By on January 26, 2021

Joe Biden. Shutterstock.com/lev radin

We asked you a bit ago what the Biden administration might mean for the automotive industry.

We now have a partial answer.

President Biden plans to use an executive order to replace the federal fleet of about 645,000 vehicles with fully electric vehicles. This will be done over time.

Oh, and he wants them to be built in America.

“The federal government also owns an enormous fleet of vehicles which we are going to replace with clean electric vehicles, made right here in America by American workers, creating a million auto-worker jobs, and clean energy, and vehicles that are net-zero emissions,” Biden said Monday. “Together this will be the largest mobilization of public investment in procurement, infrastructure, and R&D since World War II.”

There’s more. Biden wants to raise the content threshold needed to make a vehicle for the feds to 50 percent. And there will be a cross-agency review of domestic preferences when it comes to federal purchasing, according to Green Car Reports.

“This order is deeply intertwined with the President’s commitment to invest in American manufacturing, including clean energy and critical supply chains, grow good-paying, union jobs, and advance racial equity,” a White House press release said.

Biden’s team pointed out that the regulations that help define “domestic” have not changed since the 1950s, which has led to “loopholes” allowing manufacturers to claim less-valuable parts as “domestic” while more valuable parts – think engines – are made in other countries.

Federal purchasing rules already put more weight on domestic content, at least on the more expensive components.

The White House didn’t clarify whether Canada counts as “domestic”, as it does now.

That matters, since one potential EV the government could purchase, the GM EV600 delivery van, is slated to be built in Oshawa, Ontario.

We don’t know how much this will really change the overall industry. Surely it will incentivize some EV action among makes, although most OEMs have already been working feverishly on EV development.

I also struggle to picture fully electric armored SUVs for the Secret Service, or the president’s limo – aka The Beast – going full-on EV. But it could happen. Not to mention the phrase “over time” means that the feds have plenty of time to turn the fleet over.

I wouldn’t be shocked to see the low-hanging fruit handled early – think Ford and Chevy sedans being replaced by Teslas and Chevy Bolts, say – while the more difficult to replace vehicles hang around longer.

Then again, there is a slew of electric pickups, including the F-150, slated for launch in the near future.

This could be simply a “lead by example” move. Certainly, it will help get more EVs on the road, and that’s probably a good thing for the environment. Certain automakers will benefit from some fleet sales, and maybe EV adoption will be sped up, especially if federal workers like their company cars so much they start buying more EVs for the rest of the family.

On the other hand, this feels like a relatively small step towards further EV adoption. The retail market is just different from the fleet side, after all.

It will be interesting to revisit this in a few years. For now, Biden’s taking action – but the result isn’t yet clear.

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118 Comments on “Biden Wants American-Built, All-EV Federal Fleet...”


  • avatar
    watersketch

    In my experience, these “Buy American” rules just inspire fraud. I have worked on several construction jobs where there has been a holdup while various components have needed certification as being USA-made. (often a requirement on public works jobs). It ends up cycling amongst various suppliers until one of them produces the requested paperwork.

    What I have not seen is where a supplier replaces the material with USA-made material or responds that this is not USA-made.

    Maybe the car industry is more scrupulous…

    • 0 avatar
      ToolGuy

      I had a friend who did this calculation for the OEM where we worked. Apparently the rules are relatively bizarre:

      https://www.nhtsa.gov/part-583-american-automobile-labeling-act-reports

      (Exercise: Open the 2020 file [2021 doesn’t contain as much data yet] and focus on the 5th column. Any surprises? [Look at Ford. Look at Tesla.])

      • 0 avatar
        Luke42

        It’s a global industry. Who knew?!?

        • 0 avatar
          ToolGuy

          @Luke42,

          – You know
          – The OEM’s know
          – Many of their customers don’t know

          It has been ‘global’ since before I was born.
          It is even more ‘global’ now.
          [Peter DeLorenzo and I had an email fight about this last century – in his heart of hearts, he still wants to believe.]

          The OEM’s are perfectly willing to wave the flag and exploit people’s ignorance when it suits them.

    • 0 avatar
      wolfwagen

      “Maybe the car industry is more scrupulous…” – LINE OF THE DAY!!!

  • avatar
    tylanner

    Tesla Stock really didn’t need any extra help Joe…

    • 0 avatar
      Oberkanone

      Where is the Tesla Snowplow, Tesla Pumper Fire Apparatus, Tesla M1 Abrams, Tesla Forest Service Off Road heavy duty crew cap truck?

      Will cost be an issue? Will FED pay $100,000 for EV truck when gasoline or diesel is $40,000?

      At least there is a new Hummer EV available for DOD.

      • 0 avatar
        ajla

        “Will cost be an issue? Will FED pay $100,000 for EV truck when gasoline or diesel is $40,000?”

        You underestimate federal spending habits

      • 0 avatar
        Luke42

        “Where is the Tesla Snowplow, Tesla Pumper Fire Apparatus, Tesla M1 Abrams, Tesla Forest Service Off Road heavy duty crew cap truck?”

        It goes without saying that the final rule will contain the words “when possible”. Anything else would be stupid.

        Right-wing shock-jocks will assume it’s stupid no matter what the Biden Administration says, though, so there’s no point in trying to argue with them about it. [shrug]

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    This is the sort of thing which should have happened ten years ago. The Post Office has been needing to replace the Grumman LLV (which date to the late 80s) and a little electric go kart is precisely what was needed. In the 2009 lets-spend-trillions-act you would have thought money would have been appropriated to such a thing, and it could have served as the basis for commercial EV runabouts. Ass backwards as usual. Part of the reason to pivot to commercial sales now is EV for regular retail still does not make economic sense and there has been nearly a decade to reinforce this truth (disclosure: I do believe EV has a business case for commercial use where range is not as much of a factor and costs are deductible).

    “think Ford and Chevy sedans being replaced by Teslas and Chevy Bolts”

    I don’t see Ford and Chevy sedan customers in Teslas and nobody is buying the Chevy Bolt either (bear in mind, the W-Impala sold 169,351 units in 2012). Any of the domestic sedan buyers still with Chevy or Ford are in Equinoxes or Escapes, or perhaps turds like EcoSport.

    “As of February 2018, cumulative sales in the American market totaled 26,477 units.[87]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Bolt

    “Certain automakers will benefit from some fleet sales, and maybe EV adoption will be sped up, especially if federal workers like their company cars so much they start buying more EVs for the rest of the family.”

    Carrot and stick approach isn’t going to work for “EV adoption”, there is no business case for mass adoption of retail EVs and its already been proven by the past decade. Now in an economic environment which mirrors the Great Depression, do you really think “EV adoption” is even remotely possible? Too expensive and too many drawbacks, I suspect in the next twenty four months the overlords will realize this and then openly attack the ICE (once they declare the depression they caused “over”). Here kids you can have this thing you can’t afford which you don’t want, or you can walk. You “voted” for hope and chains 2.0, Amerika.

    Additional: Buy GIK.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Ten years ago, EV tech wasn’t nearly as advanced as it is now.

      As far as the “overlord” stuff is concerned, sorry, but I think that’s nonsense. Two years ago, people were saying Trump was an “overlord.” He wasn’t, and he lost power the old fashioned way – at the ballot box.

      The ruling party got into power with a razor-thin election margin. There isn’t anything near 100% unification on *any* issue, and screwing with peoples’ transportation is going to do nothing but p*ss off literally hundreds of millions of voters. You really think the Democrats will sign on for that after just getting back into the majority?

      As with adoption of EVs, government policy is still very much a “market driven” thing. The only difference is that the “market” with the government is voters.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        The basic technology found in a period Nissan Leaf was enough to create a replacement LLV for the Post Office, my guess is cost was the big issue. Again in 2009, you’d think $100m at some kind of pilot program would have been a good idea (esp since the money was being p!ssed away anyway).

        Its not a person, its a group; and they don’t give a hoot about voters whether you believe last year’s events or not. Uniparty from sea to shining sea. Nobody is coming to “save” us.

        • 0 avatar
          Old_WRX

          28-Cars-Later,

          “they don’t give a hoot about voters”

          Once they pass HR 1 they won’t have to worry about votes. I have to agree the overlords will do what they want. They’ve already proved that by an executive order that allows men in women’s sports and LOCKER ROOMS — as long as those men claim they are women.

          Postal door-to-door delivery is a textbook case for the value of regenerative braking. They are on the gas for 5 seconds and then on the brake for 5 seconds — dumping the kinetic energy from that gas as heat. They probably could more than triple MPG.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          “… they don’t give a hoot about voters.”

          Ask Donald Trump whether that’s true.

      • 0 avatar
        wolfwagen

        EV Tech has advanced but Charging infrastructure has not, nor has charging itself changed. The quickest rapid charger can get charge a vehicle in 20-30 minutes. Not real practical for any type of road trip, especially for a single person. My family of 5 when the kids were little could do a pit stop (gas and bathrooms) in about 10 to 15 minutes even with a line at the pumps or the bathrooms. Lines at both maybe 20 minutes

        • 0 avatar
          mcs

          @wolfwagen
          “but Charging infrastructure has not,”

          Actually, it has expanded quite a bit. The supercharger network is over 1094 stations and growing. The other networks are growing as well.

          “Lines at both maybe 20 minutes” Is ten minutes more going to kill you? If it’s an issue, just charge for 20 minutes and stop a little sooner. Actually, with newer 350kW station, you could probably get a full charge.

          “The quickest rapid charger can get charge a vehicle in 20-30 minutes” Chargers are getting quicker and more powerful. Another factor is that batteries are getting lighter and denser. That means more miles for a given battery size which means smaller batteries that can be charged for a given range much quicker than before.

          In my personal experience, I usually end up getting the “fully-charged” text before I’m done eating. My longest trip involves a 15 to 17-minute charge for extra padding to get home. That issue is going away since the new car can make it to the vacation house and back without charging.

          • 0 avatar
            wolfwagen

            @ MCS
            The supercharger network is .65 of a percent compared to Gas stations across the US.

            Yes 10 mintues is going to kill me. In the northeast 10 minutes is the differnce between an easy drive or a 1.5+ hour nightmare

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            @wolfwagen: “In the northeast 10 minutes is the differnce between an easy drive or a 1.5+ hour nightmare”

            I live in New England and know all of the roads and traffic patterns very well. Where are you encountering that kind of difference? There are places that can happen if there is an accident, but there are ways around them. That situation can happen on the 128 section of 95 around Boston for example, but it’s a random thing usually caused by accidents and can happen any time of day. It’s also easily bypassed.

            NYC to Boston is a single charge even on a small EV like a Bolt. Plenty of charge stations in the Northeast, so you could do a short 10-minute charge if time was an issue to get past a high traffic area and easily find a charger after the high traffic sections. From Boston, I could make it into NJ somewhere on a single charge. Model 3 LR could make it to Trenton from Boston easily. A Model S Plaid can make it from Boston to Fredricksburg VA.

            Another thing about the Northeast. With the traffic and slower speeds, EV range typically goes beyond EPA range. There have been times I’ve been 20% over EPA range when traffic is really bad.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @wolfwagen – For most government applications, I don’t see range or rate of charge being an issue. Most of these fleet vehicles will be used within the confines of a city.

        • 0 avatar
          Dartdude

          I travel from Arizona and Kalifornistan down the !-10 there are charging along the way. Done this route about six times back and forth. Different times of the day and different days of the week and have never seen anyone using the charging stations. What a waste money. I am glad it is not my money.

    • 0 avatar
      ajla

      Future EV adoption is going to depend on battery prices and charging infrastructure (both private and public).

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        ..and this helps on both of those counts. Volume is what brings the prices on new tech down, and you can be sure that the upcoming infrastructure push will address EV charging as well.

        • 0 avatar
          wolfwagen

          Just one little issue, where will we be getting all this electricity from? AS it is we barely have enough power right now. Add a bad heat wave and a bunch of electric cars to recharge and you will get brown outs if not black outs
          Latest stats are
          NG – 38%
          Coal 23%
          Nuke 20
          Renewables 17%
          Petroleum 1%

          The current admin Like obama wants to shut down coal what’s going to make up that 23%? The quickest one is NG although it will EVENTUALLY be a mix of NG, Renewables, and maybe Nukes (if the 4 under construction actually come online)
          But that will become expensive if they follow through on their plans and stop fracking on federal lands which will eventually mean all fracking.

          So we will be in a vicious cycle, More electric cars means more power plants, but there are not enough power plants so costs will go up and we will end up getting screwed in the end.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Interesting read for you…
            https://www.publicpower.org/system/files/documents/Americas-Electricity-Generation-Capacity-2020.pdf

            There is a LOT more capacity coming on line, most of it being from natural gas, wind and solar.

            Also, keep in mind it takes electricity to produce and distribute gasoline and diesel as well. In addition, most EV charging is going to be done at night while the car’s sitting at home, when the grid is least stressed.

            By the way, no administration “shut coal down” – the market did. Natural gas and renewables became cheaper. And the decline happened over four years of Trump, who was supposedly coal-Friendly.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            1. Generate enough electricity.
            2. ???
            3. Total EV adoption!

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            EV adoption isn’t going to be total for a long time. But it is going to increase, and for a simple reason: consumers like them. I’ve driven a Tesla Model 3 and I get why. The only disadvantage is that they’re inconvenient on long road trips…which many people just don’t take. That aside, what’s not to like?

            And when electric trucks and SUVs are introduced on a large scale, they’ll like them even more.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Model 3 starts at $37,990, I hope nearly everyone would like a vehicle which is nearly 40K to start regardless of nuances like drivetrain, handling, styling etc. The reason 84 month loans are even a thing is because of how jacked up the economic situation is and has been since at least 2008.

            The median household income last I checked (2018 or 2019) was $62K. A single person on such an income with reasonable other costs could step into a 40K car payment. When you start adding bodies to this it becomes more difficult but more and more will sign the dotted line because they want and/or need a vehicle of X size/type. They already stretched on “cheaper” ICEs on which automakers can actually profit, there is no way they en masse buy something they can barely afford and then have to have charging infrastructure installed or be limited on its range (oh and then have to wait for it to charge if they use it all in between nights). There are limited use cases at that price point, and the TCO is why they have not been able to -and likely will not- take off. If someone can put out the Model T, or perhaps a better comparison is Raspberry PI, of EVs at the right price point they could move but not before.

            As previously stated, since our social betters are absolutely obsessed with this EV future fantasy they should have directed it toward commercial first instead of the duds we have previously seen. I think the F-150 EV is going to gain a lot of press similar to the aluminum one we decried, sales will be good but once they are in retail hands we will have to judge how they are liked (don’t think fake Mustang is going to strike the same chord though). Banks will write crazy paper for pickups and most real SUVs, hell it was that way in the 00s let alone now but any bread and butter EV I’m not sure. Given non-Tesla EV resale to this point I can’t wait to see “Subprime EV: The Final Frontier”.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @28:

            ATP for vehicles in 2020 was $38378. Come on.

            If you want to complain about a vehicle type that’s driving this average up, look no further than pickup trucks.

          • 0 avatar
            Dartdude

            With the end of fracking, natural gas is going to reduced driving up the cost of electricity.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @Dartdude

            It occurred to me fracking isn’t “ending” but rather being exhausted. If they can take points from their supporters while obfuscating the truth, it seems like a logical thing to do.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        It isn’t any one thing, its TCO. None of that lines up for mainstream sales right now given the drawbacks. Commercial use is another story, and it sounds like its going to be a blank check for subsidy to businesses who play along.

        • 0 avatar
          Luke42


          1. Generate enough electricity.
          2. ???
          3. Total EV adoption!

          Step 2 is “2. Build and sell cars.”

          Tesla is doing it, and making about $1.01/share doing it.

          Their stock is doing quite well, too — though it is definitely a high risk and volatile stock to actually own. The P/E is like 886:1, which is a red flag for any assessment more rational than “I believe Tesla will change the world and make money doing it.”

          Most importantly, though, Tesla oi showing everyone else that it’s possible to build, sell, and use EVs at scale.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            GME is all you need to know about “stocks”, the same type of insanity kept TSLA going prior to 2018. I argued then and now TSLA was deemed the poster boy for where they wanted to go and was considered TBTF even when its was fledgling. Dark pools FTW.

            Tesla created a niche as a rich man’s toy, good going. They think they can go further, maybe. But the Cybertruck is another rich man’s toy and Model 3, despite teething, is still a $40K vehicle to start. 50% of the populace is not qualifying to get one let alone be able to pay for it. The quartile in between 50% and 75% may aspire to it but I’m not sure if they buy it. The 75%+ quartile is who buys it, and I have no doubt there is a percentage who could swing a base 3 but not Y and sticks with Ford, Toyota, Buick etc. Chevy attempted an EV for the masses in Bolt, so far 2020 sales were 20,754 units with 16,418 in 2019. Definitely too expensive but from the little I read its not a bad ride, so why does Tesla sell 206,500 more expensive 3s to Bolts 20K units? I think its just like GME, its a meme. Tesla is just a meme, and memes have tremendous power among the masses. That doesn’t mean EVs as an industry necessarily follow.

            gmauthority.com/blog/gm/chevrolet/bolt-ev/chevrolet-bolt-ev-sales-numbers/

            goodcarbadcar.net/tesla-model-3-sales-figures-usa-canada/

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          Well, the first big markets for personal computers and cell phones were commercial as well. The rest of the history on those products kind of wrote itself.

        • 0 avatar
          wolfwagen

          Absolutely,
          I have a business acquaintance who does insurance for buildings. He has clients in the northeast who installed solar panels. Several of the businesses waited for their inspections to get their tax credits and BAM after the inspectors left they shut the disconnects off for the solar panels. What they get from the solar panels doesnt do anything or very little to offset their utility bills, but the tax breaks are huge. Another client had Solyndra panels, one broke and it cost the guy $20K to get a panel from China. That guy will now wait until all his panels are broken before he does repairs

        • 0 avatar
          wolfwagen

          Absolutely,
          I have a business acquaintance who does insurance for buildings. He has clients in the northeast who installed solar panels. Several of the businesses waited for their inspections to get their tax credits and BAM after the inspectors left they shut the disconnects off for the solar panels. What they get from the solar panels doesnt do anything or very little to offset their utility bills, but the tax breaks are huge. Another client had Solyndra panels, one broke and it cost the guy $20K to get a panel from China. That guy will now wait until all his panels are broken before he does repairs

    • 0 avatar
      ToolGuy

      “Grumman LLV”

      Wait, wait – we’re saying that the 2021 F-Series (aluminum body on steel frame) uses technology from the 1987 mail truck (aluminum body on steel frame)?
      *That* is impressive. [low whistle]

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_LLV

    • 0 avatar
      Tim Healey

      “think Ford and Chevy sedans being replaced by Teslas and Chevy Bolts” — I think you misread me. I was referring to how most of the sedans I see in federal use, except maybe marked LEO cars, are usually Fusions and Impalas. I wasn’t referring to retail buyers making the switch.

      Just wanted to clarify.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        Thanks Tim, I took it to mean retail buyers not fleet. Yes I agree, gov’t will buy Bolt as they did Volt. Not sure if they are buying Teslas though given the cost, unless Tesla is going to cut them a deal for exposure. In the US, GM, Tesla, and likely Ford have an advantage over say VW in gov’t sales, because they are “American” marques.

    • 0 avatar
      Old_WRX

      Lou_BC,

      “Yup, women should feel threatened by gay men”

      Careful there. Not gay men, but transgender er, uh men(?). Those are not men who think they are men and prefer men as sex partners. They are biological men who feel that they are women — sexual preference unstated. You would get whomped by the SJW’s (Social (In)Justice Warriors) for confusing the two and, no doubt, labeled as transphobic which is a sin greater than gathering firewood on the Sabbath.

      Pure madness.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @old_WRX
        “They are biological men who feel that they are women”

        So how is that a threat to women?

        Lesbians go into “female” change rooms and gay men into “male” change rooms.

        You sound like someone rather insecure sbout your sexuality…. and WTF does that have to do with EV cars?

    • 0 avatar
      Pug

      I live in New Zealand. All our mailmen drive little electric vehicles called Paxsters. They come from Norway.

  • avatar
    mmreeses

    best case realistic scenario, “American-built” really means American-assembled.

    The dominant battery cell makers are LG and Panasonic. The electronic components (screens, CPU, etc) are made in East Asia—best case “designed in California”.

    Steel, aluminum and tires probably will be USA made, but compared to the value of the entire car, I’m guessing the value of the metal is small?

  • avatar
    mcs

    “I also struggle to picture fully electric armored SUVs for the Secret Service, or the president’s limo – aka The Beast – going full-on EV”

    Why?? For the armored SUVs, the Cybertruck is almost already there from the factory. Some quick modifications and it’s probably good to go. For the Beast, use the semi-platform and skin technology from the cybertruck as a starting point. Lots of benefits like gaining the redundancy that comes with multiple motors. Make it look like a giant Model S.

    • 0 avatar
      ToolGuy

      “For the armored SUVs, the Cybertruck is almost already there from the factory.”

      You sure about that?

      Gentle introduction:
      https://www.texasarmoring.com/armoring/protection-levels/

      • 0 avatar
        mcs

        “You sure about that?”

        Absolutely. Starting with 3mm thick stainless is a good head start over thin sheet metal. You put stronger stuff behind it. Or, since the panels are simple and flat, it’s easy to replace them with even stronger material. No stamping or complex forming required. Flat. The exoskeleton is also a stronger structure than conventional body on frame construction. It’s definitely a better platform to start with.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        Going to BEV makes sense in the high volume generic transportation appliance realm. I don’t see much benefit for armoured tactical units. Hybrids would make better sense for those applications. This changeover isn’t going to occur rapidly anyways.

    • 0 avatar
      wolfwagen

      BULL!
      THose things will NOT go EV. You know why? Because it is impractical to do so. And doesn’t have the convenience or flexibility. At best those things could be a Hybrid of some sort. You cant have the BEAST sitting somewhere being charged when it is needed at a moment’s notice and needs to move at top speed to safe location

      Looking at the data that TOOL GUY gave us the link to, The BOLT doesn’t make 50 %and Tesla just makes the 50% mark. The current GM Stuff (Suburbans and Tahoes) that the Government uses Doesn’t make the mark either.

      This whole thing is virtual signaling to automobile unions and environmentalists. At best THe low-level vehicles will be changed out, but the vehicles for the important imbeciles will still be ICE.

      Then the imbeciles will then use this a basis for the rest of us. They will point to fraudulent data (owned and developed by them) and say you must drive electric vehicles! while they get whisked away in their ICE vehicles.

      Sounds good in a sound bite and looks good on paper, but fails miserably in practical application in the real world, just like socialism and communism.

      • 0 avatar
        golden2husky

        wolf, glad to see you have an open mind. By the way, when you get old (though your posts make you sound 90) please stay far away from Medicare. You know the most “socialist” program in America. Surly you did so fantastically well that you needn’t taint your consciousness by using that socialist crap.

        • 0 avatar
          johnnyz

          Sadly we Americans are forced to pay into socialist ponzi scemes. We we retire, many of us have paid 10’s of $1000’s.

          We conservatives and libertarians object to socialist programs, but want OUR pound of flesh when it comes time to collect.

      • 0 avatar
        mcs

        “You cant have the BEAST sitting somewhere being charged when it is needed at a moment’s notice and needs to move at top speed to safe location”

        There’s more than one and that scenario doesn’t happen. Also, with an EV, most of the time it’s probably going to be fully charged and ready to go. Most of the time the beast is used, it isn’t for long distance road trips where range or depleted charge would be an issue anyway. Longer trips are by helicopter and plane. Even trips from the White House to Walter Reed are by helicopter.

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Excellent idea, and I applaud it. And I think adopting EVs might have the same benefits for taxpayers as they do for commercial applications – cheaper to run and maintain.

  • avatar
    AlexMcD

    Fantastic. I can’t wait to see our next generation military switching to EVs. F35EVs, Aircraft carriers with solar panel landing areas. Submarines towing solar panels behind them on the surface.

    Ok President Biden. When I see your Social Security and Airforce 1 to EVs, I’ll believe this is possible.

  • avatar
    jkross22

    LOL. Do a search on LAPD and BMW i3.

    Policies that sound good usually don’t accomplish what they set out to do because those helping to write those policies are the ones who eventually profit from the policy.

    I guess we’re not ready to take the ‘kick me’ sign off of our collective backs.

    • 0 avatar
      Garrett

      I think the overlap of the Venn diagram that includes “people that want to own former police vehicles” and “people that want an electric compact vehicle” is probably very small.

    • 0 avatar
      golden2husky

      Not all the programs end up like the i3 debacle. NYC has been transitioning from standard ICE vehicles to hybrids and now all electric for the car portion of the fleet as the existing rolling stock ages out. And that is where it should start – the technology is the most advanced in this sector. Will electric fire trucks make sense? Maybe, maybe not. But it makes sense for cars, especially those in the fleet cycle with common fleet parking facilities and after work charging. Same for buses and trucks that do city duty. You just have to be realistic. Big difference for this type of use as compared to, say, a semi truck for interstate transport.

      Check out the article about “solid-state” batteries in this month’s Motor Trend. If this tech does work out – and so far it looks very promising – many of the reasons for avoiding electric vehicles will not exist anymore. Yes, there have been many “promising” technologies that have not panned out but nobody said this would be easy. It would be nice if these ultimately wound up being made here or in Canada…I suspect there will be a lot of progress in this arena in the next five or so years. Even if the US decides to wait it out, other countries are going to move forward. So we have a choice – will America be part of the push forward and be piloting the ship or will we be on the sides and just buy the tech from others?

      • 0 avatar
        ajla

        I’m not sure if it will actually be the case, but everyone that isn’t Elon Musk seems to think hydrogen is going to be the future fuel source for most large vehicles (like for 1-ton trucks and above).

  • avatar
    Nick_515

    I applaud this initiative. It really is that simple.

    I can’t believe this. We went from politics that felt like we were Putin’s lil’ beoooch to a country unafraid to push forward.

    The caveats are no more and no less than just that.

  • avatar
    thegamper

    I would really love to see a dedicated police interceptor. Large Car, body on frame maybe, AWD optional. Like the Carbon Motors many years ago. Buying Chevy Suburbans and Tahoes to use as police cars is so wasteful on many levels. Taxpayers should not be paying for it.

  • avatar
    watersketch

    Great info ToolGuy-

    Only Tesla EVs cross that 50% domestic content threshold today. Only 5 models are in double digits..

    Chevrolet Bolt 24%
    Nissan Leaf 35%
    Tesla 3 50%
    Tesla S 55%
    Tesla Y 55%

  • avatar
    MKizzy

    A gov’t mandate to electrify its own vehicular fleet could be a backdoor way to increase retail EV adoption by increasing EV use and visibility to the public, and also provides an incentive to complete the infrastructure required to make widespread EV adoption a reality. The sticking point will be whether one or more manufacturers step up to meet the Biden Admin’s requirements or hedge their bets on the political winds changing again in 4-8 years and the EV mandate getting rolled back.

    There will of course be loopholes. For instance, unless there is a major push to advance the development of fuel cell electric vehicles and the required refueling infrastructure, it’s hard to imagine not requiring a loophole to allow hybrid vehicles to fill the gap where a long driving range and/or the ability to refuel quickly is required.

  • avatar

    All this is just the talk show. Talking heads. With Government the only change is that nothing changes.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Exactly! Biden failed at everything. He even told O’bama not to go after Bin Laden. If O’bama had a colonoscopy on that day and Biden was the president for 6 hours, we would miss the opportunity.

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    Trucks skew the figures because banks are more likely to write paper for them despite 84 month payments or FICO 560. If suddenly loan sale standards were tightened, you’d see fewer sales at lesser amounts across the board.

  • avatar
    Dartdude

    So Dictator Joe wants to waste taxpayers money on overpriced electric vehicles for the government. How is he going to pay for this? How about charging demo voters for demo membership or how about a $10.00 charge on movie tickets or sporting events since these groups love to support progressives.

  • avatar
    Superdessucke

    Define “built in America” please?

    • 0 avatar
      ToolGuy

      Well for starters, let’s include Canada, exclude Mexico and pretend South America doesn’t exist. Everyone agree?

      [Sorry Central America, we overlooked you completely.]

      • 0 avatar
        DenverMike

        That’s usually the way it goes. Except if Canada didn’t exist, the US wouldn’t miss it. Sorry but business as usual, for the most part.

        But if Mexico didn’t exist, imagine what our elicit drugs would cost.

        Decades ago, the trillions the cartels collected would get warehoused. Now it’s heavily invested in US corps, Wall Street, all over.

        Yeah we’d survive without Mexico but damn, so many things would be different, many things we don’t even realize.

  • avatar
    manbridge

    Yay, our first installed President is also a first rate job killer. Who knew? (Besides everyone.)

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      We’ll see, but it does line up with their Agenda 2030 plans. If they were smart though they’d give it a year or two with the Bidet administration installed before going to massive unemployment (30-50%) chaos to toleration order.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        Don’t worry about Texas. The secession movement is under way. I think HB56 or something… I am moving there from this dead country as soon as I hear they decided to secede.

        • 0 avatar
          mcs

          slavuta: “The secession movement is under way.”

          No it’s not. Texas is also turning blue at a rapid rate. It’s also heavily dependant on the Federal Government.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            No idea what the future holds but it was clear years ago they wanted to break up the United States so future secessionist movements are entirely possible. Independent superpowers are obstacles in implementing whatever world order they want to put in place.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            I think slavuta should secede from his mom’s basement before he moves to Texas.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Seems like a lot of those basement dwellers were holding GME and may soon be moving out into their own places. Kudos to them.

        • 0 avatar
          JD-Shifty

          Texas is getting browner, bluer and more liberal every passing day. Nice fantasy.

        • 0 avatar
          Old_WRX

          slavuta,

          Time to Balkanize the old US of A.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Old_WRX,

            large countries have tendencies to break up. Ask China. We know why they keep Uighurs oppressed. Because give them democracy and they will start separation.

    • 0 avatar
      Old_WRX

      Lou_BC,

      “Neither are 60 plus judges who threw out tRump court cases.”

      I was merely repeating the “conspiracy theory” (the term used frequently by the left for inconvenient allegations) about dead and phantom. My comment was meant to be agnostic in term of the veracity or mendacity of said theory.

      “LOL….Who would that be?”

      As I’m perfectly certain you know to whom I allude, I won’t burden you with a specific response.

  • avatar
    2manycars

    I don’t give a rat’s ass what Biden wants. I for one will never buy an electric car, even if the psychopaths in charge use violence and coercion to make it more expensive to own a gasoline vehicle. (Yes, I know this article is about the federal mafia’s fleet, but they’re going to be pushing this nonsense on the rest of us as well.)

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      “even if the psychopaths in charge use violence and coercion”

      News flash…tRump lost!

      • 0 avatar
        Old_WRX

        Lou_BC,

        Yes, and now we have bIdEn who is one of the parties in charge that 2manycars was referring to. tRuMp (don’t know what is with the funky capitalization) was no great shakes, but BiDeN is the hope of all mankind, I’m sure.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @Old_WRX – I see you don’t care for my version of his name “tRump”. I’m just emphasizing the “rump” part of his name. It’s too much typing to call him a large orange narcissistic azzhole.

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            Lou_BC,

            “I’m just emphasizing the “rump” part of his name. It’s too much typing to call him a large orange narcissistic azzhole.”

            Give your hero a couple of years and then let me know how much you still think he is great.

          • 0 avatar
            Carlson Fan

            “Give your hero a couple of years and then let me know how much you still think he is great.”

            2 years??????………good grief in his first 3 days he has already screwed this country over.

            China Joe……..Make America Last!

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “Give your hero a couple of years and then let me know how much you still think he is great”

            LOL….Who would that be?

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          here is your tool: qᴉpǝu

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            Carlson Fan,

            “2 years??????………good grief”

            The man’s a disaster. But, that was painfully obvious. Still a lot of people voted for him (I’m not including the dead people and mail in ballot phantoms). Mind boggling. And here’s the game plan…

            “https://www.globalresearch.ca/after-covid-davos-moves-great-reset/5735441”

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            @lou_bc: “Give your hero a couple of years”

            There are some judges in NY that are going to do exactly that. Orange is the new MAGA.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Nah, nothing will happen to OrangeManBad just as nothing happened to Hillary… or Bill… or Comey… and so forth.

            Its a big club and we ain’t in it.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            (I’m not including the dead people and mail in ballot phantoms)

            Neither are 60 plus judges who threw out tRump court cases.

            Georgia had 2 cases of fraud involving dead people and those votes were cast for tRump.

            LOL

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @mcs – Yes. tRump’s next term will be first Lady of the cell block.

          • 0 avatar
            Carlson Fan

            Carlson Fan,

            “The man’s a disaster. But, that was painfully obvious. Still a lot of people voted for him (I’m not including the dead people and mail in ballot phantoms). Mind boggling. And here’s the game plan…”

            Let’s face it a lot of ignorant people voted for him not because they thought he would do a good job, but simply because they didn’t like Trump.

            You’d have to have had your head in the sand pretty deep to have not noticed how the left leaning news media did everything they could to convince the people of the USA what a racist he was during his presidency. MAGA was about putting the USA first and implementing policies that benefitted the citizens of this great country vs lining the pockets of a corrupt politician. But of that course that was turned into some bull$hit white supremest narrative by the left. The reality is minorities did better under Trump than pretty much any other president and those that didn’t play into the “I’m a victim” mentality realized it.

            As he said, they’re not after me, they’re after you, I’m just in the way. Isn’t that the truth!

            Regardless of what party you affiliate yourself with as a politician, you either make good decisions for the benefit of the USA or you don’t. Trump, like him or not, made good decisions for this country.
            Biden has already made many decisions that will hit the poorest in this the country the hardest.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        qᴉpǝu is tyrant

        • 0 avatar
          Old_WRX

          slavuta,

          “qᴉpǝu is tyrant”

          You just don’t read enough CNN. If you did you know that TrUmP is 110% evil and βιδεν is all things good, true, virtuous, etc.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Extremism in the defense of paranoia is no vice.

      • 0 avatar
        Old_WRX

        FreedMike,

        “Extremism…”

        Like labeling anyone who didn’t vote for you a “terrorist”
        or a “psychopath,” or suggesting that they need to be “deprogrammed”? That is extremism.

      • 0 avatar
        Carlson Fan

        “Extremism in the defense of paranoia is no vice.”

        You talking about the 26,000 troops sent to the capital during the inauguration?

        If you think the was a necessary step that needed to be taken to insure law and order, which I’m all for BTW, you’re kidding yourself. What a joke and an absolute waste of taxpayer money that debacle was.

        • 0 avatar
          Old_WRX

          Carlson Fan,

          “Trump, like him or not, made good decisions for this country.”

          Yes, he did. I was quite surprised by him. When he was elected I thought he was going to be terrible, but surprisingly he wasn’t.

          I don’t know whether Trump is a racist or not. And, I don’t care. His actions were good for minorities and that’s all that should matter to anyone. The ones playing the race game are the democrats with their absurd critical race theory — total nonsense.

          But, Trump is a patriot and the globalists wanted him out.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            Based on his actions after the election Trump was as much an American patriot as Jefferson Davis.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “tRump is a patriot”

            Someone has been guzzling the orange coolaid.

            Ha ha ha.

            That’s a laugh. The only thing he cares about is himself.

            A majority of Americans wanted him out.

            If he’s such a patriot, why did 4 lawyers just quit his defense team?

          • 0 avatar
            Carlson Fan

            “Yes, he did. I was quite surprised by him. When he was elected I thought he was going to be terrible, but surprisingly he wasn’t.”

            Same here, because I didn’t help vote him into office in 2016, but I wanted him there in 2020.

            His policies kept me from a 2nd round of layoffs last summer. Those were policies he put in place because he actually had the balls to stand-up to China. No wonder they(China) were so happy Beijing Joe won the election because now they can get back to screwing this country over.

            He also supports & backs law enforcement. But we all know how racist they are right?……so that makes Trump a racist by association.
            Think we’ll get that same type of backing/support from Biden or Harris?

            Thanks to woke Minneapolis city council & their terrible leadership when it comes to law enforcement, I will no longer venture into the city of lakes. Such a shame, as it is, ……well it was, a beautiful city. I’ll just stay out here in the western suburbs where it is still fairly safe and I don’t need to lock ‘n’ load every time I get into my Volt to go someplace!

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @CarlsonFan- tRump is a racist for multiple reasons. His support for “law and order” is laughable. It’s a talking point with no real action.
            He’s too stupid to come up with policies of his own. He’s a con-man that’s sold ideas that people wanted to hear. He hurt just as many with his trade wars with China. His withdrawal from the TPP is an example of his ignorance and racism. It was designed to hem in China and shift trade to the USA. Part of the reason he walked away was because Obama’s name was on it.

    • 0 avatar
      Old_WRX

      Carlson Fan,

      “Think we’ll get that same type of backing/support from Biden or Harris?”

      LMAO. Not in a million years.

  • avatar
    el scotto

    Glad to see this didn’t devolve into a political diatribe; No Sir not at all. To gleefully plagiarize there are too many ICE vehicles to outlaw them. Ditto with guns. With the obvious out of the way, I have some questions. Did anyone care to total up vehicles in the GSA fleet? The GSA fleet, not diesel burning Humvee’s, JP-8 (kerosene) burning jets, and nuclear powered aircraft carriers? If someone did total up the GSA fleet, could we get a count of sedans? Yes, just sedans. As of now there are no EV 15 passenger vans or EV half ton pick up trucks whatever you want to call them. How many of these GSA sedans are for daily or work week use only? How many of you have driven a GSA vehicle? They seemed to have been bought at Sucky McSucks dealership who sells the lot pigs to the government. No one has determined how often GSA sedans are used to go to a meeting on the other side of town. The government might come up with a new job: “Fleet Technician” or such. Make sure the EV is plugged in correctly and Billy and Lurlene from Sector 7-G didn’t leave any McDonalds wrappers in the car. Will the GSA fleet ever go 100% EV? No, too many specific use vehicles. Will someone with a car and driver choose an EV? Again, maybe. For single day, short route use? Yes.

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