By on June 25, 2013

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So, how would you all like a nice, juicy chunk of political red meat to chew on a lovely Tuesday morning? For those of you who aren’t interested, it’s all below the jump. For the rest of you, 350 comments or bust! Let’s do this…

Yesterday the Senate voted for cloture on what has been commonly described as The Immigration Bill but is technically known as Senate Bill 744. In order to make the bill palatable to a bipartisan supermajority of the Senate an amendment, known as the Corker- Hoeven amendment after it’s two Republican sponsors, was added late last week.

The primary focus of the amendment was to strengthen security at the border before legalization (or amnesty, if you prefer) for undocumented aliens could begin. Depending on which group of talking heads and/ or political hacks you want to believe, the border surge will either be a bulwark never failing against the rising tide of third- world misery threatening to engulf the Southwest or a completely hollow piece of garbage meant to give Republicans a fig leaf of “tough on illegal immigration” talking points to use as a Jedi mindtrick on the rubes back home that elected them.

So, what does all this have to do with cars? I’m getting there. As with all most legislation at the Federal all levels of government, it contains a lot of bribes vitally important funding necessary for the survival of the Republic.  A brief (and admittedly partisan) breakdown of some of the bribes can be found here.

One of the Senators who needed some vital funding necessary for the survival of the Republic thrown his way before he could vote in good conscience for cloture was Senator Bernie Sanders (I- VT). His vital funding is found in Title V of the amendment under the heading  “Jobs For Youth” and the text of it begins on page 1169 of the Corker- Hoeven Amendment. Basically it’s a $1.5 billion a year jobs program for underprivileged youths, tacked onto the bill as an admission that flooding the labor market with millions of unskilled and low- skilled immigrants willing to work 90 hours a week for wages barely above subsistence level will make it hard for native- born unskilled and low- skilled young people who demand a 40 hour workweek and minimum wage to get a job.

What’s causing consternation on the right side of our political aisle is a provision in Bernie’s Bribe that the funds can be used to “to provide summer employment opportunities for low-income youth, with direct linkages to academic and occupational learning, and may be used to provide supportive services, such as transportation or child care, that is necessary to enable the participation of such youth in the opportunities.”  That highlighted line is being translated as authority for states that receive this money to use it to buy or lease cars for poor kids.  Expect that to become a meme among the right over the next 24- hour news cycle leading up to the vote on the final bill.

As much as I enjoy beating up on the government (From the inside, no less!) and as wasteful as I may think Bernie’s Bribe is, the idea that the government is going to provide cars to underprivileged youths is nonsense on stilts. Even a hardcore Socialist like Bernie Sanders knows that people on either side of the aisle won’t tolerate buying individual people new cars, even if they were Priuses. Conservatives would be against it just because we’re mean, but liberals will be against it because providing an individual with his own car is anathema to the overwhelming desire to shoehorn individuals into public transportation.

“Supportive transportation services” is government-ese for “bus passes and subway tokens.” At worst, it’s authority for a state agency to buy a van and hire somebody to pick up underprivileged youths and take them to job training.  As we watch the news cycle over the next couple of days, keep that in mind. There are plenty of good arguments to be made for and against the immigration bill as it gets voted out of the Senate and sent to die in the House of Representatives. There’s no need to resort to fairy tales of an ObamaCar in every driveway to be followed by ObamaJacuzzis on every back deck and ObamaBigScreens in every living room.

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62 Comments on “Dude, Where’s My ObamaCar?...”


  • avatar
    NormSV650

    Obummer!

    • 0 avatar
      junkcar buyer

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  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    It’s simply amazing to me how quickly they have flushed this country down the drain.

    • 0 avatar
      MPAVictoria

      Those were my exact thoughts from 2000 to 2008.

      • 0 avatar
        danio3834

        Make that 2000-current. Government misappropriation is a bipartisan issue. Note the BushBigScreen act of 2008.

        • 0 avatar
          MPAVictoria

          I think we can all agree that politicians have been pretty much garbage since Eisenhower. Of course we probably wouldn’t agree on why they have been garbage but lets take the small victories where we can.

          • 0 avatar
            stuki

            More like since Jefferson. Shooting up your countrymen Lincoln style, backstopping bootlegging gangsters and debasing their meager savings, are hardly the stuff of decent people either.

            In all honesty it’s not so much about the actual politicians. Like anyone else, they will simply do whatever they can to help themselves and those closest to them. The problem is rather that nowadays people are so retarded they are content to see the scum having much more power to do harm than Jefferson did. Take that power away, and even Bush and Obama would be limited in the sheer and utter damage they could do to people.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            Most Americans treat politics in the same way they treat football. They pick a team and stick with it no matter what. The only difference is that they know a lot more about football than politics. And that’s why we’re in the situation we’re in.

            And if you vote for any incumbent, you’re part of the problem.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        I won’t disagree, but my country’s demise has been rapidly accelerated from 2009 onward.

  • avatar
    bachewy

    Can we not just discuss cars here? There are already lots of other websites dedicated to hating one party or the other.

    • 0 avatar
      David Hester

      Fair warning was given and its all below the jump. Cars figureinto the issue, admittedly in a tangential way to the bigger issue of immigration reform.

      • 0 avatar
        ClutchCarGo

        Sure, you gave warning, but by your own admission this post will relate to cars only in the most strained interpretation of the provision in the law. You diminish your credibility by holding up a warning as an excuse to go off topic and into the weeds.

      • 0 avatar
        bunkie

        Frankly, I love Bernie Sanders. A guy who generates so much vitriol from the right and, occasionally from the left, is all right in my book. I often disagree with him, but he speaks the way he sees it, much more than most of our elected representatives.

        I used to have an autographed People’s Republic of Burlington T-shirt. I miss it…

    • 0 avatar
      Landcrusher

      No, we can’t not just discuss cars. In the future, please be so polite as to warn us, as you were warned, that you intend to discuss something other than the expected. May I suggest you lead with something like:

      *** Warning!*** I am about to whinge about going off topic while going off topic because I didn’t want any of you guys discussing this topic! I understand its a terrible flaw in my character, but I just couldn’t ignore the topic nor keep from whinging about all of you doing something I don’t like without me. Very sorry!

  • avatar

    these clowns make the City of Detroit look fiscally conservative.

  • avatar
    OneAlpha

    Bernie Sanders – the only OPENLY socialist member of Congress.

    I think someone should say this.

    As bad as my government is, I’d still rather be an American than a member of any other society.

    It’s like what the Navy SEAL once said about his vaunted combat skills:

    “We’re not that great, it’s just that everybody else sucks!”

  • avatar
    50merc

    As it has been said, those who would keep their appetite for laws and sausages should not see either made.

    Or as I say, the better you know them (politicians), the less you like them.

  • avatar
    LBJs Love Child

    Give ‘em bicycles, and I’m good with it.

  • avatar
    CoastieLenn

    Here in SC, there’s already state funding for “under priviledged” or “at risk” people to recieve free bus passes and child care. Race/ethicity has no factor in qualification for this program. Its administered thru an intermediary company, but the company is state funded. They “recruit” these people into the program and so long as the person actually posesses the desire to get a GED or technical trade certificate, the company administers the classes and incentivizes obtaining a GED. Everything from free public transport passes, child care, WalMart gift cards, “turkey checks” around the holidays, etc. My wife is an employee of that company.

    What’s the big deal here? Maybe I missed something in the article.

  • avatar
    E46M3_333

    We already provide subsidies to “the poor” for food, housing and utilities, including cell phones. Why the hell not cars too?

    Never mind that I don’t supply a car to my own college-aged kid because he’s proven to be an irresponsible driver, I’ll happily pay from my tax dollars for random urban youths to have cars.

    • 0 avatar
      walleyeman57

      You forgot the “sarcasm off” button.

    • 0 avatar
      dodobreeder

      “We already provide subsidies to “the poor” for food, housing and utilities, including cell phones. Why the hell not cars too?”

      Ha ha! Where’s HDC when we need him? This is what he’s been bitchin’ and moanin’ about.

      Haven’t read anything by HDC in awhile. Wonder where he is. This is right up his alley.

      LOL!

    • 0 avatar
      Xeranar

      I’m glad you have deemed yourself arbiter on these matters. Are you a qualified speaker on these matters? More and more I find the armchair economists to be so painfully bad at understanding the basic principles of the economy.

      The ‘poor’ as you call them are a definitive byproduct of poor control of corporations and a series mistakes committed by conservatives who sought to line their pockets in the process.

      • 0 avatar
        Summicron

        Seen way lotta poor people.

        I’d say they are a primary product of careless sex and outright rape.
        Only “definitive byproduct” in the matter would be STDs and the lifelong misery and destructiveness of their spawn.

        • 0 avatar
          Xeranar

          Why do people like this immediately fall back to anecdotal evidence when confronted. Land crusher had the definition most accurate in that the poor as a group are simply lacking funds. The problem becomes the stigma that is tied to them. I enjoy TTAC’s articles at times but they certainly draw an angry right-wing crowd. These people complain about those above them as mooches and those below as even worse.

          I know pointing out your flaws was going to draw blanks from your depleted reasoning but the least you could do was make it look good. You can say that here and perhaps with your old white male friends behind closed doors but say that at a microphone in your own neighborhood and see how the people will turn on your bigoted views.

          • 0 avatar
            Landcrusher

            Xer,
            You do realize that your latest post makes no points? I think if you tried for a reasoned argument you might do better. Dismissing one man’s snark with tired snark mixed with condescension furthers nothing.

          • 0 avatar
            Xeranar

            It made a point, essentially to point out this crowd of naysayers live in a land where they chuck stones at everybody and refuse to acknowledge any sort of associative connection within our economy. On the TTAC boards I try to save myself from digging out charts because I do that enough for kids (and honestly, a good amount of my resources hide on JSTOR so pulling them down is more a hassle than its worth.)

            I would just point out that the vast majority are poor for reasons far outside their control but the biggest point is that capitalism is a pyrmaid with wealth concentrating at the top. Without a redistribution method or an independent support structure anybody below ‘capitalist’ is forced into a position of servitude within thw system because of both the concentration and interconnection. Thus programs like what Sen. Sanders proposed arr beneficial but usually are in effect under administered or underfunded and usually both.

            The article itself was wonderfully even handed but the commentors take stances that are fundamentally illogical which is compounded by their extremely poor understanding of economics.

          • 0 avatar
            CJinSD

            If capitalism creates the poor on your campus, what creates wealth?

          • 0 avatar
            Landcrusher

            Well, that’s a nice statement of opinion backed up with much less than the the comment which you found so terrible. Perhaps the President can get away with that sort of demagoguery, but definitely not you.

        • 0 avatar
          Summicron

          @xerenar

          “anecdotal”

          Did I not begin with “I’d say”?

          Had I begun with “The American Sociological Association at its 2013 annual meeting issued today..” you could rightly expect a broader sample base than just my cultural learnings of America for make benefit glorious Me.

          “say that at a microphone in your own neighborhood”

          Where do you think I hang and vent? We’ve got a beautiful town hall. You should see it.

          “bigoted views”

          If you’re making the standard accusation of racial bigotry, go find a Klansman. America by now has been led into such full-spectrum rot that racial prejudice only limits one’s grasp of how bad things are.

      • 0 avatar
        CJinSD

        LBJ wanted the poor, designed policies to create them, and here they are. This is his great society, full of dysfunctional people who will be life-long Democratic voters.

        • 0 avatar
          J.Emerson

          The assertion that LBJ created the poor is so delusional that it can only come out of a deliberate will to misinform.

          • 0 avatar
            Landcrusher

            Or, he had no intention of misinforming anyone, but rather intended to use hyperbole to express disapproval of LBJ’s policy which can be argued to have created more poor people both by diktat and by social engineering and unintended consequences.

            Don’t hate, dude.

          • 0 avatar
            CJinSD

            Sorry I can’t directly quote LBJ on what he said when discussing his plans to destroy inner city families and create the cycle of dependence, but I don’t want to go the way of Paula Dean. If you search on LBJ and the thought police’ favorite word, you’ll find out who is misinformed.

      • 0 avatar
        Landcrusher

        I didn’t see anyone designate themselves anything more than you just did.

        Besides, that’s an interesting definition of “poor” you have. In my opinion, the poor are people without much money.

        While this is a temporary state for most people, there are some long term members of the group who with a few exceptions need to blame only themselves. If they would blame enablers, that may be a start.

        Also, I suspect that the poor are a great foil for people of your mindset to use to beat up on those you hate when the reality is you’ve likely never hired one and helped them improve their lot by teaching them new skills at the expense of your own time and money. Even if you have, it doesn’t excuse your foolish politics to me.

  • avatar
    FJ60LandCruiser

    Is anyone surprised?

    You can get a nice hi-rent apartment under Section 8, a smartphone under the “Obamaphone” plan with an unlimited data plan, fast food with EBT…

    I assume these cars will be used by people to get to and from work.

  • avatar
    Sceptic

    Interesting to observe how the majority of American tax payers quietly pay taxes. The problem is that life is too good for the middle class. Getting upset and protesting federal governments policies is simply not worth it for the average American burgher.

    • 0 avatar
      jkross22

      +1 for identifying the laziness of the middle.

      Until the power goes out and we can’t charge up our glowing screens, we just don’t care.

      Take the power away, and the pitchforks and torches come out.

  • avatar
    -Nate

    Whew ~

    The B.S. quotient just flew right off the farking map .

    Bicycles sounds good to me , I rode in nasty Diesel stinky non air conditioned buses on _my_own_dime_ growing up, I support basic bus passes or tokens , nothing more is necessary ~ if you want more , get ed-u-ma-kated then get a damn JOB & go buy a car .

    Funny how some retards skip right past the THERE ARE NO OBAMA CARS FACTS and dive headfirst into mindless hating .

    -Nate

    • 0 avatar
      ClutchCarGo

      Much like the NYT Cherokee post from yesterday, it’s so much easier and more satisfying to just go off on a proposition than it is to look into the facts and consider the reality. I think that people just enjoy getting outraged, possibly as an explanation/excuse for why their own lives feel unsatisfactory.

    • 0 avatar
      nrd515

      Those horrible stinky, rattling (around here they kept the buses built in the 40’s going until the early to mid 70’s)dying too often, and of course, non A/C’ed buses, were the perfect incentive to get me ambitious enough to make enough money so I would never ride in them again. I rode in an air conditioned, almost new bus in 1999 or so when my truck was being worked on, but other than it being cool and that it rode better, it still made me avoid riding in one since then. Transfers, delays, and the stopping and starting constantly were more than enough hassles for me. The crazy headphone guy (A 60 year old guy who is well known for day long camp outs in restaurants if he’s allowed to stay that long) screaming about something he heard on the radio wasn’t enough of a draw for me to get me back. I love to kookwatch, but he wasn’t enough. I’ve seen him getting asked to leave several restaurants, now that is a good show!

      • 0 avatar
        -Nate

        It certainly worked for me ! .

        I grew up Down East where the public transport was very good if always stinking of fresh urine , cheap too @ .10 CENTS wherever I needed to go .

        I never had any pass , free or otherwise , I deeply envied those who did because dimes didn’t fall from the sky and there was no
        ‘ allowance ‘ handed out . what the hell , walking keeps me less fat , right ? .

        I’m neither educated nor rich but you can bet that hard , dirty work doesn’t scare me , not now, not then , _never_ as I wanted to be able to succeed on my own and I did .

        Educating people makes good common sense unless you’re *so* ignorant you can’t see beyond to – morrow .

        Free cars ? give me a break .

        -Nate

  • avatar
    walleyeman57

    How about we support not crushing perfectly serviceable cars and trucks in the name of “dealer profit for clunkers”. These can then be fixed for modest cost and used to transport these youth to their appointments.

    Net cost of only $2K per car and improved fuel economy by a whopping .6 MPG.

    Eliminated almost 700,000 low cost cars.

    And you said the Federal government does not have any worthwhile programs.

    I catch Bernie on Friday’s Thom Hartman radio show. The problem with Bernie is that people believe his mantra and think Cuba really has a good idea with its system of governance-and they want to extend it to us.

  • avatar
    Beerboy12

    When considering the “range” argument for EV’s it has been said that the car enables a basic right to freedom of movement. This appears to be a conservative opinion but is a bid dangerous because the “car as a right to a freedom” can then be argued as an entitlement and that leads to an argument that the government has an obligation to ensure it’s citizens can own a car (sound familiar?).
    Public transport on the other hand, that is painted as a “liberal plot” does actually enable personal freedom (when well thought out!) to all citizens. My basis for this argument is that it does not matter how you get to your destination, just that you can get there.
    Having said all of that, giving away cars is a bit like that Queen of England that suggested the peasants eat cake… Stupid, out of touch and massively arrogant.

    • 0 avatar
      CoastieLenn

      “Public transport on the other hand, that is painted as a “liberal plot” does actually enable personal freedom (when well thought out!) to all citizens.”

      I’m pretty sure that those long appendages that support your body weight and, when used in opposite sync, can produce forward (and even BACKWARD!!) movement.

      Your legs are the only items that are entitlements in “freedom of movement”. Anything else (bicycle or Lamborghini) are just niceties that you’re not entitled to.

    • 0 avatar
      Cubista

      My tin foil-hatted theory is that EV’s are more sinister of a left wing plot than even the greenest of Ralph Nader voters care to admit; their limited range DY DESIGN effectively gives you no more freedom than public transport.

      You are free to go, citizen…just don’t leave town.

  • avatar
    jkross22

    This is what voting for incumbents yields – terrible public policy decisions made by checkbooks of those who have a lot to gain or lose by handing out Franklins to ‘representatives’ to do their biding.

    Remember this at the ballot box next time. Ignore the D or R – Just pay attention to who is trying to unseat the incumbent and vote for that person.

    Stop thinking like a Donkey or Elephant. Have some courage.

    • 0 avatar
      danio3834

      Sadly people will continue to vote for the person that gives them the most empty promises. Then, even after that person failed to deliver the first time, they’ll vote for them again with a new set of promises. Most voters have the memory of a goldfish unfortunately.

  • avatar
    Summicron

    I’m all for giving the population in question cars. Very hot cars with unlimited gas cards and cases of vodka in the trunks.

    Distribute them all over a single weekend while the rest of us stock up so we can stay off the unpatrolled roads for the next week. Repeat as needed.

    How much would that cost relative to what the recipients would otherwise cost the nation throughout their lives?

    And it would be an IQ filter as well. Abstainers would be welcomed into the fold of intelligent humans and given every reasonable assistance in building a life of learning and productivity.

    Plus, we could get a biofuel yield from the enthusiastic participants.

    Let’s do this. Move the metal!

  • avatar
    nickshaw

    You’re right, David, these funds will not be used to buy individual cars. They will be distributed as “transportation vouchers” or a special EBT card. With these, people could take the bus or buy gas for the car.
    So the first thing that will happen is setting up a new government fiefdom to administer the fund (that eliminates about a quarter of the money available.
    We will find, just as with welfare EBT cards, fraud will be rampant with people selling them to buy other things along with multiple cards being issued to the same person. And these cards will AUTOMATICALLY be offered to anyone who already collects government benefits (albeit there may be an age limit ’cause it’s supposed to be for the “youts” but, you know how even that will quickly change to include all persons collecting aid)
    Let’s not forget that organizations such as OFA, ACORN (or whatever they call themselves these days) and Planned Parenthood will get block amounts of funds to provide transportation to all those youts with summer jobs signing up Dims.
    The fraud and pseudo fraud that will be perpetrated will be enormous!
    With the extra competition in the form of blanket amnesty, why in heck would a yout bother with a job when they can get free food, free housing, free health care, free cell phones and now, free transportation?
    If you don’t know this is the logical outcome, you don’t know any youts!
    Remember the lady who said the election of Skeeter would mean she didn’t have to pay for gas in her car or pay her mortgage?
    We laughed but, she was right.

  • avatar
    olddavid

    This is a country built by immigration. Every nationality has experienced a phase where they are resented by the current residents. We need to look at Japan to see where we would end up without the influx of young ambitious people to populate a nation that isn’t replacing it’s old. Remember that all the current warnings of dire consequences were applied to the Irish after the famine. And the Italians, Polish, etc. We’ll be OK. Change is difficult for some, but we have shown ourselves to be a resilient society. We should fear entrenched greed more than some family with such drive for a better life that they are willing to risk their lives to walk through the desert to a better life.

    • 0 avatar
      Sceptic

      Wise words. Certainly formerly despised European immigrant groups(Irish, Polish etc) became integral part of American society. But there are counterexamples: Africans and Mexican Indians. Still more of a burden for the country than an asset despite the effort and trillions spent.

      Controlled, orderly immigration is the key. Remember Ellis Island?

      • 0 avatar
        dodobreeder

        The majority of current day Americans evolved from immigrants, and most have been highly productive and instrumental in the building of our great nation.

        But there is still a huge number of people in America who live off the blood, sweat and tears of others and count on their income and nourishment from the taxes paid by others.

        Nowhere else on earth is this tolerated. Only in America can someone come here illegally and be a burden on society. And a huge number of those born here rely on the government as their sole source of income and sustenance.

        There is no incentive for them to ever change. The government takes care of them from cradle to grave, paid for by the hardworking, tax paying people like me.

    • 0 avatar
      nrd515

      Reading some of the stuff written about the Irish and other immigrants back about 110 years ago sounds eerily similar to some of the “the sky is falling” nonsense being written now. It was silly back then, and still is now.


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