By on December 15, 2015


Subaru and Lexus brands topped Kelley Blue Book’s annual resale list for the second year in a row, the auto industry group announced Tuesday.

Subaru claimed four model winners for 2016 and Lexus nabbed six honors in the annual survey that measures projected retained value for five years of ownership. Toyota and General Motors each earned five segment winners this year and Tesla earned its first award for its Model S.

According to KBB, the top 10 cars with the best resale value were: Chevrolet Camaro and Colorado; GMC Canyon and Sierra; Jeep Wrangler; Subaru Forester and WRX; Toyota 4Runner, Tacoma and Tundra.

Segment winners included the Porsche Macan for luxury compact crossover and Lexus RC for entry-level luxury car (?).

Subcompact Car: Honda Fit
Plug-In Vehicle: Tesla Model S
Compact Car: Subaru Impreza
Compact SUV/Crossover: Jeep Wrangler
Sporty Compact Car: Subaru WRX
Mid-Size SUV/Crossover: Toyota 4Runner
Mid-Size Car: Subaru Legacy
Full-Size SUV/Crossover: Chevrolet Tahoe
Full-Size Car: Toyota Avalon
Luxury Compact SUV/Crossover: Porsche Macan
Entry-Level Luxury Car: Lexus RC
Luxury Mid-Size SUF/Crossover: Lexus GX 460
Luxury Car: Lexus GS
Luxury Full-Size SUV/Crossover: Lexus LX 570
High-End Luxury Car: Porsche Panamera
Hybrid SUV/Crossover: Lexus RX 450h
Sports Car: Chevrolet Camaro LT
Mid-Size Pickup Truck: Toyota Tacoma
High Performance Car: Chevrolet Camaro SS
Full-Size Pickup Truck: Toyota Tundra
Hybrid/Alternative Energy Car: Lexus ES 300h
Minivan/Van: Toyota Sienna

KBB noted in its statement that resale value is entirely relative: the average resale price of a $50,000 new car after five years is only $17,400.

According to the group, cars that cost $60,000 and greater were considered in luxury segments, and cars with small production numbers were excluded from competition. (That has to be why the Alfa Romeo 4C wasn’t included. Has to be. — Aaron)

“Most options and packages added to a vehicle do not necessarily increase its resale value,” Jack R. Nerad, editorial director for Kelley Blue Book, said in a statement. “However, there are exceptions to the rule, such as a high-performance engine or a performance package in a sports car.”

Notable exclusions from KBB’s list were Mazda, Audi and BMW, which had no finishers in the top 3 of any category. (Well, I guess that depends on what you consider the Scion iA to be.)

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75 Comments on “Subaru, Lexus Retain KBB’s Top Resale Crown for 2016...”

  • avatar

    You see now, krhodes, why Subaru is a better badge than Scion? (As I stated in the BRZ/GT86 article).

    And what’s an even better badge than that? Lexus, of course. I’m glad the LC was represented with the LX570 here, as certainly the LC in general holds it’s value -shockingly- well. People will spend $15k on one with 190k miles on it.

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      And as someone who paid $18K for 03 LX 470 with 120K on the clock, i can say deservingly so. We purchased this car for my wife once we had 3rd kid, since she refused to drive minivan. It’s super comfortable, smooth and in the 20K + miles we put on it in last 1.5 years, it didn’t give us any troubles.

      Of course, we could’ve bought cheaper LX/LC model, but this one was one owner with all maintenance traceable and done at same dealer, so my OCD was satisfied, albeit at a little higher price than we’ve been seeing.

    • 0 avatar

      nothing gets me excited about a RWD coupe about the resale value of the other cars in the lineup.

    • 0 avatar

      I still seriously doubt that there is any difference in resale between the BRZ and the FRS once you adjust for the content differences. If anything, the FRS is probably better, as you nearly ALWAYS lose on higher trims. Scion is just Toyota, and absolutely everyone knows that.

      Subaru is such a weird phenomenon. Wildly popular here in New England, yet literally everyone I know who owns them complains about how expensive they get when they age. And they usually fail inspection here in Maine around age 10 due to rust. But they keep buying the damned things. A triumph of the marketing value of AWD over substance? I find them hateful devices to drive and ride in. Though I give them credit for actually having character and utility.

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        I was actually thinking of buying a Scion FR-S but I’m on pause because of the Subaru engine.If it was a Toyota engine I’d be fine but I’ve heard “stories” about those Subaru engines,from bad head gaskets to oil leaks.

      • 0 avatar

        krhodes1 I think the character and utility that you mention is exactly what keeps people in the fold, despite the cars’ known weaknesses mechanically. Owners have those 7 or so years of bliss without any issues (which is a decently long time), at which point they may very well pony up the $3000 or so they might need to get the headgaskets fixed right, a full reseal on the engine (+t-belt and water pump), CV boots replaced, etc. After that, assuming their front subframe doesn’t fail, they have another 100k miles ahead of them with their favorite utility vehicle. I won’t deny “seeing the light” myself on a recent test drive of a brand new Outback. With this latest generation, Subaru finally has a vehicle that hits all the right notes for me and makes me want to spend new-car money on, knowing full well I might have to deal with some of the aforementioned issues down the line.

        We’ll see what happens with the new FB series engines with their redesigned heads and timing chains. The oil burn-off issues are somewhat worrisome but hopefully have been addressed with some better piston rings.

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          I agree with all of what both of you said. There’s something sturdy/honest about Subaru vehicles which is not present in other new Japanese models. Old Land Cruisers have it about them, but that’s all gone since about 07.

          They rust here too, and I’m interested to see if they figured out the rust issue around 05 (like I’m thinking they may have) or no.

          I had an old Subaru, and while it was characterful I didn’t like it. It had far too many things wrong with it for its miles, didn’t get good economy (2.2L auto), and the frameless windows let too much air noise in.

          Guess how hard it was to sell? Four days.

          Oh, and later when I went to check out an 02 Outback Limited, I was really quite impressed with the interior quality and solidity (outside of car was beat up as seller had lied about condition and taken creative angle photographs).

  • avatar

    I test drove a new Hyundai Genesis V8 RWD sedan the other day. Can’t wait for it to fall from its $52k MSRP to an under $30k used car in a year or so. It’s a great car, but Hyundais fall off the cliff faster than second tier GOP presidential candidates.

  • avatar

    Just bought a 2016 4Runner to replace our 2 year old Rav that was totaled in a head on collision from an unlicensed, uninsured Ohio driver that crossed center. Surprisingly, I got decent money for the Rav. Paid $31k new and got $26,500.

    • 0 avatar

      Everyone okay?

      • 0 avatar

        Mostly. My wife and daughter were sound asleep at home when it happened. I have something skeletal in my ribcage but it is just sore. I did over 30 miles over 2 bike rides over the weekend, so I must not be too bad off.

        • 0 avatar

          Quentin, I’m sorry to hear about the accident and wish you a speedy, full recovery. Congrats on the 4Runner! What model did you get? I remember you fawning over the TRD Pro with me, did you get that or a Trail Premium? I guess 4Runners are a serial owner thing, once you get a taste you can’t quit! A ’14-’16 4Runner is definitely on the list of future vehicles for me, I just couldn’t justify the expense of upgrading when my ’96 has been such a trusty rig, a joy to own. I’ve averaged about 10k miles a year on mine and repairs have been absolutely minimal for a 20 year old vehicle. Not to mention I’d absolutely freak out if I damaged a brand new $35k+ truck, whereas I can afford to be more adventurous in the ’96 ie test the skidplate durability :p

          • 0 avatar

            gtemnykh, Thanks. I ended up going with the Trail Edition premium w/ KDSS. The TRD Pro, while looking great and having an amazing ride, doesn’t come with a moonroof. One of my favorite things to do with my old 4Runner was open the moonroof and the rear glass. Perfect ventilation without getting beat by the wind. So, no moonroof was strike 1. Strike 2 was when I showed my wife the Pro. It is a bit aggressive for a petit fashionista mom of one. The 4Runner will split duty between us as the family car, so her opinion does matter. All in all, I’m very happy with the Trail w/ KDSS. The handling is miles better than I remember in my 2010 SR5, the refreshed interior was a huge improvement (materials, styling, lighting), and the exterior refresh really hits that nice middle ground between functional and semi-premium.

            I’d hold on to your 3rd gen. Still the best looking 4Runner to date and getting few and far between. A friend’s father had a great 2000 Sport with a 5MT that he traded for a 2006 4Runner. I really wish he had let me know he was getting rid of it.

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            Agreed on the moonroof+ back window combination, it’s truly amazing how laminar the airflow is, even at 70+ mph. To think that the 4Runner engineers tested this in a windtunnel to make sure it worked this way is amazing to me. And yes the aesthetics of the 3rd gen, particularly the 96-98 before they got the “fat lip” front bumper is the peak of 4Runner design IMO, another reason why I’d have a hard time upgrading.

            Enjoy the new truck! I hear KDSS works wonders on-road, without it, the 5th gens are admittedly pretty wallowy without it (although I could care less).

    • 0 avatar

      Different insurance policies treat replacement value differently. Without a lot more information, it’s very difficult to consider an insurance payout to be representative of depreciation.

      • 0 avatar

        My insurance company gave me a breakdown of the payout. $26,500 was the replacement cost of the Rav, 5% on top of that for WV sales tax, $200 on top of that for registration and doc fees.

      • 0 avatar

        For most insurance companies, the payout is based on that model’s sales within a certain distance (hopefully 75 miles) and they then adjust for content. When I worked at an insurance company, we used JDPower for total loss data. We did our best to pay out what it would cost for someone to buy that vehicle from a dealership.

    • 0 avatar
      Kyree S. Williams

      Ouch. Crossover accidents can be extremely dangerous, especially when only the corners of the two vehicles collide. We’re all glad you’re okay.

  • avatar

    Yeay! Now can someone tell me what the is KBB value anyway? Just had a bunch of buyers for the car I was selling on Craigslist and autotrader telling me about the KBB values. I nodded and agreed fully, and then told them to go find another comparable car that was less than my price which was about 20% higher than the KBB value for excellent condition. sold for $150 less than my price.

    BTW, autotrader generated exactly zero leads. Which was a bit of a surprise.

  • avatar

    Any guesses on which ones are the worst? Dodge Journey,Dart,Accent, Equus come to mind..

    • 0 avatar

      Civic Hybrid

      *Due to Bball reminder.

      • 0 avatar

        My 2010 MkT had an original MSRP of $59,000. I purchased it in 2013 for $22,500. That is not good.

        • 0 avatar

          How could I have forgot!?

          • 0 avatar

            You are right about the MKS though. Bark and I have both talked about how it’s the best used car deal right now. You can find a 2014 MKS for in the low 20s. On an example he shared on Twitter, $24K would get you an 2014 MKS with well under 20K miles, all the options someone could need, and 5 more years of warranty. BRING ON THE CONTINENTAL!

          • 0 avatar

            If the Continental will have similar resale values, and it turns out the car is as nice as it seems it will be, might be an excellent used deal in the near future.

          • 0 avatar

            Even if it’s, say, $5K-$10K more than an equivalent MKS, it would still be a really good used deal. I have no idea what they are going to start out at new though.

        • 0 avatar

          But what did the original purchaser actually pay for it? Nowhere near $59K, I imagine. Unless they are astoundingly stupid.

          • 0 avatar

            It was leased so I don’t know. Right now, I could get a new one that stickers for $60K for $50K without trying (not that I’d want to). I don’t know how low they’d go though. I’d bet that monthly lease payment is what is usually negotiated though.

      • 0 avatar
        87 Morgan

        I think it is hard to represent the Volt as having poor resale, when each one comes with a built in rebate of 11k almost. Once you remove that from the equation, I think you will find it holds its own. The leaf however is another story.

      • 0 avatar

        The cars that hold their value best are of no interest to me, why would I buy a used car that holds its value. Likewise the worst don’t really interest me either, there usually a reason they are at the bottom (though the Regal and Equus are interesting). I’m more interested in cars in the 3rd quartile. These should be good cars with reputations they don’t deserve.

      • 0 avatar
        Kyree S. Williams

        Few Chrysler vehicles *do* hold their value. The Grand Cherokee and certain versions of the LX/LC cars (including Hellcat) might be it.

        My thing is, Chrysler cars, even the new, post-DaimlerChrysler ones, seem to have aged remarkably by the time the first owner trades them in. Creased leather, worn buttons and scratches where scratches just shouldn’t show up. It makes me really not want one.

        • 0 avatar

          Wranglers and pickups too. Many dealers wholesale brand new Wranglers as they get them.

          • 0 avatar
            Kyree S. Williams

            I meant to mention the Wrangler, but didn’t. Yes, like the 4Runner, it transacts for high prices on both the new and used market. And for good reason. I don’t care for it, personally, but it’s the only thing in its category, makes no promises it can’t fulfill, and people are willing to part with a lot of money for it.

  • avatar

    Aren’t these numbers somewhat volatile? For example, FCA is rolling out a new Wrangler in 2017. Surely the old ones, e.g. 2012-2016 will fall in price. Didn’t the same happen to Mustangs last year?

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      I would say it depends on whether the buying public considers it an upgrade or not. But, most buyers won’t care. For instance, *if* it doesn’t have solid axles then there’s certain buyers who’ll avoid it like the plague but for most it won’t matter one way or the other.

      So you’re probably right as long as FCA doesn’t do a major screw up.

  • avatar

    The trend over time, best resale for the year over several years, would be interesting to me. As Pate Zaitcev mentioned above, prices year-to-year can be volatile.

    • 0 avatar

      Prices year over year can be volatile because they are driven by how many people actually turn their old rides in for resale. And in MY area, people who own Subies and Lexii usually keep them until the wheels falls off, or the primary driver dies, or a brand new one tickles an owner’s fancy.

      Both used Subies and used Lexii are hard to come by in my area. And if they do become available, they’re scooped up by some reseller from back East and transported there for resale, for handsome money.

      • 0 avatar

        Funny you should mention Subies. They will pry my 2006 Forester 5 spd out of my cold, dead hands.

        • 0 avatar

          If you get a chance to go to mountainous snow country, i.e. Ski resorts, you may be amazed at how many Subies of all kinds have found their way up there around the lodges.

          Not everyone who loves to ski drives an Audi Quattro, Jeep Grand Cherokee, or other expensive 4×4.

          Subies stand out because they’re affordable, and with a little preventive maintenance care last a long, long time.

  • avatar

    Here’s the rub. This measures *projected* resale value. It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out.

    They gave some questionable picks.

    For instance:

    1. The Charger as second most valuable in the full size car segment
    2. The Macan, Evoque, and GLA over the RDX and NX.
    3. The LR4 over both the RX350 and MDX.
    4. The Camaro as #1 sporty car and #1 high performance car.

    As with most things, time will tell.

    • 0 avatar

      Kelly Blue Book is mostly fiction.

      1. Chrysler LX does not have favorable resale, I don’t even have to look it up in MMR.

      2. Evoque has surprisingly good resale, GLA and Macan will drop after the warranty periods expire. RDX and NX will remain steady with age (even if NXs started to blow up).

      3. I’ve got one MY14 LR4 for 45,5 @ 10K for base and several more at HSE between 44,5 and 51,0 with miles between 490 and 28K. MSRP started 51K in MY14. This isn’t bad, if we look at MY12 I see a range of 32,0 to 39,5 with miles between 22K and 51K. Considering 5yo LR models used to be able to be had for 5-7K <100K about ten years ago, I see our moneyed betters are staying with LR4. I don’t like the comparison with RX and MDX because unless LR4 radically changed, its a real SUV vs Camcord derived mommy-mobiles. Honda doesn’t make one but Lexus makes a GX which is similar to the LR4, which is a better comparison.

      4. I disagree, I’d say Mustang.

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        Certain LX cars do. Charger and Challenger notably. Scat packs, SRTs and Hellcats pull up the average considerably.

        It’s interesting that the Challenger wasn’t listed under high performance cars as it has consistently beat the Mustang and Camaro in resale with a residual in the mid 60% range after 36 mos. Even for lower trims 60% isn’t out of the question

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          SRT does about 5K better than R/T. Lost close to a 1/3rd for the cleanest to half for the roughest, SRT a slight bit better. This isn’t a particularly favorable resale but not bad either. We also have to remember both are essentially niche models. The run of the mill Charger’s best is 15,5 on a 25K starting msrp model, avg of the sample set being 11,5. Even at say 3K off from FCA, you’ve lost half your purchase at avg 60Kish miles in just the start of four MYs.

          MSRP of SRT8 started at 44K+dest.
          MSRP of R/T started at 30K+dest

          MY12 Dodge Challenger RWD V8 R/T

          11/19/15 ALBANY Regular $23,500 6,698 Above Black 8CY A Yes
          11/18/15 CEN FLA Regular $22,500 9,876 Above BLACK 8G A Yes
          12/10/15 TX HOBBY Regular $22,000 23,168 Avg SILVER 8G 6 Yes
          12/01/15 STATESVL Regular $21,500 29,610 Avg BLACK 8G 6 Yes
          12/11/15 PA Regular $20,700 30,841 Avg GREY 8G 6 Yes
          11/17/15 OHIO Regular $20,400 34,256 Avg RED 8G A Yes
          11/19/15 DFW Lease $18,800 38,214 Avg BLUE 8G 6 Yes
          12/03/15 SO CAL Regular $21,300 38,223 Avg BLUE 8G 6 Yes
          11/17/15 STATESVL Regular $22,000 48,734 Avg BLACK 8G M Yes
          11/25/15 NASHVILL Lease $15,500 54,739 Below BRT WHTE 8G A No
          11/18/15 DALLAS Regular $18,500 60,932 Avg RED 8G A Yes
          11/19/15 ATLANTA Lease $17,400 66,775 Avg BLUE 8G A Yes
          12/03/15 FRDKBURG Regular $17,900 75,303 Avg BLACK 8G A Yes
          11/19/15 PHOENIX Lease $14,600 75,756 Below RED 8G A Yes
          11/18/15 DALLAS Lease $14,200 96,858 Below BLACK 8G A Yes

          MY12 Dodge Challenger RWD V8 SRT8

          11/30/15 DIGITAL Regular $27,500 12,289 Avg YELLOW 8G A Yes
          12/02/15 NJ Regular $30,000 14,688 Above BLACK 8G A Yes
          12/11/15 PA Regular $31,750 17,857 Above BLACK 8G P Yes
          12/01/15 PHILLY Regular $28,500 23,675 Avg GRAY 8G 6 Yes
          11/25/15 CALIFORN Regular $28,750 24,319 Avg BLACK 8G A Yes
          11/19/15 PHOENIX Regular $26,200 29,772 Avg BLACK 8G A Yes
          12/02/15 CALIFORN Regular $27,000 32,543 Avg BLACK 8G 6 Yes
          11/18/15 SAN ANTO Regular $26,300 41,469 Avg GREY 8G A Yes
          12/14/15 NEVADA Regular $28,500 41,478 Avg SILVER 8G A Yes
          11/25/15 CALIFORN Regular $27,750 53,165 Avg WHITE 8G A Yes
          12/10/15 MISS Regular $26,700 57,380 Avg YELLOW 8G 6 Yes
          11/25/15 TAMPA Regular $25,400 65,035 Avg GRAY 8G A Yes
          11/19/15 ATLANTA Lease $25,500 68,934 Avg BLACK 8G 6 Yes
          12/03/15 FRDKBURG Regular $18,000 81,983 Below BLACK 8G 6 No
          12/01/15 ST LOUIS Regular $24,000 88,079 Below BLACK 8G A Yes

          MY12 Dodge Charger SE RWD V6

          2/02/15 MILWAUKE Lease $14,000 12,704 Above GRAY 6G A Yes
          12/01/15 RIVRSIDE Lease $14,000 32,469 Above BLACK 6G A Yes
          12/04/15 NEVADA Regular $15,500 36,436 Above RED 6G A Yes
          11/25/15 CALIFORN Regular $14,400 38,783 Above WHITE 6G A Yes
          12/02/15 CEN FLA Lease $14,500 44,567 Above WHITE 6G A Yes
          12/03/15 TX HOBBY Lease $13,600 46,890 Above WHTE 6G A Yes
          11/19/15 TX HOBBY Regular $13,800 49,692 Above DK BLUE 6G A Yes
          11/18/15 FT MYERS Regular $13,200 50,155 Above Gray 6CY A Yes
          12/02/15 SAN ANTO Regular $11,800 50,404 Avg GRAY 6G A Yes
          12/10/15 ALBANY Regular $12,200 53,887 Avg WHITE 6G A Yes
          12/10/15 SO CAL Regular $13,750 54,268 Above GRAY 6G A Yes
          12/03/15 ATLANTA Lease $11,800 57,092 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
          11/19/15 FRDKBURG Lease $12,100 58,213 Avg WHITE 6G A Yes
          11/25/15 MINNEAP Lease $12,700 59,960 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
          11/19/15 DETROIT Lease $12,300 60,935 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
          12/09/15 NASHVILL Lease $12,500 60,952 Avg BRT WHTE 6G A Yes
          11/17/15 BALTWASH Lease $12,800 60,972 Avg GRAY 6G A Yes
          12/07/15 MILWAUKE Lease $10,500 61,680 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
          12/10/15 ATLANTA Lease $14,100 61,686 Above BLACK 6G A Yes
          11/18/15 SAN ANTO Lease $11,200 62,244 Avg BLUE 6G A Yes
          11/17/15 ST LOUIS Regular $11,200 62,857 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
          11/17/15 STATESVL Regular $13,000 64,238 Avg CHARCOAL 6G A Yes
          12/07/15 NC Lease $13,100 64,333 Avg WHITE 6G A Yes
          12/09/15 DALLAS Regular $11,600 64,712 Avg WHITE 6G A Yes
          11/25/15 FT MYERS Regular $11,600 64,994 Avg WHITE 6G A Yes
          11/24/15 DALLAS Lease $12,000 65,032 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
          12/01/15 RIVRSIDE Regular $10,000 65,160 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
          11/24/15 HOUSTON Regular $13,400 65,232 Above SILVER 6G A Yes
          12/02/15 DALLAS Lease $11,900 65,623 Avg SLIVER 6G A Yes
          11/19/15 LOUISVLL Lease $9,800 65,961 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
          12/02/15 NASHVILL Regular $13,000 68,584 Avg BLUE 6G A Yes
          12/07/15 NC Lease $11,100 69,290 Avg RED 6G A Yes
          12/09/15 DALLAS Lease $12,600 70,067 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
          12/08/15 STATESVL Regular $11,700 74,383 Avg GREY 6G A Yes
          12/02/15 SAN ANTO Regular $12,200 74,674 Avg RED 6G A Yes
          11/25/15 SAN ANTO Lease $10,200 74,990 Avg GRAY 6G A Yes
          11/25/15 MILWAUKE Lease $10,800 79,461 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
          11/17/15 ORLANDO Lease $11,100 80,633 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
          11/19/15 DETROIT Lease $9,500 81,262 Below BLACK 6G A Yes
          11/25/15 SAN ANTO Lease $10,200 84,109 Avg WHITE 6G A Yes
          12/02/15 NEWORLNS Lease $10,600 84,952 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
          12/09/15 MILWAUKE Lease $10,700 85,887 Avg GREY 6G A Yes
          12/11/15 FT LAUD Regular $10,300 86,080 Avg WHITE 6G A Yes
          11/25/15 NEW MEX Lease $11,600 86,245 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
          12/10/15 PHOENIX Lease $10,700 88,600 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
          11/16/15 NC Lease $10,500 89,280 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
          12/10/15 TX HOBBY Lease $10,300 90,713 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
          12/08/15 OHIO Lease $9,400 92,176 Below BLACK 6G A Yes
          12/10/15 TX HOBBY Lease $8,400 96,513 Below BLACK 6G A Yes
          11/19/15 CHICAGO Lease $8,600 98,528 Below SILVER 6G P Yes
          12/02/15 TUCSON Regular $9,600 104,891 Below BLACK 6G A Yes
          11/17/15 NASHVILL Lease $9,500 109,099 Below BLACK 6G A Yes
          12/03/15 TX HOBBY Regular $12,200 109,127 Avg BLACK 6G A No
          12/08/15 HOUSTON Lease $12,200 109,455 Avg WHITE 6G A No
          12/09/15 DALLAS Lease $9,300 110,684 Below SILVER 6G A Yes
          11/25/15 CEN FLA Lease $8,600 112,515 Below BLACK 6G A Yes
          11/16/15 FRDKBURG Regular $9,800 127,095 Avg WHITE 6G Yes
          11/25/15 NORTHSTR Lease $8,100 132,932 Below TUNGSTEN 6G A Yes
          12/09/15 CALIFORN Regular $12,000 138,231 Avg WHITE 6G A No

          • 0 avatar

            50% residual at 4 years is actually pretty good and above average.

          • 0 avatar

            I take it you’ve never tried to buy a Camcord about four years old? How about a Subaru anything at this point at 4 years old? Lex RX? Strong resale and demand converge to create an expensive used car experience.

            The Charger will continue to sink until the 30-40% range at the earliest and now you’re out of warranty on a Chrysler product that’s only worth 7K at best? What happens when it goes boom? At ten years depending on condition you’re looking at 3K-4K ride which will now need all standard maintenance not including premature component or system failures as they may happen. This is how people go car poor. Maybe some believe 25% residual is good after ten years? I’d rather buy a late model clean/avg Lex at 40% of its original cost (even if it was an MY05) and get quick money back out of it after five years. I can sell a nice Lex to a diverse crowd.

            Challenger I’d have to plot. Its a different car with a different motor and different demographic closer to Corvette than gang-banger or “that thing got a Hemi?” style hicks. Maybe those will fare better? I would certainly think its a car you could sell if you had to in order to get quick money. Even a dealer might give you half decent money instead of hitting you over the head on some avg to rough Charger V6 they don’t want as they are a dime a dozen. Things might be very different in Canada, I really don’t know.

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            I hate to be a dick, but what is it that you do? IT or something? Your impressions from afar do not reality make.

            This is my business and KBB’s business as well.

          • 0 avatar

            No offense taken, I work in IT and I haven’t actively worked in the auto business in nearly a decade although I maintain ties to folks who do. Other than using calculations I learned during that period and current MMR data, my opinions are based on what I saw and did at the time. I realize you are living in Canada and are in the business currently which lends significant weight to your statements. I also realize the Charger is not an Intrepid to which I am more familiar but the end result is the same as is the used model target demographic in the US. I concede Canadian sales, as well as the overall new-used wholesale market, may be far different than what I envision and I do respect your opinions.

  • avatar

    Was pretty surprised to see the GS as #1 in resale value since it’s not in particularly high demand based on sales numbers and I don’t recall it having great resale value. But then I realized that it’s basically competing against cars whose values basically fall off a cliff, like a BMW 7 series. So the bar is set pretty low lol.

    • 0 avatar
      Kyree S. Williams

      The GS competes against the 5-Series, actually. But the 5-Series depreciates quickly, too. You can generally expect to pay $4K more for a similarly-equipped GS on the used market than a 5-Series. I think two reasons that the GS has higher resale values are:

      a) It doesn’t feel as disposable as the 5-Series, and is likelier to have a higher usable life, and,

      b) There aren’t as many GS units on the pre-owned market. By contrast, you can find a 5-Series quite easily since BMW whores that model out out on lease promotions and such, so no one is willing to pay too much for any particular unit.

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      Edmunds took a big hit on thier long term GS F-sport in the same state that Edmund’s is located.

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        Oh, good, anecdote-Norm is back. What Buick are you driving to 60mpg while street racing (and crushing) V6 Camrys?

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          Sometimes I think you don’t realize how unpleasant you come across round here. It’s very often.

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            You say unpleasant, I say asking that people to show their work.

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            There’s a difference in “May I see your calculations?” and “That’s bullsh!t, prove it.”

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            Corey, be nice. Norm’s anecdotes are quite entertaining whether he provides data or not and Quentin is simply referencing them.

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            And there is a way to say that someone has missed your point without the condescending “that’s OK” like above.

            Mostly everything I say that is snarky is generally good natured. You can’t see my grin and wink through the computer screen, though. I honestly haven’t seen Norm around here in a while.

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            Oh make no mistake, I was referencing very generally not this instance in particular.

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            And, fair enough I suppose.

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            You all suck


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            I’ve got a lot of problems with you people! And now you’re going to hear about it!

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            Bring it! The holiday airing of grievances.

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            No, not the feats of strength.

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            Kruger, my son says your company stinks!

            I have considered a festivus pole. Much less messy than a Christmas tree.

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            We have all found the right place on the internet for us.

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            Wait, there is an internet mental hospital?

            GEORGE: (desperate) Steinbrenner had me committed! I’m in the nuthouse!

            DEENA: I’ll be back same time next week, Pop.

            GEORGE: (quieter desperation) They took my belt, Jerry. I got nothing to hold my pants up. (listens) Well, you gotta come over here now! Just tell ’em what we talked about, how I, how I, I didn’t do the project.

            Deena spots George as she makes her way out of the room.

            DEENA: George?

            George looks like his salvation has arrived. He hangs up the phone.

            DEENA: I see you’re finally getting some help.

            GEORGE: Aw, hoh, oh Deena, thank God. (he hugs Deena) Thank God you’re here. Listen, you gotta help me. You gotta tell these people that I’m okay. You know that I don’t belong in here.

            DEENA: George, this is the best thing for you. (she walks away)

            GEORGE: Yea… (sinks in) What? No, no!

            As he tries to follow Deena, the orderly grabs hold of him and restrains him.

            GEORGE: Deena! Deena, wait a… Deena, help!

            George is almost in tears and hops from foot to foot in frustration as the orderly holds him. Pop Lazzari wanders over.

            POP: Is that little Georgie C? How’s the folks? You still got that nice little car?

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        Norm! (think “Cheers”)

        How did you manage to escape Area 51?

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