By on March 15, 2013

Fans of the old BMW 335d won’t have to wait much longer for an all-new 3-Series diesel. On the other hand, Audi lovers will have to sit tight for an A4 diesel.

The next generation A4 will herald the fifth TDI in Audi’s lineup, when it launches with a 2.0L diesel engine for the 2015 model year. Rather than go with a two-year sales window for a current generation A4 TDI, Audi decided to wait until the next generation car and avoid the substantial homologation costs. The 3.0L V6 TDI was also nixed for similar reasons.

Luckily, BMW fans will get to see the new 328d at the New York Auto Show in two weeks time. Producing 180 horsepower and 280 lb-ft, the 328d will be available as a wagon, but no manual transmission has been confirmed. The previous 335d was offered only as an automatic.

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26 Comments on “BMW, Audi Ready Entry-Level Diesels...”


  • avatar
    spreadsheet monkey

    The 180bhp diesel is badged as a 320d in Europe. I’ve owned an 2007 320d for the last five years and it has been a great car.

  • avatar
    Type57SC

    About damn time Audi!

    Please tell me the BMW 328D has a 2.8L engine, otherwise I’ll just continue my Marvin the Robot mumbling until forever. However, I assume it’s a 2.0L engine and named by some smarmy marketing manager living a hollow life in Cherry Hill and driving a 328i automotic with the M-sport appearance package as his company car.

    • 0 avatar
      carguy

      Stupid is the new normal when it comes to car names.

      But I’d still quite like a diesel 3 series.

    • 0 avatar
      ZekeToronto

      “Smarmy marketing manager” driving a 3-series as a company car? I don’t think so. ;-)

    • 0 avatar
      Buzz Killington

      Why would a Subaru of America marketing manager have anything to do with naming a BMW? ;)

      it does have the 2.0L; my guess is that they want to position it as a 328 with better fuel mileage, rather than a 320 with a $4k markup. In the first instance, the buyer is comparing $$ for $$; in the second, the buyer is doing the ROI calculation on the additional cost. Smart move, IMO.

  • avatar
    jaje

    Drove a 335d as student of mine had for a DE event and it was a great car. Compared to another student who had a 335i it wasn’t as fast but was very close. The 335d was sooo quiet and effortless to accelerate you were surprise the speeds it hit on the straight.

  • avatar
    Remi

    The 335d was only available with an automatic, but that was true in Europe as well (supposedly, they didn’t have a manual that could handle the 425 lb-f of torque – the one on the new M5 apparently can).

    I have one and I must say I don’t miss the third pedal as the range is much smaller than a gasoline engine (from 1200 to 3000), and there is so much torque so low that the tranny doesn’t hardly ever downshift anyways.

    • 0 avatar
      RobAllen

      The lack of a manual almost kept me from buying the 335D, but after 9 months with my second-hand 2009, I don’t miss the 3rd pedal. I have the sport package on mine, so it includes paddle shifters, which has eased the transition.

      The issue with the manual transmissions was one of price more than the mere existence of an option. To be honest I think they made the right call. The 335d sold for a premium in the States over a similarly equipped 335i as it was. Adding the transmission from the M3 as an option would have been even pricier and driven up repair costs.

      Two items of note on the D here in the US:
      - the anti-smog gear is a bit more intrusive than in the Euro-spec car which adds extra areas for gremlins to wiggle into
      - the diesel fuel sold in the US has a lower cetane (40 vs. 50) rating than in Europe which when coupled with the low revs this car needs to maintain highway speeds can lead to excessive carbon buildup.

      For all that it’s a blast to drive and very easy to get into the right half of the speedometer if you aren’t careful.

      • 0 avatar
        niky

        Good diesels rip through the rev range so quickly and have so much torque that you need to shift quickly and often have to contend with a heavy pedal attached to a military-spec clutch built to take the shock. Most modern diesels are better with an automatic, there’s just no point to suffering with a clunky box and a dual-mass flywheel that costs nearly as much to replace as the injection pump.

  • avatar
    akitadog

    That 3′s pinched nose and bulbous hood look a LOT better with that wagon body shape trailing behind it.

  • avatar
    hf_auto

    Between the F30 diesel wagon and VW GTD coming our way, we’re being spoiled with options. Now if we can just get that Mazda6 wagon…

  • avatar
    NeinNeinNein

    Ok, I’m changing my name to JaJaJa! Audi A4 w/ a TDI engine!
    THE best of all worlds—Sweet looking exterior, fine well fitted leather interior, AWD, power/torque, and 42+ hwy mpg.
    Sweet.

  • avatar
    corntrollio

    “The next generation A4 will herald the fifth TDI in Audi’s lineup”

    5th or 7th? Right now:
    Q7 currently has the 3.0 TDI (240 hp/400 lb-ft newer version)
    A3 has the 2.0 TDI (although I believe it is non-Quattro)
    ’14 A8 will have the 3.0 TDI, which is to be released soon
    ’14 A6, A7, and Q5 to be released later this year

    Audi also has a twin-turbo 3.0 TDI that moves the A6 to 60 in about 5.1 seconds, but it’s only available in Europe, including as an Avant. That brown diesel wagon hasn’t made it here yet.

  • avatar
    Sundowner

    I have an A4, it’s a heavy car. I’ve had a Jetta with the 2.0L TDI. it was a light car… and it was a slow car. I do not see the 2.0L TDI selling well in the A4. The performance loss in the Jetta (and the A3 by extension) between the 2.0L TDI and the 2.0L gasser (with 50 ft-lbs less torque than the A4 2.0L gasser)is almost tolerable. I do not see US consumers paying a premium for less performance and nominal fuel economy gains. (the A4 already rates at 31 mpg. I doubt it will break 40 with the TDI due to its weight)

    The 3.0L TDI would have been a better choice for a debut model.

    • 0 avatar
      corntrollio

      “The 3.0L TDI would have been a better choice for a debut model.”

      They would have had to call it the S4 TDI if they did that!

      It’s definitely not 50 less, though. I think the A3 TDI has 236 lb-ft of torque, whereas the latest 2.0T is something like 258 lb-ft.

      • 0 avatar
        Sundowner

        the latest 2.0T, yes. But the Jetta and the A3 still run the last generation 2.0T with 211 lb-ft.
        The difference between them is quite apparent, even when comparing the stronger motor in the heavier A4 to the older motor in the much lighter A3.

    • 0 avatar
      brettc

      The new 2.0 litre that will be available in the MQB platform cars is the EA288 TDI, which develops more HP and torque than the current 2.0L CR engine offering. Something like 190 HP and 280 ft-lbs compared to 140 and 236.

  • avatar
    Deaks2

    320/328d wagon = our next family hauler… Unless of course I find a reasonably priced E63 wagon…

  • avatar
    Littlecarrot

    One thing to check regarding the BMW emission system is whether the Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) is permanently sealed. If the filter is not removeable-and thus not cleanable, it’s likely to be quite expensive to replace. Also, did the 335D fuel pumps have any problems with the low sulfur fuel?

  • avatar
    jkross22

    The pic of the 3er wagon makes it’s windows look almost normal sized instead of the silly gun slits in the prior 3

  • avatar

    I hate you BMW. I rented the 320d (e90) for a week in Germany last year. I loved the car and wanted one. The 335d was out of production so now I have two years to go on my TDi lease.

    I hate you BMW.

  • avatar
    CJinSD

    Fans of the old 335d rarely include owners. Christmas before last, a BMW tech whose palace I was hanging out at told me the US models are given to catastrophic failures. Our combination of biodiesel and constant emissions reduction creep make diesel cars a very bad idea.

  • avatar
    jimf42

    I drove a BMW 118xd in Germany last fall..nice roomy compact with great diesel fuel economy…would have been better, save for autobahn speeds..


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