By on March 26, 2013

The General giveth and The General Taketh Away. The 2014 Buick Regal Turbo and Regal GS will now get all-wheel drive as an option, with the ability to send up to 90 percent of the engine’s power to the rear wheels. But both the Turbo and the GS will get the same engine, a 259 horsepower, 295 lb-ft 2.0T 4-cylinder. Only the GS model will get a 6-speed manual.

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  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    Super, but I will never consider it until there is a V6 option.

    • 0 avatar
      krhodes1

      Why, so you can have worse gas mileage around town and worse performance on the open road? The worst of both worlds, yeah! Added road-hugging weight IS a Buick tradition I suppose.

      I happily drove a Saab 9-3SC with the 210hp version of this engine for two years, it was superb. Swift and very economical.

      Is it just me or does it look one heck of a lot like an Oldsmobile Alero now?

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        Verano supports proper gas mileage, Regal should be about fun. Pointless to have two small cars which similar aims IMO, and Regal is small if you haven’t seen one close up give one a look. While Regal has some options Verano lacks, what percentage of cars have sticks or turbos vs base or LT trim? The Buick lineup overlaps too much.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          BTW checking out leases today, called on Verano… the Buick dealer is offering no money down $225 + 10% payment tax for everyone and $186 + 10% payment tax for existing lessees (no conquest crap, no loyalty, just current lessees or for those in your household). I told them a base Verano for roughly $200 out the door, no money down, was somewhat attractive, but at $247 there was no way since I could lease the Civic clone ILX for $40 dollars more inc tax out the door and get better standard features. Its a pity because I would be very happy in my V6 Grand Am for $248/month ten years ago again, but well now we’re in a brave new world.

          • 0 avatar
            NormSV650

            The $39.00 lease difference includes the $1,000 GM Conquest. You keep your current lease in the process.

            The Turbo Verano will run rings around the Grand Am, V6 or Quad4. They are $3,000 off with incentives for a 2013 Verano Turbo or about $26,000 starting out.

          • 0 avatar
            APaGttH

            There is $3000 on the hood of a Verano???

            The GM site says $500.

            I’m not asking to be a smart arse but if there is $3K on the hood for a Verano turbo I’m going to a Buick dealer Saturday to play lets make a deal.

          • 0 avatar

            better yet, I can put one in your driveway Saturday while you relax. what time works best?

          • 0 avatar
            NormSV650

            @APaGttH

            Opps! $3,000 off 2012. 2013 is when the Turbo version came out.

            http://www.buickforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30333

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          Ah good point NormSV650, but I’m not looking to play boy racer in a turbo anything. I want boring comfort with faux sport styling, plenty of torque, 87 octane, and reliability to boot. No its not a W/N platform thing, its just what GM gave you since at least the 90s. I’d settle for Verano simply because I like/liked Buick, its smaller and I don’t need another W-body sized car, but I don’t think its so wonderful I’m going to bend over on the payment.

    • 0 avatar
      IronEagle

      Cool good to see the T get a power increase. Our 2011 T is under powered and we should have gotten a Charger R/T. Wouldn’t have even considered this ride except for the awesome lease deals Buick was offering.

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    Good to see the rear end from the 5-Series grafted on.

    Also, Buick’s obsession with huge chrome wheels needs to stop. It’s not 2004.

    • 0 avatar
      Zackman

      I LOVE chrome anything, but 7 spokes and only 5 lugs? Are you kidding? That’s as bad as the 3-spoke wheels Grand Prix used to have.

      ONE SPOKE PER LUG, designers, thank you very much…

      Chromed 5 spoke wheels would be perfect, DEPENDING on the color. Brushed and/or painted like on my Impala looks good, too.

      • 0 avatar
        Easton

        What an odd thing to criticize. Given the Regal likely shares wheel hubs with all its Epsilon siblings it would make little sense to redesign special hubs for one model, especially given how few people will notice. And at least they are attempting to do something unique in place of the common 5-spoke design.

      • 0 avatar
        corntrollio

        Yeah, I’ll remind those idiot designers that they should have included 12 lugs with those 12-spoke wheels on Honda Accords [eyeroll]

        • 0 avatar
          CoreyDL

          I like a 5-5 arrangement. Simple, looks good, not too racy, works!

          I think these are my favorite wheels though, and I don’t see any lugs.

          http://forums.audiworld.com/picture.php?albumid=150098&pictureid=204716

  • avatar
    PrincipalDan

    Have any of the important dimensions changed? Because the criticism of the Regal has been that the Verano does all the same things just a bit cheaper and in some cases a bit better.

    Right now Buick’s lineup seems to be “compact” (Verano, Regal) and “full-size” (LaCrosse). That’s not much of a sedan lineup for a alleged Lexus/Acura fighter.

    • 0 avatar
      mike978

      The dimensions haven`t changed because this is an MCE. The issue with rear headroom and access will only get resolved (potentially) when the brand new Insignia/Regal is released.

      This is a good for GM because there were too many Regal versions out there to support 1-2K units a month. This rationalization was needed. The Turbo was stuck with only a modest hp bump from the base engine.

      Now being a pseudo RWD should help with some people who really want RWD.

    • 0 avatar
      CoreyDL

      I have such a hard time considering the LaCrosse full size. I see them in person, I see the interior, my next door neighbor has one – and it just says midsize to me.

      The DTS is 11 inches longer. THAT’S full size!

      • 0 avatar
        bryanska

        DTS/Lucernce, since it’s the same platform. If you’ve ever sat in a DTS Lux III package, you’d crap your pants. Really nice car.

      • 0 avatar
        Kyree S. Williams

        I never understood why the LaCrosse was considered full-sized; likewise I can’t understand why the Regal is considered mid-sized. It apparently sits on the same SWB Epsilon-II platform as the Malibu, but seems much smaller than the Malibu–which we all know has been bashed for its lack of interior space. The Suzuki Kisashi and current Cadillac CTS have also struck me as not quite being mid-sized…

    • 0 avatar
      Chocolatedeath

      Brother Dan…I agree in principal with your statement however, Acura went years with three cars that where within hairs of each other in interior space. TSX, RL, TL. Until recently there wasnt too much space. Even Lexus was guilty of selling two different version of the Prius and the IS at the same time (compacts).

      You are correct however in stating that hey need a large (Electra) type car.

      • 0 avatar
        SC5door

        Buick also sold the Regal and Century side by side for years.

        • 0 avatar
          APaGttH

          Weren’t they two different platforms?

          Wasn’t the Regal a W-Body and the Century an A-Body? [answered my own question - until 1996 yes, after 1997 they were both W-Body cars that looked practically alike]

          I seem to remember the Century was the base base base base get your toe into the door before you slip off your mortal coil Buick.

          • 0 avatar
            Marko

            That was the case from 1988 to 1996; from 1997 to 2004, the Regal and Century were essentially different trim levels of the same W-body car.

          • 0 avatar
            PrincipalDan

            @APaGtth, a high school principal in my district (one who is the principal of a school located in the most religiously conservative part of our district) drives a LOADED W-body Century. Tan/gold paint, tan leather interior, every option, 0 tint to the windows. It is vanilla with vanilla frosting, vanilla sprinkles, served with a glass of water. It is somehow more boring than a Camry. The poor guy is only in his 50s and his automotive choice screams blue plate special.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Oh god a gold Century. That was the worst shade of gold they put on those.

          • 0 avatar
            sgeffe

            IIRC, the Century, post-1997, had a 3.1L V6, while the Regal had the 3.8L.

    • 0 avatar
      corntrollio

      It’s also confusing because the Regal and the LaCrosse are both Epsilon II-based:

      LaCrosse
      Wheelbase 111.7 in (2,837 mm)
      Length 196.9 in (5,001 mm)
      Width 73.1 in (1,857 mm)
      Height 59.2 in (1,504 mm)

      Regal
      Wheelbase 107.8 in (2,738 mm)
      Length 190.2 in (4,831 mm)
      Width 73.1 in (1,857 mm)
      Height 58.4 in (1,483 mm)

      So the Regal is almost 7 inches shorter and about 4 inches shorter in wheelbase.

      The Verano on Delta II is another 6 inches shorter and another 2 inches out of the wheelbase, so I can see how people might say the Verano is big enough:

      Wheelbase 105.7 in (2,685 mm)
      Length 183.9 in (4,671 mm)
      Width 71.4 in (1,814 mm)
      Height 58.4 in (1,483 mm)

  • avatar
    juicy sushi

    Ah well. Still, one of the few GM cars I would consider if I were in that market, but it is a pitty. And ditto on the chrome wheels. It would look much nicer without.

  • avatar
    hubcap

    Had a chance to drive the current car at an auto show event and came away less than impressed. It’s a good looking car, with a good interior but the driving experience felt neutered and disconnected from what it purports to be.

    No matter what happens with the car it’ll need a serious attitude adjustment for me to consider it.

  • avatar
    1998redwagon

    yes, yes, yes. the rims on teh regal leave much to be desired. however, if you can find/buy them the 19″ 5 spoke rims from the lacrosse option package look really sharp on the regal. classic timely w/o all the busyness of the typical regal rims.

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    In the headline article image, does anyone else see a circa 2001 Sebring sedan?

  • avatar
    mike978

    How is the GS neutered? It has the same engine, manual transmission and body kit it had before. All they have done is add AWD (which people asked for to be more like the Insignia VXR) and upgrade the engine for the turbo customers.

  • avatar

    General Motors is hitting on all cylinders with the new models and refreshes. I am very excited and well pleased by the work of our stylists and designers. we have come a long way with build quality and our dealer service is top notch. I can’t remember feeling so enthused about selling GM products….maybe when I first moved to Flint in 1982 but that wasn’t so much about the product as the opportunity.

  • avatar
    1998redwagon

    i absolutely love the fact that buick has made a stick available in the regal – not just the gs mind you. the verano too although that one is top of the line model only. pity for 2014 the manual will be available in gs only.

    not to hijack the thread but i did a quick fact search. Consider this:

    buick regal 6mt $34.8
    vw cc 6mt $31.2
    audi 6mt + quattro $34.3
    bmw 328i (starts at)$36.8

    is it any wonder the regal is not selling? originally stated to be competitive with the 3 series it may compete there on cost but not with the vw or audi which offers awd.

    • 0 avatar
      APaGttH

      Interesting stats. I would say that although you can get into an Audi 6 for that kind of Cheddar, that is pretty “stripped” – the current GS (unless 2014 pricing is already out) at $35Kish (not counting the cash on the hood) has basically everything.

      An Audi A6 is my dream car (seriously) and on my list of possibles in my driveway in another couple of years – with that said building them out online, I get to $50K plus really fast.

      I agree with you in principal the Regal price point overall is too high – the car starts at near $30K – for that kind of Cheddar you’ve got a fully equipped turbo Verano in your driveway.

    • 0 avatar
      BrianL

      Comparing cars that come with base model that has 6 speed MT seems a little wrong considering it is the top model Regal that has it.

      I do wonder what the take rate is on a Regals with MT. My guess is, not too much. My guess is also that most of the Regals with MT, were Regal GS models.

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    Apparently no manual with AWD in any configuration. If you want to row the gears, the power is coming through the front wheels.

    *sigh*

  • avatar
    Kyree S. Williams

    The addition of AWD is nice and should snag some sales from the Volvo S60, but I think the front-fascia now looks too tame. It almost reminds me of the departed Lucerne.

  • avatar
    missmySE-R

    I have been patiently waiting for them to bring over the wagon version (it exists today as an Opel) with the turbo. A bit more interesting than the TSX wagon and, for me, the mid-size dimensions would be a perfect step-up from my Mazda3 hatch. I was hoping the wagon body style might be part of the mid-cycle update. Still hopeful but prepared for disappointment…

    • 0 avatar
      Kyree S. Williams

      Having a bona fide sportwagon would do something for the “youth” factor. Or maybe it wouldn’t…because it’s primarily pre-SUV people (Read: those aware of cars before 1991) that want wagons.

      In any event, they’d probably just try to stuff you into that new Encore subcompact CUV…which I’ve actually found to be quite roomy….

  • avatar
    BrianL

    I am disappointed in the new GS. The old one had more horse power, and slightly less torque than the new one. I like the addition of AWD, but why only for the automatic?

    I was hoping for something getting close to 300 hp for the GS. I believe the new turbo is going to be nice for idle speeds, but I don’t see this car being any faster than the old one.

    On the other hand, the Regal Turbo got some much needed help.

  • avatar
    philadlj

    They already neutered the whole Regal line with something called the Verano. Regal sales have plummeted to 1000-1500/month, while the Verano enjoys the Regal’s pre-Verano 3000-4000/month.

  • avatar
    thegamper

    I will gladly swap a few horses for an AWD option. It still has all its torque and the performance effects will probably be very minimal to the average consumer. Putting all that power to the front wheels never made much sense to me. Dont really care for the other updates, but AWD is good decision.

  • avatar
    michal1980

    I was excited, and then I saw now AWD + manual.

    I’ll be moving on then when my GS lease ends.

  • avatar
    LALoser

    I want to like this car, and would get one…but it “just misses” for me. AWD with a 6M would be great, but can’t have that..HP is down..But the looks are great! I am due to get a new one this year and want to short list the GS, but can’t do it.

  • avatar
    Liger

    Seems like the next regal (or its replacement) will have to be based on a buickified better furnished/finished/freshened malibu with an evolution of the just announced 295lb ft 2.0t…….

    • 0 avatar
      APaGttH

      Oh the GM 2.0 DI turbo 4 has plenty of power. When they were selling the Solstice and SKY (great cars minus the Rube-Goldberg roof – if you don’t think so look up the SCCA Solo Nationals results) you could get a GMPP upgrade for about $600 which would bring you to 300 HP and 340 pound feet of torque – premium fuel required instead of recommended.

      It is a stout little engine that you don’t have to rev the crap out of to get some enjoyment.

      You wouldn’t want that kind of mojo sailing through the front wheels (although I’m under the impression HiPer Strut or whatever they call it does a good job of reigning in torque steer)

  • avatar
    tjh8402

    I’m seeing conflicting posts here. Can you get the car as AWD with the stick? If so, I’d say it probably presents a compelling Audi and Volvo alternative. The BMW’s main advantage would be that its RWD. Yes AWD is a major improvement over FWD, especially if it does a good job of distributing power, but in my snow free climate, AWD is unecessary with anything less than Bugatti levels of power, so it would still loose to BMW there. I’d love to knock it for only offering a 4 cylinder, but unfotunately, such misery is being forced upon by all the carmakers and Dear Leader Comrade Obama and that’s become the only choice in this category.

  • avatar
    calmaro

    Yes, this image does look like a Sebring. Why would Buick be moving toward– instead of away from– a Chrysler 200 look? Back rear profile also resembles new Civic. Scallop in front fender isn’t a resolved element, and has no connection to Buick heritage. Cooler if that bend in the metal was part of a bulging front wheel arch. Available AWD is a definite plus, though. To build a stronger Buick identity other than in vertical-barred grille, future styling themes need serious work.


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