By on September 15, 2015

Porsche Mission E

Porsche announced its all-electric four-door concept sedan at the Frankfurt Auto Show, complete with 15-minute charging (to 80 percent) and 310-mile overall range. There’s also some holographic and emoticon blather, but we’ll get to that later.

According to Porsche, the Mission E will use two electric motors with a combined output of 600 horsepower to power the car up to 60 mph in 3.5 seconds. The car’s 800-volt charger would be a first for electric cars, and would help the car charge up to 80 percent in 15 minutes. According to Tesla, the Model S takes about 30 minutes to charge up to 80 percent for similar range.

Porsche didn’t say when (or even if) the car would make it into production, but it’s likely that something very much like it will be heading our way soon. Maybe this will be a new Panamera?

The concept car is full of concept-car goodies, according to Porsche. Four captains chairs? Check. A holo-deck information screen? Check. Emoticons and comically large (and two different sized) wheels? Check and check.

Porsche said its car would be capable of a sub-8 minute run at the Nurburgring Nordschleife and that its batteries could handle multiple, full-power runs. Wonderful.

Although much of the car is conceptual, it’s clear that Porsche is firing a shot across up Tesla’s nose with their battery tech. The Mission E’s 15-minute charge time is depending on the power source, of course, using a high-voltage draw that is roughly double what Tesla’s Supercharger network provides.

The quoted time to 80 percent — and not a full charge — is not uncommon for EVs. According to Chelsea Sexton, an EV expert who appeared in “Who Killed The Electric Car?” and who writes about EVs, Porsche’s claims for battery tech aren’t wholly out of left field — although the infrastructure to make it all work may not yet exist.

Batteries usually charge at their normal rate from 0 percent to 80 percent, she said, but automakers usually turn down the voltage, and consequently the rate of charge, between 80 percent to 100 percent to keep batteries from degrading. Increased heat due to high-voltage charging, especially when batteries are almost already fully charged, has been commonly thought to degrade Li-Ion batteries, although automakers say they’ve seen little degradation so far.

“At the moment, there are three DC fast charging connectors: Tesla, CHAdeMO (the Japanese/Korean manufacturers, generally speaking), and the SAE Combo (or “CCS”) connector, which the Americans and Germans all use. (It’s) worth noting that Ulrich Hackenberg of VW Group chairs the SAE committee, so no real chance that Porsche is going to deviate from that connector,” Sexton said. There’s no real chance that Porsche could partner with Tesla anytime soon, she added.

Porsche’s 800-volt charger may take a charge in 15 minutes, Sexton said, but the infrastructure needed to deliver that kind of power doesn’t yet exist. Current DC chargers operate between 50 and 100 kW, nowhere near potent enough to charge Porsche’s car in 15 minutes.

Porsche said its car could be charged at home, or on available public chargers, but didn’t say how long it would take to fully charge.

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35 Comments on “Porsche Announces Mission E Tesla Fighter at Frankfurt, Drops Mic...”


  • avatar
    MT

    Agreed, next gen Panamera. The dash looks phenomenal.

  • avatar
    PRNDLOL

    The style job the Porsche Panamera should’ve been.

  • avatar
    dal20402

    This is the second amazingly gorgeous Panamera concept Porsche has teased us with (after the Panamera Sport). And, of course, the production version will keep the same awkward proportions that result from trying way too hard to look like a 911 stretch limo.

  • avatar
    jacob_coulter

    Beautiful car.

    I like the Panerama, but there’s just something ungainly about it that keeps it from being a timeless looking car.

    But if a few more high end car companies start doing this with electric cars, I see Tesla falling apart pretty rapidly. Especially if their gravy train of selling mileage credit will no longer be such a rare commodity.

    • 0 avatar
      SlowMyke

      “Just something ungainly…”

      Yeah, it’s called the whole back half of the car. Granted they tried to avoid extreme sloped roofline that plagues sedans these days, so I guess it at least has a purpose.

      “Tesla falling apart pretty rapidly…”

      OR, Tesla keeps its current pace and remains ahead of companies just now coming up with pie-in-the-sky concepts. I love that everyone jumps on every concept a non-Tesla company releases and declares it a Tesla killer. I can’t imagine that by the time Audi or Porsche or BMW ever releases a legitimate EV contender Tesla will have sat on its hands. And I doubt a $200k+ Porsche is going to steal a whole lot Tesla sales at half the price point. Especially since Tesla is going the way of the market with CUVs instead of ultra limited hypercar sedans. Should Porsche put this out as promised, I’m sure it will be great. But I also suspect I’ll only ever see one at NAIAS as opposed to the several teslas daily I already see on the roads.

      • 0 avatar
        TonyJZX

        No no no. Porsche have ANNOUNCED a concept car. Does this car even exist and does it even hit its benchmarks?

        Tesla have a car for sale. They have PRODUCTION cars coming in the pipeline.

        What does Porsche actually have? Some computer generated pictures and some projected goals?

        This is car way off being even in the showrooms. It otherwise looks fine but I have strong misgivings about conventional ICE companies moving to the “Tesla model” as it were. Where is their future revenue path without ICE running costs?

      • 0 avatar

        There were lot of iPhone killer I recall, from formidable companies like Nokia, LG, Moto, Toshiba. Apple somehow not only survived but prosper and still leads in smartphone market. And where are Nokia and others? Now it became a fashion to come up with Tesla killer. What contenders forget is that Tesla Silicon Valley company, innovative, bold and with can do attitude – not easy target for killing. When Porsche come up with Tesla killer tesla will come up with something even better and unexpected.

    • 0 avatar
      heavy handle

      Tesla will be just fine. You can tell just by the fact that everyone is now copying them (or more specifically, copying what Tesla was doing 3 years ago).

      Like it or not, the Model S is a fairly common sight on streets these days, unlike these auto-show mockups/renderings.

      • 0 avatar
        SlowMyke

        @heavy handle- very true, it’s getting harder and harder these days to tell if a company even bothered to mock up a physical concept car (shell or otherwise) or just emailed out a few digital renders to the press and proposed some fantasy specs.

  • avatar

    I said it this morning: As soon as the Germans turn their development towards EV, TESLA IS DOOMED.

    “The car’s 800-volt charger would be a first for electric cars, and would help the car charge up to 80 percent in 15 minutes.”

    Suddenly, I want to invest in this.

    Problem is, what we don’t need are more high-priced EV supercars. What we need are EV full-sized cars less than $50,000.

    • 0 avatar
      mcs

      >> I said it this morning: As soon as the Germans turn their development towards EV, TESLA IS DOOMED.

      Because as we all know, you’ll never have an electrical problem with a German car.

    • 0 avatar
      WhiskeyRiver

      800 volt charger. Charging batteries makes heat. 800 volts charging batteries has to make enormous heat.

      Which probably means battery fires.

      How much of the car would be left after a battery explosion and fire?

      • 0 avatar
        stuki

        “How much of the car would be left after a battery explosion and fire?”

        Not to mention, how much would be left of the whole city block after this car catches fire and ignites the “100% charge in 2 minutes” H2 powered Lexi parked next to it in the greener/more equal section of the parking structure?

        Seriously, if that kind of industrial sized power draw is necessary for the future survival and proliferation of E-cars, I’m siding with the Japs. If for no other reason than that H2 cars remain fairly green and nonpolluting even when they explode.

        • 0 avatar
          nickoo

          The energy efficiency of hydrogen cars from well to wheel compared to battery electric is a complete joke. Hydrogen is in no way a green fuel.

          Properly formulated batteries are very safe and have low risk of fire. Modern Nickle Zinc (made by a company in san diego) or Silver Zinc (mil-spec) or even Dual Carbon Cathode (Japan Power Plus) made with “foam” type structures with enormous surface area per volume and per weight are all just as promising or even better as future batteries than current Li-On and have much less run-away fire risk.

          Magnesium to replace lithium is would be another enormous breakthough and in various stages of research.

  • avatar
    FormerFF

    “Porsche said its car could be charged at home, or on available public chargers, but didn’t say how long it would take to fully charge.”

    A typical 4.8 kW home charging station, which would operate off of a 240 volt 30 amp circuit, adds about 16 miles of range per hour of charge to almost any EV. One that plugs into a 240 volt 50 amp circuit does approximately double that. If that’s not enough, Porsche could do two of them, like Tesla does, but you may need new electrical service pulled from the street, what is normally provided may not be enough.

    • 0 avatar

      EV won’t fully take off until we add more public charging.

      HERE’S THE BIGTRUCKSERIESREVIEW FINAL SOLUTION

      #1 Government should STOP subsidizing EV in the form of tax rebates and turn those into tax rebates for businesses willing to install chargers on their premises. Movie theaters, malls, etc,etc… anyplace people normally spend an hour or more.

      #2 Lamp posts, like those in the Parking lots – you know WAY OUT THERE where no one wants to park…should have a 240v plug in that lets people tap the grid. How will we pay for it? They are going to place a tax on EV anyway. Explain it to the public. We’ll let you charge for free so long as you pay the tax to help improve the charging network.

      #3 I’ve been to buildings with solar panels and free EV charging… HOW ABOUT large parking lots get those courtesy of the tax? They’ll offer some shelter from the sun’s heat and charge cars.

      If we proliferate charging stations and pay for it wisely without going deep into debt, we can make EV more desirable and bring overall costs down.

      And while all of you are in your silent EV, I’ll be driving around in a Hellcat with cheap premium fuel due to a demand plummet.

      • 0 avatar
        ckb

        Ok, fun with math time…

        According to fueleconomy.gov, there are 168,000 gas stations in the US. Assuming each station has an average of 8 pumps, that brings us to 1,344,000 refueling stations. According to a random website(TM) a public charging station costs about $9k. Total cost of replacing gas stations with currently available charging stations is ~$12B.

        For reference that’s about the cost of 80 Joint strike fighters (2400 on order), a few days worth of the war on terror, 0.07% of the national debt or $36/per citizen.

        Say its 5x as much for some new high current version. I’d have no problem paying a one time $180 tax to essentially make all of our enemies irrelevant. Explain to the public they are paying $1000s to maintain the status quo. Then sell the tech to China to eliminate debt. Hello smaller government/balanced budget!

      • 0 avatar
        brn

        #2, we’ll pay for it by having the EV owners using their credit card.

        I’m tired of EV advocates pretending electricity should be free. My utility bill would disagree.

        I can understand subsidizing EV development. However, if the power is so darn cheap, don’t subsidize that.

  • avatar
    shaker

    This may qualify for the upcoming “Electron Guzzler Tax”.

    It’s good to see EV development of any kind (it’s early on, yet), but this beauty will encourage wasteful driving.

    Luckily, some of this tech will trickle (ahem) down to more affordable, frugal EV’s.

    • 0 avatar

      I’ve read studies that Hybrids and low gas prices increase the number of car accidents due to the law of averages:

      Increasing the average number of people on the road – due to less cost of driving – increases accidents – as well as traffic.

      If everyone had a P85D right now, the accidents would be SPECTACULAR.

      Wasteful driving? Oh absolutely.

      Imagine if we had solar power and wind EVERYWHERE and had cheap energy. Traffic would be a nightmare. We’d have to tax the hell out of people just to keep them off the roads.

      • 0 avatar
        VoGo

        Well, officer, while it may APPEAR that I was driving drunk and rear ended that school bus doing 60 MPH, the reality is that studies have shown that hybrids caused this accident.

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    Gadayum!

    Looks great, just replace the cream color bits in the dash with some gorgeous tropical rain forest wood, and I’m in. Full-width tail lamps and light up PORSCHE FTW.

    Would make an excellent and desirable Panamera replacement for the current aging beluga.

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    I can’t believe I’m going to write this.

    I don’t see Tesla feeling threatened by this.

    • 0 avatar
      Lack Thereof

      If it means Porsche biting into the P85D market, and Tesla having to sell more $70,000 base models to make up the difference, I could see that worrying them.

      But not much.

      • 0 avatar
        SlowMyke

        I don’t foresee the most expensive Tesla model x costing as much as the base price of this vaporware. And it is the model x that all the proposed audi and Porsche ev’s will compete with, not the model s.

        Aside from that, the Audi concept seems far more likely to see the light of day than this. I could see this being a styling exercise for the new panamera while an electric Porsche ends up being a macan instead, since Audi is showing their version of it already.

  • avatar
    energetik9

    Porsche doesn’t usually build concepts just to build concepts. This could be future panamera or even 911 influences from what I’ve read already.

  • avatar
    Detroit-Iron

    “Porsche Announces Mission E Tesla Fighter at Frankfurt, Drops Mic”

    In other words “80 year old, massively profitable company with a storied racing history regards 12 year old, money losing, borderline startup as a competitor.”

  • avatar
    honda_lawn_art

    I don’t think it’s an anything “fighter”. Tesla’s sold 75,000 Model S’s since they came out in 2012; 18,750 a year. Porsche sells a few more Panamara’s than that. An ‘e-mission’ or whatever could probably only hope to carve out sales from either of those two cars, so if it exists at all it’s a replacement for the Panamera.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    Porsche MAY deliver a car that is faster, etc than a Model S, but they won’t sell more of them for 3 reasons:

    1. Tesla is the well-established player in this market, and will (hopefully) have a Gen 2 Model S available soon.

    2. The Porsche will by hyper-expensive, meaning low volume.

    3. Q: Where would Porsche source enough battery to beat Tesla’s volume?
    A: From a “Porsha-factory”!

    Cue the laughter from Jabba-the-Hut.

    • 0 avatar
      SlowMyke

      If anything, Porsche will source its battery from the same factory Tesla does… That gigafactory is going to have excess capacity for a few years yet and Tesla is keen on selling its excess, be it cafe credits or tech.

  • avatar
    VenomV12

    This car looks incredible.

  • avatar
    probert

    If you could only drive computer mock-ups – wowsers!! And when it’s done are they going to sign up for the super charging/sharing network, or are you going to search for a 110 outlet in the potted palms? Show me a car – otherwise it’s a joke.

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