Those Early Honda Civic Type R Sales Forecasts Sure Sound Far-fetched Now

Timothy Cain
by Timothy Cain

We had not yet seen the 2017 Honda Civic Type R.

We did not yet know at what lofty level the 2017 Honda Civic Type R would be priced.

We didn’t know precisely when we’d have an opportunity to purchase a 2017 Honda Civic Type R. We didn’t know how powerful it would be, whether there’d be a CVT option, if the Civic Si would be powerful enough to decrease Type R demand, or how many aero-aiding elements the Civic Type R would be wearing when it came off the boat from the UK.

But we were told Honda thought it could sell 2,000 Civic Type Rs per month. Which is impossible.

It was April 2015, two years before the 2017 Honda Civic Type R landed on U.S. shores.

“I’d hope we could sell a couple thousand a month,” then American Honda executive vice president John Mendel said.

But American Honda will only have 2,500 Civic Type Rs in its entire (abbreviated) 2017 model year run. According to Car And Driver, the allotment earned by American Honda for the 2018 Civic Type R is only 5,000 cars.

That’s 417 Civic Type Rs per month.

At least in these early stages of the hot hatch’s life, with some Civic Type R buyers paying well in excess of the $34,775 asking price, it appears as though there’s sufficient demand for many more Civic Type R sales.

But 24,000 buyers for a $35K Civic on an annual basis? GTI-beating numbers from a Golf R rival? That seemed doubtful from the get-go, particularly since Honda is notoriously unwilling to run the risk of over-supplying dealers with cars.

In Cars.com’s inventory of 74 Civic Type Rs, 12 are priced by their dealers above $40,000, six are priced above $45,000, and at Bell Honda in Phoenix, Arizona, there’s a 2017 Honda Civic Type R priced at $59,988.

The Civic Type R is, like Honda’s other Civic hatchbacks, built at the company’s British plant in Swindon, England. According to Automotive News Data Center, hatchbacks account for 22 percent of the Civics sold in the U.S. so far this year.

CNET’s Roadshow reported earlier this year that Ford was selling 500 copies of the Focus RS per month with average transaction prices of $42,351. Volkswagen reported an average of 388 Golf R sales per month in the first-half of 2017. Subaru is currently selling around 2,700 WRX and STI sedans per month, but Subaru doesn’t break that pair down by model.

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Timothy Cain is a contributing analyst at The Truth About Cars and Autofocus.ca and the founder and former editor of GoodCarBadCar.net. Follow on Twitter @timcaincars.

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  • ABC-2000 ABC-2000 on Jul 13, 2017

    I'm dying to see what the new Accord 2.0L can do, specially the 2 doors, it might feel stupid to get the "R" when you can get the same engine in a "normal" car for much less....

  • Dantes_inferno Dantes_inferno on Jul 14, 2017

    That smacking sound you hear is the sound of Law Enforcement licking their chops.

  • Joe65688619 Under Ghosn they went through the same short-term bottom-line thinking that GM did in the 80s/90s, and they have not recovered say, to their heyday in the 50s and 60s in terms of market share and innovation. Poor design decisions (a CVT in their front-wheel drive "4-Door Sports Car", model overlap in a poorly performing segment (they never needed the Altima AND the Maxima...what they needed was one vehicle with different drivetrain, including hybrid, to compete with the Accord/Camry, and decontenting their vehicles: My 2012 QX56 (I know, not a Nissan, but the same holds for the Armada) had power rear windows in the cargo area that could vent, a glass hatch on the back door that could be opened separate from the whole liftgate (in such a tall vehicle, kinda essential if you have it in a garage and want to load the trunk without having to open the garage door to make room for the lift gate), a nice driver's side folding armrest, and a few other quality-of-life details absent from my 2018 QX80. In a competitive market this attention to detai is can be the differentiator that sell cars. Now they are caught in the middle of the market, competing more with Hyundai and Kia and selling discounted vehicles near the same price points, but losing money on them. They invested also invested a lot in niche platforms. The Leaf was one of the first full EVs, but never really evolved. They misjudged the market - luxury EVs are selling, small budget models not so much. Variable compression engines offering little in terms of real-world power or tech, let a lot of complexity that is leading to higher failure rates. Aside from the Z and GT-R (low volume models), not much forced induction (whether your a fan or not, look at what Honda did with the CR-V and Acura RDX - same chassis, slap a turbo on it, make it nicer inside, and now you can sell it as a semi-premium brand with higher markup). That said, I do believe they retain the technical and engineering capability to do far better. About time management realized they need to make smarter investments and understand their markets better.
  • Kwik_Shift_Pro4X Off-road fluff on vehicles that should not be off road needs to die.
  • Kwik_Shift_Pro4X Saw this posted on social media; “Just bought a 2023 Tundra with the 14" screen. Let my son borrow it for the afternoon, he connected his phone to listen to his iTunes.The next day my insurance company raised my rates and added my son to my policy. The email said that a private company showed that my son drove the vehicle. He already had his own vehicle that he was insuring.My insurance company demanded he give all his insurance info and some private info for proof. He declined for privacy reasons and my insurance cancelled my policy.These new vehicles with their tech are on condition that we give up our privacy to enter their world. It's not worth it people.”
  • TheEndlessEnigma Poor planning here, dropping a Vinfast dealer in Pensacola FL is just not going to work. I love Pensacola and that part of the Gulf Coast, but that area is by no means an EV adoption demographic.
  • Keith Most of the stanced VAGS with roof racks are nuisance drivers in my area. Very likely this one's been driven hard. And that silly roof rack is extra $'s, likely at full retail lol. Reminds me of the guys back in the late 20th century would put in their ads that the installed aftermarket stereo would be a negotiated extra. Were they going to go find and reinstall that old Delco if you didn't want the Kraco/Jenson set up they hacked in?
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