By on January 30, 2012

 

An Egyptian sheikh has declared Chevrolet products “haram” (or forbidden, in Arabic) but the culprit this time isn’t the “Zionists”. It’s Christians.

According to the sheikh, the Chevrolet bowtie logo looks too similar to a cross. Egyptian TV presenter Amr Adeeb railed against the silly fatwa, noting the extreme, delusional narcissism of the sheikh by rhetoricallly asking

“As if the people who came up with the logo were thinking that we want to put this special logo on the car just to piss us [Muslims] off?”

Is it any surprise that the same religious authorities who condone flying jetliners into buildings think like petulant, narcissistic children? Apparently, the Chevrolet Cruze is a pretty bitchin’ car in the Gaza strip, and Saudi Arabia has gotten small-block Chevrolet Caprices (aka Holden Commodores) for years. If there are any Arabic speakers above familiar with the Egyptian dialect, feel free to translate Adeeb’s rant against the fatwa.

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69 Comments on “Egyptian Sheikh Declares Chevrolet “Haram”...”


  • avatar

    If only they had a fatwa against airplanes, what with their cross like wings.

  • avatar
    ehsteve

    I thought it was something about wallpaper?

  • avatar
    ClutchCarGo

    “According to the sheikh, the Chevrolet bowtie logo looks too similar to a cross.”

    GM couldn’t buy PR like this for the domestic market. Unless they did?

  • avatar
    ott

    SOOOO glad I live in the Western Hemisphere…

    • 0 avatar
      ruckover

      Like when there was a claim that the NASA logo was an Arabic crescent (perhaps Michelle Malkin, or someone like her)?

      • 0 avatar
        darkwing

        Nope, you just made that one up. Want to try again?

      • 0 avatar
        dejal1

        No, you might be thinking about the official NASA/MUSLIM outreach policy

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7875584/Barack-Obama-Nasa-must-try-to-make-Muslims-feel-good.html

        where Charles Bolden, Nasa administrator said he was charged by Obama with 3 things:

        “One, he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math; he wanted me to expand our international relationships; and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science, math, and engineering.”

        He added: “It is a matter of trying to reach out and get the best of all worlds, if you will, and there is much to be gained by drawing in the contributions that are possible from the Muslim [nations].”

        It’s all a matter of self esteem.

      • 0 avatar
        rodface

        Guys, Google is your *friend*.

        http://michellemalkin.com/2010/07/07/nasa-logo-makeovers-new-arabic-sensitivity-administration/

      • 0 avatar
        dejal1

        Wrong.

        She never said that.

        She asked for readers to submit designs that ridicule NASA because of the link I posted. No where does she say the NASA logo was an Arabic crescent. Your link proves that in the 1st sentence:

        “MichelleMalkin.com readers have answered the call of duty! Last night, inspired by reader Duke, I put out a call for NASA logo redesign Photoshops to mock Team Obama’s Muslim-pandering makeover of the space program.”

        I see the words mock + redesign.

        The logo:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NASA_logo.svg

        Yes, Google is your friend.

      • 0 avatar
        Jimal

        Funny, I’m also seeing the words “…Muslim-pandering makeover of the space program.” attributed to Malkin in your evidence that she said no such thing. Try Googling the phrase “in so many words”.

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        Google is your *friend*

        The logos are intended to be satirical. The whole exercise is overwrought, but no one who produced the contents in your link is claiming that that logos are legitimate.

      • 0 avatar
        bd2

        Speaking of MM, how do we know she isn’t an illegal or a terrorist?

        After all, she is Filipina – and all those Filipino terrorists killing and kidnapping people, including Americans.

      • 0 avatar
        CJinSD

        Jimal,

        Try finding that phrase in this thread, other than in your own post. Why google something unrelated to the discussion? How does the link to Malkin’s website do anything other than disprove ruckover’s assertion? What sort of circles do you run in where repeating an obvious falsehood in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary serves a purpose? Ah, the left.

      • 0 avatar
        MoppyMop

        rodface’s link appears to just be her attempt at satire, but it wouldn’t be the first (or even the second) time in recent memory that a right-wing pundit engaged in logo-based tinfoil-hattery:

        http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/islamic-crescent-missile-defence-logo/
        http://www.mediaite.com/online/fox-and-friends-highlights-obamas-curious-crescent-logo-controversy/

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        Try finding that phrase in this thread, other than in your own post.

        It’s in Dejal1’s post, which was made seven minutes prior to Jimal’s post. Both of them took it from the same source, namely the Malkin blog post.

        That being said, Jimal may have misunderstood it. The “logos” were submitted by her readers. They were intended to be humorous.

        But Ruckover was right, as MoppyMop points out. Unlike Malkin, this clown from the New York Post (another Murdoch rag) isn’t kidding (“I am certain the crescent-like design of the logo is not a coincidence, especially at an event where Iran’s nuclear ambition and al Qaeda’s search for a bomb are prime topics.”)

        http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/forever_in_our_debts_VenykFKMS487rDCXhdsz1I/1

      • 0 avatar
        windswords

        Fascinating. MoppyMop claims that a “right-wing pundit engaged in logo-based tinfoil-hattery” for something that is just political based humor. Do we ever hear of “left-wing” based tinfoil-hattery, whether logo-based or otherwise? Of course not. Those guys and gals are just being smart and funny. Harmless fun I tell you.

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        MoppyMop claims that a “right-wing pundit engaged in logo-based tinfoil-hattery” for something that is just political based humor

        No, that is not what he said.

        What he pointed out correctly is that Ruckover provided the wrong link. There was some right-wing nutty hullabaloo over the logo, but it wasn’t coming from Malkin.

      • 0 avatar
        CJinSD

        Pch101,

        The phrase, which Jimal quoted and said to google, was “in so many words.” Now it is here twice, the second time with me writing it out for you in the vague hope that you’ll begin to understand how a real argument works.

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        The phrase, which Jimal quoted and said to google, was “in so many words.”

        You’re very confused. Go back and read it, slowly if necessary.

      • 0 avatar
        CJinSD

        Pch101,

        Hit control-f and start typing ‘in so many words.’ Do it at whatever speed you want. You could also look for the phrase ‘try googling.’ Have fun in your next spin attempt.

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        Hit control-f and start typing ‘in so many words.’

        You are very, very, very confused. It’s no wonder that you have so much trouble with these things.

        I shouldn’t have to explain the obvious, but the quip re: “in so many words” was sarcastic. Jimal’s quip was intended to be an insult, as Jimal believed that Malkin was sincere and he was attempting to rebut Dejal1’s points about Malkin.

        Now, as it turns out, Dejal1 interpreted Malkin correctly and Jimal did not. But you’re not making this any better by misinterpreting Jimal.

        What we’re left with:

        -Ruckover was right on the facts, but posted the wrong link
        -Dejal1 was correct in his interpretation of Ruckover’s link, but apparently wasn’t aware of the other legitimate examples
        -MoppyMop did post a good link, as did I
        -You’ve been confused. Hopefully, this dispels your confusion, although I’m not holding my breath.

      • 0 avatar
        CJinSD

        Obama’s crescent logo isn’t the NASA logo, which is what Ruckover asserted in his first post. He was wrong with his claim, wrong about Michelle Malkin, and chose a link that only proved there error in his beliefs. You’re trying to sidestep that and rehabilitate his bs by pretending that Obama’s crescent logo is the NASA logo, or that someone looked at a NASA logo that didn’t have a giant crescent and imagined one.

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        You’re trying to sidestep that

        You need to sharpen your reading schools. I not only didn’t “sidestep”, I specifically corrected him.

        However, the poster called MoppyMan did point to the right story. Ruckover had the right idea, but chose the wrong example. In your efforts to cover up for your own errors, you’re ignoring the accurate links.

        I see that you don’t want to admit that it happened. But I quoted one of these claims directly, so it’s a bit hard to pretend that it didn’t happen.

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        You’re trying to sidestep that

        You need to sharpen your reading skills. I not only didn’t “sidestep”, I specifically corrected him.

        However, the poster called MoppyMan did point to the right story. Ruckover had the right idea, but chose the wrong example. In your efforts to cover up for your own errors, you’re ignoring the accurate links.

        I see that you don’t want to admit that it happened. But I quoted one of these claims directly, so it’s a bit hard to pretend that it didn’t happen.

  • avatar
    crackers

    This kind of stuff happens more frequently than we think. I recall one of my customers from a certain conservative middle eastern country arrived for a factory inspection. As a gift, we gave him a small, classy inukshuk statue as a reminder of his first trip to Canada. He refused it because it looked like a cross.

  • avatar
    Pch101

    American companies, such as Ford, have been targeted by various Christian groups for being what those groups consider to be too gay-friendly. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8047423/ns/business-us_business/t/another-swing-pocketbook

    Proctor and Gamble has been accused at times of having a Satanic logo.

    This isn’t much different. These hotheads are often seeking publicity; it might be better to just ignore them.

  • avatar
    KixStart

    Gosh. GM can’t catch a break… Just as the Christians are starting to think maybe GM isn’t haram, the Muslims declare that it is.

  • avatar
    pgcooldad

    The Dodge “Cross-Hair” grills look much closer to a …. Ohhhhhh Nooooo.

    I wonder what they think of the Alfa Romeo Logo?
    http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/alfa-romeo-history/4437-meaning-ar-badge.html

    • 0 avatar
      madcynic

      Actually, seeing how part of this is based on the City of Milano’s crest, there was considerable trouble a few years back when one of the two football clubs played in white shirts with the city crest on it (for the clubs centennial) – and were set to play Turkish club Galatasaray. If I recall correctly, it was strongly suggested they use a different shirt, and they did.

      The difference of course being that in the city crest, there -is- an actual cross intended to be a cross…

    • 0 avatar
      windswords

      Dodge “Cross-Hair” nothing. What about the original Dodge Brothers double delta? I bet they are glad they don’t use that anymore!

      • 0 avatar
        pgcooldad

        Had to Google that one. Came across this site and found it towards the bottom.

        http://www.cartype.com/pages/413/dodge_related_emblems

        Yeah, that would be very problematic!

  • avatar
    tced2

    He’s just noticing the Chevy bow tie? It’s only been around for many years. According to one website, it has been around for about 100 years -first suggested by Billy Durant (founder of GM).

  • avatar
    rentonben

    They probably shouldn’t look too closely to the oval crusifix Toyota logo.

  • avatar
    theonewhogotaway

    Lincoln is doomed as well

  • avatar
    "scarey"

    “Hotheads” is what Gorbachev called the protesters in Tiananmen Square just before the tanks went in… the word you were looking for is inbredbraindamagedcavemen.
    On topic- will they be replacing the crosshairs on their rifles with maybe, crescents ?

  • avatar
    Slab

    I work for a home building company, and we get the same complaints from Asian buyers. Anything that has two lines intersecting at a right angle looks like a cross.

  • avatar
    Hank

    In other news, he also banned use of the English lower-case letter “t” when using the Comic Sans font.

  • avatar
    KimJongJefferson

    if you guys are paying attention to this guy, then you should be fair and listen to Pat Robertson and all other quacks and what they have to say.

    obviously, there are nuts in every religion. this just happens to pertain to cars, that’s all.

  • avatar
    mitchw

    Come on, it’s just one Salafi sheikh. How many people in Egypt even care about his judgements? Was he an influential cleric? Is this television presenter trying to whip up some kind of conflict for the ratings?

    • 0 avatar
      Dukeboy01

      We sit here, comfortable in our secular orientation in the public square, and fervently wish that only a few people in Egypt cared about this kind of nonsense.

      The unfortunate reality is that most of them do agree with and believe this stuff. They really believe it. Yelling “Allahu Akbar!” in the street doesn’t have the same meaning as a Westerner casually saying “God bless you” when somebody near him sneezes.

      Muslims are not Presbyterians with funny headgear.

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        The unfortunate reality is that most of them do agree with and believe this stuff. They really believe it.

        Well, that would certainly explain why four of the ten best selling cars in Egypt during 2011 was a Chevy. http://bestsellingcarsblog.com/2012/01/28/egypt-full-year-2011-hyundai-verna-1-new-elantra-excels/#more-14202

      • 0 avatar
        thirty-three

        @dukeboy: Have you been to Egypt? I doubt it, because what you say is not true. The only people who get their panties in a knot about such things are people like the Salafi sheikh himself. Unfortunately, they’re the people who get their opinions aired.

        As my grandmother used to tell me, “it’s the empty cans that make the most noise”.

        Maybe you’re confusing Egypt (in Africa) with Pakistan. This type of idiocy is much more common there.

      • 0 avatar
        bd2

        He’s our version of Pat Robertson.

      • 0 avatar
        bd2

        Correction: he’s their version of Pat Robertson.

  • avatar
    Athos Nobile

    IIRC, the Middle East Chevrolet Caprice is the same Holden Caprice/Statesman, which is kind of a LWB version of the Commodore.

    And regarding the main article… *rolleyes* I guess when is this religious BS going to end? From all sides.

  • avatar
    MusicMachine

    Urban legend says that our local mall was intentionally built in the shape of a gun pointed at downtown Erie, PA under the direction of the mafia.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Millcreek_Mall_aerial_photo%2C_April_2005.jpg/220px-Millcreek_Mall_aerial_photo%2C_April_2005.jpg

  • avatar
    turtletop

    Global culture war! Yaaaay! (not)

    Seriously… what the hell does this article have to do with cars, other than the fact that the logo in question happens to be affixed to one?

    Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed TTAC becoming more wingnutty with each passing week?

  • avatar
    amca

    Good luck finding a suitably Kosher – make that “hallal” car to buy. Unless, of course, the good Imam is not by Buddhism, then I suppose he could drive Japanese cars. But not Korean ones, as Korea’s heavily Christian.

    • 0 avatar
      bd2

      The thing is that Christians, Jews and Muslims are worship the SAME God, the god of Abraham; they just all do it a little differently.

      The Iman should have more of an issue with autos made by Hindus, Buddhists, Shinto-ists, etc. since they truly are the “infidels.”

      But you all know how religion works, the good Iman probably would have a problem with a car built in Iran b/c those Shi’ites are the worst of all.

  • avatar
    agroal

    He obviously doesn’t think the near $2 Billion the US gives them a year is Haram.

    • 0 avatar
      stuki

      2 billion bucks worth of “In God we trust”, proudly written above what might, to some, look like a suitable landing strip for one of those darned flying crosses we insist on harassing crazy clerics with.

  • avatar
    wallstreet

    I bet they hate Swiss flag or anything of Swiss nature.

  • avatar
    jnik

    What’s really shocking is that someone in the Muslim world is actually pushing back against this idiocy.

    Here’s to more free thinking in the Muslim world.

  • avatar
    Conslaw

    I don’t care what this guy says, my Chevrolet is rugged.

    I will cling to my old rugged cross, and exchange it one day for a (Toyota) Crown.

  • avatar
    grzydj

    The cross Jesus and other people were hanged on didn’t have a top piece like you see on the traditional cross. Real crosses that people were hanged on looked more like this: T


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