By on March 28, 2016

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The lowly Cimarron might be be a distant, nightmare-fuel memory, but Cadillac’s current sales strategy is still being impacted by a history of not measuring up to European rivals.

The luxury automaker’s newest offerings — the CT6 sedan and XT5 crossover — have been saddled with so-so resale values by residual forecaster ALG, according to Automotive News, making it more difficult for Cadillac to offer competitive lease rates.

Residual values are tied to brand value, and although Cadillac has made big strides in terms of quality and innovation in recent years, the company still hasn’t amassed the resale clout of its German competitors. Incentives aimed at moving slow-selling models out of showrooms haven’t helped, either.

As a result, the residual for the CT6 after 36 months is 46 percent, trailing BMW and Audi, while the XT5’s 54 percent lags behind its closest Lexus competition.

Cadillac President Johan de Nysschen told Automotive News that the company will still be able to offer attractive leases on the new models, but lamented their standing in the eyes of ALG.

“I believe that they should be better,” said de Nysschen, adding that he hopes a smart approach to new car incentives and a better strategy for remarketing used cars will eventually boost Cadillac’s residuals.

The XT5 is Cadillac’s entry in the luxury midsize crossover category, replacing the SRX in that role. That model goes on sale in April, while the competitively priced CT6 flagship should already be rolling into dealerships.

The two introductions follow a bad sales year for Cadillac’s smaller offerings, the ATS and CTS, according to GoodCarBadCar.

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149 Comments on “Cadillac (and its Resale Values) Still Haunted by Troubling Past...”


  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Oh, my…here it comes.

    By the way, Steph, it might be helpful to the story to copy the actual residual figures from the news source you quoted.

    From the link it appears the new models do NOT have Cimarron-like resale fails – they’re a few points behind some of the other models mentioned. Lower, but not ridiculously so.

    • 0 avatar
      NormSV650

      GM Supplier Discount, available to all, is about $3,000 off MSRP. No one except these reports always use pay full MSRP(Hank Hill episode here)?

      With the known discount the residuals are at about 49% or right inline with other premium makes on the consumer end. Where does Lexus fit in this article?

      • 0 avatar
        DeadWeight

        $3,000 off MSRP?

        Only a complete retard wouldn’t get 20% to 30% off MSRP on any Clackillac but the Escalade, NON-GM discount.

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          Once more, with feeling: Not every market is Detroit. Around here ATS transaction prices seem to be 15%+ off and CTS 10%-15% with the greater discounts at the lower end of the range.

          Resale value is actually not bad for a luxury brand if you calculate from those transaction prices.

      • 0 avatar
        HotPotato

        Norm (or anyone), how do you figure the GM Supplier Discount is “available to all”? I don’t work for a GM supplier and neither does anyone I know.

        • 0 avatar
          MrGreenMan

          Step 1: Drive to the GM proving ground in Milford, MI.
          Step 2: Drive North to LaFontaine. Claim you want the Supplier Discount, and, being so near the proving ground, you think they’ll give that to you. Threaten to buy a Lincoln from Hines Park or that you’ll go to Cadillac of Novi if they won’t call the proving ground to give you the discount.
          Alternate Step 2: Drive South and slightly East to Cadillac of Novi. Claim you want the Supplier Discount, and, being so near the proving ground, you think they’ll give that to you. Threaten to buy a Lincoln from Hines Park or that you’ll go to LaFontaine if they won’t call the proving ground to give you the discount.

          Admittedly, it was Jay Chevrolet and not LaFontaine that offered this information without my asking for it.

          • 0 avatar
            Sigivald

            0. Realize no GM product is actually worth this effort unless you already live there.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            MrGreenMan either has played this game before or is an industry insider.

            +1 MrGreenMan

            *Cadillac of Novi is a volume dealer. When they have to make their quota (usually in mid summer, end of month, and December, near end of month or first week of January if on extension), there’s no lengths they won’t go to in order to move the moldy Clack-i-lak metal.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I am eligible for the GM discount and although I have never used it, I wonder if its as simple as BS my way into it. Chrysler required a login to a special website to generate a code when a co-worker purchased a Wrangler last year (we get Chrysler discounts too for some reason, but not Ford).

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            28CL – Depending on timing, the code may or may not help, in terms of getting a better price (Clack-i-lack was blowing out 2014 CTS V-Sports for $22,000 off sticker no employee discount required in August of 2014).

        • 0 avatar
          NormSV650

          HotPotatoe, as 28CL mentions you just need a code for supplier pricing. Any GM employee can give it to you. Just need date of birth and zip code if I remember correctly.

          The deals are good but as DW mentions not always the best with GM Supplier/Employee pricing.

  • avatar
    NoGoYo

    The resale values of 06-11 DTSes surprise me.

    Northstar woes had me thinking they’d sell for far less than Panthers, but nope.

    • 0 avatar
      CoreyDL

      Surprises me too. Especially after I pulled the door open on a DTS once, felt the handle, and saw what was inside.

      BLEH! I was mad.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        So what was inside?

        Hopefully not a wad of chewing gum…

        • 0 avatar
          CoreyDL

          Wadded gum would easily fit in the panel gaps in there. And perhaps stick very well to the Impala steering wheel.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Didn’t you own a DTS?

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Heck no! I have a 93 Deville right now.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            This is what Corey did:

            youtube.com/watch?v=-_IlNbsILLE

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I drove it to my work dinner last Monday. Got a compliment from an insurance company president on it!

            However, that was overshadowed when coming out from the restaurant later that evening. We were all presented with a valet firing up a Ferrari 458 for a couple in what looked to be their 80s waiting for it.

            What a delicious sound.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Your fine Deville is the Ferrari 458 of Cadillacs on the road in Ohio.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I should have drag raced that old guy! I’m surprised he was limber enough to climb in and out of it. My grandfather certainly would never have managed.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Today’s old people have been upgraded. Six Million Dollar Man was a documentary on the future…

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            He just passed away in August, had to be about the same age as this dude give or take five years.

            Must have missed his bionic appointments.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Sorry to hear.

          • 0 avatar
            RideHeight

            “a Ferrari 458 for a couple in what looked to be their 80s waiting for it.”

            To me *that’s* the Greatest Generation. Born just late enough to miss WWII but perfectly placed to benefit from the postwar boom.

            “True, we haven’t screwed in decades but you’ll *never* own a Ferrari. And someday you’ll be just as dead as us.”

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I want to be 80 too!

      • 0 avatar
        Aquineas

        Do tell! I kinda like the look of the new Cadillacs. I might stroll through the Caddy dealership when the Genesis is paid off.

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        So many common parts between DTS, Lucerne, and Impala of that era. So many. The DTS and Lucerne were on a different platform from the Impala but you wouldn’t have known it by looking inside.

      • 0 avatar
        RobertRyan

        Yes agree. Saw them in the US, pretty low quality for a ” Luxury Car”

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    “Residual values are tied to brand value, and although Cadillac has made big strides in terms of quality and innovation in recent years, the company still hasn’t amassed the resale clout of its German competitors.”

    Took Audi what, 25 years to rebuild their reputation after the 5000 almost ruined them? Cadillac was making crap, 8-6-4, 4100 crap, and downsized crap from 1977-1989. Then they made Northstar crap and STS crap 1993-2011.

    Meanwhile, they dropped all legendary nameplates, and also hired a fashion consultant to speak publicly how they don’t make cars – and are interested in lifestyle. Oh, and they also started making sporty stuff to try and BMW, the opposite of their traditional appeal to customers.

    It has absolutely not been long enough for them to be restored. They’re still f*cking it up currently.

    • 0 avatar
      heavy handle

      Cadillac always claims that they’ve made big strides, but so has everyone else. Just because they are improving doesn’t mean they aren’t losing ground.

    • 0 avatar
      Ltd1983

      Cadillac needs to learn from what they do well, the Escalade.

      People who buy Cadillacs want size, uniquely American styling and prestige. Think: Anything that would sell well in Texas.

      Putting cars that compete with BMW/Mercedes in Cadillac showrooms just emphasizes how much better those brands are at that game.

      Give us a big, cushy RWD sedan and call it a Fleetwood or Deville.

      Give us a big, flashy, powerful Eldorado coupe.

      Stop testing any Cadillac on the damn Nurburgring, test them over potholed American roads.

      The ATS/CTS are alright cars, but they’re not what a Cadillac is about, or will ever be.

      • 0 avatar
        Mandalorian

        The Northstar was asinine. GM makes some of the best pushrod V8s in the world. I actually think it would be a selling point to have a “Corvette V8” under the hood.

        • 0 avatar
          DeadWeight

          This is GM.

          Why would they do the rational thing, and use a proven V8 they already have in their stable, maybe tuning it for quieter, more refined idle, etc. (it’s pretty reliable), as Lexus would do, when they can either:

          1) Use a ubiquitous 3.6 liter or ubiquitous 2.0T used in Chevy and Buick more “plebian” vehicles, or

          2) Re-create the wheel and come up with a unique, expensive to develop, unreliable motor such as the Northstar.

      • 0 avatar
        krhodes1

        You five fossils who would actually buy such a sedan are all hanging out on TTAC, and would never buy it new anyway.

      • 0 avatar
        smartascii

        I don’t know. People who want a Cadillac buy Escalades. The remaining Cadillac buyers buy SRXs, but I think that’s because they can’t afford the X5 they really want.

        As a dyed-in-the-wool lover of big, cushy, RWD sedans, I have to say that no one wants those anymore, and even if they did, CAFE means almost no one will make them.

        For the rest of us, the fact that you can get a 3-5 year old Cadillac sedan for $10-15k means there’s a great alternative to a 1-2 year old Corolla for about the same price. As long as it doesn’t break.

      • 0 avatar
        sportyaccordy

        “Cadillac needs to learn from what they do well, the Escalade.”

        I think this is an understatement.

        I am still of the belief that Escalade should become its own subbrand with something to fight every model Land Rover makes, with the looks of the big daddy. They have platforms and the hardware, and those things would do 10x better than any “ring tuned” Cadillac sedan. Resale values would go through the roof, as would profits- imagine how much money GM would make on a $40K Equinox? Literally everyone else is doing it and making money hand over fist- I myself am highly intrigued by that whole Q5 class for a family car. It’s a no brainer.

        Truthfully the Alpha platform probably didn’t need to happen and if they don’t cash in on a ton of CUVs from it they will never recoup. But I think they didn’t need it for CUVs anyway.

    • 0 avatar

      They watched too much BMW nonsense. I used to wonder why the BMW Magazine I got was only tangentially about cars-the rest was a glossy art tome. GM took away the wrong part of that….

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    my uncle with the 2014 Cadillac CTS that’s been to the dealer 3x for leaking oil and massive 3.6 liter vibrations, especially at idle, as well as CUE issues, and now a transmission shift problem (it’s currently at the dealership again), has a friend at the Caddy dealership who knows that he regrets getting rid of his Raven Black DTS for the POS-CTS.

    Anyways, this friend has told him that he can get into a gently used XTS with 18,000 miles for $26,000 that MSRPd for well over $50,000.

    Resale values on the ATS, CTS and SRX all blow, also, on both an absolute and relative basis.

    But hey, the new Luxury CT6 with the base 2.0T motor (same one used in Chevy and Buick vehicles that throw pistons) is now on sale.

    The Escapade is single-handedly keeping the utility bills paid at the some-990 Cadillac Dealerships, and god himself can’t help those dealers if Escalade sales fall significantly.

    • 0 avatar
      heavy handle

      I think the 2.0 makes sense in the CT6. Most customers will be fleets, or old timers. The car should be muffled and sound-insulated enough that nobody can tell what’s under the hood.

      Unlike you, I don’t mind the CT6. It will make a decent limo for the airport run. It has lots of room in the back. I agree with your take on the ATS and CTS. They should discontinue one or both, it would save them money and embarrassment.

    • 0 avatar
      tonycd

      DW, that’s a pretty shocking price on the XTS. Say what one will about its humble genes and its crappy telematics, but by regular-Joe standards it’s an extremely nice car, and that’s a Camry XLE price. Is that a real price, unpadded by skimping on the value of the trade-in?

      • 0 avatar
        Zero Cool

        I was researching this subject and came across this article and subsequent comments, so, I’m a year late to the game. Anyhow, I am pretty darn sure those price/s for the used XTS were factoring in a discount factor of formerly being in a rental fleet. XTS is one of the cars used for a full sized-luxo rental, similarly to how the DTS was. I agree it’s a pretty darn nice car, one of the nicest actually and smoothest ride around, bar none. The dealer “friend” in the above poster’s commentary can claim the XTS was “gently used” but I’d bet serious money there was more to the story; (i.e. rental) because any other instance seems to be pretty much, freaking rare. (try to find a single private owner’s for sale; you can’t)

        So, I’d bet it was from a former rental fleet, and that alone brings down the residual value for any car; about a third to half of used cars customers won’t consider a rental car. People think rental cars are abused (whether they are or not, it’s still a negative general consensus).

        Checkout CarFax for used XTS’, practically all are marked as former rentals.

        It’d be interesting to see how much a similar mileage XTS from a private single owner goes for in comparison to the rentals and what discount percentage the rental factor equates to. This is a hard statistic to come by as single, private owner used XTS’s are rare in the used market – on a search just now there were no instance of such on late models from CarFax after a quick search in a few major cities, they were all former rentals.

        Rentals seem to be flooding the XTS used car market and are now the default standard (take the rentals out of the equation and they’re as rare as others in it’s class from private owners (Audi A6 etc, where you’d get 1 or 2 used late models for a medium sized market) search) Anyhow, this is not to say normal people don’t purchase brand new XTS – obviously they do as it continues to be one of the best selling Cadillacs and it basically pays the bills along with the Escalade. I’m curious why those owners don’t seem to sell them or trade them in as that instance seem to be rare in the used car market.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      @deadweight

      That’s about right.

      MY14 Cadillac XTS FWD “Luxury” trim.

      03/18/16 PA Lease $29,000 9,947 Above BLUE 6G P Yes
      03/22/16 ORLANDO Lease $24,000 18,775 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
      03/22/16 ORLANDO Regular $25,000 24,680 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
      03/11/16 PA Regular $23,750 33,182 Avg GREY 6G Yes
      03/02/16 NJ Regular $23,000 35,212 Avg GRAY 6G A Yes
      02/24/16 PALM BCH Lease $24,000 37,829 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
      02/24/16 DALLAS Lease $23,300 38,955 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes

    • 0 avatar
      seanx37

      The transmission thing…wait til the differential melts down. My dad’s CTS V sport is on its third. In 16 months.

      He is of the generation that were brought up to want Caddys. After the lease is done on this one, he said to me ” I am getting a Lexus next time”

    • 0 avatar
      NormSV650

      Wait… DW says model year 2013 XTS, grandma driven, can be had less than $47,000 new, or only a $21,000/44% in depreciation. Hot damn!

  • avatar
    natrat

    not enough performance or sporty awd variants to get the north east mountain younger crowd that don’t want a truck

  • avatar

    Agree. W T F. ATS is dead in the water. So is XTS. Stick a fork in both of them already. Who can tell XT5 from XTS? Yeah, I know but so what? The CTS is good, but CT6 makes it obsolete, no?

    Cadillac needs to get real. They need another crossover or 2, and yesterday. With 2 CUVs, 1 big honkin’ SUV and one sedan with perhaps a coupe/convertible variant, maybe they can stay alive as a 4-5 product brand. Maybe.

    Trying to be all-things-to-all-people like M-B, BMW, Lexus and the rest just isn’t on the table now, if ever.

    Finally, if Lincoln and Buick can make gains with attractive new product, I really don’t know what the point is outside of Escalade.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      Johan’s & Melody’s & Pen Boy Uwe’s Plan to save Cadillac revealed:

      The Arena By Millennial Chick

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDCX4sxU-uA

      The Daring | Jason Wu

    • 0 avatar

      There was a CT6 next to a CTS at the Auto show tonite. The CT6 is big and roomy and more “caddy”. The interior of the current CTS is not as nice as the second gen-the top interior is now in the CT6.

      The NY Auto show failed in that they showed two ATS-V, coupe and sedan, a CTS-V sedan and a CT6. There was one “normal” version of an ATS, but that is it. I love the fact they make a V car, and have been lucky enough to drive a CTS-V with the supercharged V8, but that is what, 2% of the market ? A VSport CTS might have been nice, or, even a Luxury version. Also, what is up with the alleged “Recaro” seats in Caddies ? I’ve had them in other cars, and other than the label, whatever GM is installing, is NOT a “Recaro”.

  • avatar
    Arthur Dailey

    We have repeated this ad nauseum. Cadillac needs to go big or go home.

    Create the biggest, flashiest most over the top vehicles available. Load up the chrome. Install the biggest V-8 or even better a V-12. Two models, one as a supersized SUV, the other model as a supersized sedan with a long-wheel based limousine variant. Later add a personal luxury coupe, as a convertible only.

    Make them something that those who aspire to drive an Escalade will drool over.

    Give the original owner an unparalleled warranty and inflate the price accordingly so that only those with more money than brains will buy one or 3rd world dictators, families of dictators, oligarchs and ‘biznesemen’.

    Only then will they be able to re-establish themselves as a cachet brand.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      True, but what you or I might think of as “cachet” may not resonate with the people currently aspiring to own a luxury car.

      (I’m assuming you’re not 30, though…)

    • 0 avatar
      SCE to AUX

      Totally agree.

      Per the article: “…he hopes a smart approach to new car incentives and a better strategy for remarketing used cars will eventually boost Cadillac’s residuals”.

      This is so wrong. Many people have opined that the problem with the ELR (Voltec drivetrain) was its price. But I steadfastly believe Cadillac’s problem with the ELR and its other offerings is PRODUCT.

      Throughout 2014-5, the Tesla Model S (against which the ELR was often compared) outsold the ELR 18:1. Given similar pricing, the difference was PRODUCT.

      Buyers will pay top dollar for top cars. But lowering prices to match lower-quality product is not a winning strategy for a company striving to be a cachet brand.

      • 0 avatar
        Carlson Fan

        @ SCR to AUX – When I asked about the used Volt I’d come to look at, immediately one of the salesmen at the Chevy/Cadillac dealership tried to sell me an ELR. I said I’ve got 3 kids I need 4 doors. My Volt has the Cadillac paint, close enough.

    • 0 avatar
      CarnotCycle

      Caddy should definitely have brand-bespoke motor at very least, preferably a V12. One is not fooled sitting in a tightened’n’tarted corporate mule with a Chevy pushrod no matter how nicely GM (again) recycles that formula. Such vehicles can be, and indeed often are, nice cars – but they aren’t ‘premium’ at all.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        In other post we were discussing how important drivetrain is on low to middle level luxury car purchases. A V12 would be very cool, but probably isn’t worth the cost to develop given the reality of Cadillac. The Chevy pushrod makes a heck of a lot more sense and might even raise resale, there are plenty of CPO buyers who would love to buy a reliable luxury car with original owners being more interested in creature comforts.

    • 0 avatar

      BMW showed an M7 with V12. Bigness achieved, and they don’t have to actually sell that many !!!

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        BMW uses a V12 in its Rolls Royce line as well as in the 7 Series, the motor was already developed and paid for by a profitable model/marque. For Cadillac to develop a new 12 cylinder motor to be used in one or two models is nonsensical but to utilize something which already exists in great volume is wise.

        • 0 avatar
          CarnotCycle

          BMW M actually proves my point. E60 M5 had S85 V-10 with F1 pedigree. E39 M5 had M62 V8 with custom bore, eight throttlebodies, and VANOS (S62). Two generations of same model, two different bespoke engines.

          Caddy built 2009 CTS-V to beat/compete with E60 M5 V10 specifically. They wound up with a car that is marginally faster around most tracks; but one that acts, sounds, and feels like a very well done version of same car GM has been building for decades – because that is what it is.

          Does BMW get away with stuffing corporate V8/blowdryer kit in current M5 (complete with stereo-racecar noise) and charge arm/leg for it? Yes they do, and they are (foolishly) monetizing now a reputation earned with those previous M5 generations of yore.

          Cadillac can’t do same greedy thing until they have a reputation that adds perceived value instead of subtracts it. No marketing campaign has ever imbued a marque with such actuarially measurable goodwill – but the propulsion can.

    • 0 avatar
      sportyaccordy

      No, this won’t work. Plenty of brands have made big strides without doing any of this. Lexus, Infiniti and Lincoln have never had V-12s and have had bouts of huge growth and success. Nobody is talking about or really cares about the German’s 12 cylinder engines… everyone is downsizing engines now. The halo car is an ancient irrelevant concept. My favorite example is the GT-R. Aside from the Juke, Z and the Murano Nissan’s lineup SUCKS. They should have taken the $$$ they put into the GT-R and invested that into the rest of their lineup. So in that case a halo car hurts more than helps.

      Caddy needs to focus its efforts on the meat of the market. Actually understand the market rather than chase 20 year old metrics of success (having the sportiest sedan). The benchmark 3 has got a lot softer, with more room, tech and straight line performance. That’s what buyers want today…. not to be able to be in a showroom with V12s in $150K cars they can’t afford as they wait for their oil change.

  • avatar
    laserwizard

    Cadihack has a wretched present. The Seedy Six is cheap looking and not at all worth the money. The interior is even cheaper looking with that big grey plastic surrounding the touch screen looking like it is more fitting in a $15k Sonic than in an $80k pretender.

    When the ATS and CTS four door sedans cannot even seat four adults in comfort, there is no reason the resales should be high.

    Cadihack is actually in worse shape than Lincoln. For a decade Cadihack has supposedly been in its renaissance – the Arts and Scientology look is dated and there is nothing luxurious about anything this company sells. It has too much volume to be exclusive and has too many models to be focused.

    There is no reason to think that a mass market faux luxury car should have a resale percentage above a Kia.

  • avatar
    65corvair

    Set a sticker price and stick to it. Yes sales will fall, but supply and demand will be in balance. I saw a Caddy the other day that had I think had a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder. Are they nuts. A Caddy needs a V8. How a bout a 2,5 V8 turbo for the little Caddy,s? I’ll never be able to afford a new Caddy, but that’s OK because I don’t want one.

    Many years ago the head of Cadillac commented about they didn’t sell Cadillacs, but Buicks. They should not sell one car for less than $50,000. That’s what Buick is for.

    • 0 avatar
      PrincipalDan

      Yes prior to that comment Cadillac had it’s best sales year in history.

      The gentleman was asserting that Cadillac had been sacrificed at the altar of volume volUME, VOLUME! When a Cadillac was a by god Cadillac was when demand was greater than supply and a Cadillac sold at full sticker price with resale values that were among the best in the business.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        Cadillac had nearly 3% market share around 1992, in 2014 it was 1.1% and nearly 50% was SRX alone.

      • 0 avatar

        There is a “Mad Man” episode where Don Draper buys Cadillac – the process was eye opening for me, how highly valued was Cadillac back in days. And it was a breathtakingly beautiful car. How GM managed to screw it all? Walk today into Cadillac dealership and you will be greeted with some sleazy afgani salesman who will threaten you you just want to test drive the car.

        • 0 avatar
          CoreyDL

          That was a particularly impressive scene. I forget the amount that Coupe Deville was ($6700?) but in 1961 it was a huge sum.

          And he wrote a check on the spot.

  • avatar

    I “experienced” the CT6 and XT5 at NYIAS.

    As stated in my 3 hour long 4K video, I wasn’t impressed.

    I was excited about it – since I’m in the market for a Cadillac- but the interior cuts felt cheap and unfinished.

    The XT5 was no better. Nothing but an SRX with minor guzzy-uptouches.

    I’m thinking I’d be better off with an XTS for mom.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      I’ve been saying this since I saw REAL PHOTOS of the CT6 at the NYIAS.

      The interior is not even not good enough to remotely compete with a Mercedes E Class (let alone S Class), it’s LITERALLY not as good as a Hyundai Genesis.

      I can’t wait you til all that Jalopnik knob slobbering over the CT6 is played out for the tripe it was; about the time that fist year sales figures come in for the CT6 and show they moved maybe 8,000 to 10,000 of them, max, for a full calendar year (and then they start piling up with pallets of cash on the hood, ala CTS, ala ATS, ala nearly everything Cadillac).

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    GM, for at least the last twenty years, has been unable to stabilize Cadillac resale. I doubt they even could if they tried hence the direction of becoming a lease heavy Tier II German brand like Volkswagen. The problem here is the leasing company has the real chance of taking a bath if they get the calculations off in addition to the fact if zee Germans undercut Cadillac lease pricing the “standard” of the world is screwed. Second tier faux German vs real faux German? No contest.

    “As a result, the residual for the CT6 after 36 months is 46 percent, trailing BMW and Audi, while the XT5’s 54 percent lags behind its closest Lexus competition.”

    I will be anxious to see what actually happens, if either model isn’t a complete POS it should be a little bit better. I figure 55-60% in a year at best, but the following MYs may fare better if either model gains popularity.

  • avatar
    JCraig

    Kind of funny how this works.

    “Brands thought to be more expensive will be cheaper to lease than brand that is thought to be worth less, making less valuable car actually cost more than expensive brand.”

  • avatar
    ajla

    Whatever. I hope Lincoln puts them in the ground and the Audi/BMW intenders continue laughing.

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      Yeah, Cadillac lost their way.

      Back in 1992 I was faced with the choice of buying an American luxo-barge for the wife to show real-property buyers various properties.

      We ended up with the Lincoln Towncar. IMO, it was the better-built vehicle of the two, more solid, better finished, more spacious and easier on the eyes.

      OTOH, my dad’s dream car was his Caddy, even though that 8-6-4 turned out to be a nightmare.

  • avatar
    indi500fan

    I remember the “good old days” of GM back in the late 60s. You had to be a mid level employee to even get the employee discount (which was a lush 25% off sticker price). All the guys bought a new Caddy every year and made good money selling it after 12 months. Even in Michigan and Ohio.

  • avatar
    Speed3

    GM has fumbled the ball so many times they need to give up. Really. GM is best off spinning off Cadillac or selling it to another automaker.

    Tata has a done a pretty good job with Jaguar Land Rover. It’s time somebody with capital and commitment give Cadillac the product it deserves.

    GM is already a shell of its former self. A Chevrolet – GMC – Buick/insert-regional-brand-here would be just fine.

    • 0 avatar
      mike978

      Tata inherited JLR on the upswing brought about under Ford’s ownership. They seem to have had the good sense to let JLR management get on with it and not interfere too much.

    • 0 avatar
      indi500fan

      Isn’t recent Land Rover legendary for stunningly huge repair expenses?

      • 0 avatar
        Maxb49

        They are and there is no reason why that should be the case. General Motors, Volvo, Mercedes, Toyota, and Honda have all built engines that lasted – literally – one million miles or better. These include gasoline I4 engines, gasoline V8 engines, and diesel engines. Land Rover engines self destruct. You’re lucky if you can eek out 180,000 miles. Land Rover makes the most expensive cheap cars on the market today.

        • 0 avatar
          heavy handle

          The real problem Rovers are late (02-04) Discovery 2’s. By that time the tooling for the ex-Buick V8 was worn-out.

          The ones that haven’t grenaded yet can be fixed, at a price (search for “Robison Service blog” if this interests you).

          The BMW V8 wasn’t great, but it wasn’t BMW’s worse engine either (the current 2.0 Turbo may get that crown).

          Earlier Discos, and later ones (LR3, LR4), are fine. Keep in mind that these weren’t cheap to buy, and a lot of the web complaints come from second and third owners who stretched their finances without budgeting for upkeep.

          As with German cars, the standard US “used luxury” strategy doesn’t work with Rovers. You can’t buy them cheap and ignore them until something major/unavailable inevitably breaks. They need steady maintenance, which is a minus, but they will last for decades if you treat them right, which is a plus.

      • 0 avatar
        krhodes1

        If by “recent” you mean 10-15 years ago. Amusingly, the only Land Rover engine sold in the US up to 2002 was an ex-GM product – ye olde 1960s aluminum Buick V8. The next generation had the very worst engine BMW ever produced, their 4.4L V8. The Ford-influenced Jaguar motors used since have been pretty good. But ultimately, a high-end Land Rover is a very niche product, and suffers for that for the same reasons that a Ferrari will never be as reliable as a Corolla. Complexity, and Land Rover are just too small to do the sort of testing and quality control that a huge company can do to a simple high volume product.

        Plus the fact that they are “reliable enough”. Nobody who can afford one new really cares, and nobody who cares will buy one new. We used purchasers roll the dice and take our chances, but I have been quite pleased with my ’01 Range Rover HSE, considering it has 150K on it and I bought it for pocket change.

        • 0 avatar
          CoreyDL

          Isn’t BMW still using the 4.4 you mention in the X5 currently?

          • 0 avatar
            sportyaccordy

            I don’t think the current turbocharged 4.4L V8 and the old NA 4.4L V8 are related.

            In any case, that 4.4L/4.8L V8 was probably one of BMW’s worst engines ever, also paired up with one of their worst transmissions ever. Seriously, google “745i problems”. The results will make you wince.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            And here I thought the main issues those 745 models had was with electrics and iDrive.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          @krhodes1

          So yours is still running the ye olde Buick 215? Doesn’t such a thing have significant (positive?) impact in LR ownership?

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I think by that time they’d modified it quite a bit into their own complex thing, since the original was so old.

          • 0 avatar
            krhodes1

            The Buick 215’s beefier 4.6L Grandson, but yes. As someone else pointed out, the problem with them is that by the early 2000s, the tooling was just plain worn out. So the quality control was horrendous. If you got a good one, great, they are actually pretty OK. But the bad ones died young. And being an all-aluminum wet-liner engine they do not suffer abuse AT ALL. Be that lack of maintenance or any sort of overheating. Mine is about to hit 150K and keeps the overwhelming majority of it’s fluids in the appropriate places, so I figure I got a good one. I paid $75,000 less than the first owner did 15 years ago. Seems like a good deal.

            The BMW V8 is just a horror show of leaks and just plain miserable to work on. And that generation has even more goofy electronics to go wrong – the turn of the century was not the German’s finest hour in many respects. By ’01-02 Land Rover had gotten the electrics pretty much working in the Range Rover, baring stupidity like the underhood fuse panel and generally some bits being less robust than you would want. The next generation was much, much worse.

            But as I pointed out, a Range Rover is much like an off-road Ferrari – it’s a VERY low production, very expensive semi-exotic vehicle. Some parts of it are brilliant, some parts are simply crap. They will never be as reliable as a Toyota. The resources just aren’t there to make it happen, though Ford and TATA have worked miracles by dumping billions into the company.

            I own one because it is the only thing I could find that will tow a 6500lb boat and not completely suck to drive, for what little I want to spend on a boat towing winter beater 4×4. And I am VERY pleased with the purchase, it has exceeded my admittedly low expectations by a huge margin. If it blows up I will buy another one that looks just like it.

  • avatar
    RedRocket

    Once again the commentators at TTAC distinguish themselves by regurgitating the same old bile from 20 years ago and not having a frigging clue about the cars they are trashing. Maybe you should stuck to articles about the best coffee-can exhaust tips for 10 year-old Civics.

  • avatar

    I have come to believe that BMW resale value is due to two factors:

    1) Brand whoreage amongst the unwashed masses.

    2) A comprehensive maintenance and CPO program that ensures that any given Bimmer gets enough bailing wire and chewing gum to last through the initial lease period and 12 months of the initial new CPO term.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      Lawls on the MY09 328is. Some schmuck somewhere is going to get buried on one of these.

      02/26/16 NEVADA Regular $7,400 136,959 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
      03/17/16 SO CAL Regular $6,500 142,451 Below WHITE 6G A Yes
      03/10/16 PALM BCH Lease $5,200 143,631 Below BLACK 6G A Yes
      03/16/16 NJ Regular $7,000 152,237 Avg GRY 6G Yes
      03/01/16 RIVRSIDE Regular $7,100 160,445 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
      03/24/16 PHOENIX Lease $4,100 163,811 Below BLACK 6G A Yes
      03/11/16 SAN ANTO Regular $4,500 175,656 Below BLUE 6G Yes

      Hmmmm yet…

      MY09 BMW 750i

      03/18/16 ORLANDO Regular $19,700 79,190 Avg WHITE 8G A Yes
      03/10/16 PALM BCH Lease $17,600 79,190 Avg WHITE 8G A Yes
      03/09/16 CALIFORN Regular $16,500 86,648 Avg WHITE 8GT A Yes
      03/04/16 FT LAUD Regular $18,000 90,484 Avg WHITE 8G A Yes
      03/01/16 ST LOUIS Regular $17,400 90,864 Avg BLACK 8G A Yes
      03/24/16 RIVRSIDE Regular $18,995 93,807 Avg Black 8CY A Yes
      03/15/16 GEORGIA Regular $12,500 117,458 Below BLACK 8GT A Yes

      …aren’t these junk? Like more junky than the E90?

      • 0 avatar

        Sorry, I have come to understand through my experience that all BMWs are generally fancy European Pontiacs without the ease of service. They really fall apart in humiliating ways.

        I’ve never seen off-lease cars fail in-lane at an auction like BMWs do. 35k-mile three-year-old 3-Series pushed out of lane for no-start or electrical issues. Lane 23 at Manheim Orlando reeks of coolant and sadz.

      • 0 avatar
        krhodes1

        So what is a 7yo, below average condition high miles Camry worth at auction?

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          Off the cuff, 7Kish with high miles being in the 175 range. 10-12 in the 70K range depending on condition.

          The difference is the Camcord can withstand sh*tbag abuse whereas the E9x BMW apparently doesn’t fare as well. If one maintains it properly on recommended service intervals, most issues with them should be mitigated.

    • 0 avatar

      Thank you. That Free Scheduled Maintenance is cheap insurance that the CPO car will have seen at least two oil changes at a dealer and the second buyer won’t be back with sludge issues because lessor one realized an oil change is a waste of (his) money.

  • avatar
    Davekaybsc

    Dear Cadillac:

    The 2017 Buick Lacrosse looks nicer than the XTS. Why is that? Much, MUCH better gauge cluster. You designed one cluster to be used in the ATS, base CTS, and base XTS. Then you made it the cheapest looking, worst gauge cluster in the industry. Worse than a Chevy Cruze. Fire the person or persons who designed it. Today. Fire the person or persons who approved the design. Today.

    Much better looking center stack. The Lacrosse has buttons and switches. People like buttons and switches. They DO NOT like terrible looking slabs of black plastic touch buttons that don’t work. Ford learned their lesson, and they got rid of their crappy touch buttons in favor of real buttons in their cars mid-cycle updates. WHY has Cadillac not done this? WHY is that horrible gauge cluster STILL THERE, even after you’ve been beaten over the head with how bad it is in pretty much every ATS review? Why aren’t those non-functional touch slabs GONE? Ford managed it in the Fusion and Edge, why can’t you do it?

    Finally, the Lacrosse’s overall look is commensurate with its price. It competes very well with upper trim Avalons, Maximas, 300s, Cadenzas, etc.

    The CT6 look is not. Like every Cadillac in the last several years, everything is overstyled. Everything is style over substance. You’re so obsessed with angles and “V shapes” and flash and glitz that you forgot to make a car that actually looks NICE. That looks like it costs what it does.

    Mercedes in the last couple of years has absolutely nailed it. Other than the “floating” iPad displays that could be better integrated and have ridiculously huge bezels, Mercedes interior designs have been spectacular. The C-class, GLC, and the new E all look phenomenal on the inside, and look like they should cost MORE than they do. The new E in top level Designo trim looks like it costs double that of the CT6. I imagine based on past history that the next generation CLS interior will be even better, well past the BMW 6 and Audi A7 and comparable only to S-Class coupe and other ultra lux cars. Cadillac is not even on that planet.

    • 0 avatar
      tonycd

      +1, Dave. I don’t share DW’s anti-Caddy obsession, but I’d have to say your points are brutally accurate, in large part because you backed them with specifics.

    • 0 avatar
      mike978

      My issue with the new Lacrosse is that it has the exact same crease line over the rear wheels as the Impala. They should have differentiated more.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      Dave, to add salt into the wounds of its customers, Cadillac put that cheap-beyond-belief in the base trim versions of the NEW CADILLAC CT5 CUV that’s replacing the SRX.

      Seriously, how f’ing retarded is Cadillac management?

      (Rhetorical question)

      • 0 avatar
        RideHeight

        Now I know what’s long struck me about your war on Cadillac but previously remained illusive:

        You’re stuck in Kübler-Ross’s anger stage.

      • 0 avatar
        DeadWeight

        I meant XT5, replacing the SRX.

        Seriously – look at the dash, gauge cluster, etc:

        http://i2.wp.com/kbncofee.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/2017-Cadillac-XT5-driving-seat.PNG

        WTF!!!

        • 0 avatar
          Davekaybsc

          WOW. I had only seen the upper level gauge cluster in the XT5. That’s INSANE. I wasn’t kidding about the Chevy Cruze. The new Chevy Cruze has MUCH better looking gauges.

          What the hell is wrong with you Cadillac?

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            Honestly – and I’m not being sarcastic – the interior of the XT5 is worse than the outgoing SRX, IMO.

            http://kbncofee.com/2017-cadillac-xt5-specs-and-review/

            It really has more of a downscale give going on.

            The exterior is really hideous, too, with discordant angles, creases and bulbous appendages all over.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Lol DW, the English on that site. What the hell is that?

            “The truck back seems closer than they really are. When the parking lot, security cameras, indicated on the surround sound Panel-view monitor, indicate more precisely how much space I’m back XT5.”

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            It’s some sort of Burmese-Cannibal language translated to Engrish!

            Even Burmese-Cannibals make fun of Cadillac!!

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Sometimes you can type of a front, and when a back is there then you do a surrounding examination of the appearances and are not pleased or not displeased at xt5.

        • 0 avatar
          RedRocket

          Next time try linking to a website that (a) works and (b) uses understandable English. K?

          • 0 avatar
            sportyaccordy

            Those things are secondary to the content of the website feeding into DW’s narrative. It could be a spambot for all he cares, as long as it contains the keywords “CADILLAC” and “BAD”

  • avatar
    Maxb49

    GM needs to fire Johan de Nysschen, and that’s just the beginning. Although I hoped DeadWeight would be wrong about Cadillac (I wanted to see an American company do well), the plain truth is every one of his criticisms about the product and its business strategy is spot on. General Motors is headed for disaster.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      Cadillac, no doubt but on what basis is GM as a whole heading for disaster? Do you perhaps argue a Cadillac failure could put the rest of the company in fiscal harm?

      • 0 avatar
        Maxb49

        “Do you perhaps argue a Cadillac failure could put the rest of the company in fiscal harm?”

        Yes, I believe GM’s Cadillac strategy incorporated a moderately high level of risk exposure for the company. I can see where reasonably minds could differ.

        • 0 avatar
          Maxb49

          General Motors does a few things really well, as well or perhaps better than any other presently-existing automaker. They are the world’s premier engine maker. It is hard to argue against the LS architecture for cars or trucks. They make fantastic turbocharged four cylinders as well and their current V6 engine family is unmatched anywhere. Except for a small market segment, people don’t buy engines. If that were the case, GM factories everywhere would produce big block Chevys and their old 71 series Detroit Diesels (again, arguably the best designed diesel engine in history). People buy cars as a package. I think that automakers have overstated the case for a lot of these CUVs and small market segment cars. I think they have once again committed themselves to too many models in particular, just like the old GM did between the 1970s and 2008. GM could probably increase their profitability and brand equity by shaving down their vehicle portfolio and focusing on the vehicles that they do a fantastic job making.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            GM makes good automatic transmissions and they’ve pushed the mass-produced pushrod V8 to levels of power, efficiency & durability that few others have.

            Those are 2 nice things I’ve said about the hopelessly incompetent, clueless, inefficient, bloated carcass that is still General Motors, even after a taxpayer-subsidized, shedding-of-debt-and-legacy-costs bailout.

            GM, a giant, bloated,wobbly, Titanic with a huge iceberg always ahead, while incompetent management is furiously over-compensating themselves while underlings reshuffle the deck chairs.

          • 0 avatar
            nickoo

            No way. Cummings I-6s in the RAMs are the best automotive diesel in history.

            I know more people than I can count on 2 hands that bought RAMs just for their diesels while the rest of the truck fell apart around it.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          I agree depending on the amount of money, it could pose a threat however I could point to the example of Oldsmobile. GM somehow was able to wind it down long before the bailout and I presume through settlement, shutter the dealers. If it got to the point where Cadillac lost X billion annually, I don’t see why the same methods cannot be utilized again. Although if it were up to me, I would use those methods to trim 1/3-2/3rd of dealers, fire the SoHo office entirely, and simply spin up truly gauche models using cheap and reliable GM drivetrains. No turbo, no V6, no volume model, nothing bespoke, nothing overstyled. Cheap LS motors and maybe four models brimming with truly refined materials. Do that for a spell and try to remain profitable, if not then this too would go the way of the dodo.

  • avatar
    Gardiner Westbound

    I checked the Southern Ontario Internet listings for used late model Cadillacs. For what it’s worth, about 80% of them are former daily rentals. That can’t be doing anything positive for the brand’s image or resale value.

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    This could be an article in and of itself. When Bentley and Rolls Royce finally split in 2002, both new parent companies took Rolls Royce and Bentley in new directions. While BMW rebuilt Rolls Royce primarily on the new Phantom, VAG continued production of the Arnage, a 1998 platform which was also previously the RR Silver Seraph. The new entry from VAG was the Continental GT based on VAG D1 platform (the Phaeton) and Bentley keep production of the Arnage until 2009.

    Today Bentley examples from the 2005 model year can be purchased for relatively reasonable sums.

    MY05 Bentley Continental GT Coupe V12

    03/23/16 PALM BCH Regular $53,500 16,111 Above BLACK 12G A Yes
    03/23/16 PALM BCH Regular $44,500 16,977 Avg GRAY 12G A Yes
    03/24/16 PALM BCH Regular $53,000 17,113 Above WHITE 12G A Yes
    02/25/16 PALM BCH Regular $47,200 20,791 Avg SILVER 12G A Yes
    03/09/16 NJ Regular $48,500 23,036 Avg SILVER 12G A Yes
    03/09/16 ORLANDO Regular $44,000 25,594 Avg GREY 12G A Yes
    02/25/16 PALM BCH Regular $50,000 26,031 Avg BLUE 12G A Yes
    03/09/16 NJ Regular $49,500 29,883 Avg BLUE 12G A Yes
    02/24/16 PALM BCH Regular $44,500 31,148 Avg GRAY 12G A Yes
    03/24/16 PALM BCH Regular $46,400 34,475 Avg BLACK 12G A Yes
    03/09/16 DIGITAL Regular $47,000 47,300 Avg Gray 12G N Yes
    03/10/16 RIVRSIDE Regular $44,500 48,237 Avg SILVER 12G A Yes
    03/09/16 CALIFORN Regular $33,500 110,266 Below GRAY 12G A Yes
    03/17/16 PA Regular $37,000 139,712 Below WHITE 12G P No

    MY05 Bentley Arnage “R” V8

    03/27/14 RIVRSIDE Regular $41,000 62,880 Avg BLUE 8G No
    11/07/14 PA Regular $45,000 19,608 Avg BLACK 8G A No
    02/04/15 ATLANTA Regular $43,000 23,731 Avg BLACK 8G A No

    However the BMW sourced Rolls Royce Phantom…

    MY05 Rolls Royce Phantom V12

    02/12/15 RIVRSIDE Regular $114,000 13,355 Avg GREY 12G A No
    12/18/14 RIVRSIDE Regular $121,500 19,536 Avg SILVER 12G A No
    12/03/15 RIVRSIDE Regular $99,000 23,932 Avg SILVER 12G A No
    02/11/16 RIVRSIDE Regular $96,000 24,252 Avg GREY 12G A No
    07/02/15 RIVRSIDE Regular $107,000 30,441 Avg SILVER 12G A No
    08/27/15 RIVRSIDE Regular $106,000 31,284 Avg SILVER 12G A No
    09/26/14 PA Regular $121,250 34,985 Avg BLACK 12G A No
    04/10/14 RIVRSIDE Regular $129,000 37,484 Avg WHITE 12G A No
    03/04/15 ATLANTA Regular $109,000 41,168 Avg SILVER 12G A No
    11/19/15 RIVRSIDE Regular $82,000 46,730 Avg PURPLE 12G A No
    02/26/15 PALM BCH Regular $104,000 52,912 Avg BLUE 12G A No
    04/24/14 ST PETE Regular $122,000 55,700 Avg 12G No
    11/19/15 RIVRSIDE Regular $75,000 82,945 Avg SILVER 12G A No

    What’s interesting here is the Arnage. One can argue the VAG D1 platform is junk therefore anything riding on it will resell poorly, that’s fine. However the Arnage is the last of the pre buyout Vickers platforms, so its VAG content will be kept to more of a minimum. In fact: “Bentley Motors Limited under Volkswagen ownership continued to use highly modified versions of the L Series on its Bentley Arnage, Bentley Brooklands and Bentley Mulsanne models, with VAG W-12 engines being used in its Bentley Flying Spur and Bentley Continental models.”. Yet, it fares poorly while the BMW 7 series sourced Phantom still commands an around $100,000 valuation.

    Why is this? Could this simply be an example of the VAG effect?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_%E2%80%93_Bentley_L_Series_V8_engine

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      A ten year old Bentley?

      Daring. Foolish…but daring.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        Dare greatly…

      • 0 avatar
        CoreyDL

        I just love the Arnage. It’s so many things the Phantom isn’t.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          The Arnage is the last gasp of the sort of old Rolls Royce company (which technically ended in the Vickers acquisition in 1980, after having been nationalized).

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            The Seraph works as well, though it never got the power of the Arnage. I think I’d have a hard time choosing, on account of the added stateliness of the Seraph. Though the Arnage is available with several more model years, and will look less poncy about town. Eh who cares, either is going to look poncy. Have the Rolls.

            http://www.carsbase.com/photo/Rolls_Royce-Silver_Seraph_mp44_pic_82900.jpg

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            The Silver Seraph ran the BMW V12 and the Arnage ran a Cosworth engineered variant of the BMW 4.4 V8 until 2002. For MY03, with Bentley a full VAG subsidiary and the BMW deal expired, the Arnage switched back to ye olde RR “L” 6.75 V8 mated to Government Motor’s own 4L80-E.

            “During the takeover battle in 1998 between BMW and Volkswagen Group for ownership of Rolls Royce and Bentley Motors, BMW had threatened to stop supply of their engines if Volkswagen Group won. While the threat was later withdrawn in conjunction with BMW acquiring the right to manufacture the Rolls Royce marque at a new location, it was clear that Volkswagen could not accept the business and reputation risks associated with having their rival as a long-term business partner.[2] Furthermore, customers were nervous about engine and part availability (of which there turned out to be no issue) and orders for new cars dropped precipitously.[3] Volkswagen’s response was to prepare the old pushrod 6.75 litre 16 valve engine from the Turbo R for the Arnage, designed for the lighter and smaller BMW 32 valve V8 unit. Coupled with an outdated 4-speed automatic, the engine was extremely thirsty, and would not meet government-imposed emissions standards without hasty modifications.[2]”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bentley_Arnage

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Well crap, I don’t think too highly of the V12 from the 8-Series. So I suppose Arnage 6.75 it be.

    • 0 avatar
      brenschluss

      Ghost is based on the 7-series, Phantom is bespoke.

  • avatar
    nickoo

    So wait…Are you saying I can find a 3 year old off lease Cadillac for 46% MSRP? That doesn’t seem realistic to me.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      This is the estimated valuation, depending on demand and armed with this information, you may be able to swing something around this. If these models don’t bomb, the dealer or remarketer may be less willing to deal at an accurate price.

    • 0 avatar
      seanx37

      Ummm…probably less around here in the Detroit area. Certainly less for a XTS.

  • avatar
    balreadysaid

    Put Cadillac next to the chevy on the showrooms. Buick GMC dealers have a hard enough time they usually add in a jap car brand to draw more people. Chevy dealers are busy all day with diverse sales of cars to commercial trucks. Cadilac would fit nicely between a camaro and a vette.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      GMC is to Buick dealerships what Escalade is to Cadillac dealerships.

      Neither former could LITERALLY stay open without the latter.

      When the downturn in the auto cycle turns up, and the upturn is now running long in the tooth, both Buick and Cadillac dealerships are going to be more empty than most other branded dealerships.

  • avatar
    Big Al From 'Murica

    Dare Greatly

  • avatar

    Just completed the process, so found many, many CTS in the 19-25k window, most off lease. New, close to $50k, just three-four years ago. The Germans and Infiniti keep values longer. The Caddy buyers are old school, trade every three types…more dealer maintained than most brands…the dealers get a lot more churn than other brands, I think…. A lot of these cars are in the 30k mile range-not a lot on the odo compared to lots of other cars I have shopped.

    You *can* get a $20k ATS but it has that small four. The ATS has no back seat, and I own an e46. The problem with the ATS is that we don’t have taxes based on size here, so the ATS just ends up small for no reason.

    I’m generally not fond of GM’s mass market portfolio, especially having just left the NY Auto show, but an off lease Caddy is a great second hand buy, and looks to remain that way !

  • avatar
    kmars2009

    After decades of building junk, they can’t understand why? PLEASE! They need a reality check.

  • avatar
    tomLU86

    LTD1983 got it right!

    Cadillacs should be big and powerful!

    CT6: Does yours have the 4 or 6-cyl? What a bad name to saddle a great car with

  • avatar
    fvfvsix

    Just about all the comments here have hit the nail on the head. Cadillac isn’t making Cadillacs. I would totally plunk down $60K-$70K for a real ‘lac. At the moment, the Escalade is the only one that embodies the brand’s meaning to most Americans. What they really need right now is a fantastic 3-row Durango-sized ute with a longitudinally mounted small block V8. Make it tow at least 6K, and make it give an X5 a run for its quarter mile time. They’ll sell tons.

    Then, refresh the CT6 lineup with a world-class interior, plush ride, and an LS motor. Give the ATS a back seat. Make the turbo 6 the smallest engine you offer for any car. That will differentiate Cadi’s lineup from its competitors in a good way.

    Unfortunately, after getting a peek into “old” GM, I just don’t think the company has what it takes anymore. Most of the people making the decisions really don’t care about cars, and that’s sad.


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