By on January 22, 2014

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Eagled eyed twitter used Clifford Attiyeh snapped this pic of the reskinned 2015 Lincoln Navigator, complete with Lincoln’s new corporate grille. Powertrain options are expected to be revised as well, with a 3.5L Ecoboost V6 appearing as the lone engine choice.

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161 Comments on “2015 Lincoln Navigator Revealed...”


  • avatar
    gforce2002

    It’s certainly, um.. bold.

    • 0 avatar

      My uncle has the current Navigator. It’s ugly as sin. this looks slightly more elegant – but still ridiculous in its own way.

      Who is the person they’re getting their styling from???

      H.R. GIGER?

      • 0 avatar
        56BelAire

        Kinda looks like a 15 year old Expedition.

      • 0 avatar
        Kyree S. Williams

        Actually, the current one isn’t so bad. It isn’t competitive *at all* and I would only consider one if I could get it for under $12K with reasonable miles….but unlike this new design, the current one doesn’t sear my eyeballs…

        • 0 avatar

          Dropping the V8 was STUPID. It was able use regular unleaded. To now have to put Premium in for the EGOboost V6 is silly.

          Coulda just put in a Diesel. No one is racing this monstrosity.

          Get yourself a Dodge Durango Citadel or a JEEP SRT.

          • 0 avatar
            danio3834

            You would think that there would be a choice between the 5.0L and 3.5L. Not everyone is sold on the GTDI stuff.

          • 0 avatar
            Kyree S. Williams

            I agree with you both; I’d rather have the 5.0-liter Coyote and leave the EcoBoost to iron itself out for a few more years…not that I’d buy this insult-to-design anyway…

          • 0 avatar
            Richard Chen

            Lincoln brings a V6 to a V8 fight. For what, seppuku?

            This reminds me about Saab taking flack for having turbo I4′s in a V6 segment. Saab bit the dust, and now its competitors all have turbo I4′s.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            You have a choice between the 5.0 and 3.5. Pick the Expidition or Navigator. Its not ideal, but its the choice that exists.

          • 0 avatar
            danio3834

            ” You have a choice between the 5.0 and 3.5. Pick the Expidition or Navigator. Its not ideal, but its the choice that exists.”

            Is this confirmed? I’ve been out of the Ford game for a while.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            All but officially confirmed. I’ve been told the Expedition will get the 5.0L and will have “a V6 engine”. I don’t know if that’s the 3.7L or The 3.5EB.

          • 0 avatar
            ellomdian

            Every time BigTruck blasts Ford with the ‘EgoBoost’ line (hur durr) and then shills for a Dodge product, the Governor of New Jersey comes up with a new excuse for something… If you are buying a New Navigator, you DO NOT CARE about the difference in cost at the pump. Using the V6t allows them to distribute the dev cost on the engine across another line, and lets be real, the only people who will care about an Unleaded V8 in their Ford in 2-3 years are Mustang fans, and they are the same idiots that have stalled an IRS for 20 years.

            A diesel would be nice, but the Real Ex- Wives of the Shore who drive these don’t really know what a green pump does. Hell, look at Audi’s last campaign to yuppie-itize diesel here.

            Having said that, this thing is ugly. And I voluntarily drive a pre-facelift Banglebutt 6-series.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            ellomdian-

            It does have an ugly face, and I drive a pre facelifted MKT….

          • 0 avatar

            Ellomdian

            Sorry bro: looks like the Egoboost engine (derp) looses this one.

            Lets just sit back and watch sales of the Escalade vs. Navigator.

            Lets see which one sells better.

            The cheaper Navigator should sell more RIGHT???

            Since RICH PEOPLE are so worried about gas mileage RIGHT?

            Since the TWO TURBOS make more sense than TWO CYLINDERS RIIIIIGHT?

            Here’s a question bro… How are the current Escalade and Navigator selling in comparison to each other????????

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            BTSR-

            You dismissed your initial point in your own post. The current Navigator doesn’t come close to Escalade sales and it has a V8. The Navigator won’t outsell the Escalade because Ford has let it rot on the vine for twelve years. The GMT-SUVs have had two complete redesigns since Ford last built a U3XX from the ground up. Thats why they don’t sell in the same volumes, not the EcoBoost V6.

        • 0 avatar
          Spartan

          Drive an F-150 with the 3.5L EcoBoost then the 5.0L back to back. I did and the choice is clear. The EcoBoost is a better motor. I have the EB 3.5L in my wife’s Taurus SHO and my F-150. The former has 60,000 miles now and zero issues.

          Reliability isn’t an issue with these motors. I’ve yet to see why people keep bringing it up like EB motors are exploding on a daily basis. Couldn’t be further from the truth.

          • 0 avatar

            The Navigator is heavier than the F150.
            The Navigator hauls more people and cargo than an F150.
            The Navigator had a better deal in the last V8.

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            Competition to competition,
            Escalade vs navigator
            3.5l TT vs 6.2l NA
            Similar power slight advantage for NA
            Fuel mileage also similar 6.2l gets 1 less mpg
            Body style, handily won by escalade
            Navigator outdated

            Why choose two turbos over two cyclinders when there’s no advantageous reason to do so?
            It’s hard to make an argument two turbos are more reliable than two cyclinders.
            Especially when you have such weight that the vehicle needs 8 cyclinders.

          • 0 avatar
            Kyree S. Williams

            Well, some of us are still a bit weary of turbocharged motors in general. But more than that, the people in this luxury, full-sized-SUV segment have no qualms about paying to fill up and maintain V8 engines—as evidenced by the fact that every other vehicle in the segment, save for the GL350 Diesel, is V8-powered—so why neuter your product further by failing to offer one at all?

          • 0 avatar
            ponchoman49

            Interesting. The last car auction I attended saw several 50-60k mile F-150′s with the Ecoboost motors and prospective buyers were avoiding them like the plague. I know two owners that needed engine replacements thankfully during warranty and numerous drive-ability quirks. The latter does seem to have been worked out related to condensation.

  • avatar
    Mike N.

    Wow, I can’t believe I am going to say that I prefer the baleen whale grill.

  • avatar
    Lie2me

    I didn’t know they still made Navigators, can’t remember the last time I saw one

  • avatar
    Hummer

    Anddddd… The Escalades safe for another 6 years.

    At least until ford figures out how to build a decent SUV besides the excursion.

  • avatar
    TheEndlessEnigma

    It’s grimacing………

  • avatar
    OldandSlow

    Sorry folks – but there is not enough Bling on that split grille for me.

  • avatar
    TheEndlessEnigma

    And another thing. What designer steps back, looks at this…um…creation and thinks, “Perfect! Done!”?

    • 0 avatar
      bball40dtw

      A plastic surgeon that can’t stop. One more nip or tuck.

    • 0 avatar
      Nick

      I hear LSD is making a comeback.

    • 0 avatar
      gmichaelj

      Indeed, What Designer says “Done?” But also how many Executives say “Good”, or “I like it” to something that hideous?

    • 0 avatar
      tremorcontrol

      This looks like classic design by committee or more likely design where some “exec” thinks something looks cool and his opinion floats to the top… (I can think of other things that float…)

      • 0 avatar
        Brian P

        “Hey you, young designer, here is your assignment. Make this – points to corporate grill design – fit that – points to old Navigator – but you’re not allowed to change anything past here – the A pillar – and you’re not allowed to change anything under the skin, because there’s no budget for re-engineering the bodyshell.”

        few weeks later … project done. Design review.

        Was the original design criteria fulfilled? -> Yes.

        OK, I guess we’re done here. Approved.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          I think this conversation took place at GM in 1980 too:

          “Hey you, young designer, here is your assignment. Make this – points to [sketch of the Cimmaron] – fit that – points to old [Cavalier] – but you’re not allowed to change anything past here – the A pillar – and you’re not allowed to change anything under the skin, because there’s no budget for re-engineering the bodyshell.”

  • avatar

    Wow they managed to make it even UGLIER than before. Sad too, I like the interior of it, but my god that is hideous.

  • avatar
    brn

    One thing I’ve learned about recent Lincoln grills is that while they initially throw me off guard, but they eventually grow on me. If you look at the grill on a 3-4 year old Lincoln, it doesn’t seem so absurd.

  • avatar
    Lie2me

    Doesn’t matter what they look like, no one’s going to buy it anyway. I live three blocks from a sorta Lincoln dealer, I haven’t seen a new Navigator sitting out front in over a year

  • avatar
    Conslaw

    +1 to all of the above. We’re going to have to call in Farago for a special metaphor for this one.

  • avatar
    Steven Lang

    The Lincoln just got braces…

  • avatar
    86er

    Hmm. Well someone buys those Infiniti things. It’ll be suitably brash for those who like that.

    Also: 6.2L or bust.

  • avatar
    SteelyMoose

    Threw. Up. In. Mouth.

  • avatar
    racer-esq.

    The hood being popped makes it look even worse than it should.

    It has been at least a decade since I’ve seen a Navigator without livery plates.

    Most of the Ford side of the livery market seems to be switching to the MKT Town Car, but maybe they will reconsider the Navigator with gas cheap.

    Does no Expedition refresh mean that the Ford version is dead?

    • 0 avatar
      bball40dtw

      The Expedition will be getting a refresh too. I think it gets the Coyote.

      • 0 avatar
        segfault

        Is a refresh really enough? How long have they been using the current platform? It looks like all of the hard points are the same as the old model.

        The GM models are all new for 2015, and the Durango/JGC were recently redesigned, as well.

        • 0 avatar
          Kyree S. Williams

          Not only is this the same platform, it’s the same exact body-shell. My guess, now that I think about it, is that it was of minimal cost to update the car with current styling and corporate parts (like MyFord Touch, the dual-display IP, and the new powertrains)…and that however few—and believe me, it will be few—people buy this car, Ford will make a sizeable profit on each one, probably five figures. All of the expensive parts, like safety equipment and the “hard points” is already there and has already paid for itself. But, geez, would it have killed them to make it actually look *nice*?

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            That’s what I was thinking, it doesn’t really look THAT different. It’s like 19% different than the old one.

          • 0 avatar
            Kyree S. Williams

            Right. Just as with the 2013 Taurus, MKT and basically the MKX, I’d really call it a facelift. This “new” Navigator is hardly different than what happened to updated-for-2014 Regal featured in today’s TTAC newsfeed: new powertrain(s), new electronics, new interior, revised facial features…same car.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @Kyree:

            Right, but the Regal was a new model in 2010, while the Navigator has been using the same basic design since 2002. Big difference!

            Meanwhile, the Navigator sells for upwards of $70,000. Actually, to be more accurate, the Navigator DOESN’T sell. And I don’t see them selling more of them based on this stale design, especially when Caddy has a brand-new Escalade coming out.

          • 0 avatar
            Kyree S. Williams

            @FreedMike

            I absolutely agree with you. My point is that a lot of Ford’s “redesigned” cars have essentially been extensive facelifts. This is the first time that Ford has used a specific body-shell three times in a row, but it’s the same basic principle. Ford, and the other automakers who do this, shouldn’t be calling these cars redesigns, though. I also think the GM Lambdas—which are just about the only GM cars that don’t support the new Global-A electronics architecture—are in the same boat as this Navigator, but at least they are good-looking and actually have some reason to exist.

  • avatar
    Nick

    Be serious.

  • avatar
    carlisimo

    Well, it’s ugly. But will it be any good? The last time I sat in one, I felt cramped – and I’m short for a guy! The floor was ridiculously high.

  • avatar
    Joe McKinney

    It would look better without the extra, body colored “bumper” at the bottom of the front facia. Remove this and the vehicle looks lower and wider. That said, I imagine this detail was added to make the vehicle look taller and more massive which is the current fad.

  • avatar
    luvmyv8

    Ummmmm….. yeah. I don’t know about this one……

  • avatar

    It kinda looks like a dinosaur, which is pretty apt given that this is Lincoln that we’re talking about here.

  • avatar
    Hank

    I don’t know, I think I’m going to reserve judgment until I see the big picture. Every now and then a car looks terrible in shots like this, then is actually a looker in the metal.

  • avatar
    mkirk

    I’ll have to see the rest of it.

  • avatar
    Z71_Silvy

    The words vile, disgusting, hideous, offensive, etc do not go nearly far enough to describe how awful this mutated wart really is.

    Seems the quality of Max’s work has taken a significant turn for the worst since he joined Ford. His portfolio better just say “redacted” from the years he is with Ford because everything so far is a very good reason to pass him over for the 8 year old who can barely color inside the lines.

    Further proof Ford really wants Lincoln to die.

    • 0 avatar
      bomberpete

      I won’t take a Lincoln renaissance seriously until a Lincoln Continental concept on the new IRS Mustang platform with center-pull doors hits the shows, looking like it’s nearly production-ready.

      What’s scary about this half-hearted reskin is that I really think Ford DOESN’T want Lincoln to die. Fields and Farley are nominally in charge of this rescue mission. Presumably they want to do the best job possible. Otherwise, don’t you think a lesser Ford exec would have a samurai sword handy such a thankless job?

      With that waterfall grill, I think it looks like an enlarged 1999 Oldsmobile Bravada. To me it’s not any more offensive than a ‘Sclade, but hardly something that will move the meter.

      • 0 avatar
        bball40dtw

        The turnaround is in small steps and on a budget.

        Here’s the order so far:

        Facelift everything but Navigator
        New MKZ
        Add MKC
        Facelift Navigator

        After those steps, we are into a new MKX, a new MKS, possibly killing the MKT or making it more Explorer-like, new Navigator, and hopefully something Mustang based. Who knows what this will specifically look like, but there is at least a plan. Lincoln doesn’t have the budget to do two clean sheet vehicles every year right now.

  • avatar
    99_XC600

    Designed by Stevie Wonder and fabricated by Stephen Hawking.

    I haven’t seen something so disturbing since I watched 10 seconds of the Ron Jeremy “Wrecking Ball” parody.

  • avatar

    Introducing the all-new 2015 Lincoln Navigator. Malaise is back in style.

  • avatar
    davefromcalgary

    Sadly, to my eye its better than the Cherokee.

  • avatar
    aTelecine

    What little can be seen is 31 flavors of ugly in my opinion. I am happy too see so many others here tend to agree. Yikes!.

    I understand there is a limited market for these sort of vehicles in today’s market but that should not mean Ford/Lincoln should settle for whatever sort of more even more “Transformer” like designs with each iteration.

    The upshot is it seems this new model “design” will be relatively easier to avoid in traffic… One can simply not miss something so garishly big and quite frankly just plain inelegantly designed weaving along the road often dangerously.

  • avatar
    Ryoku75

    The new Oldsmobile’s are in early this year!

  • avatar
    Lou_BC

    I’m sure it has a nice personality.

  • avatar
    Kyree S. Williams

    My God…it’s as though Lincoln’s entire raison d’être is to actively sabotage the triumphs of the Ford brand. Nowhere else do you see a luxury brand that is several times less desirable than its plebeian counterpart. Sheesh…

  • avatar

    What’s a matador?

  • avatar

    I like the grill itself but it looks bad w the lights. I’m also not sure what the bottom chrome is doing.

  • avatar
    prndlol

    See you’re looking at it wrong. The headlights are its eyes, and the lower intake is the mouth. The sides of the grill is are nostrils, and now you see, yes you can see it now can’t you… it’s super cute!

  • avatar
    RHD

    It’s looking in the mirror, like a middle-aged former Hollywood starlet as the tape and gauze are removed from its face. “Oh, my God”, it says, horrified and dumbfounded, “they REALLY screwed up my plastic surgery!”

  • avatar
    amca

    Forget the styling.

    You boys realize this thing’s made of aluminum? It’ll weigh substantially less than its predecessor. It’ll weigh a good bet less than an Escalade.

    That gives it a technological edge that may, just may give it a leg up against its Cadillac and Lexus competitors.

    This may actually mark a nice revival for the ol’ Navigator.

    • 0 avatar
      Z71_Silvy

      It’s not made of aluminium…thank God.

      Not only would it look like a mutated wart, it would have a corroding body with flaking paint.

      • 0 avatar
        caltemus

        How do you know it’s not made of aluminium. Also, what evidence do you have to prove that aluminium bodies corrode…

        • 0 avatar
          bball40dtw

          The 2015 Navigator and Expedition are not aluminium bodied vehicles like the 2015 F150.

        • 0 avatar
          danio3834

          I have a lot of experience in the field. Aluminum poses a number of corrosion related challenges because it is more reactive than steel, especially in environments with strong electrolytes like road salt at water. Substantial additional considerations for good paint adhesion and prevention of galvanic corrosion must be made as well.

          Many vehicles that have extensively used aluminum in the past have had corrosion and paint adhesion issues in corrosive environments, notably many Ford models. I’m sure Ford worked hard to address these issues with the new F-150, but some apprehension is justified.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      The new F-150 is being made of aluminum. As far as anyone knows, this isn’t based on the new F-150. Based on the styling, I’d say it’s based on the old platform.

      If you have confirmation to the contrary, please share it.

  • avatar
    DerekB

    http://i.imgur.com/KXs6mHl.jpg

  • avatar
    crtfour

    The new Escalade is going to sell very well.

  • avatar
    azmtbkr81

    The wheels look like they were lifted from Don Magic Juan’s Bentley and the front looks like the face of a nauseous Boston terrier.

  • avatar
    iNeon

    LOL @ “reskinned”

    This car has in no way been reskinned.

  • avatar
    danio3834

    So Lincoln’s big news is they re-skinned the Navigator at the same time the first pics of the new, very large, very RWD Cadillac flagship emerge onto the internet.

    C’mon Lincoln, get in the game.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      I don’t even think I’d go so far as to call it “reskinned” – looks to me like we have nothing more than front and rear end styling and a warmed-over interior. The rest of it looks to be identical to the circa-2003 platform. Unless I’m mistaken, and I don’t think I am…

      Hopefully they have a new model out soon based on the new F-150 platform. That one could be a winner. This looks to be a placeholder.

  • avatar
    Kyree S. Williams

    Also, I just can’t believe that Ford would use that bodyshell a third time in a row. It’s dated, (having been around since MY2003), and it needs to go.

    • 0 avatar
      racer-esq.

      It’s almost like they are trying to make it easy on the livery companies. “Don’t worry about buying new, just order a new hood, lights and bumper cover.” (I don’t think even the fenders changed.)

  • avatar

    Way to give up and mail it in, Lincoln. *throws her hands in the air*

  • avatar
    Kyree S. Williams

    This is the most warmed-over “redesign” I’ve seen in a long time (they couldn’t be bothered to so much as offer a new steering wheel), and it absolutely pales in comparison to the new Escalade. And why have they got an elongated license plate cutout…like they actually expect to sell any of these gargantuan eye-sores overseas. After at least five years of irrelevance for the Expedition/Navigator twins, I expected a knockout or at least a solid effort. But this? This is inexcusable. Ugly as sin from every angle and apart from its predecessor only as far as the current corporate interfaces that it is chock full of, killing the nameplate altogether would have been less disgraceful. It’s clear that Lincoln wants the Navigator to remain the most unappealing full-sized luxury SUV on the market…well behind the Escalade, GL-Class, LR4, LX 570 and QX80. What a major, major disappointment. And I am almost *never* this strongly-opposed to a car design, so there’s that…

  • avatar
    Illan

    SO… in 98 Lincoln started the american Luxury SUV. and nailed it
    in 99 the cadillac escalade was a badge engineered yucon denali to respond.

    here is my view:

    2003 Navigator was Introduced- looked sharp and very nice
    2003 Escalade was Launched. Very Nice

    2007 Navigator Launched- who designed this?? and more importantly: Who Approved This???

    2007 Escalade- Looked Sharp, Very nice.

    2014 Escalade – Looking sharp and very very nice?
    2014 Navigator- nice interior, ecoboost only?? who designed this?? and more importantly: Who Approved This???

    I was hoping for a lincoln revival, looks like it wont happen :(

    • 0 avatar
      Kyree S. Williams

      My thoughts exactly; Ford has let the Escalade completely surpass the Navigator. Up until it was first released, the only real luxury SUVs were the Range Rover, Land Cruiser and LX 450, and none of them were particularly suited for family duties. GM did indeed scramble to clad a Tahoe with color-keyed decorations and slap a Cadillac badge on it. The second generations of both cars were about even with one another, but since then, it’s as though Ford no longer cared. And that goes for the Tahoe/Yukon versus the Expedition, too….

    • 0 avatar
      bball40dtw

      Its been clear for at least a year that the Expedition and Navigator were going to get a mild refresh for the 2015 models. They will finally catch up with the F150 in three years. Ford prioritized the F150 and SuperDuty for this year. It is what it is. I personally don’t like the front clip, but the interior is finally better.

      This is nothing but a band aid (or a store brand fabic wound strip).

  • avatar
    MoDo

    What a mess! It looks like the designer got inspiration from the 2014 Durango for the back. and a french brothel for the front.

  • avatar
    kmoney

    Though this interior looks a lot better than the old one, it’s still nowhere near as nice as the one in the new Escalade. Those heater vent grills look like they would break off in your hand. Also, shouldn’t the wood on the steering wheel be the same colour as the wood on other areas.

  • avatar
    Phillip Thomas

    Look at that lower grille.

    It’s visibly sad to be here.

  • avatar
    Big Al from Oz

    Ford can design the Everest in my link, so it can design very good looking SUVs. From what I’ve read it will come about.

    Ford obviously has done research for the Lincoln. I hope the new F-150 was researched better than this. This Lincoln was obviously designed for tasteless people.

    The divided front grille looks more like a backyard engineering solution to add strength.

    Ford should be ashamed. Maybe the an intern designer from Mahindra is employed by Ford.

    http://www.caradvice.com.au/246126/ford-everest-concept-revealed/

  • avatar
    Dave M.

    HUGE improvement looks wise. But it’s still too big and the interior design looks antiquated, although the monied rancher subset may not think so. I think the Escalade will trounce it 3:1 easily.

  • avatar
    Hummer

    Hah, the egoboost is expected as the only engine?

    They must be trying to kill Lincoln, next they’ll be telling us to look at how poorly its doing to show us the justification of killing it.

    Keep your V6 “luxury”, caddy has a V8 luxury truck with a SRA across the road.

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    Lol the back looks like it has a unibrow!

  • avatar
    mjz

    Oldsmobile front. Durango rear. Dated Lincoln in between.

  • avatar
    caltemus

    I guess I’m the only one but I actually like this design. It’s distinctive, and definitely a Lincoln. Definitely more unique to Lincoln than the last design was.

    • 0 avatar
      bball40dtw

      My issue is that the Navigator should be the flagship and style leader for Lincoln. Either don’t give it the corporate grille, becuase Ford doesn’t with the F-series or Expedition, or make it the basis for what you are trying to do as a company.

      Just steal as many design cues from the Range Rover as possible and build it on a the F150 frame.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      There’s nothing WRONG with the design per se – it’s just that the basic platform was brought out in 2002. The Escalade had TWO clean-sheet redesigns since then.

      If Ford wants to be relevant in this segment, it had better bring out an all-new model…soon.

      • 0 avatar
        bball40dtw

        Its going to take a few years. I understand the issues with the Navi/Expedition quite well. I don’t hate the new look, but it should still be the style leader for the brand, not a follower.

    • 0 avatar

      I don’t think it looks bad, but it’s very half-assed and compares poorly to the new Escalade.

  • avatar
    ponchoman49

    So basically what they did was change the front grille and frontal area and remove the side lower chrome molding. Even the interior looks much the same in it’s blocky 90′s way.

  • avatar
    jacob_coulter

    Dumb move to drop the V8, but I’ve thought the Navigator’s jumped the shark a long time ago.

    I actually like the styling though.

  • avatar
    dabossinne

    In keeping with its “M”-based three letter model designations and the essence of this vehicle, Lincoln should rename it “MEH”.

  • avatar
    Zykotec

    I actually like the front end…too bad it’s sitting on what looks like a late 90s box. If Infinity and Lexus can sell SUV’s I don’t think looks matter at all.

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Is Ford just giving up on this segment? I’m no fan of this type of vehicle, but…ten year old design, no V-8, mildly warmed over interior? It’s clearly, obviously, completely outclassed by the new Escalade.

    Then again, the current one was clearly, obviously, completely outclassed by the current Escalade.

    Perhaps Lincoln’s looking for continuity.

    • 0 avatar
      bball40dtw

      Ford is just paying lip service to this segment until they get the first all new Navigator and Expedition, in basically 15 years, done. Its cheaper than discontinuing the models and then bringing them back. They will sell enough U3XXs to justify the continued existence of these models. They’ll get the 10 speed in these rigs hopefully before the all new model.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        Wouldn’t disagree…just seems like a step backwards for a brand that doesn’t need any more of that.

        I don’t understand why the Navigator and Expedition have been around, with no basic changes, for so long. It’s as if they just gave up this segment to GM, which has brought out two clean-sheet redesigns of the Yukon/Tahoe/Escalade in the same time frame. This segment should be a cash cow for Ford, and I don’t understand why it operates this way, given its’ obvious expertise in making trucks.

        • 0 avatar
          bball40dtw

          The decision was made not to do a clean sheet redesign after the last gen (12th generation) F-series came out. That looks like the wrong decsion now. Based on what was going on in the 2008-10 time period, everyone was just trying to hang on. It doesn’t appear that those two products were a financial priority for Ford. They both make money and have low costs.

          The other issue is that Ford lost quite a few engineers, and other employees, during The Way Forward. The F-series got done, but they have been spread thin. Bad choices plus staffing problems has taken them from a position of strength to a position of weakness.

  • avatar
    mars3941

    Don’t you people who continue to bad mouth all Lincoln vehicles realize that the designers, engineers, styling studio’s do research before spending 100′s of million’s of dollars prior to bringing out a new model? It’s apparent a lot of negative readers want Lincoln to fail especially the idiots who patronize this website. The MKZ you have continued to bad mouth since it was introduced but everyone who looks at mine raves about the car and even more so after they ride in it. Oh by the way my gas filler door works perfectly and opens and closes as it should. What problems have I had well close your eyes, and what do you see? Nothing or none whatsoever. As for the new Navigator I personally like it even though this class or type of vehicle is something I wouldn’t buy. Not into large SUV’s.

    • 0 avatar
      CoreyDL

      Ever consider people don’t want to hurt your feelings as you preen over your overpriced Fusion?

    • 0 avatar
      Zykotec

      I think most people realize that. A lot of them can also tell where the beancounters have tried to force them to cut corners. As someone who works at a factory that is infected by beancounters, I know how useless it is to talk sense to them, and try to make them think further than three months ahead. I wish Lincoln (and Cadillac too) could get the budget needed to make real standalone models that stick even more out of the crowd that they do now. They would be more expensive to buy offcourse, but I don’t think most luxury car buyers like to brag about getting most power or gadgets for their money as much as knowing that their car is ‘better’ than their neighbours car.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Bad-mouthing Lincoln? Really? This is a warmed-over version of the same design that’s been on the market for over 10 years, and the current one is a sales bomb. Oh, and yeah, they’re going to try and sell it for $70,000 with a straight face.

      They’re bad mouthing themselves a lot more effectively than anyone else could.

    • 0 avatar
      bball40dtw

      The ass of the MKZ makes me forget about some of its other shortcomings.

    • 0 avatar
      Hummer

      Lincoln’s offering would be fine… For a Chinese entry brand.
      They cannot compete with their closest competitor cadillac, the MKZ is a disaster compared to the CTS, at least I get RWD and although its not their ATM, at least I could get a V8 in a supposed luxury car.

      Lincoln tries to pawn off a 4 cyclinder a luxury.

      This Lincoln would be a success if priced appropriately to what it’s worth. Hint < 40k

      • 0 avatar
        bball40dtw

        Everyone pawns a 4 banger off as luxury now. Whats the standard engine in the ATS, CTS, 5-series, 3-series, or C-Class. I’m sure the E-Class will eventuall come standard with a turbo four as well.

        • 0 avatar
          Hummer

          Difference is Lincoln pawns the 4 cyc as the “better engine”
          Caddy put the ZR1 engine in the CTS

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            It does no such thing. The MKZs top engine is the 3.7L (I can’t believe I’m defending the MKZ), and as of today, that is the only Lincoln that you can purchase with a four cylinder. Caddy may put the ZR1 engine in the CTS, but no one cares but enthusiasts. The last CTS was dog$hit besides the engine.

            The bulk of CTS/ATS sales are 4 cylinder engines. You can even get a non-turbo Verano engine in the ATS. While I agree that Lincoln needs a RWD car with a V8 or the 3.5EB, Lincoln more importantly needs to move units. A Coyote MKZ is going to have sweet volumes like the CTS-V wagon. I think both the ATS and CTS are better vehicles in the track and auto magazines than the MKZ, but the Fusion Titanium is easier to live with and looks better than all three.

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    carguy

    Did they license the grille design from Mitsubishi?

    How can Ford call this all new when it looks like a minor refresh of something that looked outdated 10 years ago?

  • avatar
    Mandalorian

    The exterior looks good, actually. The interior however, I hate that 1 gauge dash, just dumb. Also, why not put a column shifter in to free up center console space, Ford could easily pull one from the F150 parts bin and wrap some leather on it.

    • 0 avatar
      gtemnykh

      Agreed in full. Call my crazy but I like the way this looks. The front headlight/grill interface has a bit of VW Passat to it, in a good way. Full width tail lights have always been a Lincoln thing since forever, I like the consistency there. Conservative blocky shape with a good amount of glass (which gives away its 2003 roots). I HATE big center consoles, they serve absolutely no purpose. Don’t any of these designers take long road trips with their girlfriends/wives? ;)

  • avatar
    forzablu

    I don’t think this is so terrible, especially if the interior is up to snuff. Sure its disappointing that it comes off as a half-assed refresh; but I would bet good money that Ford/Lincoln will still make their nut on the Navigator. It would be nice however to see them at least offer the 5.0 or 6.2 in the Navigator — but w/ Ford’s being premium-priced now w/ the interior to match-up, I’m sure the Navigator buyers that really wanted V8 towing capacity would be ok w/ a top trim level Expedition — or they will just end up in an Escalade/Denali.

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    crtfour

    I know only one Navigator owner and he is a die hard Ford guy who wouldn’t even consider one of the competitor’s equivelants. Other than people like this guy and maybe livery companies, I don’t see why someone would actually choose this over something else.

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    Chocolatedeath

    All I ask is that you dont delete my post cause I am going to curse alot. Lincoln wasnt kidding when it said it would use the same grill on any of the cars and that they would all be different. DAMN…..As a Lincoln fan I am disgusted. This is the singularly ugliest full size SUV on the market not just right not but to date. This is far uglier than the MK/Flex thing. I have tried to defend them against you guys for the last four years (varies names). I give the fuck up. I am currently driving a Cx9 and even though I love I was looking forward to getting a new car from Lincoln in the next two years. Something luxurious, beautiful, fast and distinctive. You Lincnoln have just let me know that you dont give a fuck about me even after I have stood by your side for so long. My first car was a 89 Continental. Even though it floated like a boat it was big and comfy and all it needed was sharper steering and less float and I loved the rest. I hadnt made up my mind exactly what I was going to get I just knew it was going to be by Lincoln. Just got another job making nearly twice what I am making now (start in four weeks)and after I set up a better retirement and savings plan, Lincoln was in my sights. Fuck you Lincoln, you have finally just destroyed my childhood dream. Hello Audi, that CPO A6,,A7A8,Q7 are looking really good right now, repair issues and all. Ford do everyone a favor and close that shit for products shop now. Its what you obviously were planning to do all along.

    • 0 avatar
      Kyree S. Williams

      And as a matter of fact, it seems like Audi’s reliability ratings are on the up, especially on the A6, A7 and A8 (the Q7 uses an older electronics and structural architecture and needs to be redesigned *pronto*, like its Touareg and Cayenne platform-sisters…)

    • 0 avatar
      Nick

      Holy merde! It’s even hideous from the back.

      I wonder if it comes with a secret compartment to store the intended audience’s unregistered firearms, contraband, and a leatherbound folder for their rap sheet?

  • avatar
    philadlj

    I guess Linc didn’t get the memo about glossy wood trim no longer being the vogue. But then that makes sense, as this missed the NAIAS.

  • avatar

    My eyes are hurting.

  • avatar
    bball40dtw

    I’ll see one in the flesh and up close tomorrow. We’ll see if its better or worse than the pictures.


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