By on October 1, 2011


Have you ever dreamed of owning a big red fire truck? Well here’s your golden opportunity.

Counties, cities, municipalities and parishes throughout the country get rid of their surplus government cheese through auctions. Police cars, fire trucks, commercial lawn mowers, dump trucks, confiscated merchandise, and most everything you can find inside a modern office are available for bidding.

The trick is to know when to bid enough.

Your success in large part depends on two things. The first is experience. Do you know what to look for when buying a Kubota Box Blade? Do you even know what one is? As someone who has been a part of thousands of auctions as both a buyer, seller, and member of the auction staff… I see tons of people buy ‘stuff’ that they simply know nothing about.

Why? Because they get caught up in the moment. They see a tractor they always wanted and decide that the seductive auction chant asking for a seductively low number is all the influence they need to make a bad decision. There is a ‘mob mentality’ that goes with nearly all large public sales that makes people consider buying things that they normally wouldn’t even consider under a regular retail setting.

Therefore, start with the knowledge that the auctioneer is paid by the county. Not you. His job is to make money for the county. So if you have excessive cash flow and want to find a quick way to donate it without recourse, a county auction is a great way to do it. Just remember that you will need to find a place to store the parade gaiters and the twenty-seven printers wrapped in cellophane.

The second ingredient to your success will be something called, “asymmetric information”. You need to figure out things that other attendees simply don’t know.

Let’s say you are simply going for a specific motor vehicle. You should start by visiting the sale early during the ‘preview’ time which is the day before the sale.

Bring four things with you. A ‘heavy duty’ battery jump box, an OBDII scanner, starter fluid, and someone who can assist you with the constant testing of the vehicles. You need someone that will help you inspect the vehicles and pass the time. Preferably someone who has a healthy level of experience working on and inspecting vehicles.

Some folks will inventory each vehicle’s major defect before the sale (bad engine, trans, parts removed, salvage, biohazard). But the overwhelming majority just let the tires go flat, the batteries go dead and the history to remain a mystery. Start unraveling the mystery by putting that jump box onto the battery. Try to start it up and see what happens.

If it turns over… great! Rev it a few times to see if there is any lower engine noise or obvious issues. You may find that the vehicle has old gas in it. In which case it may idle a bit funny or die off. Don’t be too alarmed if this happens. But be persistent with trying to get it in a normal idle mode.

If it idles fine and the check engine light remains off, then do the usual things you would do when testing out a vehicle. Put it into gear. Hold the break while accelerating (emergency break helps if you’re new too this). Test out the steering gear by shuffling the wheel to either side while testing for noise, Check for obvious leaks in the engine, chocolate milk on the radiator cap (blown head gasket), check out the a/c and heat, tire tread, interior leaks, oil, coolant, and tranny fluids …you need to spend a lot of time with these vehicles to see if they’re going to be worth your money.

If you are at a sale where a lot of vehicles are listed as ‘True Miles Unknown’, don’t be concerned. The county and auction company were too damn cheap and lazy to authenticate the mileage. This isn’t much of an issue with most Ford vehicles which are analog in the first place. But I see tons of ‘TMU’ vehicles these days along with ‘salvage’ vehilce, simply because most surplus units are used as parts cars after their time on the road. Not because anything dire happened to them.

A wreck is a wreck. But don’t be too concerned about bidding on a ‘salvage’ vehicle if it’s missing the headlights and a few other minor parts. Some of my best deals came from acquiring those vehicles.

If you’re not in the market for a police interceptor, your next stop will either be a vehicle owned by a county official… or a truck.

The trucks usually have hard lives. Especially if they’re older commercial trucks. If you don’t know much about older trucks don’t bid on them. Pre-1996 trucks don’t have OBDII diagnostics to make your life easy. You would be better off renting a truck when you need one at the Home Depot.

County official vehicles are a far different story. In almost all cases you will be looking at a generic midsized car from the days when Detroit amortized out their less competitive models. The bright side is that these vehicles are often maintained quite well and don’t have near the record of stress and abuse of the former police cars.

Find the few that pass your muster. Take down the VIN’s and give a call to the government’s maintenance department. Each one will keep a record of what’s been done to a vehicle and why.
Tell them that you’re looking to buy a vehicle for your family… or to save some money long-term… and ask if there has been anything recently done to the vehicle. Some folks will actually introduce themselves to the ‘fleet manager’ a few weeks before the sale. Unless you’re dealing with a large and borderline fascist government entity, it’s usually okay to just call in, be exceptionally nice, and find out what if anything has been done to the vehicle.

Keep it to no more than a few vehicles… and you will be surprised about what you find. I’ve had police vehicle vehicles that were given brand new front suspensions AND factory engines, only to have been mothballed within a year of their replacement. You may find that the car you’re interested in was the mayor’s car. Or the financial planner’s vehicle. You may also find that the vehicle has some chronic issue that makes it a no-no nadir. Do your research and be extra nice.

Congrats! You now know more about these vehicles than 99% of the public. Good luck!

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24 Comments on “Hammer Time: The County Auction...”


  • avatar
    Educator(of teachers)Dan

    And you didn’t run this article about a week and a half ago when I was inspecting something to bid on because? (Just kidding, Steve.) http://www.curbsideclassic.com/features/educator-dan-spins-the-public-surplus-cc-auction-roulette/

    Thank god I did all those things except bring the scanner. Now if I could just find out if my sealed bid was accepted. Wish the sale had been regular auction style.

    • 0 avatar
      Mark_Miata

      Nice blog entry, but I have to agree with your fiance – you are an old man when it comes to cars. Lots of boring metal in those pictures – I think the only government auction I might get into is the one where they sell the cars they seized from the drug dealers.

      • 0 avatar
        Educator(of teachers)Dan

        I think the only government auction I might get into is the one where they sell the cars they seized from the drug dealers.

        I only laughed at that Mark because about a week ago when the article was posted about Police Cars being Detroit’s last muscle car race a retired officer posted how his favorite police car was a 1990 Buick LeSabre seized in a drug raid. Just proving that not all dealers driver Lambos and exotics.

      • 0 avatar
        Mark_Miata

        Nice anecdote – I assume it’s the smart drug dealers who drive Buicks, since they are less likely to attract the attention of the law than a Lambo.

      • 0 avatar
        MrWhopee

        Just how many drug dealers drive exotics anyway? Most drive garden-variety family sedans, usually a dilapidated one at that. If you can afford exotics, why deal drugs? At least if they’re smart (and the one who can afford exotics are the smart ones) they won’t use it for business purposes. Call too much attention to themselves. The LeSabres makes for ideal drug-dealing vehicles. Roomy, with rooms for your hoodies and their automatic rifles, big trunks for the merchandise, reliable, comfortable, most importantly, anonymous!

      • 0 avatar
        Diesel Fuel Only

        I’d use a Camry. Comfy car, plenty of room. Nondescript.

  • avatar
    MrWhopee

    My understanding is that fire engines are usually meticulously maintained, right? So they’re probably the best bet. Other trucks probably don’t ever get attention if they don’t break.

    • 0 avatar
      Dimwit

      You gotta watch them carefully. Most have major rust issues esp. the one in the northern climes. It’s what gets most fire equipment. And the engines are all custom made, parts can be a bitch to get.

    • 0 avatar
      Rental Man

      Drug dealers drive full size rental cars for transporting product. Nothing special that would catch your eye. depanding on where the product is moving also ask to avoid certain lic. plates from different states. Lost a minivan with 40KG of cocaine once. Drug dealers in upper Manhattan and Bronx like the Bimmers. And Escalade. Anything flashy Cus’ you only live once Gotta make it big. Their way of life…

  • avatar
    skor

    I attended my county’s surplus auction once, it was a complete sham. Most of the stuff that they were selling was good for nothing but scrap metal. The few good items they had were steered to select buyers. The bidding was opened and closed before anyone who was not part of the scam could place a bid. I’d never waste my time again.

  • avatar
    Scoutdude

    Many auctions around here aren’t going to let you bring in the items you mentioned, though they will have a wheeled jumper available on inspection days and will start and have running when that vehicle is being sold.

    Thankfully they will also list the reason any non-op vehicle is non-op, plainly on the windshield with the lot number.

    If it does have a dead battery then your scanner won’t do you much good. Yeah some hard faults will set a code immediately but many of the emissions monitors require the vehicle to be up to temp, and driven.

  • avatar
    fiasco

    Here in New Hampsha, the small town ex-police cars usually get sold via sealed bid. When I see one, I make a low-ball offer in the hopes that maybe I can have a little Elwood Blues style fun. Or get a LeMons car…well, now I do have a LeMons car, but it’s not a cop car and I haven’t picked it up yet.

    There is an annual state surplus auction, but from what I’ve heard, it’s a good place to go pay more than high book for a thrashed Crown Vic.

    • 0 avatar
      mazder3

      Yeah, the state auction is wicked overpriced.

      Another good place to put in bids is old folks communities. The big ones that have their own plowing/mowing equipment practically give their used equipment away. For example, ’99 Ford F-350 dump with Boss plow, minor rust and 15k miles. Sold via sealed bid for $4000!

  • avatar
    volvo_nut

    Sometimes, after you get the truck home, you can use it for what it was originally designed for.
    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_c4a61361-97cf-538c-b725-d7d0439480e8.html

  • avatar
    redliner

    BRAKE! BRAKE! BRAKE! Not “Break!” B-R-A-K-E!

    Unless you are implying the brakes are broken, if so, carry on.

    • 0 avatar

      In a Craigslist ad or on Ebay it one thing. But when someone writing a how to article about cars does it, I immediately write off everything they have to say.

      • 0 avatar
        Cody

        That’s a shame, because as someone who has done most of what he’s suggested in the past with great success, you’re missing out. Also, just because we’re editing, you missed an “s” after “it”. Everyone makes mistakes, right?

    • 0 avatar
      beach cruiser

      Redliner, I feel your pain. I have been married to an English teacher for 34 years. If you really want to rev your blood pressure up, check out fordtrucks.com. One of my favorite posts of the last year was one entitled “I wreaked my tuck”. Sigh.

  • avatar
    Steven Lang

    You’re right.

    Should have been brake… sometimes the mind doesn’t register what the eyes see.

    • 0 avatar
      redliner

      Sorry, not trying to beat you u over a silly mistake. I see it misspelled all over the internet and it drives me mad! It was a decent “how-to” article though.

  • avatar
    fincar1

    Around here, it seems that if you want to bid on an old cop car, you have to outbid the taxi companies.

  • avatar
    dvp cars

    …….once old fire equipment gets past the stage where even small volunteer services don’t want them, even meticulously maintained units become a hard sell. All but the most ardent collectors eventually run out of safe storage for these behemoths. Their only hope, as Steve says, is to find a home with some spur-of-the-moment bidder, who will almost certainly end up with a serious case of buyer’s remorse.

  • avatar
    Diesel Fuel Only

    An acquaintance of mine has a 1947 American LaFrance Fire truck which was restored by Ferrar Fire Apparatus (V12 Continental engine, two sparkies per cyl.). It was in pretty dusty condition with surface rust when found but cleaned up nicely. Of course, he is in the south.

    Less difficult to drive than you might think.

    I hope my hometown never gets rid of its old trucks. One is a Ford, 1940s, very nondescript, and the other is a 1950s Mac. I wish they’d get the Mac up and running, would be great public relations. But since they can’t fix the lighting on the highway outside of town and the airport is falling to pieces, I’m not holding my breath!

    As for old detroit iron as official gov’t. vehicles, I remember the days when some agency around here had a fleet of K-cars long after they had more or less disappeared into the realm of bad memories. I can’t see how they could have auctioned those off!


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