Piston Slap: May The Best Car Lose, Mr. Lutz: Mehta Challenges Cadillac's HT4100

Sajeev Mehta
by Sajeev Mehta

Yours truly, Sajeev Mehta writes:

Hello Piston Slappers, this S.O.S. is for anyone GM-savvy enough to tango with a 4.1L Cadillac. And live to diagnose another day: are you up for the challenge?

I acquired a 1986 Fleetwood 75 Formal Limousine (1 of 1000), which made me reconsider my stance on wrong-wheel drive GM products of the mid 1980s This was a $0.99 eBay purchase from a frustrated shipping company in the Houston Ship Channel who lost their overseas buyer. It didn’t run, until we installed a $20 ignition module. Which brought the less-than-a-buck Caddy back to life. Almost. So what’s the problem?

Tech Overload Warning! After fresh oil, coolant, belt, filters, vacuum lines, T-stat and a successful compression test, the trouble-prone HT4100 (at 84,000 miles) cannot idle below 1200 rpm, is hard to start, stalls going into gear and generates an E30 (ISC RPM Out Of Range) code. The ISC motor works and seems to be adjusted correctly. The TPS sensor is fine, according to the (ingenious) self-test on the dashboard. But these items needed replacement: coil, radiator, temperature sensor and alternator. While currently under $500 of capital invested, I’m now officially weary of throwing parts at this


problem.

So I am leaning toward addressing the Internet’s two biggest beefs with this Caddy: intake manifold gaskets (is there a horrendous vacuum leak?) or a worn distributor gear. There is some slack in the rotor, but those intake gaskets might be on their way out. Any guesses on resolving my problem? How offbeat is my latest diagnosis?

(Don’t waste bandwidth telling me to scrap the car: this Fleetwood has Farago-worthy levels of Cadillac brand equity in its copious hindquarters. Even the staffers at the 24 Hours of LeMons are in love. Chat with Autoblog’s Jonny Lieberman and Jalopnik’s Murilee Martin if you don’t believe me. More on that later.)

[Send your technical queries to mehta@ttac.com]

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  • Sajeev Mehta Sajeev Mehta on Oct 26, 2009

    +1 for the Doc. MadHungarian : No kidding! We saw the black Fleetwood's auction in February (I think) and the seller needed a full month to get a title to legally dump it on someone. I just consider ourselves lucky the Caddy didn't make a one way trip to Pick-A-Part when it got a proper TX title.

  • Jordan Tenenbaum Jordan Tenenbaum on Oct 27, 2009

    Always glad to see another HT4100 brought back to life. I once owned an `85 Brougham (RWD) equipped with the HT4100. I picked it up for free from someone who couldn't get it running. Turned out to be a rusted-through gas line. Fixed that, and then drove it around for awhile until the exhaust fell off and the transmission started doing its "start in the wrong gear" thing. I sold it to a guy for $400 and as far as I know he still has it. I would have repaired it and kept it, but it had a bunch of rust spots all over.

  • MaintenanceCosts Poorly packaged, oddly proportioned small CUV with an unrefined hybrid powertrain and a luxury-market price? Who wouldn't want it?
  • MaintenanceCosts Who knows whether it rides or handles acceptably or whether it chews up a set of tires in 5000 miles, but we definitely know it has a "mature stance."Sounds like JUST the kind of previous owner you'd want…
  • 28-Cars-Later Nissan will be very fortunate to not be in the Japanese equivalent of Chapter 11 reorganization over the next 36 months, "getting rolling" is a luxury (also, I see what you did there).
  • MaintenanceCosts RAM! RAM! RAM! ...... the child in the crosswalk that you can't see over the hood of this factory-lifted beast.
  • 3-On-The-Tree Yes all the Older Land Cruiser’s and samurai’s have gone up here as well. I’ve taken both vehicle ps on some pretty rough roads exploring old mine shafts etc. I bought mine right before I deployed back in 08 and got it for $4000 and also bought another that is non running for parts, got a complete engine, drive train. The mice love it unfortunately.
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