By on November 22, 2011

Over the last couple of weeks you had the pleasure to travel to Chinathe USA in 1975South Korea and Sweden and this week we are coming back to our very doorstep, Canada.

Yes. Canada. If this is too much for you to bear, I understand and this is why I’ve prepared 159 additional countries for you to visit in my blog, and I can tell you it is extraordinarily good, so click away!

At first sight, the best-selling models in Canada are very similar to those in the US…

But in fact they are not…

The Ford F-Series has been the best-selling pick-up in Canada for 45 consecutive years. Compare that to 34 years in the US. It even beat its volume record in 2010 with 97,913 units sold in a single year… whereas in the US, the record reached in 2004 (939,511 sales) is all but unattainable nowadays. The F Series is the best-selling vehicle in Canada both in October with 6,950 sales and over the first 10 months of 2011 at 81,570 units sold.

As far as passenger cars are concerned, the Honda Civic, it is on its way to be the best-selling passenger car in the country for the umpfourteenth consecutive year. Thanks to the new generation just arrived in dealerships, it is number 3 overall in October with 4,974 sales and number 4 year-to-date at 42,748 units. #1 passenger car in both rankings. Note the Honda Civic was never the best-selling passenger car in the US, this privilege being reserved to the Honda Accord in the nineties and in 2001.

Had the new generation not been launched this year, the Civic would have been in danger of losing its title and the lone culprit would have been the Hyundai Elantra. With the new and improved generation launched in late 2010, the Elantra went from strength to strength in Canada this year and even topped the passenger car ranking for a few months. It is #7 and 3rd best-selling passenger car in October and #5 and #2 passenger car over the first 10 months of 2011 with a shiny 40,051 sales, only 2,700 units below the Civic…

Trucks are back in fashion in Canada in the same way they are in the US. Below the F-Series, the RAM posts very strong figures, much stronger than in the US: it is #2 overall with 5,386 sales in October and 53,833 sales over 10 months.

But the surprise comes from General Motors. With the GMC Sierra at #4 with 4,639 sales and the Chevrolet Silverado at #5 with 3,805 units (notice the reverse order vs. the US), the twin trucks from GM do much better than the F-Series at 8,444 sales vs. 6,950, an performance they are far from accomplishing in the US.

The Toyota Corolla disappointed in 2011, falling from #4 over 2010 to #10 over the first 10 months of 2011. It is however #6 in October.

In 9th place in October but #3 over 2011 we find the Dodge Grand Caravan. Yes Canadian have been having a 20-year+ love story with the Grand Caravan, placing it on the overall models ranking podium almost every year, a score much superior to its US performance. Does it start better on snowy mornings? Canadian friends could you please unlock this mystery for me?

Another trait particular to Canada is the prevalence of small cars in the Top 30: Mazda3 at #10, Chevrolet Cruze at #12 (although in this case this is poorer than in the US), VW Jetta at #13, Hyundai Accent at #17, Toyota Matrix at #18 (yes Canada separates its sales from the Corolla as the Matrix has a life on its own here!), Ford Focus at #19, Nissan Versa at #27 and VW Golf at #29… Canada is starting to look like Australia a little bit – minus the hole in the ozone layer…

A few more models that are much more succesful in Canada than they are in the US: the Dodge Journey, Hyundai Santa Fe and Toyota Venza (#21 in October).

Reversely, some US superstars are snubbed in Canada: the Toyota Camry is only #37!

The Honda Accord is #52, even with the Crosstour!

Canada 2011 year-to-date Top 30
(Through October 2011)

Rank YTD Rank 2010 Model Sales YTD
1 1 Ford F-Series 81,570
2 5 Dodge RAM 53,833
3 3 Dodge Grand Caravan 46,971
4 2 Honda Civic 42,748
5 11 Hyundai Elantra 40,051
6 6 GMC Sierra 38,685
7 8 Ford Escape 38,635
8 7 Chevrolet Silverado 33,241
9 10 Mazda3 31,607
10 4 Toyota Corolla 31,116
11  - Chevrolet Cruze 29,770
12 16 Dodge Journey 25,259
13 36 VW Jetta 23,287
14 14 Ford Focus 22,540
15 9 Hyundai Santa Fe 21,960
16 13 Honda CR-V 20,760
17 12 Hyundai Accent 19,572
18 20 Chevrolet Equinox 19,252
19 15 Toyota RAV4 17,326
20 18 Ford Fusion 16,568
21 26 Hyundai Sonata 14,616
22 17 Ford Ranger 14,111
23 38 Jeep Wrangler 14,002
24 23 Ford Edge 13,450
25 44 Kia Sorento 12,912
26 19 Toyota Matrix 12,638
27 28 Kia Forte 12,581
28 34 Hyundai Tucson 12,513
29 21 Nissan Versa 12,401
30 22 VW Golf 12,110

Canada October 2011 Top 30

Rank Model Oct-11
1 Ford F-Series 6,950
2 Dodge RAM 5,386
3 Honda Civic 4,974
4 GMC Sierra 4,639
5 Chevrolet Silverado 3,805
6 Toyota Corolla 3,508
7 Hyundai Elantra 3,399
8 Ford Escape 3,313
9 Dodge Grand Caravan 2,967
10 Mazda3 2,826
11 Honda CR-V 2,679
12 Chevrolet Cruze 2,513
13 VW Jetta 2,318
14 Dodge Journey 1,973
15 Hyundai Santa Fe 1,944
16 Toyota RAV4 1,936
17 Hyundai Accent 1,762
18 Toyota Matrix 1,623
19 Ford Focus 1,607
20 Chevrolet Equinox 1,589
21 Toyota Venza 1,432
22 Ford Fusion 1,316
23 Hyundai Sonata 1,275
24 Kia Sorento 1,216
25 Ford Edge 1,128
26 Ford Ranger 1,126
27 Nissan Versa 1,084
28 Nissan Rogue 1,068
29 VW Golf 1,039
30 Subaru Forester 1,039

And the golden nugget to finish: some models available in Canada are not even on sale in the US!

Cue the Mazda2, #56 in October

Or the Chevrolet Orlando, #75 in October for its first full month of sales.

Canada.

A land full of surprises.

And just like that, you’ve become an expert on car sales in Canada.

Without even noticing!

That is all for this week.

Oh wait.

If you want to check out the Top 150 best-selling models in Canada in October 2011 and year-to-date click here.

For 2011 monthly data and historical data up to 2004 click here.

Sales figures are sourced from goodcarbadcar.net, manufacturers and Automotive News Data Center

Matt Gasnier, based in Sydney, Australia, runs a blog named Best Selling Cars, dedicated to counting cars all over the world.

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43 Comments on “Best Selling Cars Around The Globe: Ford F-Series And Honda Civic Canada’s Favorites...”


  • avatar
    crm114

    Mazda2?

  • avatar
    tparkit

    Canadians favor small cars because (1) cars cost more in Canada, even when the C$ is at par or above, and (2) the Canadian middle class has less after-tax purchasing power than the US middle class.

    Regarding cost, the price is higher due to an industry/governing class agreement to extract money out of the pockets of ordinary Canadians. (This applies to much more than just cars.) BTW, Canadians are broke:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904265504576568793876867866.html

    • 0 avatar
      CanuckGreg

      @tparkit:

      …and we’re getting broker! 20 years ago, the idea of trading in a car on which you owed more than the resale value…and financing the entire purchase price of the new car AND the negative equity in the old one was simply unheard of. Now it seems like every 2nd radio ad is for a car dealer offering to “help” you get rid of a car (and its associated loan) that you know longer enjoy.

      Another reasons we buy cheaper cars here is that (at least in Ontario and Quebec) cars rarely last more than 10 years without aggressive rust proofing (i.e. annual oil spraying). The German makes are a bit better, Asians (especially Mazda) the worst.

      • 0 avatar
        mikey

        @CanuckGreg….The VW’s may stand up well against rust,and some of the BMW models do well. The Mercs are terrible rust buckets. Though I agree that the Mazda are the worst. Take a look at a five year old KIA they give rust a whole new meaning.

      • 0 avatar
        400 N

        BS Japanese cars stand up just as good as anything from Detroit. Everything rusts at a frightening rate if it’s not been oil sprayed, especially if you commute by highway. The classics are contractor’s pickups – go down to a Tim Horton’s in March, you can practically see them falling apart in the drive through.

      • 0 avatar
        BunkerMan

        @400N… It’s not BS at all. I have owned both NA and Asian cars and the rustiest of them all was a 2002 Mazda MPV. No rust on it when I bought it in 2005, but within 4 years it was so rusty that I had to send it to auction. No dealer would take it on trade. Even the rear licence plate bolts rusted off and I almost lost the plate. The second worst was the 98 Hyundai Accent and the third was our ’99 Caravan.

        I have noticed that there are a lot of early 2000s VWs on the road here that are getting pretty crusty, so I don’t know about them being a little better. Certainly not as bad as Mazda though.

    • 0 avatar
      PenguinBoy

      I think there are cultural differences as well – utilitarian vehicles like small cars are popular as transportation appliances, and minivans don’t have to pretend to be SUVs for buyers to consider them.

      It is a big country, and there are regional differences – plenty of small cars in places like Montreal, plenty of trucks in smaller communities and out West.

      I’m not sure that the preference for small cars is based entirely on purchasing power – I know plenty of people who drive small cars who could easily afford big ones. While household debt is worrying (especially mortgage debt), not everyone is over extended. I’m not sure middle class purchasing power is that much different than the US – taxes might be a bit higher, but medical care is included. It pretty much all comes out in the wash. While there is a lot of disparity across the country, the West is booming, mostly on the back of high resource prices, so purchasing power isn’t a problem for many buyers here.

      • 0 avatar

        You are on the ball here…overall taxation doesn’t vary much from the US to Canada (I think it’s 30% vs. 32%), and a lot of people just seem to prefer small cars here. For example, my parents decided to buy a loaded 1.7 EL rather than an Accord. They could have afforded either, but selected the smaller car by choice.

        I frequently travel between a midsize city (Kitchener-Waterloo) and my rural home, the difference in vehicles is noticeable. In the city: smaller cars, almost no pickups. By the time I drive an hour out, you can’t look anywhere without seeing a pickup.

    • 0 avatar
      rpn453

      Yet, strangely, we’re willing to pay thousands more to get leather, soft touch plastics, and upgraded engines in Civics that are unavailable in the U.S.

  • avatar
    mikey

    It terms of size Canada is bigger than the U.S,with 10 percent of the population. Canada is made up of huge urban centers Montreal,Toronto and Vancouver. Downtown areas are made of narrow streets designed long before cars were invented. In Toronto grid lock is a constant.40 years of left leaning, tree huggers and car haters will do that.

    The population grows,and with it comes more cars. The lefties would rather spend 2 million creating a turd in the middle of a square,and calling it a sculpture,than improving roads.

    Grid lock,narrow streets, limited parking and five dollar a gallon gas. Can you see why the Civic is so popular?

    Outside of the big cities are sprawling suburbs. To shatter a myth, the Greater Toronto Area does not get a lot of snow. Vancouver,less. You don’t need 4wd. A cheap FWD minivan is perfect for young families. The Honda and Toyotas are thousands more than the Dodge. That explains the Grand Caravan sales.

    Now….what about the rest of this vast country? It consists of miles and miles of sparsly populated, wilderness,mountains,prairies,and lakes. Folks measure distances in terms of hours. If your in say..Temagami and you want groceries? A local will say its an “hour to North Bay” or 5 hours to Timmins.

    Two hours outside of Toronto its a whole different world,and culture. The pick up truck rules. Ford has had great marketing and pretty good product. The non Ford buyers went to the Ram ,one reason, out the door price. Plain and simple, Ford followed by Ram, are offering bigger bang for the buck than GM.

    The pretend trucks, Toyota and Nissan? Not enough dealers,and like the USA not enough buyers.

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      In Toronto grid lock is a constant.40 years of left leaning, tree huggers and car haters will do that

      You and I have debated this before. You can blame left-leaning, tree-hugging policies* all you like, but I’d challenge you to find a way to make downtown (as in, from the Don to the Humber to Eglington) Toronto “car friendly” without tearing down buildings, if not whole neighbourhoods.

      You were right, though, about Downtown areas are made of narrow streets designed long before cars were invented.

      And yes, you could do expressways. Have you seen the Gardiner? Even car-friendly people would be twitchy about trying to add more lanes to either it or the DVP. There’s no space for it to go.

      Montreal is worse, Ottawa and Vancouver better. But you have to make compromises in a large city. I think Mayor Ford is going to find out it’s not as easy as he thinks

      It’s not car hate, it’s city life.

      * (which ignores the notably not-left-wing councils of North York or Etobicoke)

      • 0 avatar
        cmoibenlepro

        If you think Montreal and Toronto are not car-oriented, you’ve never be in Paris :)

      • 0 avatar
        carbiz

        Well, you and I have not debated it. Mikey is correct. I grew up in Vancouver, arguably the tree-hugger capital of the universe. Reading sidewalk stamps is a bit of a hobby of mine. Vancouver’s stamps last longer due to their better weather. My old neighborhood, Naniamo/Dundas was built in the 1930s. Why, then, is East Hastings 6 lanes? Indeed, I count 10 6 lane arterial roads fanning out from the core. Toronto has 4, if you include University/Avenue road, which chokes at Front St at one end and St. Clair at the other to 4 lanes.
        Prior to Toronto’s unfortunate brush with Jane Jacobs (who not only managed to stop the Allen Expressway, she managed to teach the NIMBY zealots to oppose EVERYTHING), Toronto was trying to fix the damage done by successions of myopic councils who only saw the city as a sleepy burgh of half a million.
        Yes, the Gardiner and DVP are wholly inadequate. Considering they were designed and built 55 years ago, I would think so. However, just what is the alternate?
        My sister works downtown and has to take 4 laned Kingston Rd all the way to Pickering at 4 pm, because she has learned the DVP is just a big parking lot.
        Yet they still keep building 40 storey condos! I live at the corner of two major downtown streets that have been choked to a single lane in each direction thanks to newly added bicycle lanes. A single lane! Name one major city that has single lane arterial roads downtown!
        Do not get me started on Toronto’s mean streets. I have watched this city wither on the vine for 30+ years. A billion spent on the Sheppard line that is still underutilized, and a former Mayor who delayed funding on the Front St extension until the costs ballooned from $42M to $110M, then he cancelled it.
        In 20 years, after another million people have moved into the city, what will they do then to undo this mess? More bicycle lanes? More streetcar right of ways that simply hand over a desperately needed lane to a streetcar that is 80% empty 80% of the day?
        Give me Vancouver and it’s choked bridges any day! Remember, the 401 surpassed the Santa Monica Freeway many years ago as the #1 congested highway in North America. Think about what that means for a moment: a city of barely 4.5 million compares to a city of 11 million. That’s progress!

      • 0 avatar
        George B

        No space for highways? US-75 just North of downtown Dallas used to be hopelessly too narrow for traffic with limited room for expansion. The solution was to lower the roadbed and partially cantilever the frontage road over the outer lanes. 8 lanes of highway plus 6 lanes of frontage road. Took a decade to rebuild, but the end result is attractive and functional.

        http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:North_Central_Expressway.jpg
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Expressway_%28Dallas%29

        Do Canadians put insanely large 20+ inch wheels on their pickup trucks? Is 4-wheel drive more or less common than 2-wheel drive?

      • 0 avatar
        iMatt

        @ Carbiz:

        You are contradicting yourself. The densification of Toronto’s downtown is not leading to increased congestion. It’s bringing people closer to their jobs thus reducing the average distance of commutes.

        It is people like your sister who live in the far reaching suburbs who add to Toronto’s horrible congestion. Complaining that she has to take Kingston Rd instead of the clogged highways garners absolutely no sympathy from me. People like her are why the highways are bursting at the seams.

        Don’t blame the downtown condo dwellers for your miserable commute and don’t complain about the few bicycle paths laid out around the core. They are used and appreciated by people who actually live there as you should already know by living there yourself. People from the outlying burbs have no right to demand the city make concessions towards their commute; they don’t even pay taxes to the city of Toronto.

        Also, streetcars on arterial routes are always packed during rush hour. To say otherwise is just arrogant. Where do you think the 100+ riders per streetcar would go if the streetcars were nixed? I’m willing to bet there’d be a heck of a lot more cars on the road!

        To relieve congestion and encourage a less car dependent city, we need to get more people cycling (and obeying the laws which is an entirely different problem) and upgraded transit infrastructure.

        Building more highways (destroying established neighbourhoods in the process)will only encourage more sprawl and invite more people to bring their cars downtown. You proved this yourself by pointing out how busy the 401 is.

        So I say, if you don’t like gridlock, do something about it yourself by moving closer to where you work, working closer to where you live or learning how to ride a bike. Either way, your problem is not the problem of the majority who decide to live downtown. Don’t blame the governments for refusing to turn our city into an L.A equivalent.

      • 0 avatar

        @iMatt: You are exactly right, well said. Much of what you are saying has to do with the fact that Canadian’s drive (including buses) by themselves something like 96% of the time. That’s insanity.

    • 0 avatar
      400 N

      I hardly find I live in the same countries as these guys.

      More BS, Mikey. Toronto’s like a donut with an old urban core that’s encircled with expressways. The Gardiner, 401, 400. The problem with Toronto is that they haven’t built any transit for 30 years.

      • 0 avatar
        carbiz

        Yes, yes, yes. Another Jacob’s disciple. That must be why I get stuck in traffic on Christmas Day on the DVP. It’s all those nasty 905 commuters, eh?
        Newsflash: thanks to Jacobs NOTHING got built for 30 years. Citizens rally against any progress. A long term councilor was turfed because she approved twin 50 storey condo towers at YONGE AND EGLINTON! (If you can’t build a tower there, where can you build one?) Now, they build 50 storey towers in the middle of blocks in residential areas!
        And Toronto’s ‘old’ urban core is 100 years old. Is that ‘old’ when London has to contend with roads built by the Romans?
        Toronto is too busy comparing itself to New York when it should be comparing itself to Dallas or Houston…..

      • 0 avatar
        musiccitymafia

        Maybe if they let businesses move to the burbs life would improve for the vast majority eh? Workers could live near their jobs AND continue to drive the vehicles of their choice. Mass transit is not the preferred mode for the vast majority that can afford personal vehicles. For the economically challenged (and tourists in Paris and London) it suffices.

  • avatar
    Larry

    Having owned an 2006 civic (small “c” on purpose,as the vehicle does not deserve a capital),I don’t understand why the sheepeople keep on buying said turd mobile(I answered my own question..”sheepeople”).
    First the rear suspension,then the sun visor,then the cracking blocks,easily scratched interior,steering wheel falling apart….UGH!!!!
    The best part was,that Honda wouldn’t admit to anything at the time (they have now,though).
    Having said all this,I still enjoy my 2005 Accord,though.

  • avatar
    carbiz

    Canada pays a $1 a gallon more than Americans. ‘Nuff said. At $5 a gallon, Americans will dump their SUVs and pickups like yesterday’s trash. At $6 a gallon, the Spark and the Fiesta start looking real good, just like in South America and Europe.
    Many Canadians also have an identity crisis, so they view Americans as necessary evils; therefore, they are currently punishing GM which is in serious danger of being overtaken by Chrysler (yes, Chrysler) and become the #3 seller in Canada. Like America, the D3 are pretty much finished in Canada’s 3 largest markets. While GM is about 15% nationally in sales, the last figures for Toronto that I saw were sub-8% market share.
    Despite the fact that McLaughlin Motors (a Canadian company since 1876) was bought by a fledgling GM 90 years ago, ‘new Canadians’ (the euphemistic term for immigrants that make up more than half the population of Toronto these days) are unaware of this and continue to buy the same ‘imports’ that they bought at home, which is why Toyota, Honda, Hyundai and Kia do so well here. Ever the apologists, the rest of Canada view Honda as ‘Canadian’ as a GM or Ford, despite the fact that the former only showed up here in the mid-70s and have just ‘celebrated’ their 25th anniversary of their first factory here.
    Interestingly, if you visit any Indian reserve, especially in Alberta and B.C., you will see a predominance of D3 vehicles.
    At least some Canadians are concerned about the future of this continent.

    • 0 avatar
      Feds

      Say quoi? There is no Canadian auto industry. There are a handful of “Foreign owned” factories in Southern Ontario, and a handful of head offices, and… well… that’s it. Going on your logic, McLaughlin’s profits have been siphoned off to a foreign corporation for nigh on to 90 years. No wonder we’re punishing them!

      Yes, GM has been here longer, and is theoretically (i.e. via an underfunded pension plan) supporting more pensioners than any of the other foreign manufacturers, but I believe (and I may be wrong) Toyota is producing more volume at their Canadian plants at the moment, thus more money for the Canadian economy.

      On a relative basis, a Canadian’s purchasing power is much lower than an American’s. Our dollar is historically worth less than the US, our tax burden is higher, and our debt is not tax deductible, hence cars are both more expensive on the sticker, and a larger proportion of a given income level. Tack on more expensive gas, and our cars are necessarily smaller, cheaper, and more fuel efficient.

      The sales of the Grand Caravan are explained by the “Canada Value Package” Every 6 months or so you can get a brand new van with the base motor, power locks/windows, AC, and no stow and go for $18,500 (list). You can very easily option up a Mazda2 beyond that number.

    • 0 avatar
      Neb

      Wait, you hate traffic congestion *and* immigrants?

      I think you might not be cut out for Toronto.

    • 0 avatar

      Okay carbiz, I call BS on this. Canadians feel loyalty for Honda because they’ve owned them and they’ve been reliable, and many are either made in Southern Ontario (Odyssey, Pilot, Civic, CSX, MDX?) or in the US (Accord). They buy them because they are good and the domestics were (or are) not, comparatively.

      Arguing that people “should” be buying GM cars to keep the great city of Oshawa going is a statement that is beyond reason to me. Our system says that we should buy good products, and although many Canadians (especially in rural areas) buy “domestic” (still foreign) because of loyalty, many buy based on the actually quality of the product, not some mislead and inaccurate protectionist ideal for American car companies.

      The value of buying a GM car here is the same or similar to that of a Honda, or Toyota, etc., since these companies are “foreign” but manufacture major models here.

      Any relevancy and Canadian presence GM had via McLaughlin Motors has LONG since died, even with previous loyalties to GM in the 60s, 70s, and 80s.

  • avatar
    Carlson Fan

    “Canada pays a $1 a gallon more than Americans. ‘Nuff said. At $5 a gallon, Americans will dump their SUVs and pickups like yesterday’s trash.”

    Won’t happen with people that use them to tow their boats, RV’s, snowmobiles and the like. They’ll simply park what they got and buy something else to be used as a daily driver. At least that’s my plan!….LOL

  • avatar
    deanst

    Canadians buy more Chrysler minivans because they are can be had for less than $18,000 while Honda and Toyota vans are $30,000 or more.

    Car prices in Canada are getting closer to those in the U.S., but there can be huge differences. Chrysler is generally more aggressive (i.e. closer to U.S. prices), and has enjoyed great sales success because of it. Small car prices tend to be closer to U.S. prices, but mid size car prices still have a gap. (A/C is often made an option to get prices closer – even if you will never find a car without it!) (Manufacturers also tend to price the base model closer to the U.S. price, while higher end models can cost significantly more in Canada.)

    On a brand basis there are some differences with the U.S.:
    Hyundia is actually #1 in passenger car sale this year. Lexus has never been popular in Canada (always behind the Germans). And Pontiac regularly outsold Chevy – even when the only difference was the grill.

    Canadians are generally more practical / conservative with car choices – even bumper stickers are rare (except for the occassional “support your troops” ribbon).

    We also buy a lot of hatchbacks, while Americans will only buy hatchbacks if you add a thousand pounds, and jack them a foot up in the air (i.e. SUV/CUV).

    We still have the “pleasure” of being able to buy the Kia
    Rondo!

  • avatar
    Neb

    The top sales list squares with my general experience. Though like people have already said, regional differences can have a big impact.

    Take the GTA, for example. They love two things around here: minivans and Japanese cars. It makes sense, since they do way more driving then most Canadians, so fuel efficiency and reliability are important. The big pickups at the top of the list are out for that reason. I’ve also lived in Saskatoon, and the big pickups are legion. Though they really like their diesels, too. Also becoming popular were imports from Japan, IE right hand drive used cars being imported. The tiny diesel utility trucks were becoming popular, as were all manner of really strange trucks with the off-roading crowd.

    Though I think maybe the single most important factor in Canada is rust. In the GTA they seem to pave the streets with salt, while west of Winnipeg they don’t use any salt at all. In Saskatoon, there were all sorts of really gnarly vehicles being used that rusted off the roads ages ago in the east, making it kinda like a extra-flat Eugene, Oregon, in terms of things you could see in the wild.

    • 0 avatar
      86er

      west of Winnipeg they don’t use any salt at all.

      Not so:

      http://www.highways.gov.sk.ca/technical-backgrounder/

      “The Ministry uses granular road salt for treating ice conditions on provincial highways. The road salt we purchase has to have a minimum 95% sodium chloride composition. Sodium chloride is the same as table salt. Road salt supplied to the department has been mined directly from potash deposits or processed from potash tailings.”

      and

      http://www.saskatoon.ca/DEPARTMENTS/Infrastructure%20Services/Public%20Works/Roadways/Snow%20and%20Ice/Pages/Did%20You%20Know.aspx

      “The City of Saskatoon mixes sand/salt at a 19:1 ratiion [sic]. Salt is only 5% of the material placed on the road.”

    • 0 avatar
      rpn453

      . . . west of Winnipeg they don’t use any salt at all.

      I wish! But certainly way, way less than out east. You can immediately confirm that a car has been imported from Ontario or Quebec (this seems to be most used cars on dealer lots) by looking at any piece of aluminum under the hood.

  • avatar
    Bimmer

    By volume Ford is leading sales this year, ahead of GM in the Great White North.

    Yes, Canadians are practical bunch, favoring practical cars hatchbacks, minivans over sedans and SUVs. I believe number one selling crossover is Dodge Journey, according to Chrysler ads. I’m guessing they consider Ford Escape to be a mini SUV or something else.

    Buick Regal, Chevy Impala, Chevy Camaro (coupe and convertible), Chevy Silverado, Chevy Equinox, GMC Sierra, GMC Traverse, Chrysler 300, Dodge Challenger, Dodge Charger, Dodge Grand Caravan, Ford Edge, Ford Flex, Lincoln MKX, Lincoln MKT, Honda Civic (sedan, coupe and Si), Acura MDX, Acura CSX, Acura ZDX, Toyota Corolla, Toyota Matrix, Toyota Venza, Toyota RAV4, Lexus RX, VW Routan are all made in Canada.

    • 0 avatar
      deanst

      I assume you mean GMC Terrain.

      I believe the GM truck plant closed a few years ago. (no more Silverado or Sierra).

      Chrysler also makes the Town & Country in Windsor, and I think the Venza is made in Kentucky.

      We lost Panther production several weeks ago, while Honda has announced it will be building the CR-V here……….

    • 0 avatar
      mikey

      @Bimmer Chevy Silverado is not built in Canada. We lost our truck plant in May 09. Things arn’t looking good for the future of Equinox production. GM is opening up the moth balled Saturn Plant in Spring Hill Tenn.

    • 0 avatar

      I was under the impression that Alliston also produced the Odyssey and Pilot…no?

  • avatar
    brettc

    Canadians also like to support their fellow Canadians (assuming they can afford to). Which is why sales are so high for the Chysler vans (Built in Windsor), the Civic (built in Alliston), the Corolla (built in Cambridge), the RAV4 (built in Woodstock) and the Equinox (built in Ingersoll). Fuel efficiency is a pretty important number as well as others have said. Paying $1.20 to $1.30/litre definitely helps small car sales in Canada.

    Typically people that buy trucks in Canada actually *need* trucks for some reason and don’t usually buy them as giant commuter vehicles. And there is definitely a lot of anti-GM sentiment in Canada after the bailouts.

    • 0 avatar
      BunkerMan

      Honestly, out here on the “Far East” coast, most people don’t know where their cars are made, and could care less in most cases. It’s all about price and utility.

      I have a Veloster to commute with because of fuel economy and a F-150 Ecoboost to haul the trailer or to get to work on those 40cm of snow days. It’s typical to have a small car and a truck.

      Minivans are popular because you get the utility of a truck, you sit up higher, and they’re cheap in comparison to other vehicles. They’re not seen as mommy-mobiles around here either. The Chrysler ones sell well because they’re the cheapest.

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      I would argue against the truck as necessity thing. Just look at the numbers. Trucks are more cultural than they are necessity. In my rural area, a guy buys a truck (and usually one as large as he can afford, since it represents the size of his manhood, naturally) as a rite of passage to being a “true” farmer. More and more, the vast majority of the trucks I see are expensive and designed to look good more than actually do work (massive rims, hard tonneau covers on the box, more cabin than box, etc. In fact, many are so gussied up that a dent or scratch anywhere would cost a fortune to fix. Hell, my Outback is more functional than most the trucks that rumble around.

      As you might gather, this bothers me. People buying $70,000 pickups to play country music are the same people who bitch about how taxes are making them poor and fuel is way too expensive. I also blame this portion of the population for the disappearance of smaller, efficient, and sensibly sized trucks.

      No offense BunkerMan, I appreciate that you see the value in a smaller, more fuel efficient car in addition to your truck. Most of the rubes in my area would just guffaw and make a joke about being able to drive over it.

  • avatar
    orick

    Yeah, we Canadian sure can fool the world with our pleasant courteousness but there are a lot of political tensions here. :)

    Grand Caravan is the cheapest way to haul around a family. The manufacturers here operate differently from their US counterparts with a lot of pricing discrepancies. Subaru pricing in US was pretty competitive with Toyota and Honda. Here it somehow thinks it should command a premium. At least in the Forester price I am looking at. So probably other makers have different pricing line up as well.

    And smaller cars here don’t feel as unsafe. When I lived in Cali and drove around a Civic on the 12 lane highways around LA with all the big SUV, I feared for my life quite a few times.

  • avatar
    fred schumacher

    I live just south of the Canadian border in Minnesota, and my 3.3 liter Grand Caravan will start at 48 below air temp without the block heater being plugged in. That’s a major consideration in our climate, where I’ve had an air temp (not wind chill) down to 62 below.

  • avatar
    stuntmonkey

    Servicing a Civic here is still pretty inexpensive. You can find lots of competent independent mechanics out there, and parts and service cost are at the low end of the spectrum. Hyundai has been selling more, but it will take a few years to create that kind of knowledge base and pervasiveness.

    Another reason why the Civic does well here is because of urban density. Our large cities tend to have narrower streets and lanes than in the U.S., so it’s more comfortable to drive a smaller more nimble car. Likewise, the F150 speaks to the rural/industrial side of Canada.

  • avatar
    wsn

    As a Canadian, here are my two cents:

    1) Compact cars sell better, because those who would otherwise buy midsize/large cars bought pickups instead. Because trucks will supposedly do better in severe winters (i.e. don’t get stuck in deep snow, don’t need snow tires, tougher in a collision). I know, I know. That’s largely not true. But it doesn’t matter. People buy what they think they need.

    2) German cars are more popular, because German is the 3rd largest ethnic group in Canada (after Brits and French). In addition, the wealthy Asian immigrants will not buy anything not built by Caucasians.

  • avatar
    Mikemannn

    Why do we buy the Caravan?
    Simple: Hockey.

    What other minivan can fit two+ kids and their hockey gear, as well as fitting the BUDGET of a family with two kids in hockey?


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