By on December 1, 2015

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Toyota and PSA announced Tuesday that they would continue to build a van for European markets for light commercial and passenger duty and unveiled their newest Toyota Proace/Peugeot Traveller/Citroen SpaceTourer eggs.

The three vans, which look virtually identical short of their shades and faces, are all produced at PSA’s factory in Valenciennes, France.

While the Toyota version looks like one of those samurai crabs, it’ll likely never set foot in the U.S. and that’s a shame — commercial vans are the new hot thing for automakers, you know?

According to our own Tim Cain, Ford sold more than 5,800 Transit Connect vans in October alone — good enough for third place among all commercial vans. Toyota could horn in on some of that fun by bringing over a Proace to challenge Ford, Nissan, Ram and Chevrolet for the mid-size commercial market.

Toyota and PSA began the van partnership in 2012 and the new models will reportedly continue the alliance past 2020.

Toyota’s version of the van is powered by either a 1.6- or 2-liter diesel engine and mated to a five- or six-speed manual transmission and oh my hell we’re never going to see that in the States ever are we?

I hope Toyota gets my letter because the Proace is probably the only shot we have at getting a French-built car in the U.S. any time soon — or at least one that you can drive on the highway.

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24 Comments on “Toyota, PSA Team Up For Some Euro Van Action...”


  • avatar
    bball40dtw

    Rideheight is going to be sad that he can’t buy this. Well, he would want his assembled in Japan and not France though.

    • 0 avatar
      RideHeight

      Oh, crushed hope! I found images of the SWB version.

      I could stand a little garlic smell for that.

    • 0 avatar
      RobertRyan

      @BBall,
      We are getting a slew of Vans from Renault. Renault currently outsells the Transit, by a considerable margin. Toyota is falling behind Hyundai as far as the Asian Vans go. Ducato is doing well and it’s family relative IVECO, is being used as a Motohome and speciality base

      • 0 avatar
        bball40dtw

        I’m sure it’s a decent van. I welcome more van competition here. As much as I like the Transit and Transit Connect, it would be nice to have even more options. If this sold as a Toyota in the US, it wouldn’t come close to Transit or Transit Connect sales. Ford has carved out a strong van niche. Even as competitors appear, Ford continues to gain market share and sell more vans in the US. The only problem with the Transit Connect as a personal vehicle is that the Chrysler vans can be had for the same price. The Caravan comes with a V6 standard too.

  • avatar
    Richard Chen

    French-built cars available in the U.S.:

    Smart ForTwo, both generations
    Toyota Yaris, starting MY 2015

  • avatar
    Mattias

    The only thing Toyota here is the badge as the engines are sourced from BMW and the Platform is Peugeot. Toyota just couldn’t keep up with the pace in Europe and their 2.2 diesel just wasn’t renewed for Euro 6 standards

    • 0 avatar
      jthorner

      “Toyota just couldn’t keep up with the pace in Europe and their 2.2 diesel just wasn’t renewed for Euro 6 standards”

      Just get some of the magic engine controllers from Bosch and a flow straightener device after the air cleaner and presto, clean diesel!

      • 0 avatar
        Barba

        “Just get some of the magic engine controllers from Bosch and a flow straightener device after the air cleaner and presto, clean diesel!”

        Still won’t stop them blowing headgaskets and imploding

  • avatar
    TonyJZX

    I’m fascinated by vans of this size. I dont know why. I must be sick. I’ve never enjoyed driving vans, not even the van quasi car based vans but I see the utility.

    The above looks like Toyota’s version of the Nissan NV200 but with a lot more refinement and hence, cost.

    I expect this to hit the US and other diesel phobia countries with a 2 liter w/ a 4 speed auto? CVT? 6 spd auto?

  • avatar
    Big Al from Oz

    The Euro/French Toyota van looks better than our Toyota vans. I wonder if it’s driving dynamics are better.

    Here is a link to a review on some of our vans. The Australian van market is around 22 000 per year and look at the number of vans we can choose from. This is not all of them either.

    We have massive volume in our vehicle market. We have what the rest of the world has, that is a huge and varied market.

    The US with is very limited commercial vehicle fleet is losing out. By losing out I’m talking about the business person and even the normal person. Maybe just maybe there are vehicles out there that will fulfill the role and expections better than what is available in the US market.

    Well, I do know some who comment on TTAC don’t like this statement from me …… it’s the chicken tax and other technical trade barriers preventing the US vehicle market from offering the consumer freedom of choice.

    This is one aspect of the US I do find a pity. The world’s largest democracy can’t offer it’s people the world of motor vehicles.

    http://www.caradvice.com.au/291602/van-comparison-toyota-hiace-v-hyundai-iload-v-ford-transit-custom-v-renault-trafic-v-fiat-scudo-v-mercedes-benz-vito-v-volkswagen-transporter/

    • 0 avatar
      dolorean

      “This is one aspect of the US I do find a pity. The world’s largest democracy can’t offer it’s people the world of motor vehicles”

      That’s because we live within the delusion of our free market, m8. It’s a common condition to believe in the illusion of choice when the majoriy of us don’t like having them. Funny how we groan on about “regulation killing the free market” when we can’t even repeal the reactionary and archaic chicken tax.

      • 0 avatar
        Big Al from Oz

        dolorean,
        I would expect the ‘majority’ not to want these vans. That I do agree.

        But why should people such as yourself dictate what the consumer can have, especially if you don’t want one?

        Sort of like the union which represents a tiny percentage of the population dictating wages and conditions.

        It called being a socialist.

    • 0 avatar
      heavy handle

      The US market gets Mercedes, Fiat/Peugeot/Citroen (Ram), Ford, Nissan, Isuzu, and GM commercial vans. Used to get VW, but it didn’t make any headway.

      I would hardly call that a lack of “freedom of choice.” Toyota and Hyundai are welcome to try and compete. They are big companies, they can add-up numbers and see if there’s room for them.

      Thing is, US fleet buyers are very conservative. It takes years, maybe decades, to build-up the level of trust required to get big fleet orders. The real product in this market isn’t the van itself (they’re all fairly similar), it’s the parts and service networks.

      • 0 avatar
        bball40dtw

        You are 100% correct. Ford is selling a ton of Transits, not only because it is an excellent product, but they built it with the North America customer in mind, and had been selling Econolines to fleet customers for decades.

        • 0 avatar
          Big Al from Oz

          bball,
          The little Transit was rated the best of the 7 vans in the review.

          The worst was the Toyota HiAce and yet it is the biggest selling van with 40% of the market and they ride like a horse drawn cart.

          The Toyota only has a 4spd auto. This Euro Toyota seems to be a lot better.

      • 0 avatar
        Big Al from Oz

        heavyhandle,
        I do only see the Ram, Transit, Nissan and GM vans.

        • 0 avatar
          heavy handle

          The MB Sprinter’s had a good run so far in the US. Isuzu’s got a product that’s a little bigger than the Sprinter, I’ve seen a bunch around (maybe the local dealer is particularly good).

    • 0 avatar
      DenverMike

      @BAFO – You’re welcome to look at it that way all you want, except an OEM’s only audience is new car dealers.

      Dealers are free to set up and sell Peugeots, Renault, Citroen, and Protons all they want in the US and fill the lots and showroom with them. Good luck to them.

      Some of them did import in the past, with the same barriers we have today, in place.

      So what’s changed?? Some of them thrived here at one time. So did mini-trucks, Chicken tax and all.

      The Chicken tax does serve a purpose to prop up and support Toyota, Nissan, Honda, VW, Subaru, Mazda, Hyundai, Kia and few others. It protects their existence from more imports that would compete with them directly.

  • avatar
    JohnTaurus_3.0_AX4N

    For a Toyota, it doesnt look half bad (lower bunper seems a bit fussy). Id take it over a Sienna for sure!

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      Yes, and you’d also take a 2004 Ford Taurus, the car with the lowest wholesale value period (many in good working condition are sold for scrap price/value), over ANY Toyota, too, which tells anyone anything they need to know about your complete absence of common sense & even sanity.

  • avatar
    C P

    After reading the comments, I’m more interested in the Ford TC than I already was. No sense in hand wringing over what isn’t here. Liked the TC when I fist saw it. Would make a decent camper.

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