By on October 30, 2018

2018 Ford Mustang GT PP2 rear quarter

Oh boy — what to make of this one? A poster at forum claims two sources who attended this month’s Ford dealer meetup in Las Vegas say the Blue Oval has something interesting up its sleeve.

No, it’s not the Mustang-inspired electric crossover Ford expects to launch for 2020 (possibly, but no longer probably carrying the Mach 1 name). Rather, it’s either a four-door Mustang or a Mustang-inspired four-door GT car with premium intentions and an eye for upsized engines.

Okay, let’s pick this apart.

Given that we have absolutely no official or unofficial confirmation of this rumor, this poster (who only joined the forum earlier this month) could be making the thing up out of whole cloth, either to stimulate debate or just be a jerk. That, or he’s been sold a bill of goods by these sources.

That said, a great many people don’t trust Ford to keep its hands off the Mustang’s branding and aura. The Mach 1 fiasco, which raised the hackles of FoMoCo purists across the country, is proof of that. While cars certainly aren’t Ford’s cup of tea right now, a high-margin niche model isn’t out of the question for a company that currently offers the (increasingly un)limited edition GT.

It’s generally believed that the next-generation Mustang, reportedly pushed back to 2021, will debut atop Ford’s new CD6 modular platform, the same architecture underpinning the upcoming Lincoln Aviator and 2020 Ford Explorer. Made to accomodate all drive wheel configurations, it seems that RWD/AWD is Ford’s intention for this platform (the RWD/AWD Aviator and Explorer are its only confirmed uses right now).

Over the summer, much talk was heard of the upcoming “modular Mustang.” Around that time, Ford released details on its plan to move to five distinct architectures for all of its future vehicles. The Mustang was assumed to move to the dedicated RWD/AWD platform — ie, the CD6.

“Mustang is still going to be a strong, well proportioned vehicle,” the Mustang’s chief designer, Darrell Behmer, told Automotive News in August. “The modular architectures will still give us flexibility; it’s not going to bastardize Mustang.”

The model’s future seems clear, no? Not exactly. Sources tell TTAC that the next-gen Mustang will not adopt the CD6 platform; rather, it will soldier on with its current architecture, possible in a mildly revised form. If Ford planned to build a four-door Mustang — the longest of long shots, albeit one talked about occasionally over the past decade — it’s hard to believe they would give the Mustang’s single-model platform a tug and call it good, especially when the brand’s future calls for new architecture.

Mustang GT Performance Pack Level 2

The more likely scenario is that Ford would adopt the more versatile, refined CD6 platform and create a vehicle that is not a Mustang derivative, but an altogether different vehicle with a hint of Mustang flavor. It already wants to do this with its electric crossover. The forum poster claims the automaker wants to go up against the Audi A7 and Porsche Panamera, which is some pretty rarified air for Ford. It would also be a high bar to clear. Perhaps the Lincoln brand would be a better fit? Then again, there’s no Lincoln Performance arm.

Beneath the hood of this vehicle would be a turbocharged V8, the poster claims, which is interesting, considering Ford doesn’t make one. The engine in the upcoming Shelby GT500 is a supercharged mill, though aftermarket suppliers (as well as Ohio’s Lebanon Ford) can certainly set you up with a turbo V8 right now, should you wish.

A performance-packed, four-door grand touring car certainly would give Ford some newfound prestige, even if it remained a niche model. There’d be big prices and potential profit once it paid for its own development. However, how such a model would fit into Ford’s $11 billion, truck-heavy streamlining plan, as well as where it would be built, remain valid questions. Also: aren’t cars a thing Ford has no time for, and with fairly good reason?

Maybe this rumor is, like so many others, just a whisper without weight.

[Images: ©2018 Chris Tonn/TTAC, Ford Motor Company]

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81 Comments on “Rumor Mill: Is Ford Really Planning a Mustang-based Four-door?...”

  • avatar

    It’s almost Halloween, not April Fool’s Day.
    So, let’s get this straight. Ford is going to deep six their cars, even though they still sell, overload on the current trend, and then risk the Mustang name and image on something so far above its weight class like the A7?
    Ford doesn’t need another niche model – they have the Raptor and limited Mustang runs for that. Anyway, looking around, the Lincoln Continental doesn’t seem to be flying off the dealer lots.
    Keep the Mustang unique…please!

    • 0 avatar

      They “still sell”, but they lose the company money. It’s about profitability, not satisfying the demands of faceless internet people who would never buy their car to begin with (not necessarily speaking of you individually).

      I could see a Ford RWD sedan competing with Charger and Stinger, replacing the current Taurus-based Police Interceptor Sedan, called Fairlane or Torino, but I highly doubt it’ll be marketed as Mustang. A Lincoln version would likely replace the current Continental and take it’s name. It would probably be larger than the Ford, and have no sporting pretense whatsoever.

    • 0 avatar

      People want to buy American RWD full-size sedans though. The Charger is basically a ’96 E-class with a “Hemi” and it still sells.

      Call it a Galaxie or LTD or Crown Vic. Make a police interceptor model. As long as you give it a good halo engine and call it a “muscle car” it should torpedo Charger sales.

      • 0 avatar

        “The Charger is basically a ’96 E-class with a “Hemi” and it still sells.”
        No, it is not. Chrysler started it prior to Daimler acquisition and borrowed some E and S class suspension and drivetrain parts once the “merger” happened.

        You people repeating the same tired myths are worse than the proverbial high school gossip tree.

        Even if the 4 door happens, Ford will torpedo itself by pushing for 4 cylinder motors and limit Coyote availability.

      • 0 avatar

        Ghilby is the same (as Charger) and still considered “luxury”.

      • 0 avatar

        The public at large doesn’t give two poops about US RWD full-size sedans. Heck, most wouldn’t know RWD from FWD or AWD.

    • 0 avatar

      I told everyone the Hatchet man would destroy the Mustang. This is how the Hatchett man works.

    • 0 avatar

      Just because it’s based off the mustang platform doesn’t mean it will look anything like it. This is the perfect product for Ford to replace the Fusion and Taurus in one car that is positioned to have significantly more interest than the two aforementioned snooze mobiles.
      A cheap 4 cylinder version for cheapskates could be priced in the mid to upper $20s with V8 models hitting in the mid to upper $30s and supercharged V8 models going into the $50s is exactly what Ford needs.

      This isn’t a niche model this is a volume seller in the way an F150 is a volume seller, i.e. Sell on content and capability rather than ultimate cheapness.
      This would risk eating F150 sales more than any 3rd world Ranger pickup ever could, which is the reason I suspect we may never get the pleasure of this vehicle.

    • 0 avatar
      Principe Raphael

      Maybe a Continental and/or MKZ based on the RWD Mustang platform, like they should have done from the get go?

  • avatar

    Mustang-based = fine. Four-door Mustang = not a Mustang.

    End of story.

  • avatar

    Build a Stinger/Charger competitor on the same platform as the Mustang (don’t call it Mustang.)

    Listen to my daughter giggle when Daddy makes the tires squeal around the on ramp.

  • avatar

    Smells like wishful thinking. That said…

    1. There’s been a bandwagon, minor in comparison to the “CUV” thing, of high-performance “4-door coupes” (I prefer to call these things what they are – tall hatchback/wagon and low/extra-sleek sedans). Seems plausible for a major OEM to jump on it, especially considering they already have a popular performance model for a stylistic base, and a modular platform to make it feasible.

    2. Yes please. I’ll take mine with an NA 6 and three pedals.

    It doesn’t have to be (and probably shouldn’t) be called a Mustang, just styled like one. They’ve already got a Bronco… hm… Stallion?

  • avatar

    Well, at least it’s not some damn crossover. I’ll believe it when I see it.

  • avatar

    I remember when Porsche announced the Panamera and the hysteria that ensued from the faithful.

    Same deal with the SUVs, how dare Porsche tarnish the brand?

    The Panamera and SUVs accounted for approx. 40k of their 55k sales in the US in 2017. If I were Ford, I’d try it.

  • avatar

    So then a RWD/AWD Flexstang with a V8?

    Sounds good to me!

  • avatar

    I was thinking more along the lines of an A5 Sportback than an A7.
    The Sportback has not hurt the reputation of the A5 coupe any – but then, I’ve only actually seen one Sportback on the road in this country so far, so it does not appear to be setting the sales charts on fire.

  • avatar

    So Ford killed the Falcon to bring it back???

    • 0 avatar

      Maybe they are taking a page from GM’s alpha playbook? It certainly worked out well for Camaro getting the poverty spec version of alpha and more importantly driving those economies of scale which would reduce product development time since it would drive down the time it takes to amortize development costs.

      In any event I don’t see a problem with say a C class sedan based on the Mustang’s bones. Its fairly large as is since the styling makes it pretty space inefficient so squeezing a sedan on the same wheelbase wouldn’t be too much of a hassle with more upright seating and green house.

      They could for instance bring back Falcon with a V8 or TTV6 and the Capri with the T4 perhaps doubling the platform’s volume with increased international sales.

  • avatar

    Seems too niche for them to pursue. They just declared axing sedans in popular (but admittedly declining) segments, why would they now enter a much smaller niche with a bodystyle that they are convinced is going the way of the do-do?

    Having said all that, it would be cool to have a Ford option to run against the old LX Mopars, and something less flabby and more athletic than the current tank of a Taurus.

  • avatar

    Glad its not based on the Mustang. Mustang is about as long as the next 3 series, with the interior space of the previous 1 series. CD6 has to be the way.

    There is some precedent. I think the Stinger is doing OK. Charger is doing OK. This could fight in that space.

    • 0 avatar

      Stinger is not selling at any kind of volume. There are discounts to be found. Charger sales are inflated due to:

      * Bad fleet (rentals)
      * Good fleet (government and police)
      * Sub-prime buyer fodder

      • 0 avatar

        As Ford has amply shown this year profitablity is much more important than total volume.

        The sales ceiling on this kind of thing isn’t great, but if they can put it on an existing platform and parts-bin most of it then maybe a business case can be made.

        That said, I’m expecting this is just forum wankery.

  • avatar

    It’s been done. Ford toyed with the idea during the development of the original Mustang.

  • avatar

    Ford Falcon

  • avatar

    why? Because it worked out so well with the Thunderbird?

  • avatar

    Wasn’t this already tried with the Chevy SS? Chevy did a less than stellar job marketing it, but is there much of a market? If they can’t make money selling 200K+ Fusions per year, I don’t see how do you make a business case for this.

    • 0 avatar

      SS was built in Australia and had exorbitantly high labor costs even before they put it on a cargo ship and sent it across the Pacific. GM likely lost money on each one just to help keep the lights on in the factory. That is one of many reasons that the car wasn’t even really advertised.

      That wouldn’t be the case with this hypothetical vehicle.

    • 0 avatar

      Also, Ford’s pretty committed to continuing the Mustang, so those are development costs they’re pretty tied to. Any way they can spread out those costs among more units helps.

    • 0 avatar

      Nothing like the SS, GM didn’t market the SS at all, it’s not that they did a bad job at marketing it, its that there was zero marketing, it wasn’t even displayed at car shows. As a result even some people that worked at Chevrolet dealerships are unaware the car exists.

  • avatar
    el scotto

    If Ford would build it; t’d break down like this: a cheapie model RWD with a turbo 4, hen spec sheet plugging in with turbo 4s and 6s with RWD and AWD available. The models with cross-hair badges and cross-hairs embroidered in the Bridge of Weir leather? Coyote or supercharged Coyote motors and AWD. Then again, Billy Ford may be taking German lessons.

  • avatar

    All of ya’ll do realize that Ford made 4 door Mustangs from the beginning? They were called Falcon then eventually Fairmont.

    It’s just platform sharing. no big deal.

  • avatar

    They could call it the Mustang IV!

  • avatar

    If Ford moves the Mustang to a FWD-based platform with part-time all-wheel-drive (a la VW’s MQB platform), and creates cookie-cutter 4 and 2 door versions (see Audi A3 and TT for example), that will probably do it for my interest in the brand entirely. Not that they are planning to do that, but that would certainly be my “worst case scenario” imagination of how this rumor could pan out. Hopefully the Mustang remains a little bit independent from the crossover fad.

  • avatar

    I say FoMoCo should just do it. I mean the Probe name is still available, right?

  • avatar
    George B

    The poster at Mustang6g is almost certainly wrong. Ford has had relatively large footprint Mustang platforms since the 2005 model year, IRS since 2015, but they haven’t attempted to stretch these models to make a sedan. US domestic car manufacturers also understand that a large part of the appeal of the V8 engine is the sound of the exhaust. No way they mess up that sound with a turbocharger. Mustang GT 500, Hellcat Challenger, and Cararo ZL1 all use superchargers.

  • avatar

    No car is safe from Hackett the hatchet-man. Even the once prestigious Mustang is not safe. Will the mustang become another mindless CUV or an electric vehicle nobody asked for. I am certain Ford will now find a way to effectively ruin the Mustang.

  • avatar

    Seeing pictures of the old mustang and new mustang together just emphasizes how much of a bloated caricature of a car the new one is.

  • avatar

    The Lexus GS and IS shared Supra platform DNA, nobody noticed, nobody cared. A RWD Ford performance sedan, yeah!

  • avatar

    Thunderbird Fordor….

    Put these cars in the design studio:
    * 1967 Thunderbird – Use the front grille design and hood
    * 1966 Thunderbird – Use the rear tail lights
    * 1967 Mustang Fastback for the rear roof-line.
    * 1973 Citroen SM for inspiration
    * 1970 Lamborghini Espada for inspiration

  • avatar

    This is FoMoCo’s car division version of the F-150. The Mustang isn’t going anywhere, but it wouldn’t be surprising to see more modularity, especially if they plan on bringing back some RWD-based vehicles (please?????). SUVs, CUVS, and sedans are already sharing platforms; this is just the next evolution for a company that’s supposedly bringing back a RWD-based Explorer.

  • avatar

    When asked by Marketing why they didn’t buy a Mustang focus groups said because it only has four doors.

  • avatar
    Tele Vision

    Let Ford do whatever it wants to do with the massive current platform to satisfy the shareholders but, just perhaps, the company could revisit the origin of the species: a small two-door 2+2 ragtop powering the rear wheels with a 260/289 pushrod V8. Call it the Mustang WindSoar/WindSoar R ( wink ). Yeah, give it a slushbox, or no one will buy it, but a sweet 5-speed manual would be better. Not a 6-speed manual, though.

    Wishful thinking, I know.

  • avatar

    I’ve been asking why on earth Ford hasn’t done this for the past decade. It makes too much sense. And then you’ve got a proper Lincoln model as well. You know a big, bad, showy Lincoln. The way they’re supposed to be.

    Been asking the same question about Mazda and a small 4 door Miata based sedan.

    Why drive snooze cars if you can have something with some style and driving dynamics?

    Maybe the market just doesn’t care. But if Ford could offer RWD performance in a sedan at Mustang prices and with Mustang style, I think people would bite. If you’re gonna spend 30+ on a family car anyway why not get something cool? And keep the police sales as well.

  • avatar
    Dan R

    Four door Ranger with special grille, Mustang!

  • avatar

    If Ford really wants to make a large halo car, the choice is clear. Nothing will make you feel like more of a man than the Thundercougarfalconbird.

  • avatar

    Am I the only one who sees the face of an all-electric Mustang in the new commercials (with Bryan Cranston)?

  • avatar
    Art Vandelay

    Build it and I’ll buy when my Fiesta ST’s lease is up. Build it with the 5.0/manual drivetrain and I’ll pay a “market adjustment” for one. Fairlane or Galaxie badges please. Will accept an automatic if it wears Continental badges and has suicide doors.

  • avatar

    Not sure if mentioned above, didn’t read all the comments.

    Didn’t the Aussie Ford falcon use the S197 era motor and even the exact GT badges from that era of mustang?

    Do it, but don’t put a mustang badge on it and call it something else. Also, make it available in manual.

  • avatar

    A Ford 4 door model might be in the cards, but it would be a shame to call it a Mustang and have it go the way of the Charger.

    But a 4 door car might be in the works for the CD6 platform. Its proportions of front wheel to firewall seem ideal for a sedan interpretation. From the time of its introduction on the Aviator, I have thought it would provide an ideal RWD/AWD platform for a Lincoln Continental successor, now that the Fusion chassis is being discontinued. Supposedly, that Continental is in the works since dealers have allegedly been shown a successor with center-opening doors. Amortizing the Continental development with a same-architecture Ford sedan might make financial sense.

  • avatar
    Speak of the Deville

    So we’re getting another shot at the Crown Victoria?

    Hopefully Ford makes up for ignoring the original panthers and have some more fun with this one.

  • avatar

    Ford kills 4 door cars.

    Ford plans to make 4 door car.

    Doesn’t make sense.

    Unless it is the CUV ‘Mach 1’ that has been touted, as a high riding 4 door coupe thing. It could be nice like the iPace, or it could be horrible like the X6.

  • avatar

    I hope they do, and I hope they announce “when” by the time my F150’s lease is up. I would have loved to replace my trusty Crown Vic with an RWD Ford sedan if they built one. Do it!!!

  • avatar

    Nothing Ford has done in the last 18 months makes sense. I have a feeling Hackett is just winging it, and the stockholder response has been negative. Boy, do I miss Fields.

  • avatar

    There will not be a 4-door Mustang. But, the prospect of a line of sedans built from a new platform with RWD bias is what dreams are made of. Consider:

    1. Falcon – entry level turbo 4. Nicely equipped with competitive base price.
    2. Galaxie – turbo V6. Higher end interior. Can upgrade to NAV8 and AWD.
    3. New Continental – transfer interior design language/seats from current model. Suicide doors. Supercharged V8. Compete with A7, Panamera, AMG E-class.
    4. Drop top Conti- please, please, please…..

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