By on March 9, 2018

Genesis G70

The two models share a platform and a pair of engines, but the upcoming Genesis G70 sport sedan gains something its Kia Stinger cousin lacks: a manual transmission.

Given that we’re talking about a rear-drive Korean sedan sold under a fledgling marque in a market that couldn’t love SUVs more if the damn things dispensed free cash from the dash vents, we’re expecting big, big demand for the stick-shift variant.

Thanks to the automaker’s Canadian website and the online sleuthing of one Bozi Tatarevic, we now know buyers in North America gain a three-pedal entry-level G70, billed as the 2.0T Sport. This is a rear-drive-only proposition, powered by a turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder making 252 horsepower and 260 lb-ft of torque. (Other four-banger trims, like the Elite, Prestige, Advanced, and Dynamic, generate 249 hp.)

In the case of Genesis’ U.S. division, the model appears in VIN decoder documents filed to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, as well as on the EPA’s fuel economy page.

Genesis G70

It’s a little odd to see Genesis offer row-your-own G70 while Kia’s Stinger sticks with an eight-speed automatic as its only gearbox. The Stinger bowed first, carrying the flag for the brand’s newfound sporting image. Genesis, on the other hand, positions itself as the dignified and mature division in Hyundai Motor Group’s stable. Maybe it’s a case of Kia not being a luxury marque and Genesis wanting to match BMW in every way possible, though nothing’s stopping the Kia from borrowing the G70’s manual sometime in the future.

Of course, that assumes the stick-shift G70 has a future. The dwindling presence of manual transmissions in German sport sedans means that, before long, it might not matter if there’s a stick on hand. We wouldn’t be shocked to see the option dropped in a year or two.

The brand’s AWD G70 models appear this spring in 2.0T guise or equipped with the twin-turbo 3.3-liter V6 (365 hp, 376 lb-ft), though — according to Genesis Canada — the 2.0T Sport hangs back until summer.

Interestingly, the G70 2.0T Sport, which can be optioned with an automatic in the U.S., drops driver assistance technology from its list of standard features. These safety aids appear on higher trims. Besides giving a shrinking crowd of purists the transmission they desire, it seems the upstart brand really wants to lower the entry price on this gateway model.

Genesis may be Hyundai Motor Group’s luxury division, but it hasn’t ignored the company’s tradition of poaching customers with a value proposition.

[Images: Genesis Motors]

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74 Comments on “Genesis G70 Gets the Transmission Kia Stinger Buyers Can’t Have...”


  • avatar
    turbo_awd

    Yeah, but.. Wouldn’t the 3.3T + 6 speed be the one that most enthusiasts want? I mean, if you want a manual with 250-300 hp, you an already get a WRX/STI, Civic R, Golf R, Focus ST, Accord, etc. Not much out there with 365hp+ and a manual this side of Porsche.

    • 0 avatar
      jeanbaptiste

      I could see a market for a 2.0T manual Stinger. It has the one thing that none of those you listed has. RWD. I’d gladly swap from my 6MT GTI to a 6MT 2.0 Stinger, keep all the same performance and amenities and gain RWD in the swap. The price difference wouldn’t be too much of a stretch.

      Sure a manual 3.3 would be nice, but you are pushing 38K (and up to 50K) at a minimum on one of those vs 32K for the 2.0.

    • 0 avatar
      probert

      Somehow we, as a nation, will get through it.

  • avatar
    arach

    Korean Logic?

    “The Sports car? Definitely an Automatic, so customers don’t have to do any work.

    The luxury car? The cars a little bland, so lets give them a manual so its more fun to drive”

  • avatar
    dwford

    Let me guess, it only comes in a special base trim with cloth seats and crank windows.

    • 0 avatar
      probert

      That would be nice. Doubt it though.

      • 0 avatar
        golden2husky

        Was that double sarcasm? I always hated that the manual versions were always saddled by the manufacturer in that they were limited to low option trims. I want my options, creature comforts, and a manual. Such a combo was rare to to find, except in Vettes, Camaros, and Mustangs. I’m sure a few others but typically you were limited to base trim. Bummer.

        • 0 avatar
          Superdessucke

          “I always hated that the manual versions were always saddled by the manufacturer in that they were limited to low option trims.”

          Heck, not long ago, Honda limited you to black or gray if you wanted a manual Accord Sport. I was like what is this, a Model T? LOL!

        • 0 avatar
          slap

          Back when you could get a VW diesel sportwagen you could get it with a manual in the top trim level. Sadly they only offer the gas sportwagen with a manual in the base trim level, sort of a double whammy to their old TDI customers.

    • 0 avatar
      Superdessucke

      “Let me guess, it only comes in a special base trim with cloth seats and crank windows.”

      Oooo, that’d be so nice! They could do a 1LE style package triggered if you don’t order the sunroof. A/C, power window, power door lock, power seat, fog light, and sound deadener delete, special lightweight cloth seats, Brembo brakes, aluminum driveshaft, aluminum spare wheel, and a fuel tank baffle that no one will ever need but sounds really good when you tell your friends about it.

      And of course this completely unfeasible vehicle would have an MSRP $5,000 higher than the regular Genesis 2.0T and a $20,000 markup at your friendly Genesis dealer!

  • avatar
    dal20402

    Yawn. Two point oh tee.

    It’s not that performance will be bad — it will be fine. It’s that two point oh tee engines sound exactly like the engines in cars that cost $16,000 new.

    • 0 avatar
      aquaticko

      That’ll be make or break for me. I’m driving a 12-year old Subaru Forester, and working as a nurse’s aid hoping to graduate nursing school in 2 years, I’d love to get myself a new car as a graduation/employment upgrade present. A manual Mazda 6 or Skyactive-X 3 are way up on the list, but I’d love something with a bit of luxury. I couldn’t see myself in anything German–it’s too easy a choice–but considering the likely price differential between those two aforementioned cars and the G70, it’d be a tough jump to justify unless every aspect feels worth it. Engine sound is crucial to me, so I’m very curious to see how the 2.0t from Hyundai sounds.

    • 0 avatar
      Jaeger

      Tell that to the people dropping $70k on a 4-pot Mercedes E Class. Makes much more sense here in sporty compact sedan.

    • 0 avatar
      bd2

      Hyundai’s replacement for the Theta II 2.0T for RWD application will be a 2.5T putting out around 300 HP.

    • 0 avatar
      krhodes1

      Actually, they sound just like Saabs, so perfectly fine with me.

      the fixation with the difference in engine sounds baffles me. I don’t really want to hear the thing at all, for the most part. V6s sound like crap as a general rule, most V8s aren’t much better. The only engines I like the sound of are inline sixes, and they are a bit thin on the ground, heavy, and inefficient, lovely though the n52 in my BMW is at full chat. Trouble is, unless you are at 7K rpm it makes no power. So a well-insulated 2.0T four is just about right in my book.

      • 0 avatar
        gtem

        “the fixation with the difference in engine sounds baffles me. I don’t really want to hear the thing at all, for the most part. V6s sound like crap as a general rule, most V8s aren’t much better. The only engines I like the sound of are inline sixes”

        “Today I Learned that people have different opinions and preferences,” the post.

    • 0 avatar
      arach

      I actually LOVE the 2.0t from Hyundai.

      Yes it sounds like a bumblebee, but its plenty torquey for DD duty, and gets wonderful fuel economy. Its one of my favorite motors on the market right now for a DD.

      Sure I love V12s and 12542135 horsepower, but every time I’m propositioned with one I turn them down because for DD, fuel economy and maintainability matter.

      14 MPG on a DD? I spend 99% of my time on the highway in cruise control…

      Just because I want a car thats fun to drive doesn’t mean I have no respect for the environment or that I have disregard to fuel economy… an its not just fuel economy. Hyundais 2.0t costs $100/year in maintenance (including 4 oil changes and 1 air filter).

      The thing I used to love about Caddy is they were “pretty much just a chevy”. the thing I’m starting to love about Genesis is “They are pretty much just a hyundai”. easy to find parts, cheap to maintain, whats not to love.

  • avatar
    IBx1

    They should have made the grille with a better texture; the head-on sunlight in that press photo shows all the radiator pieces and blocked-off panels clear as day.

    • 0 avatar
      Cactuar

      In an interview I read with Chris Bangle he talked about how BMW was very particular about the details that can be seen through the grilles, it had to be blocked off perfectly from all angles. Looks like Hyundai has more work to do; perhaps they should hire a German grille specialist?

    • 0 avatar
      bd2

      The grille treatment is fine.

      The problem is the shape of the headlights and the overly busy front air scoops/dam which is in contrast to the overly plain rear.

      The G80 replacement will showcase the future design language of Genesis (hopefully more New York concept than GV80) so this is just a temporary issue.

  • avatar
    probert

    Very handsome car – especially from the front.

  • avatar
    redapple

    IBX1
    Agreed. And that s is my beef with Korean cars in a tangible form.
    My perception is the cars are unfinished in certain areas. Sometimes you find proof. Sometimes it s just a ‘feeling.’
    Regardless, I will not consider a korean car for my next purchase. There are just too many clearly superior vehicles from Japan and the US.

  • avatar
    DearS

    Love these manual cars, but I don;t yet buy new, even though I can afford it, a used car is just such a great deal. $22k is all I could see myself spending on a new car.

  • avatar
    Hummer

    So it does still saddled with 3rd world engine options? Woo wee

    I’ll continue driving around in my 6.2L 6 speed manual sedan

  • avatar
    Big Al from Oz

    A very nice looking sedan, one of the better ones. It seems Kia is moving forward.

    I have only seen a few on the road here in Australia and they’ve been the turbo V6 models.

    I would like to see a manual in the Stinger to make it more a drivers car, but I think Kia is aiming this vehicle to be more a performance sedan in the mold of a SS Commodore or S Pack Falcon.

  • avatar
    Duaney

    I might get in trouble for this or have the comment deleted, but, a reminder that everyone should boycott Korean products, until they end their practice of eating dogs. It’s horrible!

    • 0 avatar
      aquaticko

      Probably you should do more research. Only a very few, old, mindlessly patriotic Koreans still eat bosintang with any regularity. It’s a summertime speciality, and just FYI, the practice was dying very quickly until us Westerners caught wind of the practice, after which it was very quickly picked back up as a giant middle finger to all us waegookin who have the gall to tell other people what to do.

      I’d say let’s boycott American products until we end our practice of allowing mass shootings on a weekly basis, but I live here, so….

      • 0 avatar
        bd2

        Adding to what aquaticko says, the Chinese, Viets and others also eat dogs (again, mostly older males), as do a couple of Swiss cantons (dog-meat sausage). Certain parts of China also has cat on the menu.

        So, that would be mean boycotting a ton of goods, including things like Swiss luxury watches.

        Also, many people think eating pigs/piglets, cows/calves, sheep/lambs, goats/kids, horses, etc. is equally as horrible (besides the fact that many are kept as pets, these animals are as intelligent, if not more so than dogs).

        And there’s a whole sub-continent where cows are a sacred animal.

        Also, not all dogs are the cuddly-type; a dingo or African wild dog would rip you apart (the latter eating you while you’re still alive).

    • 0 avatar
      strafer

      Then you should be boycotting Japanese products for eating dolphins and Europeans for eating horses.

    • 0 avatar
      scott25

      Or American products for eating cows, pigs and chicken. How is a dog any different than any other domestic animal? They’re all just soulless human creations. It’s the wild animals I have problems with people eating, so I guess I should be boycotting products from Asia, but I don’t care enough

      • 0 avatar
        golden2husky

        …They’re all just soulless human creations…

        My dog has more soul than most humans…if you think a chicken and a dog are the same, well I just don’t have the words..

        • 0 avatar
          bd2

          People who keep chickens or turkeys or other domesticated fowl as pets have found them to be warm and affectionate – seeking and giving hugs from their human caretakers.

          And there are birds that are kept as pets which are very intelligent – various parrots, Macaws, Cockatoos, etc.

  • avatar
    Fred

    From the comments I’ve read so far, this looks like another Chevy SS. Everyone likes it, but no one buys it. Say goodbye to manuals forever.

    • 0 avatar
      IBx1

      It shares the same main problem with the SS: blobby and anonymous design. The G8 was so much more clean-cut of a design with straight edges where they were needed and curves where appropriate. This hunday G70 simply looks like a hunday where the grille popped out somewhere on the highway.

    • 0 avatar
      The Ghost of Buckshot Jones

      I drove one (the stinger), that was the first thing that came to mind. It really is the second (third?) coming of the G8/SS. A decent enough 25k RWD car being sold for $40+ with 90s level interiors and performance that doesn’t really match up with the numbers on paper. I imagine the Stinger/G70 will also have similar sales “success”.

    • 0 avatar
      ijbrekke

      Yes, but with one very important difference: the SS started at $50k, making it inaccessible to the vast majority of us. The Stinger (and hopefully G70) are just over $30k, which means I’m already considering these cars at the top of my price range (currently shopping).

      $20k is a big jump for a starting price.

  • avatar
    jalop1991

    bah. DSG or GTFO.

    • 0 avatar
      KevinC

      You sound like one of those knucklers at VWVortex who loves to tell 6MT owners that their transmission is inferior to their technologically superior DSG. So tiring.

      • 0 avatar
        jalop1991

        There are many good reasons to have an automatic transmission–and if you have to have one, go DCT or go home.

        You sound butt-hurt that maybe your choice of manual transmission could be wrong, that DSG could in fact be better. Did I bring to the surface your uncertainty in your choice? Are you uncomfortable facing that uncertainty, and this is how you “solve” that issue?

    • 0 avatar
      bd2

      H/K are supposedly working on a (wet) DCT for RWD application.

      Which is a good thing as the current 8 spd auto is geared towards luxury rather than performance (the Stinger GT would be even quicker with a performance-oriented gearbox) and even its replacement, the 10 spd auto will likely be geared more towards luxury.

  • avatar
    Davekaybsc

    I don’t quite get who this car is aimed at. The Stinger sort of makes sense, but who buys one of these over an A4 or 3 series? The interior isn’t even *remotely* competitive with the compact German entries, or I would argue even the Q50 or IS, and at least the bottom of the barrel TLX and ATS still have things to differentiate themselves from lesser Hondas and Buicks. This has electronics straight out of an Elantra. Not quite as bad as the NSX sharing a radio with the Honda Civic, but all of the other players’ luxury arms get dedicated systems for a reason, and Lincoln at least re-skins Sync3 so it doesn’t look identical to a Focus.

    The G70 seems to be in an awkward “semi-luxury” no man’s land with the Regal and outgoing Volvo S60. Doesn’t seem like a recipe for great success.

    • 0 avatar
      Big Al from Oz

      Davekaybsc,
      That might be in the US. Here in Australia it’s being seen or promoted as a viable alternative to the V8 Falcons and Commodores.

      I really wouldn’t class it as the same as a Camry or Honda alternative, not with it’s RWD and grunty engine.

      We now have the Insignia, renamed as a Holden Commodore with the 3.6 V6 as a challenger. Ford’s only closest comparison here is the Mustang.

      From the articles I’ve read the motoring journo’s seem to think it is a good value vehicle.

    • 0 avatar
      The Ghost of Buckshot Jones

      Audi and BMW’s in house financing arms are also pretty selective and want a fairly strong credit rating. Kia and Hyundai’s are not. There’s a pretty decent chunk of consumers looking for entry level “near luxury” cars that fall into the latter demographic.

    • 0 avatar
      golden2husky

      …..The Stinger sort of makes sense, but who buys one of these over an A4 or 3 series?….

      They don’t. Those who put out this kind of money want snot branding on the hood. Kind of like the Phaeton pricing, or back in the day the Subaru SVX. All good cars, yes but those prices are too much for the typical customers of the brand.

    • 0 avatar
      bd2

      Actually, there have already been a number of buyers who have opted for the Stinger over not just a run-of-the-mill 3 Series, C Class, A4, IS or Q50 – the M, AMG, S/RS, F and RS variants.

      And you have it backwards, while the Stinger may not be “all luxury,” the G70 is – having a more luxurious interior than the IS, XE, Giulia, Q50 and the current 3 Series.

    • 0 avatar
      arach

      I’m a likely buyer.

      The problem is I’m a likely second buyer. get this thing 6 months old for 1/2 price wit 10 year CPO warranty? Find me that kind of offer on a mercedes or beemer. They might be nicer, but thats a heck of a value.

      I think Genesis is simply the 2001 Cadillac, fighting to get into the game, offering a value proposition until they can make a name for themselves, and then they’ll be able to escalate the game.

  • avatar
    dougjp

    Don’t we need to know what the price is before determining if it fits in the “value proposition” definition?

    • 0 avatar
      The Ghost of Buckshot Jones

      Comparable Stinger starts at 33k, so this will probably start around 36-37, Comparable A4/330i starts at $40k.

      • 0 avatar
        bd2

        Probably will start closer to the $35-36k mark.

        The Q50 starts at $34k (not including destination) and the A4 (granted, FWD) starts at $36k.

        The IS200t starts at $38k (which is too high).

  • avatar
    scott25

    This will be the holy grail of the used market in a few years, with its no doubt abysmal resale value giving it incredible value for a semi-premium, probably comfortable yet sort of nimble RWD sedan with a manual.

    To me it still looks too much like an Infiniti which already look like generic knockoffs of Mazdas and BMWs.

    I’m also someone who regards outdated technology and 90’s interiors as a selling point, but not in a 40k vehicle.

  • avatar
    slap

    One advantage to the G70 over the Stinger is that you don’t have to go to the Kia dealer.

  • avatar
    Spartan

    You can get the ATS 2.0T with a manual, too. Had they offered the 3.3T with the manual, then that’d be something to get excited about.

    If you want a manual, big power and 4 doors in this class, BMW 3 Series or nothing.

  • avatar
    thegamper

    I like both the G80 and Stinger. I don’t really consider myself a brand snob but a Kia gives me a little pause. That being said this is the first Kia that has me considering the brand. The G80, if it can comfortably seat rear passengers with legs I’m definitely in the market for the 3.3. Neither of these cars does anything for me though with the 2.0t. I think I’d go for a Camry or something a bit more standard.

    • 0 avatar
      ra_pro

      Ditto, would never even thought of Kia. But saw a Stinger last Friday and, man, what a handsome car it is. I actually started thinking that I might give it a shot until I was told here that it doesn’t come with a manual. If and when it does offer a manual I will give it a try.

  • avatar
    EX35

    The problem with Hyundai/kia’s move upmarket is that you pay 75% of the price and get 75% of the comparable German car. I don’t see the point. It only makes sense as a 3 year old CPO I guess.

    • 0 avatar
      strafer

      I’d agree with the previous gens, but the Stinger shows that they caught up to comparable German cars and still offer value.

      • 0 avatar
        nvinen

        Don’t be silly, Kias and Hyundais don’t break down anywhere near as often as a German car and they don’t cost as much to repair either. They have some ways to go with making their cars unreliable if they are planning on catching up soon!

        I suggest making critical parts from plastic that easily degrades due to heat and use. Ideally they should shred themselves just after the warranty period ends.

        • 0 avatar
          EX35

          I wasn’t referring to reliability. That’s pretty clear that the Koreans have Germany beat by a mile. I was referencing how even the genesis/g80/g90 look good on paper but feel roughly 75% of their German counterparts in driving feel/solidity, interior quality, paint quality, and design.

  • avatar
    krhodes1

    I would at least test drive the Stinger if it could be had with a stick. I suspect the local KIA dealer would give me a rash though. At least it is a proper executive hatch. This car is ugly, and a useless sedan. Nope.


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