By on February 21, 2014

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The Dodge Avenger was a contentious topic on TTAC. For some, it made the Dart redundant, offering the cheapest 283 horsepower money could buy. For others, it was a dreadful pile of crap, fit for sub-prime buyers, rental fleets and not much else.

Last month, we reported that the Avenger would die, to help prevent cannibalizing Dart sales and to align with Chrysler’s strategy of having one mid-size sedan per brand. On February 14th, the last Avenger rolled off the line at Sterling Heights. TTAC’s consensus on the Avenger is mixed. Nonetheless, we salute it. Where else can you get Pentastar power at poverty prices?

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131 Comments on “TTAC Salutes The Dodge Avenger...”


  • avatar
    Halftruth

    With the Pentastar motor, I think these will become used car bargains and maybe, a sought after modern classic? Easy B&B, just sayin’..

  • avatar
    PrincipalDan

    Cheap speed, that’s what ‘Murica is about.

    Whenever I see an Avenger or 200 I look for the telltale dual exhausts to indicate the V6. I have seen those cars accelerate pretty rapidly with Penstar power.

  • avatar
    Zackman

    Although I only drove a rental Avenger over a year ago in Florida, it was a very capable car, but it just had no appeal to me at the time.

    A guy here at work has the “hot” V6 (SXT I think), and it looks pretty sharp. He raves about it, so perhaps it isn’t such a bad car.

    Either the car stunk because it was a 4 cyl. rental version, or it was cool because it had the V6 and equipped accordingly.

    Sometimes – most times? Chrysler just can’t win.

  • avatar
    cargogh

    They must be advertised as bargains on TV or in the paper because my Mom, 77, in her way of car shopping asked about it the other day. All answers must be less than a paragraph or she will shut down saying, “I don’t want to talk about cars.

    “Is the Avenger a good car, and are they planning to restyle it anytime soon?”

    “It would be a good choice for you. But I think they’re doing away with the whole car soon. Chrysler’s bringing out a totally new 200–like Lola drives, but much nicer. If you want it, get the V6. You’ll get to church on time.”

    “Does it come in a hatchback?”

    • 0 avatar
      PrincipalDan

      “Does it come in a hatchback?”

      You have a very practical mother, I’d say show her a Focus hatch but that might be too small inside for her.

      • 0 avatar
        cargogh

        I did and she liked it. But Sister has more pull than I, and told her it was too small. When Sister looks at something newer than a 1999 model, I bet that will be Mom’s route.

      • 0 avatar

        > I’d say show her a Focus hatch but that might be too small inside for her.

        Sick burn, dude.

        • 0 avatar
          cargogh

          I’m sure the Principal meant too small in regards to all the other “American” hatchbacks available in that class in Kentucky. Thankfully, Ford still makes a hatch.
          Mom is around 5′-2″/ 125lbs, so no offense.
          If she had grown out like a couple of her friends, I’d have to ask P. Dan just how bigga boy is he? and also consider the fact that interior volume may indeed be lacking in the Focus.

          • 0 avatar
            PrincipalDan

            I actually did mean that the interior of the Focus is small even compared to the other cars in the class. If mom wants to take three friends to lunch, will they all fit?

            The Cruze has one of the largest interiors in the compact class but unfortunately the hatchback version is not available stateside.

            The Avenger is midsize but is a bit small compared to its competition so I’d say the Avenger is a 1/2 size up from the Focus.

            FWIW I’m 5’11″, 160 with a 34 in inseam, so I’m all legs. I’ve never been in the back seat of an Avenger but I’ve been in the back of a Journey (based on the same platform) and with the front seat adjusted for me I found the rear seat comfortable.

  • avatar
    Lie2me

    After all the beatings the Avenger has taken from most every car site we’re now suppose to salute it? OK, but what car will be the new whipping boy?

    • 0 avatar
      Land Ark

      By many of the replies to yesterday’s tread, I’d say the FR-S.

    • 0 avatar
      87 Morgan

      I nominate the VW Jetta. The rental version is awful.

    • 0 avatar

      I suspect the Panther love will become Panther loathe.

    • 0 avatar
      gearhead77

      I believe the Impala got the same treatment. Same thing. Old platform+ new motor= new love. ‘Merica, as it were…

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        Panther loathe? The panther has gone through more love/hate cycles then the Mustang

      • 0 avatar
        PrincipalDan

        @gearhead77, 300+ hp direct injection, varitable valve timing, and a 6 speed auto that wants fool you into thinking that the 6 it is hooked to is actually a SBC will make you forgive many sins of an almost 30 year old platform.

        Oh and the fact that they loose 50% of their vaule pronto for us used car buyers.

        • 0 avatar
          gearhead77

          My father in law has an Impala with the 3.6 and I had one as a rental once. Power is fun, but nothing else about that car is.

          If only Lucerne had lived to see that powertrain, my FIL would have one. And they always seemed better done than the Impala.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            The W body Impala (rental grade classic edition) is tragically bad in terms of interior plastics, fit and finish, ergonomics and seats. It a dreaded place to be, and I was shocked when JB did his review of it, praising it.

            Yes, the motor pulls strong and snooth, and is efficient at highway cruising, but in every other way, the car represents the worst aspects of General Motors pre-BK.

        • 0 avatar
          krhodes1

          Got to drive an Impala from Dallas most of the way to OKC and back recently. Nope, 300hp did not make me forget that the car is a steaming pile of dung. But it is worlds better than an Avenger, which was my other choice. Not a good rental day at DFW.

          • 0 avatar
            ponchoman49

            Yup the 2013 red Jewel Impala LT sitting in my driveway is so horrible that I point blank chose it over cars such as the Avenger, the current Taurus which I term the anti- TARDIS bigger on the outside and smaller on the inside or the complete opposite of the Doctor’s time machine and I enjoy it much more than the real steaming pile of the mid size rental fleet the 2014.5 Camry SE 2.5 which I literally couldn’t wait to get back into my Impala after me and a friend spent the day inside one!

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Well, next time someone offers you a Camry to skip your Punctuation Studies 101 class, you won’t make that mistake again.

      • 0 avatar
        87 Morgan

        I dunno. The rental impala never advertised itself as something it wasn’t. If anything the new impala is the opposite of the Jetta. The gen V Jetta was a nice car the new version is not. The rental impala was/is tolerable the new version is quite nice. VW is advertising the new Jetta as if it is as nice as the old, GM never advertised the old impala.

        • 0 avatar
          bball40dtw

          Same with the Passat. I really liked the last version, especially in wagon form. Too bad the VR6 4Motion wagon was as expensive as a large SUV, and drank gas like one. The recent Passat rental I had was terrible. It made me miss my usual Taurus.

    • 0 avatar
      djsyndrome

      Non-Evo Lancer. Wretched machine that was past its sell-by date the day it was born.

    • 0 avatar
      CoreyDL

      The next logical vehicle would be a Mitsubishi of some sort.

      Without researching, I’ve always assumed lots of the Avengers mechanicals and parts are actually Mitsubishi-sourced. Dunno if this is true or false, but they attract the same sort of buyers.

      • 0 avatar
        MLS

        The 200/Avenger platform was derived from the Mitsubishi Galant’s, as it was developed before the DaimlerChrysler-Mitsubishi alliance (and ultimately DaimlerChrysler merger) fell apart. The four-cylinder “World Engine” was also developed in cooperation with Mitsubishi and Hyundai, though each manufacturer produced its own variation. Shared development aside, I don’t think there are many interchangeable parts.

        • 0 avatar
          rickhamilton620

          It’s actually related to the Lancer. The Galant, Eclipse and Endeavour rode on a significnatly larger and different platform dubbed “Project America.”

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            Mitsubishi really does deserve to die in a flaming ball of fire.

            They should unveil their last car for 2015, the Mitsubishi “Zero,” and then quit producing it within 6 months, while announcing that they are finally, PERMANENTLY withdrawing from the North American Market.

            Instead, I’m now seeing a really cheesy commercial for the Mitsubishi Outlander Sport, with a tagline “There’s a new beauty in town,” set to the music of Bobby Caldwell’s “What you won’t do for love?”

            Die, Mitsubishi, DIE!!!

  • avatar
    bills79jeep

    The V6 model may be all about cheap thrills, but the rental 4 I drove was just plain sad. I love simple in a vehicle – less sh*t to break. But the Avenger was just a sea of grey plastic inside. There is a difference between decontented and crap design. Hey, at least it was better than the Mitsubishi whatever I had later in the trip.

  • avatar
    rpol35

    A bit of a conundrum. I rent a lot of cars for business (you can see where this is going) and this is one that I generally avoid. My experience with it is mixed. It’s a simple to operate, seemingly well screwed together car and I can appreciate that. Beyond that, I don’t find it all that pleasing an experience to drive. Good for the money I guess but I think that it runs out of steam beyond that. I will admit, I have never driven a Pentastar version, only the 4 cyl which I would rate as dismal on performance; only the last Jetta that I rented was worse.

    Appearance? It’s subjective, doesn’t do much for me, unless it has that goofy looking spoiler in which case I rate it a fail, otherwise it’s OK.

    It’s easy for me to see where the Avenger would have a lot of supporters and a lot of detractors.

  • avatar
    bfisch81

    Relevant: http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18l488plnmho3gif/ku-medium.gif

  • avatar
    Lorenzo

    What’s Dodge’s OTHER mid-size car? Does Sergio actually believe the Dart is mid-size? It’s a compact, about the same size as my old ’95 Altima. The Avenger is 10 inches longer, an inch wider and has a 3 inch longer wheelbase. In fact, the Avenger is closer in size to the original Dart.

    While the old Altima moved up from compact to mid-size, and the old Corolla moved from subcompact to compact, FCA is downsizing but keeping the new midget cars in the same classification. Chrysler was always known for giving you more car for the money, and that’s probably a reason the old Daimler/Cerberus models have sold well, with lots of cash on the hood.

    I suspect Sergio is going to phase out Dodge the way he’s reduced the lineups of every other nameplate. Dodge needs another Neon, and another Omni, but those niches will probably be filled with Fiats. The Challenger and Charger won’t have a next generation, but will be dropped when sales wane, and the Dart can easily be turned back into an Alfa, and Dodge will be gone.

    • 0 avatar
      cargogh

      Someone will probably ask about what happens to Dodge trucks and the Viper.

      • 0 avatar
        cgjeep

        They have already started with the trucks. They are/will be sold under the Ram brand. Viper I imagine will be sold under SRT.

      • 0 avatar
        cdotson

        cargogh,

        There are no Dodge trucks anymore. All pickups and commermcial vehicles are sold under the “RAM” brand. There are CUV/SUVs…Journey and Durango, but those could just as easily be moved to Ram if you really want to kill off “Dodge.”

        Viper is already no longer a Dodge, being sold as “SRT Viper.” It’s not on the Dodge website, you can only find it on drivesrt.com.

        • 0 avatar
          danio3834

          Yes, they could kill off Dodge, but they aren’t any time soon. There are many Dodge branded vehicles in the pipe.

        • 0 avatar
          CoreyDL

          I really think they screwed themselves with associating the Viper as “not Dodge.” Same for the other SRT models. I get they want to do an AMG-type arrangement to gain prestige and credibility. But AMG doesn’t play as separate from Mercedes. You can’t go to an AMG store, you can’t go to an SRT store – they should be on the same website, and have closer association.

          *Cue BTSR rant here*

    • 0 avatar
      heavy handle

      The new Chrysler 200 is effectively Dodge’s mid-size. If Dodge sold a cheaper 200, it would compete against the Dart. It’s actually a good product mix, given that most dealers carry all 3 brands (Chrysler, Dodge, Ram).

    • 0 avatar
      danio3834

      The replacement midsize car is the new Chrysler 200. There are no stand alone Chrysler or Dodge dealers, so the 200 will be in the same showroom with Darts giving customers a natural progression.

      • 0 avatar
        CoreyDL

        An interesting thing to realize. I hadn’t thought of this before.

        Previously, like when Chrysler had a full line of it’s own large cars, were there stand-alone Chrysler shops?

        Or has it always been Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Eagle/AMC/Plymouth/SRT/Imperial?

        • 0 avatar
          danio3834

          Way back when, there were Chryco dealers that only had select brands. Since the reorganization however, all in North America are at least C/D/J/R. I don’t believe there are any restrictions on SRT except for Viper. Now with Ram also creating a commercial division, only certain dealers will be selling commercial vehicles like Promaster, and Fiat franchises are treated as separate dealers.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I recall over in my hometown, the dealer kept up the Eagle sign long after Eagle was gone, as well as the Plymouth portion.

            Thx for the dealer division info though. Definitely the best idea to sell Fiat separately.

        • 0 avatar
          MLS

          In the past, Chrysler was paired with Plymouth (with little product overlap, if you bought the idea that the former was an upscale make), Jeep with Eagle (again, no overlap), and Dodge stood alone.

          After the demises of Eagle and Plymouth in 1999 and 2001, respectively, there were many standalone Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep dealerships. The effort to consolidate independent dealerships under one roof began at the end of the DaimlerChrysler era, as I recall.

        • 0 avatar
          MRF 95 T-Bird

          Back in the day my local dealer was
          Chrysler/Plymouth/Imperial/Valiant.

          When the Valiant was introduced it was it’s own model line.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        Danio – maybe there are no standalones in your area, but there are plenty of separate Dodge and Chrysler dealers in Denver. Some are combined, but most aren’t.

        Just FYI…maybe that’s a regional thing where you live?

    • 0 avatar

      According to the allpar sources the next dodge midsize will be a smaller version of the charger and include RWD. Based on Alpha or Alpha based on it depending on whos talking.

  • avatar
    dwford

    I suppose a used “real” Avenger could be something to look at. By real I mean one that was sold to a retail customer, not an SE/SXT rental stripper model, but good luck finding one of those.

    • 0 avatar
      CoreyDL

      I see em sometimes! The customer was searching for the Mitsubishi dealer, and before they got to the lower back-end of town, they pulled into Dodge instead.

    • 0 avatar
      Lorenzo

      The “rental stripper” is mentioned a lot here, but I’ve never seen one. I’ve rented cars for 30 years, from Hertz, Avis, National, Budget, and Thrifty, and have never been given a “stripper” model. The closest I got was one time at National, when I was given an Impala that didn’t have Onstar or the rear view mirror auto dimmer, and I was actually thankful for that, since I hate auto dimmers. The car had every other option, so I couldn’t call it a stripper. Who rents out these strippers?

  • avatar
    dwford

    I really don’t understand Fiat/Chrysler’s showroom strategy. Having several incomplete brands under one roof makes the assumption that a Dodge customer will automatically consider the a Chrysler if there isn’t a Dodge branded model that meets the need. I don’t see that happening. Even though for years Dodge and Chrysler models have been identical save the grill, they appeal to different customers.

    • 0 avatar
      danio3834

      Sergio figures it’s better than buidling two vehicles with unique parts that crib each other’s sales. The Dart, 200, Charger and 300 are all sold in the same showroom, so the progression is there. Until more brand unique products come out, it makes sense not to fill each brand completely as the products will overlap.

      • 0 avatar
        dwford

        “brand unique” just means low volume, which means unsustainable. It’s not that hard to build 2 very different vehicles on the same platform with no overlap in the customers eyes – just look at VW and Audi. GM does it with it’s platforms and even Ford is starting to.

        • 0 avatar
          danio3834

          Chrysler is following the same path, there will be extensive platform sharing as we’re seeing already with Cherokee, Dart and 200. In the case of the 200, a Dodge variant of the same car would have to compete in the same segment at similar prices.

          Sergio has made it clear that he doesn’t want overlapping models in the same showrooms as Chrysler and Dodge dealers are all paired together.

          The Dodge that eventually fits between Dart and Charger will be very different than the 200, but will still share platforms with other FCA vehicles.

          • 0 avatar
            mjz

            I think they are working on making Chrysler the mainstream volume brand, like Ford. Dodge will be sort of an affordable American sporty, performance line that will probably share platforms with some of the new Alfas to justify the platform costs for Alfa. Sort of FCA’s Pontiac. I think the new RWD Alfa Romeo Guilia and the Avenger replacement are going to be on the same platform. Thus, it will not compete directly with the FWD Chrysler 200 in the showrooms. That’s also why Chrysler will have the sole minivan entry next revamp.

    • 0 avatar
      Don Mynack

      It’s neither a real Dodge, nor a real Avenger. Discuss.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      I think the idea is for Dodge to be the brand that sells sporty cars, and Chrysler to sell semi-upscale mainstream cars. If Chrysler were a GM brand, it would slot between Chevy and Buick.

      It does make some sense, if for no other reason than this: when I think of Dodge, I can’t think of a truly competitive mainstream car in the Ford/Chevy/Honda/Toyota mold, but I do think of Challengers, Vipers and hemi Chargers. This is probably because almost all of Dodge’s “mainstream” product was so bad for so long, but their performance cars have had decent cred for quite some time now, and there’s a strong heritage there.

      Will it work? We shall see. I think a lot depends on the success of Jeep and Ram.

      • 0 avatar
        PrincipalDan

        @FreedMike, you make a good point. Just start seaching used Dodges on Auto Trader or a similar site.

        Avenger, Journey, Caravan – terrible resale value

        Charger, Challenger – (especially the V8s) strong resale value

        It is as if the brand has a split personality. Cars that would have been better off as Plymouths and sports/muscle cars that people desire.

      • 0 avatar
        jjf

        When I think of Dodge I think of Al Bundy’s Dodge Duster that was the butt of many jokes on “Married with Children.” Funny how media shapes perception.

        • 0 avatar
          Lorenzo

          That was a Plymouth Duster, and it was a huge sales success. You could get one with the 340 V8 and outrun several muscle cars. You could also get one with a slant six and buy a bunch of decals. The show’s writers probably traded on the popularity and ubiquity of the model by mentioning it so much, but Al Bundy’s particular car was the joke.

  • avatar
    PRNDLOL

    I can’t think of another car (other than any Mitsubishi) that shouts “I’m a low class, high default risk, uneducated tool who really should be driving a 199something sh!tebox instead” any louder.

  • avatar
    Maymar

    The Avenger is so dreadful, I managed to come up with enough complaints after one day rental to talk the rental company out of charging me for a second day after dropping it off a couple hours late. Good riddance to that pile of Daimler/Cerberus era mediocrity.

    • 0 avatar
      ponchoman49

      Sounds just like our experience with a 2014.5 Camry SE 2.5. We were late bringing it back but spelled out all the issues like missing equipment we thought the trim level below the top line XLE should have had including a power seat which killed both of our backs because it was never in just the right position. The ill tempered 6 speed automatic that liked to occasionally thunk on upshifts, the totally useless glove box light, the 1990′s primitive dial knobs where automatic climate controls should be, sluggish acceleration and lower than stated highway mileage and an interior that was so cheaply constructed that the HVAC vent in the front center of the dash that liked to pop out when briskly taking off were also brought up and had the receptionist so embarrassed that we weren’t penalized for being late. In fact she gave us a coupon for 30% off our next purchase for our troubles along with an apology.

      • 0 avatar
        CoreyDL

        Why would a rental place CARE that you thought their rental car should have more standard equipment? I wonder if you realize how foolish you sounded to the woman, who gave you the 30% off coupon to get you to leave the office.

  • avatar
    Flipper35

    You can get a decently equipped new one around here for $18506 advertised.

    http://www.russdarrowchryslerjeep.com/new/Dodge/2014-Dodge-Avenger-87db42610a0a00e0014e983a0ab4f4c9.htm

    About $13k used with the pentastar.

    • 0 avatar
      CoreyDL

      For 13K I can find you a really nice Lexus, and people won’t think you’ve got Galant-grade credit.

      • 0 avatar
        Don Mynack

        Laughing.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        Make it so.

        • 0 avatar
          PrincipalDan

          Hey don’t forget the Avenger Stationwagon, err… I mean Journey.

          V6, near 300hp, AWD, 6 speed trans… make mine chocolate brown. ;) Isn’t that what every real enthusiast wants!?!?!?

        • 0 avatar
          CoreyDL

          Since I assume you’re serious, here’s one.

          http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lexus-ES-Base-Trim-2003-Lexus-ES300-super-low-miles-sunroof-heated-seats-gorgeous-car-49-138-miles-/201040522543?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2ecef2ed2f&item=201040522543&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

          This is better than a used Avenger.

          Or this:

          http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lexus-IS-Base-Sedan-4-Door-3-5L-CD-Rear-Wheel-Drive-Traction-Control-Stability-Control-Aluminum-/111231875061?forcerrptr=true&hash=item19e5efb7f5&item=111231875061&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

          • 0 avatar
            ponchoman49

            There is a reason the Lexus IS is inexpensive used starting with that useless back seat and the V6 that thinks it’s a 4 cylinder in the 250 version. The fact that it’s RWD with those silly rubber band tires means utterly useless traction in snow belt climates too and one must get a 9 year old car with nearly 140K miles and pay that kind of money. That and the fact it looks like a cheap Corolla.

  • avatar
    raresleeper

    The only people I see buying these Avengers are either A.) individuals with subprime credit (in which the buy-here pay-here type dealerships are making a killing off of) or B.) people that have no clue as to what other types of cars are available, like they have tunnel-vision going right to stripped out used rental fleet vehicles or just wanted to hurry up and get the car shopping process over with.

    But oh, boy… a V6 model! PentaStar!

    No thanks.

  • avatar
    Drzhivago138

    On our return trip from San Diego, our flight from Denver to home was cancelled. So we drove home. Dad rented an Avenger, and it wasn’t _terrible_, but there was nothing “awesome” about it. Except the door in the back seat that opened up to the trunk–that was cool. I’ve literally not ridden nor driven a sedan since driver’s ed, so I don’t know if that’s a standard thing.

    Of course, anything that was really “good” about it was outshined by the Fusion my uncle rented.

  • avatar
    dal20402

    Like the last-gen Impala, these cars have a nice powertrain dropped into an utterly terrible car. Suspension and steering is the worst thing about them, and is not helped by Flexi-Flyer unibody stiffness. The interiors aren’t great either (although much better than the pre-2011 versions), the seats are uncomfortable, and the “styling” is a laughable joke — the cars look like 15-year-old fleet cars.

  • avatar
    mjz

    It will be interesting to see if the Dart’s sales increase with the Avenger gone, since that seems to have been its biggest competition in the showroom. A LOADED Dart GT or Limited is $21-$24k, vs a loaded 2015 200 at around $30-32k. Since they have pretty much addressed the powertrain issues with the Dart, making the 2.4 standard on almost all trim lines, and cut out all the confusing option choices, I would expect the Dart to start picking up customers that might come in to look at the new 200, but drive out of the dealership in a better priced (and essentially very similar) car.

  • avatar
    Zykotec

    I always thought they looked cool, like many other CryCo cars, but part of that is because they are rare as hens teeth here in Europe, and really stick out in a sea of Golfs and Passats. I did sit in one when they first appeared too, an the interior is quite horrible by European standards, but pretty typical of most Chryslers and Jeeps over here at the time. (don’t trust my judgement on the looks though, I love PTCruisers and Crosstours too)

  • avatar
    NoGoYo

    When you drive a POS GM product from the 90s, an Avenger suddenly becomes very appealing…

    • 0 avatar
      PrincipalDan

      @NoGoYo, speak truth, Brother.

      Not everyone has the budget or the desire to take on a monthly payment for a car that will impress the neighbors or the boss. Some want a good cheap reliable ride for the smallest possible monthly payment. Some are tickled to get a very strong engine and more than 4-gear transmission for a nice price. Some know that their kids will destroy the interior and don’t want a “nice” interior nor do they wish to pay for it.

      And some of us exclusively buy used cars and are looking for “value” however it is that we define it for ourselves.

      • 0 avatar
        NoGoYo

        I would be plenty happy with 283 horsepower, a car that isn’t falling to pieces as I drive it, and a warranty. Guess, as someone else put it, I’m “a low class, high default risk, uneducated tool who really should be driving a 199something sh!tebox instead”. =P

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          I’d rather have fewer horsepower and a car that doesn’t feel like a bowl of spaghetti every time I want to turn or go over a bump, but that’s just me.

          • 0 avatar
            NoGoYo

            Well of course, if I could get something else that didn’t have 6 digit mileage and the crap kicked out of it that was better and cost the same, I wouldn’t be buying an Avenger…

            I’m just trying to argue from the position of “upgrading from a beat old POS to something that at least is new and has a warranty”.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            Sure. And my argument is that if you drop the requirement for 283 horsepower you can get much better cars for the same price as an Avenger. A lightly optioned Mazda3 or Focus comes to mind.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            dal-

            I’d take that Focus all day over an Avenger. I don’t even care about the 120 HP disadvatage. Used 2012-13 Focus SEs with the manual transmission are going for $11K-14K around me. None have over 30K miles.

          • 0 avatar
            NoGoYo

            I’m not a compact car guy, but I guess if a Focus was all I could afford, I’d take it.

          • 0 avatar

            But you don’t get a fast highway cruiser with all the options you need for 14K brand new (actual dealer ad I heard this morning for an SE v6 from a Springfield Mass dealer).

          • 0 avatar
            ponchoman49

            Not one car made today unless your talking about a Scion IQ or a Smart car feels like a bowl of spaghetti when turned or going over a bump so this statement makes no sense.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        Exactly. People with good credit like a bargain too.

        • 0 avatar
          PrincipalDan

          Pssssssssss… those people sometimes have good credit because when “the Bank” tells them that they could borrow up to $25,000 for a car they only borrow $12,000 to $15,000 and keep their monthly payment lower instead of living paycheck to paycheck.

          • 0 avatar
            shipping96

            ^^Truth^^. When my paid off car has gotten to the point where it no longer is worth it to fix it, I’ll be bargain hunting. I love cars, I find them interesting, I love new technologies. But I could care less what somebody else thinks of me (that I am a sub-prime mortgage risk, lol). My priorities are financial independence, a funded retirement, and a chance for my kids to graduate from college without a mountain of debt.

    • 0 avatar
      ponchoman49

      Your confused. Any 90′s Gm product I owned was miles better than the Avenger Chrysler made back at the time or now.

  • avatar
    Bunter1

    I forgot these even existed.

    What next, the Skoda Fabia Sport?

    Bunter

  • avatar
    Ion

    The Avenger wasn’t a bad car but it wasn’t a great car either. The one person I know who bought one (as opposed to being given a company one) did so because it was a cheap, no frills, fairly reliable, midsized sedan.

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    The original Avenger and Sebring deserved their bad rap, but the refreshed versions are actually quite nice, particularly the model with the V-6.

  • avatar
    James2

    All this talk about Dodges and I can only think… Ron Burgundy and soft D…

  • avatar
    gtemnykh

    Time for a new NASCAR-back to its roots racing series:

    Spec Impala + Avenger.

    Both are rental favorites and pretty darn cheap ex-fleet. Both seem evenly matched if the Avenger has the pentastar in it. That would be some good racing, I tell ya what.

    • 0 avatar
      PrincipalDan

      I would watch that. Take out all the glass and replace it with that racing plastic, install the safety cage, weld the doors shut… Bingo! I’d either watch or DVR the whole freaking season of racing.

      • 0 avatar
        gtemnykh

        I dream of a true stock-car racing series. Round up all the current 4 door midsizers, split them into 2 classes:

        Low-po class: lower trim naturally aspirated 4cyl engines (2.4 Accord, 2.5 Camry, 2.5 Malibu, 2.4 Sonata/Optima, 2.5 Altima, etc)

        High-po class: V6 accord, v6 camry, 2.0T sonata/optima, 2.0T malibu, 2.0T fusion

        Another question would be transmissions. Should the Accord, Mazda 6, and Fusion be allowed to run their stick shift models?

        mandate safety equipment/roll cages and allow some basic upgrades in terms of brakes and tires. Remove the glass, tape over headlights if need be. But keep the cars as stock as possible.

        I’d kill to see something like that happen. It’d be a return to “Race on Sunday, sell on Monday”

  • avatar
    Atum

    My only memory of the 200/Avenger was my dad sitting in one at the 2012 auto show (I was only 5’9″ at the time, and I didn’t sit in it), and he didn’t fit in it. He’s not even an inch taller than me now (he’s 6’4″).

    Plus, in the fiercely competitive midsized sedan segment, the 200/Avenger flopped. Cars such as the Accord beat it in every aspect, even the rigorous small overlap, which the 200/Avenger did fairly well on.

    • 0 avatar
      Thatkat09

      The 200/Avenger was at a huge disadvantage though with the small overlap test and performed quite well for its age. I’d argue that when the Sebring debuted in 2007, it was the safest mid-size car on the market, probably could have helped with the advertising(which was horrible btw) and gained Chrysler a couple of sales from the Volvo crowd looking for something more affordable. The fact that a 6 year old model performed as good if not better than some of the much newer competition should show that Chrysler put some effort into engineering the damn thing.

  • avatar
    ajla

    I haven’t driven a Pentastar version, but I have driven some pre 2011 ones and I recall them being quite poor.

    At least the Sebring/200 came as a convertible.

  • avatar
    CapVandal

    I say forget special safety equipment.

    They got air bags in em, no? Radial tires. Anti lock brakes. WTF.

    The minute you start adding something that isn’t in the showroom, its a slippery slope.

  • avatar
    chicagoland

    Bye bye rental/BHPH/el cheapo car! Ad, I am sick of the badge engineering fans who demand rows of cars with only different trim and they go ga-ga over the “divisional identities”, BFD about the differing grilles and lights. Why bother?

    “Wahhh, where’s the Dodge version of 200?!” No more overlapping badge jobs, and sales people claiming they are ‘built at different factories’. If you want a Mopar built mid size car, get a C-200.

    If can’t afford it, you should buy a used car. Car companies are not charities that should ‘give away’ outdated products at a huge losses, just for fans of “old style cars”.

  • avatar
    mkirk

    I suspect this car is destined for LeMons greatness in a decade or so.

    • 0 avatar
      Lorenzo

      You really think it’ll take that long for banged up examples to show up? The Pentastar and transaxle might be okay, but deteriorating electronic components causing interminable troubleshooting problems might give Lucas a run for their reputation and produce a bunch of LeMons candidates.

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    I’ve had a 4 banger poverty spec rental a Pentastar 6. The 4-banger was AWFUL – the V6 with some more options was surprisingly — acceptable.

  • avatar
    agent534

    I went and test drove a 2012 V6 Avenger after reading the praise here.
    Its a former rental with under 17k miles for $13K with keyless entry and power windows, and not much else.
    The car really does move pretty good. As a daily driver, which I need, I’m not sure there is a better deal out there.
    As a daily driver, this meets all my needs. If this is your only car, then you might want something a little more, but this looks like a great option for me. Thinking about picking it up.

  • avatar
    nine11c2

    give it a few years..at $7K with a Pentastar v6,,it’ll be a screaming buy..


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