By on October 4, 2014

U.S. Auto brand market share sales chart September 2014Auto sales in the United States rose 9.4% compared with September 2013 to 1.245M in September 2014. Pickup trucks climbed above 190,000 units for the third consecutive month. The Honda Accord unseated the Toyota Camry for the second time in two months. Chrysler Group used pickup trucks, minivans, and Jeep to generate 68% of the company’s volume as their car sales slid 7%.

Chrysler Group’s market share increased to a Toyota-beating 13.6% from 12.6% a year ago and 12.5% in August of this year. GM’s market share grew to 17.9% from 16.4% in September 2013 as Silverado volume shot up by more than 50%. Ford Motor Company, on the other hand, suffered a decline in market share, falling from 16.2% in September of last year and 15.5% in August of this year to 14.4% in September 2014.

Timothy Cain is the founder of GoodCarBadCar.net, which obsesses over the free and frequent publication of U.S. and Canadian auto sales figures.

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126 Comments on “Chart Of The Day: U.S. Auto Market Share – September 2014...”


  • avatar
    Lie2me

    Looks like the “Big Three” are still the big three

    • 0 avatar
      Sjalabais

      Also my initial thought. But Toyota is really close…amazing! Also: There are a lot of brands crammed into “other”.

    • 0 avatar
      petezeiss

      I’d love to see how things shook out if all vehicles over 4500 lbs. could be discounted.

    • 0 avatar
      Joe McKinney

      There was a time when GM, Ford and Chrysler had a combined market share of over 90%. GM alone was close to 50%. Today the Big Three combine for a share of 46%. If you include Toyota, the Big Four have a combined share of just over 59%.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      Ford & GM are literally living or dying, growing or shrinking, depending on their truck sales, which most likely account for 80% to approximately 90% of their profits.

      On top of this, Ford is in a very vulnerable position, since it has priced its vehicles at the heftiest premiums of all the volume manufacturers, WHILE the reliability ranking of its lineup is absolutely breaking down – there is a lag here (between consumer experiences of reliability & future purchases/leases) that is already beginning to catch up with Ford.

      GM has their own set of issues, not dissimilar to Ford’s, where they’ve priced many of their products too high (e.g. Cadillac), their reliability sucks (e.g. Cadillac) and their execs are essentially banking on a Hail Mary Pass to Chinese market share growth to save their balance sheet when the inevitable North American slowdown happens.

      Bottom line: GM & Ford’s business models look incredibly similar to their 90s era business models, and they’d better both hope markets elsewhere are their Holy Grail.

      • 0 avatar
        Scoutdude

        While GM’s model looks similar to what they were doing in the 90’s Ford has changed their model significantly. No longer are they dumping vehicles in rental fleets at a loss and they are generating higher profit margins on most of their vehicles. Toyota’s business model, at least in the US, is now very similar to the “old GM” dumping vehicles in rental fleets and buying the number one spot for their best seller regardless of profit or lack there of.

      • 0 avatar
        RobertRyan

        Unfortunately there not. Much more competition in Global markets than ever before

      • 0 avatar
        AJ

        I recently returned from a two-week 4200 mile road trip out to Moab, Utah from the midwest. The most common new pickup truck that I saw on the road over those miles was the Ram. Just a personal observation.

  • avatar
    cargogh

    For their fattening slice of the pie, I’d like to reward Chrysler with a huge dollop of fresh whipped cream.

  • avatar
    petezeiss

    Ha ha… Germans are schtill schmall.

    • 0 avatar
      krhodes1

      The Germans, VW excepted, START selling cars at around the average price of all new vehicles. I find it quite amazing that they all manage to outsell Mazda.

      • 0 avatar
        PrincipalDan

        Dear VW,

        How’s that world domination plan going?

        Signed,

        GM, Ford, Chrysler, and Toyota

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          I think it’s going pretty good everywhere except the island of North America

        • 0 avatar
          VW16v

          Key word is World. VW is doing pretty damn good as a world auto maker. This U.S. only sales.

        • 0 avatar
          krhodes1

          @PDan

          VW has been a close #3 in global sales for a while now, only about 400-500K behind Toyota and GM, who are neck and neck most years. So I would say their world domination plan is working pretty well.

          Of course, the chances of that happening are about the same as Toyota ever being a major player in Europe. It COULD happen, but don’t hold your breath.

      • 0 avatar
        racer-esq.

        You know that you are starting with a pretty small base when Smart and Sprinter sales are enough to help put you ahead.

        • 0 avatar
          Zykotec

          ‘Everyone’ drives a Sprinter here in Europe if they have something bigger than a Pizza to deliver. There are some Hi-Aces and Transits in use, and the Renault/Opel/Nissan triplets does share a half of the market with the Fiat/Peugeot/Citroen triplets, but most of the delivery vans you see are Sprinters, or its VW LT twin.

      • 0 avatar
        petezeiss

        Evidently the yuppies who started it all in the ’80s loves feeling some Mannschaft under they ass.

  • avatar
    thornmark

    Kudos to Chrysler. I read positive things about their trucks.

    Wish they made a 300 wagon like the one they exported to Europe.

    Not long ago it looked like F would pass GM. Now it’s not inconceivable that Chrysler could pass F.

    • 0 avatar
      petezeiss

      See what happens when you stick with round wheel wells? GM’s going down under the combined righteous might of Ram and Ford.

      • 0 avatar
        Carlson Fan

        GM sells more 1/2 ton truck chassis than Ford and Chrysler put together. Either maker would love to have GM’s highly profitable full-size BOF SUV sales.

        • 0 avatar
          Big Al from Oz

          @Carlson Fan,
          And some of them as Caddies.

          Hmmm…..Escalade.

          • 0 avatar
            Carlson Fan

            People around here love ’em. And they know what they are.

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            Wow Big al,

            Your still butthurt over the escalade?
            You know the vehicle that outsells the range rovers, and every other vehicle in its class?

            You do realize everyone knows it has a frame, its not a secret, I promise, in fact its the reason people buy it. No one cares if it has parts similar to a silverado at least the company isn’t based in India like your rangie. But if you want to call it an silverado, well that means we can use the entire platforms sales to describe every individual vehicle. So in that mind, the escalade sells 1.2Million+ units a year, does the Australian market even sell that many total vehicles a year? I’m sure your range rover definitely doesn’t do so.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            GM trucks and cars now develop undercarriage rust in all the worst places WHILE SITTING NEW & UNPURCHASED ON DEALER LOTS.

            I’ve seen it with my own eyes on GM Pickups, a Chevy Cruze & Sonic, a GMC Denali, and have seen it progress rapidly via a 1/2 year old Chevy Equinox & 3 year old Cadillac SRX.

            I absolutely believe its a planned obsolescence business case model by some manufacturers, especially since their rust warranties are for perforation only, good for a mere 60 months, and not worth the paper they are written on.

            All my new car purchases are going to get either POR-15 and/or (combination) powder coated undercarriage components so they don’t rust away around perfectly good drivetrains.

            Check out this to see what I’m speaking of (or simply google new vehicle rust):

            https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/off-topic-discussion/rustproofing-undercoating-new-vehicle/54371/page1/

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            Which parts did you see rusting away on brand new cars/trucks? Axle tubes/housing and knuckles usually leave the factory unpainted for it’ll take centuries for them to rust through.

            And are you sure you meant “powder coating”? Which parts? You know you have to take them off your car for that (not so cheap) process, and the parts you can easily take off, aren’t the ones you need to worry about? Mainly the body, frame, subframe.

            But if you’re serious about rust prevention, it just takes time and money. And constant inspecting/correcting. But most consumers don’t want to be hassled. They’d rather it rust away and not have to ever think/obsess about it.

            They get what they pay for.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            Mike, frame rails, cross members, EVERYWHERE.

            I didn’t see this on many of these same model predecessor cars/vehicles made a decade ago, and some manufacturers do much better in terms of corrosion protection (the Germans, for all their other quirks, seem to do a better job prepping/treating/bathing metal components – think BMW or Daimler or even VW – than Japanese, Korean & American manufacturers do).

            THIS IS NOT A GM ONLY PROBLEM: http://www.wptv.com/money/consumer/lemon-law-helps-new-car-owners-fight-back-if-a-repeat-problem-isnt-fixed-by-the-manufacturer

            There’s no way this is inadvertent AFAIAC. NOT A CHANCE. Both planned obsolescence & the result of quadruple the number of people leasing (2, 3 year lease, rinse, repeat eternal non-ownership cycle) in a throwaway society.

            I will do everything to keep my vehicles structurally sound long term despite manufacturer attempts to thwart us prudent, analytical value seekers (we will pay for true quality and durability; we’re not cheap).

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            Drive shafts, axles, U-joints, pinions, mufflers, etc, are not usually painted from the factory. You’re talking parts that aren’t structural and don’t mind surface rust. You can have your’s painted, but it’s just cosmetic.

            But frames are always painted. Can you show one rusting and brand new?

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            Mike, did you check out those first two links above? People with new vehicles with less than 5 digits on the odometer (sometimes less than 4 digits) are being notified of rust issues by rust stains on their driveways/garage floors (where they investigate further).

            If not, here’s another case: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1539759

            And that’s NOTHING compared to other cases easily found (it was just the first “hit” I found).

            I could literally do this all day if I had the time/inclination.

            Seriously, new vehicle have serious corrosion issues (the kind I used to see on 5 to 10 year old vehicles) within a year or less.

            Google Fu.

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            The guy with the Tacoma lost in mediation. I’m sure some or all of the things I’ve mentioned came up.

            When you’re dealing with trucks, many components are left bare metal. Like muffler pipes. Go to any muffler shop and tell them to paint your truck’s tail pipes.

            The exhaust manifold on your car is bare metal and rusting away as we speak! Alert the media. It’s covered by a heat shield, so most will never don’t notice.

            But Tacoma man did go to the media and that’s when Toyota caved. He’s still wrong, but it’s easier to pay the claim than fight it out in a pubic arena.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            Mike, the guy with the Tacoma lost in mediation b/c the corrosion warranty on new vehicles effectively only covers rust to BODY PANELS, and even then, it only covers rust to body panels AT THE POINT RUST THROUGH has completely taken place within the warranty period.

            IOW, the “corrosion/rust warranty” manufacturers provide on new vehicles is pretty much worthless, and it really only has any relevance to the exterior surface of galvanized body panels (in the event rust holes appear, i.e. “the poke hole through with a screwdriver applying light pressure” test).

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            @Dead Weight – I replied in the wrong thread. See next one below.

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            @Dead Weight – OK, I’ll clue you in, as to why said parts go unpainted, and therefor have no choice but to start rusting immediately.

            It’s b/c these metal/iron parts are exposed to rock chips/abrasion/high heat, and will rust anyways. Notice these parts hang down low.

            So at least the surface rust is uniform and not a an unsightly mix of peeling, flaking and crusty paint.

            The folks that overreact to seeing rust aren’t aware of exactly what they’re looking at.

            They assume all rust is horrible. Even on a muffler/cat/exhaust.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @Hummer,
            Yours arguement is a a case of relevance, the Escalade is poor Off Road, so it does not matter how many they make, they will not do the job.
            Like giving a Baseball Club thousands of Cricket bats and stating “you can use these to hit the balls”

          • 0 avatar
            Scoutdude

            @ RobertRyan, what does off-road ability have to do with anything, people don’t use an Escalde for that it is for taking the kids to soccer practice during the week and towing the toys on the weekend. The exact same things that a Ranger Rover is used for, oh wait a minute the Range Rover isn’t used for towing the big toys because it isn’t capable of doing that.

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al from Oz

            @Scoutdude,
            They buy a 4×4 and not off road?

            But, yet they will buy an Escalade to tow?

            They buy them because of perception.

            If they bought for engineering or the vehicles dynamics you wouldn’t buy anything on a Silverado chassis unless it was cheap or it’s needed to earn a buck.

            You do tend to come out with some ridiculous comments. I do appreciate some of your technical prowess.

            It appears your ‘monkey see, monkey do’ mechanical mind is good. Stick with that.

            Don’t become involved in anything that requires the summing up of abstract ideas, especially when your paradigms are challenged. You tend to make poor assessments.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @scoutdude,
            Ranger Rovers /v8 Landrcuisers are used extensively Off Road here and other parts of the World. The fact they are not used like that in NA, is irrelevant.
            An Escalade is ONLY a pavement pounder, no use Off Road here or anywhere else. So it it’s irrelevant how many are produced, as they do not the job of a LR,LC or a L70 Toyota

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            ” what does off-road ability have to do with anything”

            Trying to explain anything to the Aussie bogan duo is a waste of time.

            I personally don’t care much for the blingy behemoths, but it’s hard to argue with sales figures, particularly for a vehicle that is almost pure profit margin. (It doesn’t take much to convert fairly pedestrian underpinnings into a $70k truck.)

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            The expected UAW gibberish. Does not sell anywhere else, other than NA, as it is a glorified people mover. This is a big money maker for the OEM in NA, so we will get UAW Trolls , saying how wonderful it is

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            I’m sure that the last comment wasn’t even worth reading, so I won’t bother. These two gasbags are a complete waste of time.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @PCH101,
            It is hard trying to reply to your UAW Gibberish, no matter how stupid it is. Get a better researcher to feed you the lines

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al from Oz

            @Pch101,
            Here’s some enlightening information that you can try to distort with the Pch101 “unreality”.

            The Big 3 mentioned doesn’t even touch on Cadillac, let alone any of the Big 3, Ford, GM and Fiat/Chrysler.

            As I stated why would you buy a Silverado station wagon? Even if it was called a Cadillac?

            They are purchased for perception. The people who buy these don’t care if the world is flat ;)

            I would rather be seen driving a 4.2 diesel Cayenne, any day of the week.

            Remember the earth is round.

            Your paradigms are hard for you to manage. This reminds me of the counseling I give to my young at work. As they mature they realise that their ideals and paradigms only existed between their ears.

            Then reality strikes, they grow up.

            http://www.autonews.com/article/20130401/OEM01/304019997/luxury-big-3-fight-for-sales-prestige-profits#

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            It’s hilarious to be honest, the escalade gives no impression of offroad-ability
            No one who has ever bought an escalade bought it with offroad prowess in mind, and I would add a good portion, if not 99%+ of the land rover buyers are never going to venture offroad. The number of dirt roads that go from paved road to paved road, I can think of, even in the really backwoods area around here, would most likely amount to less than 5 miles, you would have to drive several hundred miles to do all 5 miles of dirt roads, but otherwise your taking trails, and pretty boy bumpers on the land rovers won’t hold up long pushing through deep mud and trees.

            The escalade is built with the real world in mind, it has offered true 4×4 for maybe a total of 3 model years, its first two years, and its current, other wise its always been 2WD or AWD single speed.
            No one who buys this is going to be makin impromptu offroad excursions, and New range rover buyers are no different.

            Big al if people bought for engineering or value perspective Land Rover as a company would have been out of business for well over 25 years now.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @Hummer,
            Correct LR’s would never go Off Road in NA, but 80% do here.Escalade cannot go Off Road, simple as that. Different capabilities, different uses

    • 0 avatar
      racer-esq.

      With its unitized construction and independent rear suspension the rear wheel drive Durango is basically the new Magnum.

    • 0 avatar
      3Deuce27

      That ‘300 wagon’ was a Dodge Magnum.

  • avatar
    racer-esq.

    The big surprise to me is that with its narrow lineup and outdated drivetrains Honda still outsells Nissan.

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      Nissan has really stumbled, but bring on the Juke, the Crosscabriolet and the whale-faced Q-something we’ll wait while you sort it out… Oh, and don’t forget the fat-butt Maxima

    • 0 avatar
      frozenman

      IMHO it’s all about a “focused” line up with a quality/reliability rep and motors that are generally a “peach” throughout their offerings.

    • 0 avatar
      petezeiss

      Nissan’s going to look mightier after a couple more years of Rogue sales. Or at least I hope so. Hopefully they’ve learned the lesson about wasting resources on freakish niche cars.

      Kids don’t buy and freakish never sells big.

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        Have you seen the new Murano? Yikes!

        http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/nissan-resonance-concept-crossover_100416076_l.jpg

        • 0 avatar
          petezeiss

          Oh, yeah.. if that were a coupe you’d have to say it had tailfins.

          OK, you’re right, they’ve learned nothing about restraint. They’ve decided to remain the flaky little brother of the J3.

          Little Joe Katoruaito.

        • 0 avatar
          cargogh

          Birds won’t even know which surface to drop their poop.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Frightened birds tighten up, lol

          • 0 avatar
            petezeiss

            Heh… yeah, so much guano already on it they’ll figure it’s Rocky the Hawk’s drop spot and choose something else.

          • 0 avatar
            fincar1

            Frightened birds actually do the opposite of tighten up. If you’d ever had a near-miss with a seagull while driving you’d know that.

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            @Dead Weight – Why would OEMs leave parts like axles, mufflers, drive shafts, etc, bare metal, if there was a true issue? And those are the parts Tacoma man was arguing about.

            The real argument is why don’t OEMs paint these. Or care if they rust instantly. Why didn’t he argue that? Why wasn’t that ever brought up?

            So are they REALLY arguing about the rust on bare metal parts? That doesn’t sound stup!d to you? That included a scientist at MIT???

            I’ve painted brand new truck axles, for the cosmetics only.

            These and others are not traditionally painted. Probably b/c most truck buyers don’t care either way. We’re not talking anything structural. If consumers demand they be painted, they will be.

            Tacoma man doesn’t sound like a traditional truck owner.

            When it comes to bodies, frames, and structural, consumers assume they’re always covered. It’s actually up to the consumer to take a proactive approach. The OEM has no expectation painted finishes won’t get chipped or collect dirt in crevices.

      • 0 avatar
        VW16v

        CVT issues per consumer reports and many other owners has hurt. Nissan.

    • 0 avatar
      Zykotec

      I’m a bit intrigued myself. They probably deserve the sales a lot more than Hyundi/Kia, but I guess not everyone finds their latest design as cool as I do. People aren’t exactly indifferent to their designs, but not all attention is good attention. ( I think the Juke looks awesome, unlike most Infinitis, so my opinion is probably not worth much…)
      Just because Honda chooses to keep some ‘boring’ engines in their lineup I think calling them outdated is a stretch, they have just never build a ‘large’ powerful engine.

    • 0 avatar
      SCE to AUX

      I’ve read elsewhere that the Leaf now comprises 5% of all Nissan car sales, and that the Leaf outsells every model from Infiniti. It helps that Nissan is getting close to profitable on the thing.

      I actually think Nissan’s mix of mainstream and quirky helps keep their portfolio interesting. Mazda and Mitsubishi could learn from them.

    • 0 avatar
      HerrKaLeun

      outdated Honda drivetrains? Like drivetrains that never need to go to the shop and last 300K miles and still have better fuel mileage than Nissan?

      Or you mean because they don’t follow the charging bandwagon, which “increased” reliability for Ford so much? Or because they waited till they had reliable CVTs before they sell them to the public, unlike Nissan?

    • 0 avatar
      thornmark

      Not really. Honda engines and transmissions are better.

      Nissans sell on price. The KMart of Japanese cars.

      Datsun had a better image. But when they were the Japanese BMW.

    • 0 avatar
      Scoutdude

      Honda does focus on the biggest market segments with the Accord and Civic at least as far as cars go. Nissan spreads itself a little thin trying to compete in so many segments.

  • avatar
    Zykotec

    Would it be totally wrong of me to assume that Honda could be the largest maker of privately sold passenger cars in the world? Or does the Ridgeline have any ‘street cred’ as a Utility vehicle?
    (I haven’t looked up any numbers that divide the sales into passenger cars and utility vehicles, so feel free to tell me I’m wrong if I am)

    • 0 avatar
      petezeiss

      If your point is that Honda doesn’t make a truck, you won’t get an argument on this site.

      Interesting observation you make.

      • 0 avatar
        Zykotec

        Yeah, I think BMW may be the only other large car maker that only makes passenger cars, or did I completely forget something?
        PS: I was probably wrong though, had to check it,Honda is still ‘tiny’ (well, bigger than Ford and Nissan apparrently) without commercial vehicles(although it could be tough to find out how many cars are sold privately )
        :P And even if Volvo isn’t huge, they also build only passenger cars.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry

        pS2,; they also build 15 million motorbikes each year…

        • 0 avatar
          petezeiss

          Honda is an enigma, the steady #2 of Japanese sales in America in spite of starting out as a post-WWII scooter company.

          Meanwhile Nissan with it prewar history and then all the aid the Empire could give it as a truck manufacturer in Manchukuo has devolved into a goofy-ass embarrassment.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Compare that with GM’s history, talk about a “goofy-ass embarrassment”

          • 0 avatar
            petezeiss

            I know, every time I watch a Jam Handy film I’m reminded of that. Doesn’t bear thinking about.

          • 0 avatar
            Zykotec

            The difference with GM that everyone seems to forget is that they are not a car maker per se. Ever since the beginning they were a company that owned several car makers, and they still are. They just happen to kill all their car makers by cutting costs and diluting the product over time, and then replace them with other car makers,that get the name of the old one.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            “The difference with GM that everyone seems to forget is that they are not a car maker”

            There have been times throughout GM’s illustrious past that you would have been hard pressed to find someone to debate this point

          • 0 avatar
            mik101

            I agree Zykotec. Nissan was so bad in the red in the 90s they likely wouldn’t even be around today if it weren’t for Renault.

            Your comment about how GM is simply a company that sucks dry other car companies is spot on.

          • 0 avatar
            3Deuce27

            Actually, Honda made piston rings before moving onto other products.

      • 0 avatar
        RobertRyan

        @petezeiss,
        Only for NA. Ridgeline would not fly anywhere else

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      “Or does the Ridgeline have any ‘street cred’ as a Utility vehicle?”

      As an open-back Pilot yes, as a p-u truck, no

    • 0 avatar
      romismak

      If you are talking about passenger cars than yes Honda is clearly biggest automaker. They are not producing commercial vehicles – pickups,LCV and so on, yes they have that Ridgeline pickup i think in NA but not globally. Every bigger automaker in the world has some pickups or LCV´s , even HCV´s – like VW-Hyudani, GM-Ford, Fiat, Renault-Nissan, even smaller PSA is big in LCV´s,BMW is closes from global automakers as purely pasenger car manufacterer

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        “If you are talking about passenger cars than yes Honda is clearly biggest automaker.”

        It is? I wouldn’t bet on that.

        It certainly isn’t true in the US, where Toyota’s passenger car sales exceed Honda’s by more than 50%.

        • 0 avatar
          romismak

          i mean biggest automaker that is passenger car maker – all bigger automakers are also Commercial vehicle makers, yes Toyota, VW are definitely bigger in passenger cars

          • 0 avatar
            krhodes1

            Actually Honda does make commercial vehicles. They are just really small ones. Do a Google Image Search for Honda Commercial. All sorts of neat little box trucks, flatbeds, dumptrucks and vans.

        • 0 avatar
          Scoutdude

          Yeah in the grand scheme of things Toyota doesn’t sell that many pickups, in the US anyway.

    • 0 avatar
      krhodes1

      Seems unlikely given that Honda only sells about 4M cars a year. That puts them about 8th in the industry, behind PSA – at least as of 2012 (last year I could find data for with a quick google).

      I find it highly unlikely that any of the top 5 sell fewer than 4M *cars* a year. Pickups may be big (and hugely profitable) business in the US, but they don’t sell in significant numbers anywhere else in the world compared to cars. Vans and commercial trucks are a big market, but still small potatoes compared to cars.

      Honda is the worlds largest maker of motorcycles and other power equipment engines. But their US success in cars is not indicative of their world success.

      I would call the Ridgeline a truck, if a very light duty one. But at the numbers they sell, who cares.

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        I just found out not too long ago that Honda is the world’s largest producer of internal combustion engines

      • 0 avatar
        Big Al from Oz

        @krhodes,
        I do think you’ll find if you look at Oceania and SE and E Asia that is the largest pickup market in the world.

        As countries go, yes the US is the largest country, but not market.

        Markets are tending to become regional and not based on an individual country.

        Soon as globalisation becomes more rampant, regions will expand in size.

  • avatar
    Lie2me

    Question for Timothy Cain, the chart says “Market Share in America” but the text only refers to US sales, do these figures include Canada or is this strictly US numbers?

    • 0 avatar
      brn

      Headline says “US”, so I’m assuming Canada (and Brazil) are excluded.

    • 0 avatar
      Timothy Cain

      Canadians do not live in America. The country is part of the continent of North America, but things that are in “America” do not include things that are in Canada.

      You may live on the Mississippi, but that doesn’t mean you’re in Mississippi.

      Canadian September numbers and chart: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/10/canada-auto-sales-results-figures-september-2014-ytd.html

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        People south of the US border tend to use the term “America” differently.

        However, in the Anglo-Saxon world, “America” = “United States of America.” (The Brits were referring to this part of the world as “America” before the US even existed.) I’m not sure why this has to create drama with some people.

        • 0 avatar
          jpolicke

          When something catastrophic happens somewhere in the world, like an earthquake or tsunami, and the inhabitants hear that American aid is coming, they sure aren’t watching the skies for a cargo plane from the Mexican Air Force.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            …and when another country gets bombed by American planes, people don’t suspect the Bolivian Air Force.

            Yes, “America” often refers to the US.

            And,…”America” can be used to describe people in the Americas (i.e., North, Central and South America) more broadly.

          • 0 avatar
            petezeiss

            “they sure aren’t watching the skies for a cargo plane from the Mexican Air Force.”

            True dat. But they might be surprised when a rented Antonov drops pallets.

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        Just trying not to make esoteric assumptions, thanks

        • 0 avatar
          mike978

          Try not to be too nit picky. USA=US=America for most people. If they were refering to the Canadian or Mexican market then that would have clearly be articulated. There is no American market for the whole of North America – it has three separate countries.

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al from Oz

            @mike978,
            Here in Australia we call the United States of Amercia……….’the States’.

            This is a very common term, ie, I just got back from the States.

            It’s funny how people within a country seem to not see what they are called.

            In Australia people from the USA are called;

            1. Americans (yes this is true),

            2. Yanks or Yankee (even though this denotes people from the NE and N),

            3. Seppo’s, a slightly derogatory / affectionate term amongst Australian’s and not to an American, as they are overly sensitive and overly politically correct. This term came about during WWII. Seppo as in septic tank as in full of sh!t.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            “3. Seppo’s, a slightly derogatory / affectionate term amongst Australian’s and not to an American, as they are overly sensitive and overly politically correct. This term came about during WWII. Seppo as in septic tank as in full of sh!t.”

            Oh, kind of like the endearing, if not slightly derogatory term we have for you all… “inmates”

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        There are some surprising differences in the Canadian numbers

        1) Ford 16.2%
        2) GM 14.6%
        3) Chrysler 14.1%
        4) Toyota 10.9%
        5) Hyundai-KIA 10.6%

      • 0 avatar
        petezeiss

        Canadian:
        “If we can’t have your wealth we’re not taking the rap for your wars, racism and cutthroat capitalism.”

        American:
        “Well, that seems like…WAIT! Your heads ARE attached to your jaws! What the hell…?”

      • 0 avatar
        PrincipalDan

        So what Tim actually means is: ‘Merica!

  • avatar
    TW5

    Thanks for you blog, Tim.

    Does anyone know what’s going on with the Subaru XV? It was fully rolled-out by this time last year, but sales increased 60% compared to September 2013. Incentives? or are people seeing them on the roads? 2014 Forester traffic is driving XV sales?

  • avatar
    romismak

    For those wondering about Chrysler being No.3 – yes they are this month, but it´s only 1st time since i think mid 2011 or fall 2011 months, when Toyota was limited with production after Tsunami-earthquake, so don´t make statements like BIG 3 again and so…, because Chrysler most likely won´t in October, November or December do it again- just looked at numbers from 2013 October, November and December and Toyota was clearly bigger than Chrysler – clearly i mean such difference that even Chrysler growing 20% again in next months and Toyota in single digits growht and Toyota will be ahead – that´s best possible sceneario for Chrysler if they will grow just 10-12% no chance even getting close to Toyota, so Toyota will be most likely No.3 in remaining months – if not No.2 ahead of Ford how they did it in August and July, but Ford. So Chrysler won´t be No.3 anytime soon but they are by far best from biggest automakers, outperforming market and other top competitors each month for what 2-3 years? like that streak of 44 or how many months? they are doing great job, but No.3 position is still far far away for them i think

    Toyota is closer to surpass Ford again as No.2 as Chrysler is surpassing Toyota as No.3 – i mean in annual sales like 2015-2016 total sales

  • avatar
    Whatnext

    Pick up trucks are merely this decades equivalent of the SUV in the Nineties: a vehicle too big for much of the buyers’ true needs. Americans just can’t seem to break the habit of driving too much vehicle. For every one construction worker who truly needs a pickup there are five posers.

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      I think it’s pretty cool that people have a choice of buying what they want or buying what they need, the winners, of course, being those who want what they need. The fact that the choice is still theirs is one of the few freedoms of choice left in a rapidly dwindling pool

      • 0 avatar
        SayMyName

        “I think it’s pretty cool that people have a choice of buying what they want or buying what they need, the winners, of course, being those who want what they need. The fact that the choice is still theirs is one of the few freedoms of choice left in a rapidly dwindling pool.”

        Sadly, it’s also an example of how the great unwashed masses tend to make foolhardy choices when left to their own devices.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          Would you rather live under the tyranny of someone who knows what’s best for you or would you rather make your own foolhardy choices or do you see yourself as one of the decision makers?

          • 0 avatar
            SayMyName

            I think this country has more than its reasonable share of irresponsible morons. We’ve already seen what those elements do when granted undeserved authority.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            You want to give up your choices because of a few irresponsible morons, I don’t

          • 0 avatar
            SayMyName

            And for now that’s your right. Some can handle that responsibility; others need a boot on their neck, so to speak. I’m open to trying a meritocracy.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            The problem is who decides who’s too stupid to think for themselves

    • 0 avatar
      petezeiss

      Deep, whatnext.

      I’ve never heard that before.

    • 0 avatar
      Carlson Fan

      You have to work construction to need a PU? WOW! – thanks for filling me in.

    • 0 avatar
      Scoutdude

      For every 5 construction workers that drive a pickup 4 of them really need a van. ;)

      • 0 avatar
        RobertRyan

        Here, Japanese Light /MDT.Trucks, Asian Pickups, , Australian Utes Asian/European Vans, then European Cab Chassis versions of Vans.Finally USstyle, European and Japanese HDT’s

    • 0 avatar
      Mandalorian

      Don’t tell me how to live my life. :)

      Like I have mentioned before. My next vehicle will be a 6.2L F250 that only goes to the mall, gym and grocery store.

  • avatar

    Without saturn and pontaic I don’t see how GM can maintain even 18% of the market.

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