By on March 4, 2015

2015 Ford F-150After an especially strong start to 2015, Ford F-Series volume failed to increase in the United States in the second month of the year. The F-Series was outsold by GM’s full-size twins in February 2015, just as it was in the final five months of 2014. Through the first two months of 2015, however, the F-Series isn’t just America’s best-selling vehicle line, it’s also ahead of the GM twins.

Slightly.

By 327 units.

It’ll be the race to watch in 2015, not because there’s any real possibility of the F-Series being unseated – the Silverado would need to outsell the F-Series by an average of 2811 units in each of 2015’s remaining ten months to take the top spot by year’s end – but because 2015 is a major year for Ford’s truck line.

Can Ford strike the balance between incentive-boosted volume and profitability on their new aluminum-intensive F-150? If the F-Series’ market share continues to be strong, does it matter if the GM twins can muster more sales?

Ford and GM trucks aren’t alone at the top of best sellers lists: the Ram P/U line is the third best-selling vehicle range so far this year, 211 sales ahead of the best-selling car, Toyota’s Camry. The Camry’s February results, a 14% jump to 32,942 sales, meant the Ram was temporarily knocked down to the fourth position for the first time since August.

Rank
Best-Selling Vehicle
2 Months 2015
2 Months 2014
% Change
#1
Ford F-Series
109,606 102,418 7.0%
#2
Chevrolet Silverado
81,501 65,510 24.4%
#3
Ram P/U
59,916 54,374 10.2%
#4
Toyota Camry
59,705 52,330 14.1%
#5
Toyota Corolla
55,196 48,052 14.9%
#6
Nissan Altima
54,882 54,364 2.8%
#7
Honda CR-V
45,509 38,991 16.7%
#8
Honda Accord
42,627 45,226 -5.7%
#9
Ford Fusion
42,426 44,615 -4.9%
#10
Toyota RAV4
41,767 33,331 25.3%
#11
Chevrolet Equinox
41,278 36,134 14.2%
#12
Ford Escape
40,969 42,604 -3.8%
#13
Honda Civic
39,737 43,399 -8.4%
#14
Nissan Rogue
37,068 31,028 19.5%
#15
Chevrolet Cruze
36,994 38,664 -4.3%
#16
Ford Explorer
35,649 26,734 33.3%
#17
Ford Focus
32,497 27,929 16.4%
#18
Chrysler 200
29,962 22,958 30.5%
#19
Nissan Sentra
29,749 21,466 38.6%
#20
Jeep Cherokee
29,180 22,300 30.9%

This list was updated at 11:34 AM ET to reflect former Corolla/Altima exclusion.

The Camry, meanwhile, led all cars in February. On the one hand, that’s not surprising. On an annual basis, the Camry is routinely America’s best-selling car. On the other hand, this was just the third time in the last seven months that the Camry’s topped the car leaderboard, as the Honda Accord took top honours in August and September and the Nissan Altima was the best-selling car in December and January.

The Accord, however, isn’t even the top-selling Honda these days. Honda’s CR-V continued its streak atop the Honda leaderboard in February, the fifth consecutive month in which the CR-V outsold the Accord and Civic. Through the first two months of 2015, the CR-V began just where it left off, as America’s top-selling SUV/crossover.

The odd story in February’s utility vehicle sales race was the positioning of the Ford Escape. Sales of Ford’s smallest utility declined 10% in an SUV/crossover category which grew by more than 8%. This decline opened up the door for the Toyota RAV4, Chevrolet Equinox, and Nissan Rogue to all outsell the Escape, albeit by narrow margins. The Escape, typically America’s second-best-selling SUV, ranked fifth in February and fourth through the first one-sixth of 2015.

Overall, this list of the 20 best-selling vehicles includes three pickup trucks, ten passenger cars, and seven utility vehicles, including the Ford Explorer and Jeep Cherokee. At this stage in 2014, all of these vehicles except for the Chrysler 200, Jeep Cherokee, Nissan Sentra were also among the 20 top sellers. The Hyundai Elantra, Chevrolet Malibu, and GMC Sierra – which ranked 15th, 17th, and 20th, respectively, at this stage a year ago – were knocked off.

Timothy Cain is the founder of GoodCarBadCar.net, which obsesses over the free and frequent publication of U.S. and Canadian auto sales figures.

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67 Comments on “America’s 20 Best-Selling Vehicles: February 2015 YTD...”


  • avatar
    montyz81

    Something is wrong on this chart. The Altima sold 54,882 in Jan and Feb. Should be listed right up there under the Camary

  • avatar
    slawinlaw

    Since the 200 is selling so well, here’s a crazy idea out of nowhere! Why don’t two TAC writers fly to Miami and rent two Chrysler 200s: one loaded and one a base model. You could compare the two and maybe throw in some pics of a bored college coed! It’s the kind of story you could tease for 3 months!

  • avatar
    philadlj

    This list is missing the Corolla. It should be #5, with 55,196 Jan/Feb 2015 U.S. sales.

    I’ll allow that it’s an easy-to-overlook model!

  • avatar
    BrunoT

    I noticed on a big car buying site that discounts on the new F150 are now much bigger than a couple months back. This would seem to indicate that the rush to buy the new model is over and inventories are adequate now. Might that mean that we’ll see slightly lower average F150 sales volume over the rest of the year, if they’re discounting them $5,000 now? So, the GM’s may take the title, if you consider them one truck.

    Then again, some F150 buyers may have been waiting for prices to normalize.

  • avatar
    pdl2dmtl

    Whaaaa…? No German engineering made it on this list? VW will die a slow death here while Passat gets crowned best car 2015 in Europe. They’ll never learn.

    • 0 avatar
      mik101

      Have to wonder how much VW paid for that in Geneva. More than likely the EU just doesn’t want to admit their home-grown wonders aren’t really all they’re cracked up to be.

  • avatar
    Lou_BC

    Ram truck sales have finally reached a plateau. It was inevitable since they are running out of capacity.

    Ford likes the bragging rights of having the best selling truck line xxyears in a row so if it looks like Chevy will outsell them we will see big rebates.

    Chevy was off to a real slow start with their new truck last year. It took a long time for the market to warm up to them. Some pundits said it was GM’s worse truck launch ever.

    As long as oil prices stay low we will see strong truck sales.

    Those sales stats aught to rile up the anti-big truck crowd ;)

    • 0 avatar
      Carlson Fan

      “Ram truck sales have finally reached a plateau. It was inevitable since they are running out of capacity.’

      So are you saying if I go out and try and buy a new Ram PU in Minneapolis today I won’t be able to find any sitting on dealer lots? I highly doubt that. Still have to give Ram credit for what they have done with their trucks in the last few years.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @Carlson Fan – I’m not saying that. Out of the top 3 brands Ram has the oldest truck. Ram is also approaching max capacity. They had been seeing year over year growth in the 20% range.
        Ram does not have a really competitive 1/2 ton truck in the work market. Ford and GM siblings easily outclass it in towing and hauling. That is probably another factor. They have reached a market saturation point for those who do not really need decent cargo capacity.

      • 0 avatar
        DenverMike

        It’s not that you won’t find lots if Ram trucks, but likely not in the exact specs and trim you’re after.

  • avatar
    Big Al from Oz

    The new aluminium F-150 is presenting itself as a bit of a problem for Ford. I wonder if we will see the Ranger? Would of Ford been better off introducing the Ranger and kept with a more traditional 1/2 ton?

    Of the 300 000 odd pickups sold in January Ford’s new aluminium F-150 only had slightly more than 3% of the total pickup segment.

    Even now in February Ford isn’t in a much better position with the 2015 F-150.

    The numbers of the 2015 F-150 will definitely improve, but how much?

    I do think Ford with it’s enthusiasm to move to an aluminium pickup didn’t factor in the costs of the vehicle.

    Ford will not have the room to offer the discounts it had in the past.

    Ford will need a cheaper “steel” pickup to prop up it’s pickup numbers.

    It’s only a matter of time and the new Ranger will be in the US.

    The Ranger with the 2.7 EcoBoost would be a rocketship. I’d bet my balls if Ford didn’t go the way of aluminium and released the Ranger the Ranger would be selling in much larger numbers than the new aluminium F-150.

    Poor decision making. Maybe the ‘top dog’ at Ford worked to long in the aircraft industry and lost sight of what a pickup is.

    • 0 avatar
      bball40dtw

      Al, we don’t always see eye to eye, but I welcome the 2.7EB Ranger with open arms to America. I’d buy one.

      As far as the 2015 F150 goes, it’s too early to learn anything from it’s sales numbers. Fleet orders are resricted, incentives are scaled way back, and dealerships won’t have full inventory until June. GM had similar issues in 2013 with the Silverado/Sierra. Unfortunetly for FoMoCo, they are losing 90,000 sales during a truck boom.

    • 0 avatar
      DenverMike

      @BAFO – You’ll more likely see a global F-150 officially sold around the world before there’s another US Ranger. Ford has spoken on this and in no uncertain terms, neither will happen. Much less now that the GM midsize twins are back to hog the fleet, cheapskate and bottom feeder demo. I’d say they can keep it.

  • avatar
    Tinn-Can

    I don’t understand why people are buying the chevy unless it is a lot of work truck volume… We just got a 2015 2500HD and it is an ugly and ungainly somebidge… everything is awkwardly laid out inside, and the back end is like 6″ higher than our older (2009-2010) trucks so getting stuff out is a pain. I’m not sure if the sierra has the same interior layout, but the outside is a million times better looking.

  • avatar
    Carilloskis

    Also Ford needs to only outsell Chevy Silverado with he F series trucks not Chevy/GMC trucks its all in how they label their vehicles there have been several times where GMC/Chevy out sell Ford but they are counted as separate. Ford is in no danger of loosing its title of best selling vehicle in the US any time soon . A lot of the Dealers i see around me still have a lot of 14s on the lots that they are trying to get rid of.

  • avatar
    bomberpete

    A few comments:

    – If the F-150 isn’t getting a blast-rush of enthusiasm, all three P/up makers (plus Toyota) will be slapping lots of kale on the hood come spring. If that’s true, the F-150 will hardly be a dud, but not the market-changer Ford talked up. Maybe that “plateau” applies to everyone, and incentives are the drug that keeps the metal moving. Same old story, right?

    – Jeez, sedans are down because of cheap oil.

    – I realize fleet is driving the volume, but I still never thought Chrysler 200 and Nissan Sentra could push 30,000 units in one month.

    – Ford Focus is dropping, isn’t it?

    – Granted it’s only a slight decline, but is it possible that sales are starting to match the poor reliability/recalls of the Ford Escape?

  • avatar
    Lou_BC

    @bball40dtw, Big Al – I’d like to see the Global Ranger in Canada but I really doubt it.
    Big Al if you are correct that Ford is having issues selling the aluminum F150 they sure as hell aren’t going to make the problem worse by diluting sales with a 9/10th Ranger. It is too early to tell as to how Ford will make out. Look at GM truck sales. They had a poor start in 2014 and now are gaining steam.

    @ bomberpete – traditionally we do not see large sales rebates/incentives on newly released trucks. I doubt Ford will go that route right away with the 2015 F150. The dealers in my region are having no problems selling 2015 models at full price.

    Low fuel prices will encourage myopic lifestyle buyers to buy trucks and once fuel prices rise those trucks will enter the used side of the market. I saw that happen in 2008 especially with larger displacement V8’s.

    • 0 avatar
      bball40dtw

      They aren’t having issues selling the new F150. They are selling the high end versions in less than 2 weeks and the 2015 is spending 18 days on the lot overall. It’s a supply issue, not a demand issue right now.

      • 0 avatar
        bomberpete

        I’m not questioning whether the F-150 will be able to sell once the supply chain is filled up, and cheaper versions are available. It is the bright shiny object and has years of consumer good will behind it.

        What I do wonder is if by year-end the price war initiated by GM and Ram will be so ugly that Ford will be forced to participate.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @bomberpete – valid and sound point. Many truck buyers have grown accustomed to the rebate game and wait for the inevitable. I won’t buy unless there are big rebates. I got 12k off of my 2010 when the 2011’s started appearing.

          • 0 avatar
            bomberpete

            Thank you. Buickman can be annoying but he’s right in one regard — customers have become addicted to the deal, particularly in that segment.

    • 0 avatar
      Big Al from Oz

      @Lou_BC,
      My comment is leading to augmenting the total pickup numbers by Ford.

      I don’t see the F-150 staying as number one.

      I mentioned this years ago. The cost of CAFE will impact the affordability of full size pickups in the US.

      The 2015 F-150 is just the beginning. The technology costs.

      • 0 avatar
        bomberpete

        BAFO,

        I live in NYC, but I’m not so provincial that I don’t understand what a big, sprawling and commercial nation the United States is. Not everyone buying big pickups are yahoos compensating for their small johnsons.

        Have you changed your residency? Because if you want to have credibility in making a bold statement like that, you’d have to live here.

        • 0 avatar
          Big Al from Oz

          @bummerpet,
          WTF?

          I don’t ‘qualify’?

          Hmmmm…….many don’t like or accept my commentary. But, I’ve been quite accurate regarding what is occurring in the US pickup segment now for a few years.

          And, finish your homework, kid.

          • 0 avatar
            bomberpete

            Gee BAFO, with your sunny demeanor, I now understand why more posters consider you a bothersome troll.

            i like Aussies. every one I’ve met has been friendly, open-hearted and blessed with good humor. i guess the ones who aren’t go on the Internet and make bombastic statements about things they know a little about, then feel grandiose when one or two predictions come true.

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al from Oz

            @Bummerpet,
            You know the drill.

            Call me BAFO I’ll treat you like some f#ckwit you are.

            Also, look at your comment. Are you a child or what.

            Did you finish your homework, child.

            If you want mature dialogue from me then use the correct language and tone.

            I’ll respond accordingly. This is called tone matching.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            “Call me BAFO I’ll treat you like some f#ckwit you are.”

            How about calling you “Douche-bag From Oz”? Seems most appropriate

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            That would be an insult to feminine hygiene products.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            My apologies to Massengill

          • 0 avatar
            bomberpete

            +1, Lie2Me.

            I prefer the term Crapweasel myself — it applies well to over-sensitive twerps who profess to know everything. Douches serve a useful purpose. BAFO doesn’t.

            Yeah, I know I’m being “immature.” It’s actually pretty funny coming from a guy who thinks he’s such a TTAC celebrity that everyone should know he can’t stand acronyms. Maybe BAFO has delusions of being Kanye West?

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            Why you indulge him, I don’t know. Just scroll past it — he rehashes the same factually deficient talking points over and over again and he obviously suffers from some sort of literacy problem, so nothing is gained by either reading his nonsense or responding to it.

          • 0 avatar
            bomberpete

            You’re right, Pch101 – I’m sorry I took the bait. But since he hates acronyms so much, I’ll use another – DETT (Don’t Engage The Troll).

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @Big Al – I don’t see Ford loosing #1 sales spot unless you get on board with the GM fans that say Silverado, Sierra, Colorado and Canyon all count as one.

        Give it a few years and we’ll talk. Personal use lifestyle buyers are the ones that push pickup sales to record highs. The commercial/work end of the sales spectrum tends to be more stable and less fickle.

        • 0 avatar
          Big Al from Oz

          Lou, like I told bummerpet above, I’ve been quite accurate so far with my predictions in the US pickup market.

          From the diesels, to even what diesel was going into the Ram. I even predicted the plateauing of Ram sales as long ago as 6 months or so.

          The current crop of new and refined mid sizers I also stated would be competitive. They are taking sales away from the lighter 1/2 NA V6’s.

          Toyota with the next Taco will improve. I do hope Nissan (US) with the next Frontier adopt a majority of the global Navara. This is a better mid sizer than the Colorado Canyon.

          Now, even the F-150. I know as yourself being an obsessed Ford man are hoping. You comments display an emotive edge that could cloud you to make an accurate assessment.

          This is highlighted by your denial of Ram and the improvement it has shown. More importantly, why the Ram has improved.

          You disbelief that pickups are a car/SUV alternative. Your view is people are buying pickups for load and tow. To a degree yes. But how often and how large are these “phantom” load and tow capabilities used?

          The Ford F Series will be a big player, but reduced.

          F Series HDs (lighter HDs) in the near future will be challenged by a far better “HD” style pickup in the Titan. There was talk the next Tundra is going down the same path as Nissan with the Titan, that is an HD when you don’t have an HD approach.

          Have a look at the current HDs, how old are they? They are a generation behind the last gen of pickups.

          The aluminium F-150 will have cost issues. It will also have sales taken away by the newer mid sizers coming on line.

          Now, remember I’m not stating that mid sizers will “take over” the US pickup market but they will do damage and either reduce or stagnate full size pickup numbers.

          Your comment regarding mid sizers grouped in total pickup numbers is logical.

          What breath of vehicles are in the F Series alone? How can a F-450 be classified with a F-150?

          I do think pickup numbers should be broken down into logical segments ie, Class.

          You see Lou, I’m not emotive in my assessments. I don’t give a f$ck what brand or what country a vehicle is manufactured.

          If Ford goes under (not saying it will) I will not lose sleep. Because something will take it’s place.

          This is the part of capitalism many on this site lose track off.

          Who cares who makes what vehile. So long as its good and fulfills your needs and wants.

          FCA found this out with the Ram and you refuse to believe this.

          Oh, I don’t like Ram, but respect is given when due.

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            Aren’t you the BAFO that predicted the new F-150 would be priced out of reach for anyone except sultans, congress and rock stars?

          • 0 avatar
            Scoutdude

            So Big Al when was the last time you walked into a US Ford dealer? Fact is that they are having trouble meeting demand for the 2015 F150 with in stock inventory pretty low. The Current discounts are $500 retail cash plus, $500 for active duty military or police association members, and $750 competitive lease conquest. On the 2014 which they have lots of in stock They are offering $4500 retail cash/trade in bonus in addition to the $500 military/police discount and a $500 college grad discount.

            At my local dealer one of the largest in the area they have 45 2014 in stock and although the list 21 2015 on their website many of those are on order and may not hit the lot for some time. The dealer is offering their own $5000 discount on the bulk of the remaining 2014s and none on the 2015s.

            So the reality is that the supplies of the 2015 F150 are very low and Ford isn’t really budging on the price. They aren’t even matching the discounts of the 2015 GM and Ram trucks with the 2014’s, at least yet. I do expect that they will up the discounts on the remaining 2014 to match what GM and Ram are doing on their 2015 in the next month or so to get them out the door.

            On the base trucks Ford is eating some of the additional cost by not upping the price as much as the cost to produce went up. On the mid range models they have passed most if not all of the additional cost onto the base price. On the upper trims they raised the price by more sometimes significantly more than the additional cost of production.

            In net at this point since they are only producing the mid and upper trims they have increased their base profit margin. They are not offering discounts like GM and Ram keeping the profit margin intact. What this means is that so far the Aluminum F150 is a huge success raking in far more profit per truck than anything that has come before.

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al from Oz

            @Scoutdude,
            I don’t deny there are supply issues. I have highlighted this previously, numerous times.

            From what I’m gathering Ford is having problems in production. How many additional employees has Ford put on over the past year for the 2015 F-150?

            They keep adding them and production isn’t giving adequate returns.

            Also, the final numbers of F-150s we don’t know what they will be. But don’t expect them to be what they were.

            I have never stated they will not sell. I have stated that Ford and many Ford fans are over estimating the impact of this new pickup. Ford will not be sincere, they will spin for marketing purposes.

            Like I stated, you have stiffer competition now and more coming. As good as the 2015 F-150 is it didn’t meet what it’s main aim had been and how Ford first attempted to woe the populace with it’s going to have great FE.

            Most of the FE improvement has been via engine/drivetrain improvements, not what material the pickup has been made of.

            The Ford apologist are quick with the latest piece of Ford marketing of larger load and tow capability and disregarded the intial supposed great FE advantage.

            The reality is Ford could of managed to offer identical gains with a different suspension, which would of been much cheaper.

            I’m not saying there was no FE gains. But the gains are quite small.

            Ram with the Ecodiesel had a far larger FE improvement with just an engine/drivetrain change.

            The Colorado Canyon has outsold the 2015 F-150. I’m no way stating this will be ongoing. But it’s a smack in the face for Ford.

            Judging by the amount of additional workers I don’t think Ford is having an easy time producing these vehicles.

            I have stated now for a long time that working with aluminium is harder than steel and more costly. I actually have worked with the stuff for a living for most of my life. I do know what’s involved.

            As I’ve stated Ford is going to encounter more and more competition. Nissan with the V8 Cummins Titan. The Colorado Canyon, even the VM powered Ram, which makes up 20% of all Ram sales.

            The newer mid sizers are much more refined and as capable as many full size pickups.

            You can state, “the Ford can tow 12 000lbs”. But the reality who and how many actually tow that much. Or better still how many don’t buy a 1/2 ton to tow 10-12 thousand pounds but an HD?

            I really don’t see the new F-150 standing at the podium in sales for quite some time.

            Business in the US is gradually taking to those little Euro Vans. This competes against fleet trucks as well.

            They might not be the same size as a full size, but the reality is full size trucks are an overkill for many businesses.

            I’m not stating I don’t like them, but lets be realistic about what tool you need to do the job.

            I’m getting sick and tired of the “this is America and we can’t use a little toy truck”. This is nonsense. If you require the capability then I do agree but 75% of 1/2 ton pickups don’t require much or anymore capability than those little vans than can carry 1 500lbs. People also don’t tow like most here seem to comment either.

            Again, I’m not stating no one tows, but the figures are exaggerated to justify the want for a full size. When in reality if you want a full size or mid size you don’t need to justify. The only time you justify is when making business and financial decisions.

            Even the Colorado with a trayback with at least a 1 800lb load after the tray is put on will be more versatile than the new F-150 and cheaper to operate.

            It might not have the tow capacity, but I don’t see many Americans towing 10 000lb plus trailers everywhere. I actually don’t see many Americans towing 5 000lbs.

            I see most pickups that carry very little in the bed and tow at most a tandem wheel trailer than would be lucky to carry 4 000lbs. Most are empty and not towing.

            These new pickups are becoming more and more SUV and car alternatives.

            People who buy these vehicles will not be woed as much as most of us car fanatics because the F-150 is built out of aluminium.

            Most wouldn’t care. It’s not as if the F-150 is an Audi performance car.

            Ford will still sell lots of F-150s but FCA also sell lots of Rams and GM sell lots of Silverados/Sierras.

            People or more accurately Ford Fans have to start to accept Ford is in a slump, irrespective of how it got there.

          • 0 avatar
            Scoutdude

            “The Colorado outsells the F150” That has to be both the funniest and most inaccurate statement you’ve ever made.

            Yes Ford has put more people on the new F150 line. In cased you missed it the truck is all new and a radical departure from any truck before it and they did almost complete retooling of the plants to accommodate it.

            Because of this they started the production lines slow and with more people so that they could insure that the initial vehicles meet their desired quality standards and didn’t need rework like a number of FCA’s recent launches. They are rampping up the production rate at the first plant that was changed over and should start doing the same at the other plant soon. As you’ve noted before the F-series is Ford’s most important product and the launch of the new F150 is the most important launch in modern times and probably in all the history of Ford. They know this and are trying very to make sure it is done right.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @BAFO ;)……….

            predictions?

            Looks like your crystal balls do more than keep your pecker company.
            1.
            Ummm…… anyone who follows the truck market knows that Ram was going to plateau. It’s called maximum plant capacity. Marchionne said he wasn’t going to invest in building a new plant in the NAFTA zone for pickups.
            2.
            Diesel Ram – ummm….. no brainer. Ram was working with Cummins for the 5.0. That deal failed due to bankruptcy. Fiat has diesels. That rumour was also floating for some time.
            3.
            “The current crop of new and refined mid sizers I also stated would be competitive. They are taking sales away from the lighter 1/2 NA V6’s.”
            PROOF????? Citations required………
            The Colorado has NOT hurt or slowed Tacoma and Frontier sales and has NOT hurt full sized 1/2 ton sales.
            You can interpret sales stats your way and I’ll interpret them my way.
            4.
            “This is highlighted by your denial of Ram and the improvement it has shown. More importantly, why the Ram has improved.”
            WTF?
            This year is the FIRST year that Ram 1500 has EVER made JD Power’s TOP 3 in Durability. Yes they have improved that area. They had no f–in’ choice.
            Sales improvement is NOT a sign of durability or quality.
            Didn’t we have a story here a while back covering that aspect?

            My beef with RAM is based on 2 things; DURABILITY and CARGO CAPACITY.

            I do not deny that at least one half (1/2) of 1/2 ton sales are personal use lifestyle sales. I have NEVER denied that fact.

            I do not say people buy trucks just to tow or haul but I do say many are too ignorant to know the actual ratings for their truck.

            I SAY: buy the truck you want but MAKE SURE it has the capabilities to do what you want it to do.

            5.
            “You see Lou, I’m not emotive in my assessments.”

            um……..look at your name calling.

            An unemotional person would not do that.

          • 0 avatar
            bomberpete

            “@BAFO ;)……….predictions?

            Looks like your crystal balls do more than keep your pecker company.”

            Epic, Lou_BC!

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al from Oz

            @Scoutdude,
            When your first sentence is a totally incorrect. It’s a lie I never made that statement. Why did you lie and distort the debate?

            What did I state? “The Colorado Canyon has outsold the 2015 F-150. I’m no way stating this will be ongoing. But it’s a smack in the face for Ford.”

            What is the 2015 F-150? You don’t even know this and yet passed a comment like you did?

            What is driving you to do these things?

            Why, because you don’t have an answer.

            A foolish man you are.

          • 0 avatar
            bomberpete

            Funny that Big Al should use the word foolish. Any of us that continue to engage w/him should remember the wise words of Mark Twain. They certainly apply here:

            “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al from Oz

            @Lou_BC,
            Yep, you can pass the comment you have.

            But, remember, I was laughed off of sites when I stated you full size trucks would be getting diesels.

            It became worse when I stated US midsizers will get diesels and the new midsizers were as refined as a full size.

            Your beef with Ram goes deeper.

            You have yet to explain to me why this payload and tow issue is important.

            Even you agree that most pickups are SUV and car alternatives.

            You talk of overloading by non business people, the “family guy”. But the people you speak of overloading are the ones that will most likely not overload.

            Why? Because they don’t have much to overload, remember the US pickup has more or less become a car with a BOF.

            Business people are people who more often than not overload. Farmers, construction and trade people, etc. They are the ones who will most likely overload before a family “car” is overloaded.

            Remember Ram has done well of late because it has catered to the consumer and what the consumer wants.

            Has Ford done this with the 2015 F-150? It might have the bling and is powerful and comfortable, but what about pricing.

            That is the biggest driver vehicle choice at the end of the day, not brand.

            How many people are really brand buyers. I do think this is overplayed. Again, I’m not stating some people do buy by brand.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @Big Al – WTF?

            I have to explain it again?

            O..K..A..Y

            The reason why tow and haul specs are important is because LEGALLY you can’t exceed those ratings unless you can convince a weighmaster to issue a one off permit or hire a SAE engineer to up your ratings.

            The other reason and the main one is safety. I see too many 1/2 ton pickups with poor cargo ratings towing 10k trailers with a family on board and a box FULL of gear.

            I worked as a Paramedic for over 20 years and I have seen firsthand the results of ignorant people getting into trouble due to having the wrong tool for the job.

            If one plays fast and loose with engineered limits it eventually will bite you in the “oz”. As an Aeronautical Engineer you of all people should understand that fact.

            My point IS and always HAS been about getting the right tool for the job.

            I quote YOU directly from your last post……..

            “Who cares who makes what vehile. So long as its good and fulfills your needs and wants.”

            WHAT THE F$CK IS THAT??????????

            That IS MY POINT.

            Match up ratings to fulfill your wants and needs.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @Big Al – I’ll try this again. TTAC’s Bott killed my reply to you.

            There are multiple reasons why I focus on tow and haul ratings.

            Safety i-s the main reason. I unfortunately see too many 1/2 ton trucks towing 10k trailers with a box full of gear and a crewcab full of passengers.

            20 years as a paramedic and I’ve seen first hand what happens when one ignores engineered limits. My dad owned a small trucking business. I saw the results of overloading there too.

            To quote you:

            ” So long as its good and fulfills your needs and wants.”

            If you don’t pay attention to tow and haul ratings how the h-e-l-l are you going to know if that vehicle will fulfill your needs or do what you want????

            I don’t give a s-h-!-t about a manufacturer’s max horsepower ratings, or max torque ratings, or max tow ratings or max haul ratings.

            I do care IF the truck in the lane next to me and my family can carry or tow what it has behind it or in it.

            My truck rates at 1480 cargo and 9,800 tow.

            THAT IS NOT close to max tow or haul for Ford but it meets my wants and needs 99% of the time.

            Am I clear or do I need to take Pch101’s advice and start ignoring everything you say?

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            “Am I clear or do I need to take Pch101’s advice and start ignoring everything you say?”

            The smart money is on Pch101’s advice, just sayin’

          • 0 avatar
            bomberpete

            Agree w/Lie2Me that you’re wasting your time.

            BAFO, Big Al or whatever he wants to be called knows he’s always right and you’ll never convince him otherwise.

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al from Oz

            @Lou_BC,
            I do understand and I do support your concern regarding overloading.

            But, why single out the Ram? What about a medium car? They are proportionally overloaded more than a Ram.

            How much weight can a Camry carry? Put 5, 250lbs adults in one and you have 1 750lbs.

            What about those minivans or CUVs, SUVs?

            This is far more disturbing than having a pickup with huge brakes, chassis and larger suspension and by proportion a lesser degree of overloading than what I’ve mentioned above.

            As for your belief in towing. Some with a half ton pickup do tow large weights. Again I’ll ask you as a percentage of the total pickups, what does this represent?

            Business owners will overload more so than a the daily hack.

            I really do think you are overplaying this tow, load issue.

            What’s Ford’s latest marketing phrase for the aluminium F-150?

            More load and tow capability.

            Good on you Lou.

            Your concern can be resolved by education and enforcement.

            Should all cars, because they can more easily be overloaded have a 4 000lbs load and a 10 000lb tow capability?

            It’s horses for course.

            Other than better safety standards on our new pickups, your paradigm is also stating our midsizers are safer than your full size trucks. Because we have the load and tow capability.

            I don’t think so.

            Lou, its a weak argument to use to continually chastise Ram.

          • 0 avatar
            rob123ma123

            Big Al and comment board:

            The country where the product is manufactured is of great importance when choosing a brand. If you live in the United States, you should purchase an American manufactured vehicle. This choice directly effects the prosperity of the economy, your state, and your neighbors. It creates jobs and every American autoworker job created sustains 9 other jobs in other industries respectively. Don’t think of it as benefiting ford or Chevy, think of the smaller parts companies in rural areas of Indiana, or Michigan, and many other states. A large lively hood depend on the parts contracts with the larger manufacturers like ford. Sometimes whole towns go under if a small parts factory closes cause everyone is buying Hondas or toyotas. This is basic economics and it is americans civic duty to buy and American made automobile and to buy American manufactured goods. It has to do w import/export factor of economy, every time you buy a Toyota or Honda or foreign car/truck, profits go over seas no matter if the factory is in Kentucky or here, think about your friends and neighbors and your future kids before buying a foreign automobile. Detroit nearly stopped being a functioning city due to the housing and auto industry, and given how dependent on the car we are, it makes no sense to buy a foreign car. I have a12 year old Ford Focus and it runs like a champ, you just take car of it and maintain it properly, so don’t give me that debate on quality or dependability, it’s all how u maintain the car. Ford F-150 will rival a Honda mileage wise any day and then keep running 20k longer than a Honda or Toyota. Wake up and understand basic economics, don’t debate me on the housing and auto industry just think about where we are now and our simple choices to consume American made goods will go a long way for our children and their children, prosperity wise.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @rob123ma123 – the official definitions of domestic and import hinge upon the soil the factory is built upon not the ground the flag of head office sits upon.

            We see wild fluctuations in what constitutes domestic content. There have been years where Ford F150 hasn’t even made the Top 10 list for domestic “READ USA” content.

            The location of the factory is the most important determinant of benefit to one’s country and the very definition of GDP is based upon domestic production.

            Are Ram HD pickups more “American” than Toyota Tundra?
            Is Ram HD more “American” than Ford HD based upon where their diesel engines are built?

            It isn’t all that simple.

            Do you shop at Walmart?

            Both of my vehicles are made in the USA:
            2010 Ford F150 and 2010 Toyota Sienna.

            Does that mean I am killing the economy by buying two foreign made vehicles?

            BTW, I’m Canadian.
            That means both are foreign made imports.

  • avatar
    Volt 230

    What is going on with these Honda sedans, if it weren’t for the CR-V, all their models would be down, is it the financing, the dealers, the unwillingness to make deals? It can’t be the product, can it?

    • 0 avatar
      bomberpete

      Accord is great but only doing OK in a crowded segment. They’d have to make fleet deals to get Camry numbers and Honda doesn’t roll that way.

      Perhaps Honda has to make the kind of deals they’ve held their noses at if they want to stay up there. Their dealers have always been arrogant on price but I don’t think that’s the issue.

      It’s not a great time for fuel-efficient sedans. The current Civic isn’t all that, and they have other product weaknesses. The Pilot isn’t so wonderful and isn’t going gangbusters. And who’s running out to get a little Fit in this market?

      • 0 avatar
        Timothy Cain

        They may also have pulled some sales forward late last year. Accord volume jumped by 12,516 in August, 7780 in September, and 1966 in October, before falling in November and December and rising only slightly in January (the lowest-volume month of the year).

  • avatar
    Volt 230

    Maybe their sales did drop but their profit margins may be higher than some of the others.

    • 0 avatar
      bomberpete

      That’s always been an important part of the Honda success formula. Taking it further, perhaps the margins on Acura must be good enough to make the mediocre sales profitable.

  • avatar
    SaulTigh

    I didn’t realize the Explorer sold so well.

  • avatar
    mictdxxx

    I bet in three years I can get a heck of a deal on a 2018 sierra or silverado when the 2019 aluminum GM trucks hit the lots.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      @mictdxxx – i read an article that stated that if it wasn’t for bankruptcy GM would of had an aluminum truck out 1 year before Ford.

      GM will go aluminum. They used to be considerably lighter than Ford and now are slightly heavier.

      • 0 avatar
        mictdxxx

        @Lou…..I read a similar article about the bankruptcy slowing the production of aluminum body trucks for GM. I’ve also been reading about how GM plans on the next models to be aluminum bodies, rumored to be coming by 2019……that’s probably when I’ll trade my 2006 sierra for a 2018. Truth is I like the current sierra models, squared wheel wells, steel body and all. I’m hoping for some awesome rebates on the last of the steel made trucks.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @mictdxxx – I bought a 2010 F150 when the 2011’s with their new engines were coming out. I got a great deal and statistically “end of model run” trucks tend to be the most reliable as all of the bugs have been worked out of them. Mine has been the most reliable truck I’ve ever owned and 3rd party data backs that up.
          I like the new Chevy’s and they would rank higher on my list than an aluminum F150. I’m not an early adopter.

  • avatar
    Wodehouse

    The Equinox and Cruze really have staying power, I see. They are the oldest vehicles on the list by a couple of years. Lots of incentives maybe and/or just good cars overall?

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