Piston Slap: Two Turbos And One Lead Foot

Sajeev Mehta
by Sajeev Mehta

Fast Driver writes:

I used to be a major hooligan, taking cloverleaf offramps every morning at speed in my E46 3 Series with tires squealing and occasional stability control intervention. I also enjoyed revving the German machinery to about 3500 rpms and dropping the clutch for a warp speed launch. After 20 or so launches like that with the car, nothing broke, fell off, or otherwise malfunctioned. It’s like the car was made for that kind of abuse.


My latest question related to my 2009 335i sedan with auto trans. When I give it full throttle from a dead stop, the stability light goes crazy and the car seems to be moving slowly. Is this because if it were to unleash 300 ft.. lbs. to the tires the car would be sitting there spinning its wheels mercilessly and for an eternity? Theoretically, what would happen if I activated the DTC (first level) and tried this?

Would it allow the tires to spin freely before launch or would it give me a nice “chirp” and faster launch compared to when all stability/traction controls are active as described above? I know the simple answer is “try it” but these runflats are something like $1,200 a set and my wife would not approve.

Another question is what would likely happen if I turned off all stability/traction controls (second level; everything off) and floored it from a dead stop. Would the tires spin until RPMs reached 3500 and then the tires would hook up (in a cloud of very expensive tire smoke)? Maybe the answer again is “try it” but with no kind of safety net and the risk of getting arrested along with serious mechanical abuse, I am not inclined to.

My final question relates to the real power of the twin turbo motor. Automobile magazine and others have dynoed this engine and surmise that it is making more than the rated 300 hp and 300 ft lbs given that it can get to 60 mph in 4.8 (3560 lbs. curb weight) and do the quarter mile in 13.5. I know that the engine is tremendously powerful. I can spin the tires (as indicated by the blinking stability control light on the dash) in first, second, and sometimes when downshifting into third, which makes me assume that there’s more than the rated horsepower or torque there.

What do you think? Thanks!

Sajeev Replies:

Just in case it isn’t common knowledge, we’re talking about holeshot techniques this time ‘round on Piston Slap. Question is, do you want to make a scene and hear the noise Hollywood style, or beat the clock by pushing your skills to the limit? Because launching is a technique best served with 20+ practice runs in a race setting where you can monitor your 60-foot elapsed times.

Which is a real nice way of saying that you need to get your car on a drag strip. So do it already!

You won’t waste your tires once you learn that spinning wheels equals slow elapsed times. Get the lead out of your shoes and start practicing your launch technique without traction control assists. You are better than the electronic nannies, unless you own a SL65 Black Series with insane torque on a tight suspension. With practice, it will come.

To your second question, yes the 335i’s are underrated from the factory. And they respond quite well to ECU modifications, just like any other modern vehicle with hairdryers in the exhaust (i.e. Turbocharger). If you go the tuning route, the stock runflat tires will be even more of a joke: you’ll need summer tires with normal sidewalls. Not only are they faster and quieter, I suspect you and your wife will appreciate the price advantage too.

(Send your queries to mehta@ttac.com)

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  • Guyincognito Guyincognito on Jan 13, 2010

    Get new wheels and tires and hoon the crap out of it! I'd recommend the DFORCE LTW5 wheels, forged, 17lbs & like $250 each. For the cost of a set of crappy run flats you can have wheels and Dirrezza Star Spec summer tires. My GF just got a 335i aut0 (it was better than not getting a 335i) and I don't imagine I will ever drive it with the traction control on or without burning out on my set of summer wheels and tires.

  • Carve Carve on Jan 14, 2010

    I'm also a 335i driver. Any dirty road surface or bump will send the stability control (DSC) on, killing your power. It's very sensitive. At the strip, I was able to get a 13.6 @ 105 mph quarter mile (at high altitude- about one mile) by going from DSC to DTC, which allows for quite a bit of spin. That was my first ever time at a drag strip. I also have a JB+ piggyback, which normally I keep turned down pretty far or remove altogether for durability reasons, but turn it up at the strip. Great device- I recommend it as the best bang for buck and easiest to remove mod out there. I think I could shave more time off by practicing an unassisted launch, and by getting rid of those terrible RFTs. I think I'll get some Hankook Ventus Evos when I get the snow tires off. For a good launch, make sure it's clean, smooth pavement. Put it in DS, go to DTC or no traction control at all, brake torque to about 1800-2000 rpm (depends on traction), and let off the brake and floor it, possibly easing into flooring it if traction is weak. The 335i automatic makes about 3,700 lb ft at the wheels in first gear from 2000-5000 rpm, making assumptions for driveline loss, but NOT considering torque amplification from the torque converter, or considering that the power is likely underated.

  • Kjhkjlhkjhkljh kljhjkhjklhkjh A prelude is a bad idea. There is already Acura with all the weird sport trims. This will not make back it's R&D money.
  • Analoggrotto I don't see a red car here, how blazing stupid are you people?
  • Redapple2 Love the wheels
  • Redapple2 Good luck to them. They used to make great cars. 510. 240Z, Sentra SE-R. Maxima. Frontier.
  • Joe65688619 Under Ghosn they went through the same short-term bottom-line thinking that GM did in the 80s/90s, and they have not recovered say, to their heyday in the 50s and 60s in terms of market share and innovation. Poor design decisions (a CVT in their front-wheel drive "4-Door Sports Car", model overlap in a poorly performing segment (they never needed the Altima AND the Maxima...what they needed was one vehicle with different drivetrain, including hybrid, to compete with the Accord/Camry, and decontenting their vehicles: My 2012 QX56 (I know, not a Nissan, but the same holds for the Armada) had power rear windows in the cargo area that could vent, a glass hatch on the back door that could be opened separate from the whole liftgate (in such a tall vehicle, kinda essential if you have it in a garage and want to load the trunk without having to open the garage door to make room for the lift gate), a nice driver's side folding armrest, and a few other quality-of-life details absent from my 2018 QX80. In a competitive market this attention to detai is can be the differentiator that sell cars. Now they are caught in the middle of the market, competing more with Hyundai and Kia and selling discounted vehicles near the same price points, but losing money on them. They invested also invested a lot in niche platforms. The Leaf was one of the first full EVs, but never really evolved. They misjudged the market - luxury EVs are selling, small budget models not so much. Variable compression engines offering little in terms of real-world power or tech, let a lot of complexity that is leading to higher failure rates. Aside from the Z and GT-R (low volume models), not much forced induction (whether your a fan or not, look at what Honda did with the CR-V and Acura RDX - same chassis, slap a turbo on it, make it nicer inside, and now you can sell it as a semi-premium brand with higher markup). That said, I do believe they retain the technical and engineering capability to do far better. About time management realized they need to make smarter investments and understand their markets better.
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