By on December 31, 2013

BMW-Toyota-partnership

We already knew that Fiat and Mazda are jointly developing s sports car platform, Now, BMW’s development chief Herbert Diess told a German newspaper that the German automaker and Toyota will jointly develop and share a new platform for sports cars. “We have agreed on a joint architecture for a sports car. What is important is that there will be two different vehicles that are authentic to the two brands,” the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung quoted Diess as saying.

In June of 2012, BMW and Toyota signed a technology agreement covering cooperation on lithium-air batteries and lightweight technology. At the time the two companies said that they were looking into the possibility of creating a joint platform for an all new midsize sports car. That feasibility study was expected to be completed by the end of 2013. We’re at the end of 2013 and based on Diess’ comments, the study likely said that it’s feasible.

The newspaper said that Diess declined to provide details on specific models that would come to fruition from the agreement.

That hasn’t stopped speculation. Based on comments made in August by Toyota’s chief engineer of the GT86/FR-S sports car shared with Subaru, Tatsuya Tada, many think that Toyota’s share of the tie up with BMW will be a successor to the Supra. There are rumors that Toyota will reveal the next Supra at the big North American International Auto Show in Detroit next month.

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17 Comments on “BMW and Toyota Will Jointly Develop Sports Car Platform. New Supra to Result?...”


  • avatar
    felix

    Makes sense. BMW has been trying hard in recent years to make their cars dull and boring. Might as well learn from the masters.

  • avatar
    Kyree S. Williams

    The thing is that both BMW and Toyota have performance in their blood, but neither company has been taking advantage of it. BMW pretty much excludes its “Ultimate Driving Machine” tag line from anything not beginning with an M, including all of the weight gain and synthetic exhaust sound that comes with the privilege, and Toyota is on an exercise to see just how many vehicles it can base on the decidedly-non-sporty Camry and still get away with it. This exercise *might* bring out the best in each brand, but I doubt it. Maybe one or both of them should have teamed up with Lotus…a company that actually earns a lot of its revenue for doing contract-engineering for other automakers.

  • avatar
    fredtal

    I’m still not sure what to make of this. I think my concern is that my beloved Lotus is sitting there with an uncertain future (again) I would think Toyota would gain a lot more from hooking up with them, and Lotus would have a future for a few more years.

  • avatar
    JMII

    Will BMWs twin turbo fit into the FR-S? If so instant Supra!

  • avatar
    Beerboy12

    Who will Toyota team up with next? Subaru first, BMW now… Toyota builds muscle car with…?

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    The reliability of BMW, and the performance of a Toyota. Introducing the 2019 Mediocrity S.

  • avatar
    87 Morgan

    I am not a fan of these arrangements. From an enthusiast standpoint I like brand identity and the quirks that come with. Both Toyota and BMW have the resources to produce a top tier sports car if they chose to.
    I guess you have to give GM props for sticking with the Corvette. Love it or hate it, it is unique to GM and near as I can tell they have ever asked for any other manufacturers opinion or advice on what the next generation should be.
    Same can be said for Morgan, Porsche and a handful of other Marques. I do get that Morgan sources their drivetrain from BMW, but that is it. Otherwise the only characteristics they share is reliability, which with Morgan falls into the quirks category. Love it or hate it, you get them when own one.

    • 0 avatar
      NoGoYo

      Well the original ZR1 had an engine with design work by Lotus, but that’s about it. And GM owned Lotus at the time, so technically they still kept it within GM.

    • 0 avatar
      RobertRyan

      @87 Morgan
      As a result are primarily a NA only Sportscar. Not a bad thing as they have a very loyal fan base.BMW/Toyota want a global product that can be sold virtually anywhere.

  • avatar

    I just hope it has windows big enough to see out of.

  • avatar
    KrisZ

    First we had the Toybaru and now the Bimmyota, should be interesting.

  • avatar
    RollaRider10

    I wish Toyota would find the guts to build their own sports car without anyone else helping. I’m sure if there is a new Supra it will be excellent, as is the 86. But will BMW allow Toyota to build a convertible version? Or a TRD version? I assume a new Supra would be priced as a cheaper alternative to the 4-series so BMW might restrict it to help their car. Is this really what Toyota wants?

    • 0 avatar
      Pch101

      The platform itself can be fairly limited. Depending upon how one defines “platform”, it can just be the undercarriage.

      That would determine the wheelbase, width, and engine mounting points. But presumably, the drivetrain, suspension tuning and everything above the platform wouldn’t have to be (and probably won’t be) shared. This is an efficiency exercise, not badge engineering.

  • avatar
    Johannes Dutch

    Part of this BMW-Toyota agreement is that the Toyota Auris hatchback gets BMW 1.6 and 2.0 liter diesel engines here. Toyota builds great truck diesels (2.5 liter and up) but their smaller D4D diesel engines are not on par anymore with their counterparts from Germany, France and Italy.


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