Piston Slap: And Hybrids For All?

Sajeev Mehta
by Sajeev Mehta
TTAC Commentator kurtamaxxguy writes:

Hello, Sajeev.


I drive an ’09 Subaru Forester XT. The general design is good, but Subaru’s are not particularly economical and the XT requires premium fuel to avoid engine overheating.

It would be great if an “e-assist” capability could be added to this car, so that at least when I am decelerating, engine braking via a motor-alternator / battery storage system could store some energy, and use it to assist the vehicle during acceleration.

Are there actually any companies you know of attempting this? Or is that sort of thing simply too complex to add to an existing vehicle?

Unfortunately, Subaru is driving very slowly to the fuel efficiency party, and, sadly, the other small CUV’s I’ve looked at don’t offer any hybrid or e-assist capability with AWD, a necessity up here in the NorthWest.

Sajeev answers:

As someone who promotes creativity/entrepreneurship outside of his gig at TTAC, I’ll try to not be a cynic: someone’s actually made a business out of what you propose. And not to (intentionally) turf for the guy, but he posted elsewhere that he’s trying to sell this kit for $1000. Ish.

So after you spend that $1000, this will be labor intensive retrofit: it simply must be a universal system that will need tweaks to implement on your Subie. If you can’t DIY, expect someone with an hourly rate to experiment for a long time to make it work. Or a sympathetic friend that’ll take their sweet-ass time. And the cost/downtime/stress associated is not worth it for the average person. Questions to ask yourself:

  • How much will it cost to install on your Subie?
  • When exactly do you reach the break even point?
  • Should you assume gas prices remain constant?
  • Will it work as promised on your vehicle?
  • Is it worth your time and money?

Especially considering you can buy a Ford Escape 4WD Hybrid, according to this reputable source. And it won’t take premium. If that’s what you really want.

Send your queries to sajeev@thetruthaboutcars.com. Spare no details and ask for a speedy resolution if you’re in a hurry.

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  • Schmitt trigger Schmitt trigger on Dec 19, 2012

    "enforce the rule by actually towing the SUVs" Exactly. You do it a few of times, and people will notice. Of course you'll have to add the warning: "Unauthorized vehicles will be towed at owner's expense".

  • El scotto El scotto on Dec 19, 2012

    If it's not on a military base and it's not illegal in the civilian world who's going to enforce it? Will a name tag wearing retail employee call the tow truck? Will the tow truck haul away the alleged offender? Will a lawyer get involved? Park in the Flag Officer's or E-9's spot on base you will get towed. Thier base stickers show their ranks. You can legally; and I say gleefully tow someone illegally parked in a handicapped spot. What's next? Whole Foods reserving spots for organic boxers/panties wearers?

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    • CJinSD CJinSD on Dec 19, 2012

      @Jellodyne I've seen my neighbors ticketed for parking in their own yards here in pinko California. The left hates private property. As for stores with hybrid only parking, enforcing them is a question of how much contempt they have for their paying customers. I'm guessing it isn't as much as the left has for its citizens.

  • El scotto They should be supping with a very, very long spoon.
  • El scotto [list=1][*]Please make an EV that's not butt-ugly. Not Jaguar gorgeous but Buick handsome will do.[/*][*] For all the golf cart dudes: A Tesla S in Plaid mode will be the fastest ride you'll ever take.[/*][*]We have actual EV owners posting on here. Just calmly stated facts and real world experience. This always seems to bring out those who would argue math.[/*][/list=1]For some people an EV will never do, too far out in the country, taking trips where an EV will need recharged, etc. If you own a home and can charge overnight an EV makes perfect sense. You're refueling while you're sleeping.My condo association is allowing owners to install chargers. You have to pay all of the owners of the parking spaces the new electric service will cross. Suggested fee is 100$ and the one getting a charger pays all the legal and filing fees. I held out for a bottle of 30 year old single malt.Perhaps high end apartments will feature reserved parking spaces with chargers in the future. Until then non home owners are relying on public charge and one of my neighbors is in IT and he charges at work. It's call a perk.I don't see company owned delivery vehicles that are EV's. The USPS and the smiley boxes should be the 1st to do this. Nor are any of our mega car dealerships doing this and but of course advertising this fact.I think a great many of the EV haters haven't came to the self-actualization that no one really cares what you drive. I can respect and appreciate what you drive but if I was pushed to answer, no I really don't care what you drive. Before everyone goes into umbrage over my last sentence, I still like cars. Especially yours.I have heated tiles in my bathroom and my kitchen. The two places you're most likely to be barefoot. An EV may fall into to the one less thing to mess with for many people.Macallan for those who were wondering.
  • EBFlex The way things look in the next 5-10 years no. There are no breakthroughs in battery technology coming, the charging infrastructure is essentially nonexistent, and the price of entry is still way too high.As soon as an EV can meet the bar set by ICE in range, refueling times, and price it will take off.
  • Jalop1991 Way to bury the lead. "Toyota to offer two EVs in the states"!
  • Jalop1991 I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
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