called in Brazil a monovolume, to differentiate it from the likes of a minivan. Renault Kangoo, Fiat Doblo (soon in a dealership near you as a RAM ProMaster), among a host of others all fall into the category. FWIW, I like the Soul’s design.

          I agree with you on the HRV. I also don’t like arching window and roof lines, but unfortunately it seems to be a trend. Pretty similar to what I see on the Mazda 6 or even Fiat Viaggio or Ottimo (Fiat’s version of the Dodge Dart). The rear door handles don’t bother me, but I don’t like the too prominent lights. Wish they’d tuck it in a little.

        • 0 avatar
          APaGttH

          There are over 100K Kia Soul buyers and millions upon millions in ad spend that do not agree with your assessment.

          I don’t know where low grade interior and heated seats front and rear, with ventilated seats front come into “low grade.”

          The Soul is by ever account, including the B&B and screaming value that is very well contented.

          • 0 avatar
            CJinSD

            Was that directed at me? How many people bought PT Cruisers? How many Soul buyers would have bought another PT Cruiser instead if given the option? I’ve yet to see a Soul owned by someone that a marketer would brag about ensnaring. I did go to a wedding where two out of towners were issued them as rental cars though. The Souls weren’t very nice relative to certain other cars that can be had for less than $20K.

          • 0 avatar
            Kenmore

            In cars as in life, arthritis makes the Soul easier to understand.

          • 0 avatar
            tonycd

            CJ, according to Motor Authority (the first source I turned up on Google), a total of 1,350,000 PT Cruisers were sold worldwide.

            To your second question, I suspect most people would choose a 2013 car over a basically similar 2005 one. I have no idea what the point of your question is.

  • avatar
    gtrslngr

    So …. the Fit is throwing a fit …. birthing this . Hmmmmn .

    All bets are : with the current trends in compact CUV sales [ and especially \" premium \" compact CUV\'s ] the count down has no doubt begun for the Acura version to surface sooner than later as well .

    Then we’ll see just what kind of a fit the Fit is really capable of throwing .

    Can you say … a $40k Fit with an Acura badge on its snout ? I’ll bet you can . Now that’ll be a Fit worth having a [ negative ] fit over

    • 0 avatar
      APaGttH

      You really need to apply a filter before you type.

      Seeing how the RDX starts at $35K – an Acura version at $40K is beyond ridiculous speculation.

      There is clearly a market for near luxury subcompact CUVs – that has already been very clearly established in the market.

      Acura does a lot wrong – but their CUV/SUV product line is not one of them.

      • 0 avatar
        gtrslngr

        Ahhh … once again some little bundle of Zeros and Ones comes along with his/her peanut gallery critiques .

        Seriously . You doubt a $40K Acura version of the HR-V is possible ? You don’t know much about Acuras badge engineering and pricing . Do you !

        But pray tell oh bundle of Zeros and Ones . Which badge engineered Hondas posing as Acuras for $10k + over the price of their comparable Hondas isn’t in fact … wrong ?

        Oh wait . You are probably one of those all too willing to pay $500 for a $50 box with a pretty ribbon and premium label on the front …

        … and I’m trying to make financial sense to someone unable to comprehend financial sense

        Mea culpa . Never mind !

        • 0 avatar
          Master Baiter

          Well…. /…/

          The…. / Acura MDX ….

          / >< … has no Honda equivalent… so there /// …. ///… &*(&&^^

          • 0 avatar
            Kyree S. Williams

            I don’t know about the new MDX, but the old one actually was on the same platform as the Pilot and Odyssey (which was derived from the Accord), but that doesn’t mean that gtr’s argument is any less ridiculous.

            Speaking of gtr, I don’t know *how* many times I have to tell him/her that “badge-engineered” refers to two different cars whose only differences are badges and some minor styling changes, like the Yukon and Tahoe. The RDX is *not* a badge-engineered CR-V.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            You could fight the badge engineering/platform sharing battle all day and it wouldn’t change anyone’s mind. It’s the perfect “go to” argument when hating on one car or another without good cause. Can you imagine what a car would cost if each were totally unique?

    • 0 avatar
      Zykotec

      Well, with Acura specific sheetmetal on the outside, a 300hp v6 up front, 2×100 hp electric motors in the back, throw in a couple of Recaro seats, and a Momo sterring wheel in an otherwise spartan interior, and lower it an inch or two while you’re at it, and it will be worth every penny of those 40k ;)

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    VERY attractive, and the Fit is a great platform to be built on.

    Not sure what “just below” is code for with the “just below” price sitting at close to $24K.

    With the Chevy Trax starting at around $17K, a Soul starting around $14K, the Nissan Juke stating at $19K, and what is likely the higher content Buick Encore at around $24K, I’m concerned this isn’t being priced properly.

    If, “just below” is code for $20Kish – I think Honda has a home run. If “just below” is code for $22.5K – $23K sticker – I think they have problems – base for base the CR-V sitting on the same showroom floor is going to make this a hard sell if the pricing is too close (People’s Exhibit A Buick Verano vs. Buick Regal – People’s Exhibit B ILX vs TSX)

    But it is a fine looking cute ute built on great platform. This is all about execution.

    • 0 avatar
      gtrslngr

      Trax – Rebadged DaeWoo

      Encore – the same only with a larger price tag [ not to mention both saddled with the current GM stigma ]

      KIA Soul – The Hipster Hamster mobile only the 50+ crowd is buying and even at that the car is barely selling

      Nissan Juke – Which is a joke by any and all design standards and barely holding its own sales wise as well

      No . I’m none too thrilled with this Fit having a fit HR-V mind you . But all bets are even at Encore prices Honda will have no problems moving them off the lots in droves . Folks jess loves they Hondas !

      • 0 avatar
        APaGttH

        The rebadged Daewoo strawman is very outdated – that is TTAC circa 2010.

        The Encore is a success – the Kia Soul is a screamingly huge success.

        As far as your buyer demographics claim for Kia Soul buyers – the aggregate age of all new car buyers in the United States is 51 years old – so your point is exactly – what? That the demographic in the national average age for all new car buyers are buying new Kia Souls.

        I sure didn’t see Scion kicking the blue hairs buying the xB or Honda kicking the blue hairs buying the Element off of their showroom floors.

        Over 50 buyers tend to have jobs – and money – and credit – and actually oh I don’t know – pay their car loans off.

        It must be Obvious Day at Camp Stupid.

        • 0 avatar
          CJinSD

          This word strawman, I don’t think it means what you think it means. Rebadged Daewoos are rebadged Daewoos. Don’t like it? Find another company that’s looking for shill bloggers.

        • 0 avatar
          gtrslngr

          #1 The badge engineered DaeWoo comment is still all too relevant and applicable as well

          #2 The Encores sales have been in overall decline since January 2014

          #3 The KIA Soul has been anything but a success . Fact is … its sales have been stalled for months . As in the last 24 months in fact [ pay attention to the numbers son ]

          #4 In case this obvious little fact has passed right over you .. KIA has been actively marketing the Soul to the 20 something crowd from day one and still are [ trying like hell to that is ] … who are in fact not buying them . So you tell me in light of KIAs failed marketing what my point is junior !

          But .. yeah . You’re right ! It is Stating the Obvious Day at your recreational place of choice … Camp [excruciatingly ] Stupid * that is .

          *Jeeze … thats almost too pathetic to even repeat as a retort . Never mind come outta the gate with it . That the best you’re capable of APaGttH ?

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            I am not grasping the significance of the term “badge engineered Daewoo”. I assume it is meant as an insult.

            I would expect that an international firm like GM leverages the talents of its engineers and product planners globally. If there is a center of excellence in an advanced economy like Korea, why not develop cars there?

          • 0 avatar

            VoGo, yes I do believe he means it as an insult, but ultimately this screed holds no water.

          • 0 avatar
            APaGttH

            …but ultimately this screed holds no water…

            Exactly.

          • 0 avatar
            enzl

            Kia has been capacity constrained on Souls for approximately 3 yrs, 1st because they simply couldn’t get enough to US, lately because of model changeover.
            (Work for organization that owns 3 Kia dealerships. We could sell double the allocation each month if available. I’ve gone to dealer meetings, so could a lot of other guys).

          • 0 avatar
            bryanska

            “Encore posted its best month since introduction, delivering 4,990 retail sales in March [2014], a 71 percent increase year over year.”

      • 0 avatar

        It may have been developed by Daewoo, or GM Korea, but the Trax and all cars sitting on its platform (Sonic, Spark, Cruze, Brazilian Cobalt) ride well. Not very performance oriented, but nice all around types of cars.

        Let’s not forget, this latest round of Daewoos were engineered under GM and Opel stewardship. As so, they really can’t be compared to previous Daewoos.

        • 0 avatar
          gtrslngr

          Marcelo de V

          ” Screed that holds no water ”

          So like so many others these days may I assume you have no problems with A] Manufactures lying about where a car comes from B] Overcharging you premium or US prices for pos Korean built econoboxes C] Have Zero sense of what the actual value of a product .. never mind the dollar you just spent on it is worth D Enjoy and in fact revel in the reality that you’ve been thoroughly ripped off ?

          Yeah … and I’ll bet you’re fool enough to pay $100 for a $10 T- Shirt with a designer label on the front as well

          And btw .. OPEL has not had one single iota of input in the design etc of ANY DaeWoo product currently masquerading as a GM/OPEL/Vauxhall . That Mr V … is blatant GM propaganda in an attempt to soften the blow of the crap they’re selling from DaeWoo under their various monikers

          Jeeze ! And you kids wonder why you haven’t got a dime to your name to spend on a new car . Its not about jobs or lack thereof . Its your blatant obsession with Labels and Badges along with a willingness to over pay for them despite the badge/label being meaningless in order to feel … significant . Or perhaps in light of being the over medicated bunch that you are . To simply feel …. anything

          Oh wait . Looking over your posts . Let me guess V . GM [ Brazil perhaps ? ] employee/shill . Right ? Y’all having this tendency to post in exactly the same way

          But hey . Assuming you are GM Brazil . Why don’t you illuminate us as to all the successes and sales GM is NOT having in Brazil . As well as how well Brazil treats its own when it comes to making room for World Cup and Olympic events ! Yeah . Human Rights in Brazil . Almost as big an oxymoron as Human Rights in Russia

          BTW ; In case the monikers slipped over your head . I’ve got more than a few associates and friends down Brazil way [ had a couple of hits there as well ] and can easily call your bluff should you decide to lie

          ——————–

          @ enzl – KIA has been constrained on sales in the US and abroad because to put it quite simply …. Hardly anybody is buying them . Period .

          ———

          • 0 avatar

            The fact that the platform holds no relation to any of the Daewoo cars that came before is the basis of mu comment. Of GM had taken a Nubira and built the Sonic around it, then it’d be a badge engineering exercise. The fact is the platform is new as is the car. The cars that sit on the platform ride well enough and have some of the characteristics of trafitional GM ride and not a traditional korea car ride.

            That’s where we diverge. The rest are just insults I won’t bother to counterpoint.

          • 0 avatar
            CJinSD

            You may want to take a look at the 2009 Daewoo Lacetti and retract what you just wrote Marcelo. That’s what the Cruze was before it was rebadged and introduced to the US Market as a 2011 model.

          • 0 avatar
            gtrslngr

            Marcelo de V

            You really think the platform for the Encore / Trax is in any way shape or form …. new ?

            Uhhhh … not hardly . Not even close to being new . More like stretched and pulled same old same old revisited

            Seriously … all insults aside [ and pardon if some of the previous insults given were undeserved ... theres been a lot of a-holes round here today and I\'m admittedly a bit testy ]

            Where do you get your information from ?

            Certainly nowhere reliable or accurate . That much i can tell you

          • 0 avatar
            gtrslngr

            CJ’s nailed that on the head Marcelo de V !

            Now do a little research and you may just find the Cruze/VOLT/Ampera/ELR aren’t the only GM products based on the Lasceti …. hint hint

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            CJ is right. There were Lacettis running around Metro Detroit with manufacturer’s plates before the Cruze came out. GM didn’t even bother to rebadge them.

          • 0 avatar

            Ok, I’ll give you the Lancetti. True enough. Never drove that one but did drive a Nubira or some other Daewoo and the ride was forgettable. The Cruze rides better than that. So while a Daewoo at heart, the Cruze was still developed directly under GM oversight.

            As to the Sonic, don’t they sit on the revised, expanded and improved Opel Gamma II platform? The Sonic, Brazilian Cobalt certainly don’t drive like a 90s Corsa. Not a GM guy so I don’t really keep up with that. That being said, I never really enjoyed GM cars in Brazil (all based off of Opels). Until recently that is. Now that they’ve been largely developed by GM Korea (with input from diverse GM bodies, GM Brazil seems to have had some input into the Brazilian Cobalt, Spin), I suddenly like them.

            Take that as you will. I know my position is controversial even among Brazilian enthusiasts, but it’s my perception.

            I’ll hold onto it thank you very much, until proven otherwise.

            Could be that that makes unknowledgeable about cars. Or it could be that the cars are better. Fact is I like the new GM cars in Brazil (except for the engines) for the first time in my life. Vis-à-vis the competition, they now offer some advantages. Advantages that I had never perceived in the thorougbred Opel-Brazilian GMs.

    • 0 avatar
      FormerFF

      I’ll be curious how the price on this compares to the new Jeep Renegade. I’d assume that the Renegade will be more biased towards having an offroad capability, and won’t have the level of polish that the HR-V would (I’d expect) have, but given similar pricing I can’t see anyone under the age of 40 or so choosing this over the Renegade. If you put the two of them side by side, I think this will look very generic.

      I can picture a flock of Renegades parked outside the local REI store, the HR-V, not so much.

      • 0 avatar
        bills79jeep

        I do think the Renegade will be a success, but I doubt it will be very close to the HR-V on fuel economy (I assume this is a FWD only CUV?). Trick tranny and transfer case aside, the Renegade is going to be carrying around more running gear. Unless it’s significantly cheaper, that’ll be a tough mountain to climb. Compass and Patriot never sold well and were far cheaper than their competition. The low price never overcame their inefficiency and overall cheapness (the Renegade at least looks like a more well designed and compelling offering).

        My though is that Renegade will have cool factor, the HR-V will have the Honda reliability halo. Which one moves for iron? No idea.

      • 0 avatar

        I know very little about Renegade, but I looked at it theoretically as a replacement for my Wrangler. I found that it basically comes in 2 versions: all the normal trims and Trailhawk. The latter comes with a small factory lift, skid pads, and transfer case (which is all sorts of amazing given the transversial architecture). It still weighs rather modest 3200 lbs, IIRC, however it may be a little wider than HR-V. The 500L platform was widened for 500X. To conclude, Renegade promises to be taller and wider than HR-V, and supports a factory version off-road version. It’s small by Jeep standards. I imagine the two should compete, but I’m not sure how successful non-trailhawk Renegade is going to be.

        BTW, normal trims of Renegade promise to come with removable roof as an option. HR-V is only going to have a sunroof, if that.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          ” I looked at it theoretically as a replacement for my Wrangler.”

          That took guts to admit. I stopped buying Grand Cherokees because I actually wanted a vehicle that was LESS capable then the GC. To want an occasional off-roader doesn’t mean you need a rock-crawler

  • avatar
    philadlj

    Word to any and all automakers wishing to employ “hidden” door handles: Go with a shiny black or body-color trim, rather than flat-black plastic. It’ll look less like shite.

    It’s not rocket science; GM figured it out back in the 90s…then they apparently un-learned it.

  • avatar
    eggsalad

    Let me guess… Just like the CR-V, a clutch will not be available.

  • avatar
    bills79jeep

    Looks like it will be a solid hit for Honda. I imagine there is a significant market looking at the CUV range that can’t stomach the high-20′s starting point for a decently appointed model.

    I think it will cross-shop very well with compacts. Fact or fiction, perception is that CUV’s have more space inside. Come in for a Civic, not much of a stretch to step up to this.

  • avatar
    bryanska

    Ouch at $23k, why NOT buy an Encore? The Buick would be a better vehicle in nearly every category.

    Why pay Buick compact CUV prices for a Honda subcompact CUV experience?

    • 0 avatar
      gtemnykh

      You realize that:

      a) $23k referred to in the article is the starting price of a CRV.

      b) Encore is a subcompact as well, based on the Sonic.

      I hate the sloping roofline on this, but like the idea of a Fit with some more ground clearance. A stick shift FWD model with a short 1st gear in the style of the old Civic Wagon “Super Low” 6spd would be neat-o.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      Starting MSRP is 24,160 for Encore, the “Encore” trim (base?) is currently 24,585, and the “Convenience” trim doesn’t give you much more at $26,210. You have to go to the top “Premium” trim for heated seats at $29,390. Unless Honda is also going to be this stupid with hiding options, I see no reason to buy the Buick.

      http://www.buick.com/encore-luxury-small-crossover/build-your-own.html?x-zipcode=15017

      • 0 avatar
        bryanska

        If we assume the base Fit has the same options as the Base HRV, here’s what that extra $385 for the Buick gets you:

        – USB port, a 6-way power driver’s seat, leather telescoping wheel, steering wheel controls for radio and phone, Apple AND Android smartphone integration, auto-down windows all around, lighted vanity mirrors, 6-speaker audio, roof rails, heated outside mirrors with turn signal repeaters, 4 wheel antilock brakes, a 6 speed auto, 4yr/50k bumper to bumper, 6yr/70k drivetrain, 6 years roadside assistance and finally… active noise cancellation.

        Overall, it’s just a much nicer car. Note that I don’t know what packaging surprised Honda will throw in there.

        FYI, heated sets come with the leather group (#3 of 4), not the premium group (top package of 4).

  • avatar
    davefromcalgary

    Well… I’m totally flabbergasted. This is easily the most handsome vehicle in its class, and even reminds me of the EX35, one of my favorite crossovers.

    Its not easy to work within the proportional restraints of the class, but Honda hit this one out of the park. I find the CR-V exceedingly bland, but this I like.

  • avatar

    The looks are great in pictures. Fit matches my needs and budget better (I paid $16k for a 2013), but this looks fine indeed.

    BTW, I don’t like oversized wheels. My jeep has 35″, which are sufficient for fairly decent off-roading out in the real world. That is far too much for a road car. I thought CR-V’s wheels were too big in this generation. HR-V seems reasonable at least, although looks are often deceptive. I still remember how autojournos (plural) compared Ford Flex to Scion xB because they had “same basic shape”, apparently being deceived by lack of scale in photographs.

  • avatar
    Kenmore

    I’m *so* seeing our ’08 Rio5 with wrinkles. Doesn’t appear anywhere near as tall and useful, especially in back, as the Soul.

  • avatar
    gtrslngr

    BTW – For future reference should any other wingnut bring the Buick Encore as a possible competitor to the HR-V back into the discussion . Having strolled across the net … the average Retail price of an Encore is ;

    $29,000

    Average ! Prices going as high in some markets as $35,000 +

    So rest easy . Once again the Honda HR-Vs sales success is all but guaranteed

    • 0 avatar
      bryanska

      So the average price of a mix of trims is higher than the starting price?

    • 0 avatar
      Zykotec

      That is CRV EX-L (fully loaded) kinda money (you can barely kit the CRV above 35k unless you really want absolutely everything). Which also explains why the CRV sells so well, considering it’s also better (and bigger) at almost everything, except maybe being ‘cool’ or interesting.
      If the price difference between a Civic and CRV is anything to go by (which it probably isn’t since I think the HRV will stay closer to the Fit) the HRV prices should start at around 20k ($19.995?), depending on what they add as standard equipment.
      Hopefully it will be possible to option it up a bit.

    • 0 avatar
      APaGttH

      Yes – at over $35K in some markets by YOUR numbers that means the Encore is commanding prices above MSRP. Oh pity the poor Encore.

      (link please to $35K ATP in market please)

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      No, you’re wrong. I priced an Encore with every available option and I couldn’t get it over $32K. If you’re going to be the auto-antichrist at least come to the battle armed

  • avatar
    jrasero23

    While I like the size and price and I think Honda is correctly attacking the right segment the from looks like a bad older gen Hyundai. I just don’t get this style wise, heck even the Nissan Juke and Buick Encore look far more superior.

    The second gen or refresh can’t come quick enough for me, but I guess beauty is in the eyes of the beholder


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