Mazda: Breaking New Ground In Torque Steer?

Edward Niedermeyer
by Edward Niedermeyer

Among the many new SKYACTIV technologies that Mazda plans on introducing to its global lineup, a unique start-stop system is one of the most important. Initially Mazda had decided not to bring its idle-stop system to the US as the EPA system didn’t measure a major improvement in efficiency, but ultimately the decision was made to make all of its vehicles idle-free by 2015. But an early test of a SKYACTIV idle-stop-equipped Mazda2 by Automotive News [sub]’s Hans Greimel reveals an interesting characteristic:

a funny thing happened when I paused for a red in Tokyo’s harbor district.

After a few moments of silence, the engine clicked on, as designed, to help keep the air conditioner going. OK, that’s normal. But as the engine jumped to life, so did the steering wheel. To my surprise, I found the engine’s start-up vibrations turning the wheel to-and-fro in my loose grip.


I turned to the Mazda powertrain engineer sitting beside me.

“Didn’t engineers notice that during development?”

“Yes.”

“Well, didn’t they try to fix it?”

“Yes, but they decided this amount of feedback was acceptable.”

I’ve driven cars with stop-start engines before, but this was a first. The self-animated steering wheel only happened once during my 40-minute run. And it was more an unexpected annoyance than a safety issue. But I suspect it will take drivers some getting used to.

Greimel says the SKYACTIV Mazda2 1.3 won’t be sold in the US, but the same technology will arrive with the next Mazda3. Because Mazda’s idle-stop system uses detonation rather than an electric motor for re-start, it eliminates a key problem with early stop-start systems: battery wear-down. But apparently Mazda’s detonation-based system isn’t without its downsides. Here’s hoping they work out the kinks before bringing the system to the mass market.

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  • MadHungarian MadHungarian on Aug 15, 2011

    Does this system avoid using the starter motor entirely for restarting, or not? On the Mazda website, the third diagram toward the bottom of the page is captioned "Combustion + Motor Assist" and the graphics suggest the starter motor is operating. If this works so well, why not eliminate the weight of the starter motor and start the engine this way all the time?

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    • Robert.Walter Robert.Walter on Aug 16, 2011

      Cylinders are not a perfect seal either ... even if the engine were maintained at the optimal warm temperature for compression-based starting, the cylinder pressure would vent past the rings and be lost over time... I also assume, but am not sure, that there would be additional incremental leakage over the valve seats too...

  • Wmba Wmba on Aug 16, 2011

    The Mazda Global site has had info on this stop-start system for over a year now. It doesn't rely on compression to start, it depends on the engine stopping at the exact right point, so that a squirt of gas and the air left in the cylinder are ignited by a spark and off she goes. Sounds like it might be a bit of a rocky start if it twitches the steering column, though. I wonder how they integrate it, or any stop-start system with an automatic trans, where one has to press the foot brake to use the starter motor. Interesting logic train that will have to be followed to do this automatically. Manual tranny no problem.

  • Kjhkjlhkjhkljh kljhjkhjklhkjh A prelude is a bad idea. There is already Acura with all the weird sport trims. This will not make back it's R&D money.
  • Analoggrotto I don't see a red car here, how blazing stupid are you people?
  • Redapple2 Love the wheels
  • Redapple2 Good luck to them. They used to make great cars. 510. 240Z, Sentra SE-R. Maxima. Frontier.
  • Joe65688619 Under Ghosn they went through the same short-term bottom-line thinking that GM did in the 80s/90s, and they have not recovered say, to their heyday in the 50s and 60s in terms of market share and innovation. Poor design decisions (a CVT in their front-wheel drive "4-Door Sports Car", model overlap in a poorly performing segment (they never needed the Altima AND the Maxima...what they needed was one vehicle with different drivetrain, including hybrid, to compete with the Accord/Camry, and decontenting their vehicles: My 2012 QX56 (I know, not a Nissan, but the same holds for the Armada) had power rear windows in the cargo area that could vent, a glass hatch on the back door that could be opened separate from the whole liftgate (in such a tall vehicle, kinda essential if you have it in a garage and want to load the trunk without having to open the garage door to make room for the lift gate), a nice driver's side folding armrest, and a few other quality-of-life details absent from my 2018 QX80. In a competitive market this attention to detai is can be the differentiator that sell cars. Now they are caught in the middle of the market, competing more with Hyundai and Kia and selling discounted vehicles near the same price points, but losing money on them. They invested also invested a lot in niche platforms. The Leaf was one of the first full EVs, but never really evolved. They misjudged the market - luxury EVs are selling, small budget models not so much. Variable compression engines offering little in terms of real-world power or tech, let a lot of complexity that is leading to higher failure rates. Aside from the Z and GT-R (low volume models), not much forced induction (whether your a fan or not, look at what Honda did with the CR-V and Acura RDX - same chassis, slap a turbo on it, make it nicer inside, and now you can sell it as a semi-premium brand with higher markup). That said, I do believe they retain the technical and engineering capability to do far better. About time management realized they need to make smarter investments and understand their markets better.
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