By on December 23, 2014

Christmas has come early! Our very own [email protected] has sent us his review of the TESLA MODEL S P85D. Enjoy.

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  • avatar
    jfbramfeld

    It turns out no matter how awesome your phone camera is, it looks terrible if you wave it around. Try transitioning between shots with the camera off.

  • avatar
    ellomdian

    Would prefer not to give BTSR the hit, and he’s still using a potato to shoot video; how many times did he talk about either Aluminum body construction sucking, electric and hybrid cars being a scam, or that Maserati they let him drive around for a day this time last year?

    • 0 avatar
      Landcrusher

      Don’t forget the raft of things that will never happen. His crystal ball seems a bit cracked.

      • 0 avatar
        koshchei

        I love the laboured breathing, awful grammar, and rambling pseudo-narrative.

        This “review” came across more like footage accidentally shot by an escaped gorilla aimlessly wandering around a parking garage with an iPhone (not Galaxy) than it did an informative overview of the Tesla S.

    • 0 avatar
      beastpilot

      I’ll watch this after he posts the review of the Viperjet (experimental jet aircraft, 5 in the world) which he promised 6 months ago and never followed up on.

  • avatar
    craiger

    Too much goddamned camera motion.

  • avatar
    Steinweg

    Good grief. This is the sort of dreck even Jalopnik wouldn’t put out on anything but a slow Sunday. “Hi and welcome to my stream of consciousness video where I tell you nothing new and wave this iPhone (not Galaxy) back and forth for 8 straight minutes in a parking garage. Like me!”

  • avatar
    raresleeper

    Just when you think you’ve seen it all… there’s an “Insane Mode”.

    BTW, where does one find a clip to hold that tablet on the dash like that? That’s cute. ?

    But I really had to jump on this and witness BTSR’s uprising. It wouldn’t be official BTSR Propaganda without a shout-out to FCA and all things Hemi.

  • avatar
    doctorv8

    BTS, did you really claim that the P85D is faster than a Veyron Supersport? And a “Ferrari,”(though no model was specified)? A little hyperbole there, no?

    While it might take a RWD 458 Italia off the line for 50-100 feet, the Ferrari would absolutely murder it after that, running at least 1/2 sec faster in the 1/4 mile. It would only get worse from there. The Veyron, esp in SS trim, will mop the floor with a P85D from any speed.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      As far as I can tell BTSR is concerned only with 0-freeway speed (70-80). The P85D is very close to the 458 0-60 (obviously will be much slower at higher speeds). Both do the trick in about 3 seconds. But “faster,” no, not at all.

      • 0 avatar
        doctorv8

        The fact that he confuses “faster” with “quicker from 0-30 at best” points to a level of cluelessness about performance cars. The mere mention of a Veyron, in SuperSport trim, no less, confirms it.

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

    I would be embarrassed to post such a poorly produced video to the internet. Learn to hold the camera still, and learn how to use iMovie to edit this garbage down to the one minute of actual useful info.

    And I could care less what the author drives or how well his Tesla stock is doing.

    • 0 avatar
      theupperonepercent

      “and learn how to use iMovie to edit this garbage down to the one minute of actual useful info.”

      +1,000,000

      But in fairness, didn’t he make a shorter “2 minute” video showing “Insane Mode”?

  • avatar
    cartunez

    Makes me want one even more. I can’t wait till they start selling certified pre owned ones.

  • avatar
    energetik9

    Wow, a lot of people really jumping on the video shoot. Regardless of how much stock he claims to have, I like the car. Tesla is incredibly popular around here. Honestly, I had to look up some 0-60 times. So the P85D is faster 0-60 than a Huaracan and Hellcat, but slower than the Ferrari 458 Especiale. But seriously, that speed is amazing. We all know people are not buying this car as a sleeper and it will not compete in a track competition. I still think it’s pretty impressive for what it is.

  • avatar
    theupperonepercent

    I love you for posting this Derek!!!

    This is my dream second car and after some depreciation, I’m going to buy one!

    • 0 avatar
      tonycd

      Derek, please don’t post this as if it had the credibility of the site’s own reviews. You’re gonna hurt TTAC’s credibility with new visitors.

      Label it as “Big Truck’s Baggage” or something.

  • avatar

    Low oil prices… that will put a damper on any expectations to put a mainstream electric car on the market any time soon.

    • 0 avatar
      mcs

      Maybe not. There’s a lot to like about EVs beyond fuel economy. How many Tesla buyers really care about saving money on gas given their income level. I like the smoothness, quiet and the torque. I’d go for an electric even if the electricity cost more than gas. I’ve even mastered regen mode to the point that in heavy traffic I can control the car with just the throttle pedal and rarely touch the brake pedal.

    • 0 avatar
      SCE to AUX

      Low oil prices hurt hybrids, not EVs. EVs cost 1/3 to 1/6 to operate compared to an ICE, so gasoline would have to drop to $0.50 or so to really hurt EVs.

      Also, what do you mean by ‘mainstream’? The Leaf and Model S aren’t mainstream enough? For example, the Leaf outsells every Infiniti and Porsche model.

      • 0 avatar
        beastpilot

        Hmm….

        Tesla battery- $40,000.
        Half life of battery- 100,000 miles / 50% capacity, when you are likely to replace it

        Appears from here that a Tesla costs at a minimum of 40 cents a MILE to drive. Which is 10 MPG at $4 a gallon.

        Get the battery down to $10,000 and it’s still 10 cents a mile, which is $3 per 30 miles, pretty much where we are today with a normal car.

        I say all of this as someone that desperately wants a Tesla, but knows full well that it’s not financially intelligent.

        • 0 avatar
          mcs

          What’s your source for the $40,000 battery cost?

          • 0 avatar
            beastpilot

            That’s what a Tesla rep told me the current cost was about a year ago when I was looking at buying one.

            There’s other sources too though:
            http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/119799-could-a-bricked-tesla-battery-cost-you-40000

            But, as I say, it’s still an issue if the battery is $10,000.

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            The “other” source in the link you provided is two years old and was about the roadster. Tesla is deploying the battery swap stations now and we should have a real number on a new battery soon. Until then, I wouldn’t trust any numbers unless they are in writing directly from Tesla. Also, many reports of the $40k cost estimates don’t include the trade-in value of the core.

            There’s the question of whether you really need the full capacity of the battery and can get by with the diminished capacity. Personally, I’d be just fine with a Model 60 at 50% capacity based on my experience as an EV owner with an occasional 100 mile round trip commute and a typical 20 to 50 mile round trip.

            $10,000 too much? Check out the maintenance costs of the typical $100,000 car and suddenly that number won’t look so bad.

        • 0 avatar
          hybridkiller

          “I say all of this as someone that desperately wants a Tesla, but knows full well that it’s not financially intelligent.”

          At the risk of sounding like Captain Obvious, this is a big luxury car that competes directly with S Class / 7 Series / A8 type cars. All are north of $100K and the $$$ depreciation on all of them makes any discussion of cost-per-mile moot IMO.

          I’ll be the first one to point out that most wealthy people didn’t get that way by being careless with their money, but I think the choice of Tesla vs an ICE luxury car is more about global consciousness (i.e. dependence on fossil fuels) than about saving money (there’s probably more than a little “buy American” sentiment in there too).

          Oh, and TORQUE.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            ” but I think the choice of Tesla vs an ICE luxury car is more about global consciousness (i.e. dependence on fossil fuels)”

            … and as we all know Teslas run on Pixie Dust, so yes, thank you Captain Obvious

          • 0 avatar
            hybridkiller

            I don’t think most of us are under any illusion that electricity isn’t still primarily generated by burning fossil fuels (coal), but if people don’t start buying plug-in cars in significant numbers then there’s less impetus for advancing battery tech and efficiency of these things.
            Some of us take a longer view on this stuff than others…

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Says the man who goes by Turbocharged Direct Injection Hybridkiller

          • 0 avatar
            hybridkiller

            I’m routinely making 500-600 mile trips, so a PHEV doesn’t make sense for me, as I’m getting better hwy mpg than just about any hybrid except for maybe a Prius, and the Golf is a helluva lot more fun to drive.

            And I’m guilty of do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do in a lot of things. I’m a good preacher / bad role model ;-}

          • 0 avatar
            beastpilot

            The only reason I brought up the numbers was in contrast against the comment “EVs cost 1/3 to 1/6 to operate compared to an ICE, so gasoline would have to drop to $0.50 or so to really hurt EVs.”

            Tesla is not an EV like most others. It’s a luxury car first, with a different drivetrain. Nobody buys one to save money. It seems we’re all in agreement. I guess I had a second point which was to show just how much the Tesla can cost to operate, and how irrelevant gas costs are when it comes to luxury cars.

            I’m probably an awesome example of the real Tesla market- I went in looking at a Tesla P85 a year ago, for the performance, and I’m an electrical engineer so it just fits my general lifestyle. No way I would buy the non P85 model. I couldn’t justify the price though. Ended up with a used E60 M5, getting all of 12 MPG. It has 60,000 miles on it, cost $108,000 new, and depreciated over $1 per mile it was driven before I got it. I paid about the same for it as the OPTION on the Tesla to go from the 60KWh to the P85.

            Sorry environment. Clearly I was never that serious about you. It’s you, not me. You’re great. You’ll find someone that deserves you someday.

            I drive 7,500 miles a year. If the Tesla was 100% free for electricity, at $4 a gallon the max the M5 costs in fuel is $2,500 a year. Absolutely nothing for someone willing to purchase a $100K+ car brand new. In my state, sales tax on the car is $10K, which is already 4+ years of fuel costs!

            But OMG, yes, torque. I will own a Tesla someday when they depreciate like all $100K+ cars to after about 6 years.

  • avatar
    mor2bz

    Looks like some serious panel gaps in the trunk.

    This review does not point out one demerit or fault. Is the car really perfect? What about tire cost, battery cost?

    I did hear the word “fast” about a hundred times.

  • avatar
    redliner

    I got as far as (and I’m paraphrasing) “filmed on my super duper better than yours iPhone, but not Galaxy, because ME ME ME!” before clicking it off.

    Seriously, this is TTAC?

    • 0 avatar
      piro

      That part was especially painful. A pretty poor video, to be honest, and rotating the iPhone when the video ended up cropped so you just had black bars? What a terrible idea.

      Shot by someone who has no idea what good video quality is…

      Fantastic car, though.

    • 0 avatar
      DevilsRotary86

      I know people think that their phones can do it all, and I admit that I now rely on my phone for taking most family photos. However, for certain tasks (like this one) nothing beats having a proper camera with a proper mount with proper lighting.

  • avatar
    Bowler300

    I made it to 1:06. This video is not up to the standards I expect from TTAC.

  • avatar
    TOTitan

    Everything about that was horrible especially the camera work that seemed to have the attention span of a gnat. It is amusing how people rave about their iphone 6’s that have almost, but not quite caught up to the capabilities of my 2 1/2 year old LG Optimus G android device.

  • avatar
    brandloyalty

    What some people don’t understand that some people will buy EV’s and hybrids even if gas was free. Yes, some do it to save money, but since the savings typically take a while to realize and usually are not huge, there must be some other motivation. What I don’t get is what is so difficult to understand about wanting to burn less gas.

  • avatar
    vvk

    I cannot watch this. Youtube motion reduction gives me a headache. I am so seasick from watching it for about a minute!

    This guys needs to invest in a tripod.

  • avatar
    Davekaybsc

    TTAC really scraping the bottom of the barrel today for content. This should be retitled: “Here’s a thing we saw.”

  • avatar
    petezeiss

    Proof that every ethnic group has its Jethro Bodines.

  • avatar
    suspekt

    This is a low point in TTAC history.

    If you read the comments section of BTSR’s various reviews, you will see an alarming degree vitriolic exchanges.

    I have nothing against BTSR, but I won’t be visiting the channel out of self respect.

  • avatar
    michal1980

    I tired to finish but it just wasn’t possible

  • avatar

    With all due respect, the I8 is NOT “flying off the shelf.”

    • 0 avatar
      ccd1

      BMW is not exactly sharing sales data from what I can find. BMW forecasts that they will sell every i8 they produced. First, they could be wrong and second this is a limited production car so this is no great feat.

    • 0 avatar
      SCE to AUX

      Correct. They are selling roughly 100/month. Not bad for a very expensive car, but not Tesla volume by a long shot. Time will tell.

      “http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/03/bmw-i8-sales-figures-usa-canada.html”

    • 0 avatar
      mcs

      >> With all due respect, the I8 is NOT “flying off the shelf.”

      David, could it possibly be the 60 to 100%+ ADM markups some of your dealer buddies are tacking onto the sticker?? I ran a search on autotrader and found about 83, both ADM’d and MSRP. If they’re not moving, where’s the cash on the hood and why do some of these clowns think they can get away with tacking $100k onto the sticker price?

    • 0 avatar
      bunkie

      I saw one parked on East 53rd street in Manhattan the other evening. That was my first sighting in the wild and makes it even with i3 sightings.

  • avatar
    ccd1

    This was pretty dreadful. The claims for this car were total crap. The Tesla is a very good electric car, one of the best on the market, but it is no super car and the reviewer should know this. There is more to super cars than 0-60 times

  • avatar
    ravenchris

    So he’s not dead, that’s good.
    Now slather him with constructive criticism.

  • avatar
    Fenian

    Please don’t let TTAC go down this route.

  • avatar
    johnhowington

    bring back that german racist, TTAC was more fun when i was banned.

  • avatar
    VoGo

    Big Trucks and I are definitely at opposite ends of the carguy spectrum, but I have to give him credit for contributing to the community. Respek!

  • avatar
    VenomV12

    Well that was extremely painful.

  • avatar
    Mark_Miata

    I have been reading TTAC for since the Farrago days, and this video is one of the worst things I’ve ever seen posted outside the comments section. The camera work is terrible, the narration repetitious,and the opinions juvenile.

    Please, don’t do this again. I trust this website to deliver content that is consistently interesting – that’s why I click on the links you select. Do something like this another time or two and you’ll have lost my trust.

  • avatar
    ...m...

    …man, f*ck the critique: this sort of extemporaneous first-person comment has value and offers a heck of a lot more honest impression than most produced and edited “reviews” on other popular media…

    …thanks, BTSR, for putting it all out on line…

    • 0 avatar
      koshchei

      Yeah, because people just rambling about stuff they know very little about is a valuable tool in the arsenal of social and cultural discourse.

      Thanks, BTSR, for creating a sock puppet…

  • avatar
    hybridkiller

    Did anyone count how many times he said “and whatnot”?

    btw, my Samsung phone is awesome and my HomeDepot stock has me absolutely giddy with delight…
    There, I just contributed to the community.

  • avatar
    hifi

    This was a terrible, terrible video. Just a bunch of endless babble and too amateurish to finish. Great car, worthless TTAC content.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    Sorry, BTSR, I’m in your corner, but I couldn’t get through more than 3 minutes – just too hard to watch, and not very much to the point.

    Here’s a good review of the P85D, with no video at all, written by an actual Tesla owner:

    “http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1096026_2014-tesla-model-s-p85d-first-drive-of-all-electric-awd-performance-sedan”

  • avatar
    30-mile fetch

    I would rather TTAC be a source of original content, not a traffic router and income generator for someone else’s pre-existing Youtube channel.

    Whatever happened to the written readers reviews that were supposedly going to be a new thing around here? A few were published and then that stopped, even though a prior post by TTAC staff invited readers to contribute material. There are some commenters here from whom I’d be genuinely interested in seeing this kind of review.

    Readers reviews may have some inherent flaws, but are far more interesting to me than a link to an 18 minute (!) video that is already posted on Youtube.

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

    News flash: $100,000 car is really nice.

    In other news, water is wet.

    .

  • avatar
    SteelyMoose

    I did not watch the video, but from everyone’s description, it sounds like the visual equivalent of CAPS LOCK. Why am I not surprised?

  • avatar
    hybridkiller

    Actually it was more like the visual equivalent of holding down the period key…………………………………………………….

    If you’re a fan of the phrase “and whatnot” however, you’ll love it………………………………….

  • avatar
    Avatar77

    The same site that employs Jack Baruth publishes this garbage video on its front page? Talk about highs and lows of editorial standards. Good lord.

  • avatar
    Ubermensch

    This really makes me miss Alex Dykes reviews.

    I seriously can’t believe that TTAC has stooped so low to just posting links to this blowhards dreck.

  • avatar
    White Shadow

    Thanks for all the comments. Now I won’t waste my time actually watching the video. I never cared much for that guy’s attitude and comments.

  • avatar
    Q

    Yikes. The community here is pretty harsh. I agree the piece isn’t that great, but I did enjoy some of it, and the parts that made my eyes roll into the back of my head make it kind of funny.

  • avatar
    Travis

    The video is awful quality, but props to BTSR and putting his stuff together and sticking with it. I’ve tried several times to do something similar, and my brain simply will not let it happen. I disagree with a lot of what he says and he’s not particularly interesting or flair-like enough to keep me connected in some way. Up production value and spend some time organizing your thoughts and script some shit out. I wish I could do the same.

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