By on November 2, 2015

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Cadillac announced Monday that deliveries of its 2016 Cadillac Touring 6 sedan — or CT6 — will begin in March with a starting price of $54,490 when equipped with a 2-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine.

The new top-of-the-range Cadillac sedan will also be available with a 3.6-liter V-6 paired with all-wheel drive and a $56,490 price tag or Cadillac’s new 3-liter twin-turbocharged V-6 sporting all-wheel drive and a $65,390 MSRP. A crème de la crème CT6 Platinum will sticker for $84,460.

All CT6s will send power to the wheels via an eight-speed automatic transmission and all prices include a $995 destination fee because you’re definitely paying that.

But what of the CTS?

At the bottom end of the pricing ladder, the CTS and CT6 are split by nearly $8,000 — $54,490 vs. $46,555.

However, as soon as you upgrade from the 2-liter turbo to the 3.6-liter V-6 with all-wheel drive, the House of Cadillac gets mighty crowded. The CT6 will sticker for a whopping $210 more than the CTS when equipped with the same engine and driveline configuration. The 2016 CTS 3.6-liter V-6 AWD is on sale now for $56,280 including its $995 destination fee.

The pricing overlap might hurt sales of CTS models equipped with the mid-level engine offering, and that’s on top of its flagging sales position in a market where the majority of growth is in crossovers and SUVs.

Only 31,115 CTS sedans found homes last year in the United States, according to GoodCarBadCar, well off the model’s 2005 peak of 61,512 units sold. Sales of the CTS took a dive in 2013 when a much larger model debuted for the 2014 model year following the introduction of the smaller ATS in 2012.

Order books for the CT6 open today.

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121 Comments on “Cadillac Gives Us Another Reason to Not Buy a CTS...”


  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    “The new top-of-the-range Cadillac sedan will also be available with a 3.6-liter V-6 paired with all-wheel drive and a $56,490”

    Logic prevails and mind is blown.

    Has someone in SoHo been reading TTAC?

    • 0 avatar
      bball40dtw

      This means they will probably have to drop the price of the CTS V6, which I have been saying since the introduction of the Alpha CTS. It also means that Lincoln shouldn’t price the Conti higher than that.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        Cadillac would be wise to slowly lower their pricing without fanfare and then reduce incentives accordingly. Time to turn things around.

        Additional: The reason for the sanity in pricing might be that Lincoln is coming to the party with a real entry. I realize Cadillac to this point has been a fantasy world where they somehow can compete with Mercedes on luxury but Cadillac’s real competition is and always will be Lincoln. If FoMoCo were to come in with this level of pricing and CT6 already be priced 15K more, the CT6 would have been screwed.

      • 0 avatar
        CoreyDL

        I think Lincoln will end up aiming a bit too high with the Conti and price it higher than the CT6.

        Also agree the CTS has been overpriced for about the past 6 years.

        • 0 avatar
          bball40dtw

          We’ll have to see if they are up to task with the interior materials. That’s where they have to win.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Indeed. I don’t want one single Focus or Explorer switch in that vehicle. The pics so far look good, save for the saddle bags behind the front seats, which hopefully are optional.

      • 0 avatar
        bd2

        More likely there will be deeper discounts on the V6 CTS – but with the CTS and ATS replacements, Cadillac will be revamping their size (interior space)/pricing points.

    • 0 avatar
      Lorenzo

      Only $2,000 extra for a V6 and AWD? Doesn’t anybody at GM know how to market cars?

      As for the CTS, it’s now the loss leader, entry level model once the price goes down. That’s the old naming convention anyway, so sell it cheap with cash on the hood to get rid of inventory.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        Cadillac and Lincoln play games with the models for whatever reason. There shouldn’t even be an I4 offered in this, the CTS, or the Lincoln Zephyr unless its a hybrid. The only things I can think of other than some kind of marketeer’s Jedi mind trick is compliance with fedgov. Yes we offer a four cylinder in X model, we can’t help the take rate is 10%.

        • 0 avatar
          bball40dtw

          The four cylinder versions exist because of CAFE and people that lease. Get that lease price low!

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            The four cylinder versions exist because of China and its displacement taxes. If this car had been developed only for the US market then the NA 3.6 would have been the base engine.

            With these prices, US customers aren’t going to buy the four anyway. The lease difference will be $15 a month.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            I was referring to the CTS and ATS. The monthly lease payment can be way higher for the V6. Going from the 2.5L to the 3.6L in the ATS or 2.0T to 3.6L in the CTS can add over $100/month. You are talking about $8000+ in price difference.

          • 0 avatar
            bd2

            Also exists to keep the price low enough for XTS owners who care more about interior space than power (hence, the CTS with its limited room not being appealing).

        • 0 avatar
          CoreyDL

          4-cyl for fleet use?

  • avatar
    sportyaccordy

    I am eating out of an industrial sized vat of popcorn.

    Johan will be go-hone by the end of 2016.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      I disagree on what I think is your implication of JdN’s departure. This gives the CT6 a reasonable chance of mild success and if its JdN who came up with it then kudos to him. Now he might leave simply because he convinced someone else he is brilliant and gets a bump, but I don’t see him being forced out over this.

      • 0 avatar
        sportyaccordy

        Giving the CT6 a chance at success by cannibalizing the ATS and CTS doesn’t seem like a good idea to me. There doesn’t seem to be a long term strategy, and in the interim customers will be confused.

        Tremendous shame, as the CTS is really nice! ATS needs some finishing but has potential. All the while, as Caddy loses volume, its competitors are all rolling and cashing out on what the market actually wants- small CUVs. But I’m not going to harp on that.

        • 0 avatar
          CoreyDL

          Hmm, so do you think they’ll:

          1) Cancel the ATS, and change the name of a new CTS to be CT4?

          2) Or merge the ATS and CTS into something just a bit smaller than the CTS, to become the CT4?

          When we’re talking the year 2015 and luxury prices like they slap on the ATS, “It needs finishing school.” isn’t an appropriate exception to give a car. BMW brings their game, and so does Mercedes with the C. The IS seems to be doing well also, as long as it’s got a bigger engine and not the 2.5. I don’t like the styling of the Q50, but people seem to be buying them.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          “Giving the CT6 a chance at success by cannibalizing the ATS and CTS doesn’t seem like a good idea to me”

          Neither Alpha model has been a success, if this one can be so be it.

        • 0 avatar
          bd2

          Any cannibalization would only be for the time being as Cadillac has plans to re-position the size (interior space) and pricing of the CTS and ATS replacements.

          The previous regime at Cadillac really screwed the pooch by making the ATS and CTS have cramped interior space compared to the German competition and be priced too similarly (while less expensive than the BMW and MB counterparts, not enough when taking into account the interior space).

          Also, the previous regime messed up by not making the Alpha platform suitable for CUV duty – which is why we are not going to see a compact and midsize RWD crossovers from Cadillac until after the ATS and CTS replacements.

          With the CT6, JdN is doing what Cadillac should have done at the start – offer sporty sedans that are comparable in interior space (if not class leading) but at a lower price-point.

          • 0 avatar
            slice2003

            Are the ATS and CTS moving to a new platform that will allow for CUV variants, thereby leaving the Alpha platform? That sounds rather expensive???

  • avatar
    PrincipalDan

    All freaking overpriced.

    $50K+ for the turbo 4?

    Give me a CPO XTS, at least it is the world’s nicest Impala.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      Nobody will be buying it when the V6 is 2K more.

    • 0 avatar
      hubcap

      Forget the XTS. I’ll take a Royal Peacock Green SS with the 6mt.

      • 0 avatar
        PrincipalDan

        @hubcap, ah but you have stated another reason that THE SS MUST DIE!

        Even if the factory wasn’t closing, GM bean-counters would have to kill it.

        • 0 avatar
          davefromcalgary

          My parents had an XTS as a rental recently. Its a great Cadillac in that it just a big, comfy, relaxed car, just like my dad likes. (He of the many Olds and Buicks)

          However, it just cemented what I feel about Cadillac. All other merits are erased by the inferior interior user interface. CUE can suck it.

          I’d conisider one of these heavily discounted Caddies, if they had decent controls.

      • 0 avatar
        CoreyDL

        If the SS had a decent interior rather than dated G8 hangover, it might be a worthy competitor.

        But it’s not – so the SS is for old men Chevy enthusiasts to park next to the SSR and not drive it.

        • 0 avatar
          hubcap

          “If the SS had a decent interior rather than dated G8 hangover, it might be a worthy competitor.”

          Some horses eat alfalfa others prefer fescue.

          I have no problems with the SS interior so it wouldn’t prevent me from owning one.

          If it’s a show stopper for you, so be it. Having a choice is one of the better things in life.

          For the others, just ask Conan (the rowdy one).

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Right, but you compared it to a luxury vehicle – the XTS. If you don’t want to consider interior materials, don’t point it out in comparison to a luxury car.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            “Right, but you compared it to a luxury vehicle – the XTS”

            “XTS” and “luxury” in the same sentence makes me lawl.

            The 2012 Subaru Legacy I was in yesterday is on the same level of “luxury”. Think about it; leather, heated seats, soft touch doors and dash, moonroof, AWD, 8 speaker sound, CD/aux, climate control, heated seats, trip computer, and special bonus: a real dash. Hell the only thing you lose in the Legacy at that time is a V6/V8, that’s it.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I was comparing at least what I’ve seen of the XTS interior versus the SS interior, plus recalling how SOMEONE always says the XTS interior is so brilliant.

            Don’t forget, you can have a V6 Legacy! It’s just a bad choice.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            H6, not V6.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Subaru_engines

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Everyone just needs to remember that if it’s got 6 cylinders, I type V6. I’m always going to be wrong on the H or I instances, but mostly I’ll be correct. :D

          • 0 avatar
            davefromcalgary

            28, I agree that the concept of luxury has become somewhat fluid when you can get more toys in a LUX package Kia Forte 5 than the XTS, or pretty much any Buick (such as cooled seats).

            However, based on my experiences, the one thing that Buick and Caddie have going for them is that mark of solidity, quiet and isolation. The doors close with a solid, muted thud, no rattles, and they are quiet and feel composed and serene going down the road.

            I know I am basically a GM fanboy, but I genuinely believe this is something that GM does well in these marques. Especially when you look at the Verano and its pedestrian roots, its the best feature of the car.

          • 0 avatar
            davefromcalgary

            Yup, I’d buy an SS in a heartbeat (see what I did there?). The interior is perfectly fine for me.

            As we are discovering, Corey’s standards are just too damn high.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I shall correct my standards, and drive for the rest of my life behind the wheel of an 87 Celebrity.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I think “luxury” has been rewritten in the past fifteen years for that reason. Why should I buy a Cadillac over a Buick or Chevrolet? A Lincoln over a Ford? A Chrysler over a Dodge? A German marque over a Japanese big three one, or a Japanese luxury one over a Hyundai? I think every marque has tried something, from the idea of “prestige”, to certain special options on the luxury marque, to RWD being available on the luxury marque vs the plebeian one, to special styling on the luxury one, or the one I despise which is holding back engine choices on the plebeian marque to force you into the luxury one (Ford comes to mind).

            What is luxury in 2015?

            @Corey

            You should be so lucky.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            Ford says, “No Cyclone engine in the Fusion!” and it makes 28CL angry.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            *Shakes my fist*

          • 0 avatar
            tjh8402

            @Davefromcalgary, CorelyDL, 28-cars-later, et al:

            I think luxury has been redefined from two factors. First, downmarket cars have gotten dramatically better, both in their features and driving experiences. Hard to consider them penalty boxes as much anymore. It’s not become more about the badge and that dealer experience. Dealers have espresso bars, free food, and comfy waiting areas that might as well be the lobby of a high end resort. The local Lexus dealer here in Orlando makes it where you don’t even have to come in. If you’re within a certain mileage radius, when your car needs service, they deliver the loaner to you and pick up your car, and reverse when the process is done. Here I think the Cadillac moves towards becoming more of a lifestyle brand are in line. I think it explains a key difference between Lincoln and Lexus. People criticize Lincoln for mostly selling rebadged Fords, but Lexus’s beat and butter vehicles are, and have been for a decade and a half since the RX300 came out, platform mates of Toyota products. The difference is that the Lexus brand and experience are things people are willing to pay a premium for; Lincoln has yet to build up that sort of brand equity in both their name as well as the ownership experience.

            The other factor is that the previous delineations and classifications in the luxury market have broken down due to size and (lack of emphasis on) sportiness. In the past, a 3 series/C class/A4 was generally considered the sportiest most fun to drive in it’s respective lineups, but not necessarily luxurious and not really big enough to be considered a family car. The 5 series/Eclass/A6 was the grown up mature car, big enough to be a family vehicle (or make for a social night out with other adults), but still fun to drive with a hint of sport; most definitely not a luxobarge which was the provenance of the Deville/Town Car on the bottom end and 7 series/S class/A8 on the top. They were big, comfy, luxurious, with (exception of the e38 7 series), little inclination towards being sports sedans.

            Today, that above hierarchy is largely thrown off. The F30 3 series is the same size as an E39 5 series, making it about as practical. The F10 is as heavy, if not heavier, than a e38 7 series. No one is trying to be sporty or show much performance orientation. Everyone is making overpowered silent numb isolated barges for deploying the latest in gadgetry. At that point, it’s just a matter of how big you want that boat to be.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Good points, so you argue the dealer/brand experience is what sets things apart and also the fact vehicle classes have changed?

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I would generally agree with these assertions. The dealer perception and experience is very important. Lexus understands this, Lincoln and Acura do not. They lack dedicated buildings/showrooms, and often share with the a lesser marque in the same very room – in this instance Ford or perhaps Hyundai.

            Very right about the car class nature expanding and changing also. In 1975, there was a PLC and a medium or large sedan as luxury. This was true at Buick and at Bentley. Now, there are many classes and sizes which qualify, and are more generally available to people of lower income (think CLA).

            Sincerely,

            Corely

          • 0 avatar
            tjh8402

            @ 28 cars later – Yes I would say so. I also forgot to mention and didn’t think about the impact of another burgeoning high dollar segment that is surely affecting this – luxury pickups and SUVs, even those sold by mainstream brands. I remembered it when commenting on the issue of whether a 4 cylinder belongs in a $50k car, and commenting that I though the Chrysler 300C has an engine which is appropriate to its class, then remember it’s actually a pickup truck engine. Recall this story from last year:

            https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/12/trucks-suvs-best-premium-sedans-50k-us-segment/

            These were the best selling vehicles over $50k:
            1. Ford F-Series
            2. Ram Pickup
            3. Mercedes Benz E-Class
            4. Chevrolet Tahoe
            5. Chevrolet Silverado
            6. BMW 5-Series
            7. Chevrolet Suburban
            8. Mercedes Benz M-Class
            9. BMW X5
            10. GMC Sierra

            adjusting for inflation, $50k in 2015 was about $40k in 2005 and $35k in 2000. I doubt the list would’ve looked the same in those years.

          • 0 avatar

            Here in CT the Acura dealers are separate stores. Oddly enough our local Lexus dealer shares a lot with an Audi dealer

    • 0 avatar
      Zackman

      “Give me a CPO XTS, at least it is the world’s nicest Impala.”

      Mr. Principal, that made my ears perk up! Hmmm…

    • 0 avatar
      APaGttH

      …$50K+ for the turbo 4…

      The meme that turbo 4’s don’t belong in $50K+ luxury/near luxury cars is long dead. Mercedes, Alfa, BMW, Jaguar, Audi, and Lexus clearly have not gotten that memo.

      Heck, you can send a 5-series to over $80K with options and still have a 4-pot turbo under the hood.

      Base price versus a few options is an exercise in being pedantic where the Euro makes make a number of no-brainer luxury features “optional,” to juice an attractive lease special package.

      BMW 320 anyone?

    • 0 avatar
      bd2

      A T4 5 Series isn’t that much cheaper and it’s a size segment down.

  • avatar
    PRNDLOL

    I wonder how the criss-crossing MSRPs line up against BMW’s 5 and 7 series, because that’s what the CTS and CT6 are aligned against. People sit in rooms for weeks tweaking trim levels and options set pricing to the most minute detail so this was obviously deliberate on Cadillac’s part.

  • avatar
    carguy

    Since both the CTS and ATS no longer feature on Cadillac’s roadmap, this makes sense. The CT6 is what the CTS should have always been and will eventually replace it. The next step will be a more sensibly sized CT4 to replace the too-small ATS and as well as a new CT8 flagship.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      Yep. This, exactly.

    • 0 avatar
      CoreyDL

      ATS too small, and too expensive.
      CTS too small, and too expensive.
      CT6 is where Cadillac sedan sizes should start, and employ V6+ only! Price is steep at the Platinum end for a V6. $84,000? I’m sorry, S7 or A8L.

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        There’s plenty of room for one sedan (but not two) below CT6, which is quite a big car. I think that’s where they’re going — carguy got it right. But until they get there, their sedan lineup is going to be awkward.

    • 0 avatar
      sportyaccordy

      Ha ha

      So in other words, the old CTS/STS setup Caddy had all along? Lol. I agree with you, but I just think it’s so silly how Caddy screwed up a good thing. The previous CTS was good. The current one is good too, but not good enough to compete directly with the Germans. Caddy has to be content with being a store brand and not a name brand.

      • 0 avatar
        carguy

        @sportyaccordy: You’re spot on. The old CTS was an in between size 3/5 series and C/E class. That was a big part of its success and GM screwed it up by making cars actually smaller than their German competitors but tried to charge the same money for them. To no ones surprise, that was not a formula for success.

        Let’s hope they have learned their lesson and that the new CT4 will be bigger than the 3 series and C class.

  • avatar
    WhiskeyRiver

    It’s not a crossover and therefore doomed. There’s a double whammy here as it has no trailer hitch.

    • 0 avatar
      bunkie

      I have a trailer hitch on my CTS. Of course, I had to add it. And, also, it’s a wagon, so it doesn’t seem so out of place.

    • 0 avatar
      VenomV12

      That’s the God’s honest truth though, I use my crossover so much it is invaluable, it is making sedans obsolete. I have towed with it several times this year, it sits up nice and high, I just went to IKEA yesterday and brought home some chairs for my brother, my backseats recline and I can seat two extra people in the third row if I want or fold the seats down for extra storage if I don’t need them. The sedan is dead, it just doesn’t know it yet.

  • avatar
    Ion

    I’m confused about the size of the thing. It’s supposed to be a full size right? So it’s competively priced then. Unless it’s a midsize then I can get an e400 for a grand or two less.

    The name has to go. Regardless of size it will be confused with the CTS. Who approved this? I realize DTS and STS were used but how about FTS or ETS, how hard can it be to borrow the first initial from an old cadillac nameplate

  • avatar
    tylermattikow

    I’m imagining the 4 cylinder is really targeted at the livery fleet (Uber Black) and the Chinese market, while private owners will go with AWD V6’s.

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    “$54,490 when equipped with a 2-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine.”

    Lawl. You Cadillac execs make me laugh.

    • 0 avatar
      tjh8402

      Right on top of BMW. A RWD 528i starts at $50k. 2.0t I-4 engine, No leather, no sat radio, non metallic paint. I had one as a rental one time. Incredibly boring machine. the nicest Toyota Camry I’d ever driven was my conclusion.

      • 0 avatar
        CoreyDL

        However, the V6 version WILL be cheaper then compared to how much you must spend to get a 525 V6 (whatever number that is, probably 589i).

        • 0 avatar
          CJinSD

          The only nice thing that can still be said about BMW is that they don’t make V6s. The 535i comes with an inline 6, even if it is a disposable turbocharged one.

        • 0 avatar
          tjh8402

          @Corey DL – I was just addressing the idea that it’s somehow laughable to think people would pay $54k for a 2.0t I-4 powered sedan. I did a price comparison with the various models of the 5 series and E class a little further down.

          • 0 avatar
            CJinSD

            I think people that pay $54K for a 2.0t I-4 powered sedan are laughable, at least in terms of their ability to assess automobiles.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            You’re right. It makes me sad to see 50,000+ on the window, and have a 4-cyl in there. It ain’t right, I tell ya.

          • 0 avatar
            tjh8402

            @CoreyDL – I’m with you on the inappropriateness of a 4 cylinder in a $50k car. I would never pay that. If I wanted a new Luxury car under $60k, I’d get a hemi Chrysler 300C. They are quite posh inside, ride nice, are very spacious, and have the sort of engine I expect in a car like this.

    • 0 avatar
      tekdemon

      If it’s reasonably well equipped I can see the V6 AWD model being fairly well priced for this size but frankly the only thing that really matters in terms of getting these to move is how much the lease is going to cost. If they’re not subsidizing the hell out of the money factor and providing high residuals nobody is going to lease these.

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    Oh, had my first ride in an Escalade on my ride from hotel to airport in Phoenix. Color me quite unimpressed. My 97 Impreza Wagon had a nicer ride.

    • 0 avatar
      bball40dtw

      They are pretty bumpy in the back. Magnetic Ride Control can’t hide the fact that it has a solid rear axle.

      • 0 avatar
        Drzhivago138

        Why does GM insist on continuing use of an SRA in its SUV’s?

        • 0 avatar
          bball40dtw

          Because it’s cheap, they sell a ton, and nobody seems to care.

          I understand why they would want the Tahoe to have an SRA. They sell a ton to police and other fleets that like the durability and lower cost. I’m sure they could figure out some sort of IRS for the Escalade though. But if no one demands it, they won’t do it.

          • 0 avatar
            Drzhivago138

            I can understand some of the advantages of a SRA, but I should think they’d at least have an IRS option. All I could think of when looking at our rental Tahoe’s back seat (on the floor) and seeing the load floor at waist level was, “I wish we had an Expedition.”

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Raises production costs and creates an unneeded step in production of one model of the three iterations of the platform. Enjoy it prole, if you wanted a luxurious ride you should’ve bought elsewhere.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Now I need to ride in the back of a Navigator to see how much better it is.

            Or an 04 Montero, ha.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            Corey-

            When I take my MkT in for service at 70K miles, they’ll give me a Navigator as a rental/loaner. I should keep it an extra day and drive you around. They’ll just charge me $60 or something.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I accept! I can talk to your wife while you drive about the merits of a Navigator versus the MKT.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            She sometimes gets car sick when sitting in the back of cars, so maybe she can drive us to various drinking establishments while we sit in 1999 American luxury that was revised for 2015.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Where are these drinking establishments located and when is this taking place by chance?

          • 0 avatar
            Carlson Fan

            “Because it’s cheap, they sell a ton, and nobody seems to care.”

            I just put shocks in back and struts up front with the electronic dampening plus a new air compressor in our LTZ Tahoe. Trust me there is nothing cheap about that suspension. But boy does that truck drive tight now. Over 8 years old w/120K mikes and it still drives and rides like a new vehicle.

            For those of us that sometimes saddle the hitch with 400 lbs. of tongue weight when towing, nothing can beat the load leveling, SRA suspension on that ‘Hoe.

            As for the 3rd row seats, they’re for kids and my oldest(10) never complains about riding back there. Even driving all day when coming home from the Black Hills.

            Oh and your correct. For a big ole tank BOF SUV the GM trucks ride great, that’s why no-one cares.

            This is a caddy thread, why are we talking about SUVs?….LOL

        • 0 avatar
          PrincipalDan

          Why SRA for GM?

          Because B&B Commenter HUMMER likes it, therefore he can continue to mock Fords as being “wussy” because they don’t have SRA and 6+ ltr V8s.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            He’d prefer both axles to be solid and the availability of the GM 8.1L V8 in his Tahoe.

          • 0 avatar
            Carlson Fan

            “He’d prefer both axles to be solid and the availability of the GM 8.1L V8 in his Tahoe.”

            How about that 4 cylinder D-max out of the Colorado in a ‘Hoe, now that would be cool!

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            Hummer will accept a V8 diesel. Maybe a V6. Probably not though.

        • 0 avatar
          bd2

          B/c it’s an SUV.

          If you want something with a more compliant ride, wait until the Omega-based large crossover is launched.

  • avatar
    tjh8402

    How does this compare size wise to a 5 series or an E class (I thought the CTS was up against those)? It is priced right on top of them. As noted above, the 2.0t is in line with a 528. a 535ix is $58k, or $2k more than the XT6 3.6 AWD, and the 550ix is $68.6k, or $3k more than the Caddy. E class is similar. E250 Bluetech is $52.6k, E350 4matic is $55k, and E400 4matic is $65.6 (despite being down 70 hp to the Caddy 3.0T V6 and 110hp to the 550). I haven’t compared options, but knowing the Germans, all these cars will be pretty bare bones.

  • avatar
    Geekcarlover

    Maybe I’m just old, but “Cadillac” and “4 cylinder” in the same sentence seems wrong.

  • avatar
    Lorenzo

    Would you settle for the GM 2.8L V6 they put in the Celebrity/Citation X-11?

  • avatar
    Moparmann

    @Geekcarlover: +1, my thoughts exactly! :-)

  • avatar
    ponchoman49

    I always find it comical starting up a Lincoln or Cadillac etc with a 50K plus window sticker and hearing the sound of a Focus or Malibu under hood. Just doesn’t go together even with upcoming MPG standards.

    • 0 avatar
      tjh8402

      @ponchoman49 – agreed. My old airport FBO job had me moving rental cars around all the time, and I remember when the DTS’s were replaced by the XTS’s in the rental fleets. I know it’s a six cylinder and better than the 4s, but it was still disheartening the first time I hit the start button and heard that 3.6 fire up instead of the old Northstar in the DTS. It just didn’t sound as special or authoritative. I always liked the sound of the 300C Hemi starting – no mistaking that for anything else.

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    ijbrekke

    My Dad recently bought a CTS wagon. Great car. 3.6L AWD makes for a pretty fun time, so I’m not surprised they are keeping that aspect around for this. It’s a damn shame to not make the wagon any longer though, such a unique and cool car. But, like most unique and cool cars, they never sold enough to justify it financially.

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    dwford

    I’m sorry, but Cadillac is continuing to price based on their delusion of parity with the German brands. Cadillac is the only one thinking that, the customers definitely are not. $84k for a loaded CT6?! For a car that comes pre-cancelled and is about to be trumped by a CT8? What’s next, an $80k Lincoln Continental?

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    nickoo

    SPEAKING of Cadillac. I just saw the most head scratching Cadillac ad of all time involving some fem-boy Asian talking about his mother (obviously he didn’t have a dad) letting him play with dolls and therefore he bought a Cadillac.

    I’m. Not. Making. This. Up.

    De Lorenzo is going to have weeks of writing material! What the hell is going on over there in New York?

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      RideHeight

      What was the GI Joe product line, then?

      Hah! I just realized that ad’s pretty old but my wife and I have gotten so good about muting football commercials that I never heard the soundtrack till replaying it just now :-D

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        nickoo

        I just don’t get the ad at all. Who are they targeting? I’ve never seen a demographic more loyal to Asian vehicles than people of Asian ethnicity and living on the west coast, I have a lot of sample points to observe. Do they really think they are going to peel off Asian customers from Lexus, Acura, or Infiniti? Hell, I doubt they could even peel them off Mitsubishi!

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          RideHeight

          They can but try.

          And I now know there’s a whole world of highly paid creative types, heavily gay, out there whose existence my meat & potatoes, working class background never had in its cosmology.

          Why not attempt to consciously associate your brand with their kind? It’s a logic based upon the same recognition as Dire Strait’s “little faggot” with his own jet airplane.

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          RideHeight

          They can but try.

          And I now know there’s a whole world of highly paid creative types, heavily g*y, out there whose existence my meat & potatoes, working class background never had in its cosmology.

          Why not attempt to consciously associate your brand with their kind? It’s a logic based upon the same recognition as Dire Strait’s “little f*ggot” with his own jet airplane.

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      VenomV12

      I know the ad, I guarantee that guy has never driven or owned a Cadillac or any car for that matter. He is actually a pretty big name clothing designer in NYC. It’s just like the Wozniak Cadillac ad, he doesn’t own a Cadillac either, he owns a Tesla, doesn’t make any sense.

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    alfaromeo

    I am not surprise at all. Look at the price of CTS and XTS now, they are so close already. I think Cadi might want to market CTS as a more sporty vehicle while CT6 as a more premium vehicle to differentiate them.

    Good luck Cadi.

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    xbaer

    So lots of good comments on here. Let me guys ask you this. I have been switching cars the last few years regularly.
    audi s4, MB E550, BMW 550i, MB ML63
    I want to get back into a sedan due to knee issues with high seating angle. 0-60 5seconds or under.
    I looked at the CTS vsport premium 3.6TT. Nice driving characteristics. Wife doesn’t like the interior space limitations that much. 2014 models seems to be going for 45kish. I am tired of constant car repairs. All my vehicles have had their fair share of repairs. I do drive spirited at times as I am from Germany originally and we have a second baby on the way so some space in the back seat would be good although my wife has a Highlander to do the family hauling.
    Thoughts? CTS vsport, Audi A6 3.0T, chrysler 300s, gs f sport? As you can see I don’t mind cross shopping

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