By on May 6, 2009

The Sebring/Avenger twins aren’t going out of production come the 2010 shutdown of the Sterling Heights plant where they are currently produced. Inside Line has it straight from the horses, er, mouth: Chrysler spokesman Rick Deneau.

Deneau: “We definitely have plans for these vehicles beyond December 2010. That’s about all I can tell you, but it’s pretty definitive.”

Inside Line: “They aren’t being killed?”

Deneau: “Nope, we have flexibility in our plants. We said [that] all along. You could build Sebrings and Avengers in Belvidere. I’m by no means trying to make a manufacturing statement. But we have plans for them beyond December 2010.”

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49 Comments on “And Now For The Worst Part . . ....”


  • avatar
    Runfromcheney

    I am praying that they said this because a redesigned version is coming in 2010. If not, god help us!

  • avatar
    Daddyof2

    Chrysler going bankrupt = Fail

    Chrysler keeping the Sebring/Avenger = Epic Fail

  • avatar
    eggsalad

    My last rental was an Avenger. I hated it before I got off the airport property. That’s pretty sad.

    My 25-year-old Volvo is nicer.

  • avatar
    Droid800

    We know a redesigned version of at least the Sebring is coming, could they do this at the plant switchover?

  • avatar
    Verbal

    If they redesign it, will they keep the ribbed-for-extra-pleasure hood?

  • avatar
    don1967

    Let’s start a pool.

    25 bucks says that their plans for these models beyond 2010 involve photoshopping some fake air scoops onto the hood which ultimately won’t make it to production.

  • avatar
    Shogun

    If they are going to give us a totally new generation of the Sebring/Avenger twins, then I don’t see what’s wrong with it.

    I wouldn’t be content, though, it they are just wasting their money on pointless facelifts.

  • avatar
    NickR

    The Sebring would actually look tolerable as wagon. And hold the ribs. If they include that in the redesign, it might be salvageable. It would have better success than the sedan and leave the chintzy sedan market to the Avenger.

    Funny, now that spring is here some of the classics are coming out of hiding. I pulled up beside a mint black 68 GTX (with a red stripe today). It looked elegant and muscular at the same time. And the 440 sounded awesome. Then I think of Chrysler today…sad.

  • avatar
    PeteMoran

    Here-in is the “Big Lie” regarding Ch11 (over Ch7) for Chrysler/Fiatsco.

    WTF are they going to be selling and to WHOM?????????????

  • avatar
    seabrjim

    Beyond 2010? Are they joking? Will they be given away, because I dont know if he noticed, but no ones buying them.

  • avatar
    tpandw

    I rent a number of cars a year and do so through National, which allows me to pick the car from the lot, so to speak, not one they assign me. Earlier this year I rented an Avenger, since the only others available were Malibus and Auras, and I’d already rented them. This Avenger had 8000 miles on it and was probably the worst car I’ve ever rented. It had no redeeming features, but did feature the worst interior and was generally the dorkiest thing I’ve ever seen–I was embarrassed be be seen in it, and I didn’t know a soul. And before someone protests that rental cars aren’t top of the line, I’m comparing this not with cars I own or have owned but others I’ve rented. If they’re continuing to produce these things they’re bankrupt regardless of what sleights-of-hand the administration and judge pull off. BTW, there’s an interesting piece in the on-line WSJ on this whole debacle in the ‘Mean Street’ series. Also both the WSJ and NYT have columns today not terribly kind toward Fiat.

  • avatar
    toxicroach

    If there’s ever a car that needed to be killed and replaced with a slightly different car with a different name, its the Sebring.

  • avatar

    Well, the government needs fleet cars, and the previous Stratus was wildly popular with the GSA and Army recruiter types. The Avenger and Sebring make the perfect G-rides. Bland, uninspired and soul-draining.

  • avatar
    Stu Sidoti

    Maybe they plan to build something a lot like this which is quite nice looking…but it will need a more traditional interior design, normally a severe weakness with Chrysler products.

    http://www.netcarshow.com/chrysler/2009-200c_ev_concept/

    However…judging by what I’ve seen so far of the new Grand Cherokee, maybe Chrysler has finally gotten their act together on their interior design quality.

    http://www.netcarshow.com/jeep/2011-grand_cherokee/

    Try this…you might like what you see; this is the online version of Interior Motives Chrysler Design Edition and I think it reflects well upon Chrysler Design’s re-invigorated commitment to designing better interiors. So if they can combine the exterior of the 200C concept with a competitive interior as well executed as the Grand Cherokee’s interior executions, they MIGHT just have a real winner on their hands.

    http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/356d3b27#/356d3b27/1

  • avatar
    Pig_Iron

    @Stu Sidoti

    Yes the 200C is much better, but they need quality, reliability, and the 6-speed auto. There’s no money for EV development now.

  • avatar
    Stu Sidoti

    @ Pig_Iron

    I don’t expect that a 200C styled sedan would be an EV. I would expect that it would be more traditionally powered, maybe even with FIAT power perhaps.

    However, with that said, Chrysler, BMW and GM are all collaborating on EV technology with the majority of the research being done by GM (Eflex) so Chrysler nor BMW really don’t have to invest a lot of money in EV technology as GM is doing the heavy lifting.

    As for quality, reliability, you are absolutely right, Chrysler has a lot of catching up to do…as for the 6-speed, FIAT makes the G365 6-speed that is available as a manual, a dual-clutch semi-automatic (paddle shift) and a full automatic…From what I’ve read, Chrysler can’t wait to get a hold of the G365 ASAP.

  • avatar
    John Horner

    Short term they probably have to keep it just to help with CAFE requirements if nothing else.

  • avatar
    zerofoo

    The Sebring and Avenger are gigantic piles of crap. Allowing this company to continue to manufacture these horrid vehicles is a textbook case of the “invisible hand”.

    Market forces should have killed these abominations by now. Thanks to our tax dollars, these rolling shit-stains will continue to foul our landscape.

    A curse on Fiatsler.

  • avatar
    akear

    Lets be honest the Malibu is not any better than the Sebring. I actually like the Sebring because it has a navigational screen and not useless OnStar. The Malibu has the better exterior, but the Sebring has a higher quality interior. I just don’t like GM switchgear. From the front view the Sebring looks better. It is just that tiny rear window on the side looks crunched up as if it were an afterthought.

  • avatar
    motownr

    200C is a go, and has been shown to tour groups at AH.

    The court proceedings indicate that Fiat is going to donate C & D segment platforms. Not sure of the timing on these.

  • avatar
    akear

    The 200c will fail on a fiat platform.

  • avatar
    hughie522

    Down Under you can buy an Avenger, a Sebring…heck, even a Sebring cabrio.

    But can you buy a Dodge Challenger?

    No.

    “The lunatics are running the asylum.” – with your money! :P

  • avatar
    ajla

    @hughie522:

    But you get the Commodore and Falcon!

  • avatar
    George B

    Maybe the Sterling Heights Chrysler plant will get hit by a tornado like the GM Oklahoma City plant 6 years ago.

    http://www.local2209.org/default100c.asp

    Was a passenger in a rental Avenger once. Even customers in former Eastern Block countries have better options today.

    John Horner, why would Chrysler worry about CAFE? The federal government would just be paying fines to themselves.

  • avatar
    JEM

    …and the shame of it is that as bad as these things are, they’re pretty average for Chrysler.

  • avatar
    Kman

    Told ya taxpayers aren’t getting their money back.

  • avatar
    Kman

    BTW, if you’re going to post a picture of a Sebring like that, at least warn us with a NSFW note or something.

    I dry-heaved as I scrolled down the site and saw it.

  • avatar
    Robert.Walter

    Plans after 2010 … OK.

    And until then??

    Permanently close SHAP and sell for remainder of 2009MY w/6000 clams on the hood to clear inventory?

  • avatar
    jurisb

    How come that a Korean Hyundai can make editors swoon over highly priced Equus, but a legendary Chrysler can`t sell a 15k Avenger even when the economy is collapsing? Quiet simple, Hyundai has expertize, which they have accumulated by building and engineering things, interestingly what expertize has Chrysler gained by replacing every shit they ever made by Mitsu parts and components? Zilch.A zilch expertize equals zilch competetivness and thus profitability.

  • avatar
    Ronman

    Not the Sebring/Avenger, anything but those two. Hey i got a brilliant idea. Why not get the Neon back under the Fiat Sienna platform. it should fit. that car was so understated it’s sad that it was killed. i think if they still had the neon in their line up, they would have survived last year’s oil spike in a much better form.

    but if Chrysler intend to carry on making cars with the same interiors as the ones they have today. FOGETABOUTIT they are history.

    one more thing about the sebring, if they start remaking the 2001 model, wouldn’t it sell better than the current ribbed version? i think it would.

  • avatar
    Brett Woods

    Pretty on top. Old rusting iron underneath. The product of visonless jobbers. We are at the end of an age.

  • avatar
    CPTG

    Going under because you’re building Cars that nobody wants: $15 Billion Dollars.

    Continuing to build the Number One Car in America that nobody wants: Priceless!!!

    OLD SCHOOL of BUSINESS 1A: Build a Great car (Madza Miata)that everyone wants—and you’ll sell a lot of them. Sell a lot of cars, you’ll make hella money. Make hella money and you will want to exand by hiring more workers and building factrories soas to build more cars that everyone wants and making hella money . The company grows, the economy grows, the nation prospers.

    Obama School of BUSINESS 1A: Continue building a shitty car (Sebring) that noone wants—and you won’t sell many of them. Don’t sell many cars—go to congress and cry for Tarp funding. Get Tarp funding and use it to ‘keep the lights on’ as well as pay titantic legacy costs that will cause you to lose money on building every shitty car that noone wants. The company loses money, the economy tanks and the nation slides into 3D world status.

    SideNote: Yesterday, I read a piece in the WSJ how Hollywood is outsourcing legal work to India (Bollywood Lawyers)who will write competent American briefs for a fraction of the price ($1k and its yours)—no $5K retainer, no 45% split, no $200.00 month file administration fee, no $300.00hr ‘legal expenses’, no popcorn (e.g., 10K copies of multiple briefs @ $1.00 page), no filing fees, overhead costs, etc.

    I have now pitched my lawfirm and going Indian. America no longer farms and American Manufacuring has long left American Shores. The only things we have remaining is Tobacco, Recreational Drugs and the service sector. Once the service sector goes under, we will be a nation of CONSUMERS ONLY!!!

    I predict America, as we know it, will scease to exist by 2020. CPTG

  • avatar
    f8

    Obama School of BUSINESS 1A: Continue building a shitty car (Sebring) that noone wants—and you won’t sell many of them. Don’t sell many cars—go to congress and cry for Tarp funding. Get Tarp funding and use it to ‘keep the lights on’ as well as pay titantic legacy costs that will cause you to lose money on building every shitty car that noone wants. The company loses money, the economy tanks and the nation slides into 3D world status.

    Yeah, that dastardly Obama and his plan to ruin America’s economy with handouts for various companies. Oh wait, the first 25 billion was given to the Big 3 by the Bush administration in November of 2008. I’m not even going into farmer subsidies, massive aid to airlines and Amtrack, and various other government assistance programs of the same nature as TARP that have nothing to do with Obama.

    The government also gave Chrysler $1.5 billion in 1980 to save it from bankruptcy. For some reason this did not lead to Communism and Red Chinese hordes marching down the streets of Everytown, USA or whatever it is you are afraid of.

  • avatar
    Kurt.

    I read the title of this piece and thought “Oh no, they are raising current taxes to cover all their spending.”

    But no, truley the worst part is that they will continue to build the Sebring!

  • avatar
    shaker

    Not to worry – Capitalism will return in our lifetimes, albeit with limits.

    It will have to – only taxes on the profits of healthy corporations and a well-off middle class will help to reduce the massive deficit and provide for the national defense.

    Keep in mind, though that unbridled capitalism of the past gave the gems such as the Sebring and Avenger (etc) and a collapsed housing market.

    In other words, “King” Obama is busting his ass to fix what’s wrong, and though some people are enjoying the missteps along the way, I think his aim is true.

  • avatar
    AKM

    What’s worse than an avenger? A tricked-out avenger with big rims and halogen headlights, driven by a guy who seemed to think he was in a super car. I laughed so hard I almost ran off the road.

  • avatar
    John R

    Really?? Chrysis does know this car is the joke of the industry, right??

  • avatar
    menno

    They could always saw the back off and call it “Gremlin”…

    Honesty in advertising?

    Heh heh.

  • avatar
    superbadd75

    Please, Chrysler, just die already. Please? I’ll give you a few more tax dollars to just go away and to ensure that you’ll never ask me for money ever again.

  • avatar
    GS650G

    Once again they assume there is a right to sales that doesn’t exist. How few units must be moved onto rental lots and government buildings before they admit these cars are nothing more than generic appliances.

    As taxpayers, we should expect the government to use GM Malibus, a better car overall.

  • avatar
    akear

    Who is for a redesign the Sebring contest. It would give photoshop and traditional artists here something to do.

    I used to like those Motor Trend design contests.

  • avatar
    windswords

    “The Avenger and Sebring make the perfect G-rides. Bland, uninspired and soul-draining.”

    So they are copying Toyota now?

    Stu and others,
    I’m not privy to Chrysler’s plans for the Sebring/Avenger but I will predict:
    A refresh will be done (this is normal for all cars)
    A new interior will be put in (as they did with the Patriot). After seeing their latest work in interiors (Ram, new GC, Patriot) I expect it will be a significant improvement.
    If built at Belvedere the Sebring/Avenger will be built in small numbers reflecting it’s reputation/sales. This is much better than devoting a whole factory to it.
    The new 200C will have the new Petastar (nee Phoenix) V6 as well as a FIAT sourced 4 banger and a FIAT sourced 6 speed auto and DCT. It may also be based off a FIAT platform but there will be changes. Think more like cousins than brothers (which is the relation with Mitsu for the Caliber/Sebring etc.). The 300 to Mercedes E-class is like your uncle’s cousin’s sister-in-law.

  • avatar
    bratam15

    Fisrt off Chrysler was killed by the Germans. I believe Chrysler/Fiat will redo the cars. New management will prevail. As for the comment about the Mazda Miata. Are you kidding? This car is a shit stain. My sister has one. What a Joke! Get back on your window licker bus.

  • avatar
    windswords

    akear:

    “Who is for a redesign the Sebring contest. It would give photoshop and traditional artists here something to do.”

    The contest is already over. It was won by the 200C.

  • avatar
    Mr. Sparky

    Now I’m mad. I had no problem spending billions of tax dollars if it meant ridding America’s roadways of Sebrings and Avengers.

    There is NO JUSTICE!

    Oh well, Saturns just going to take up the slack with all those Vel Satises:)

  • avatar
    ohsnapback

    I rented a 2007 Sebring for a weekend in Minnesota and it wasn’t nearly as bad, in any respect, and the ‘abominable’ reviews I read about.

    I’d rather have that car than a Pontiac G6 or Ford Fusion base, in fact.

    Both the G6 and base Ford Fusion have interior materials that are actually worse, along with NVH levels that are worse, than the Sebring.

  • avatar

    akear: In what world is the Sebring interior better than a Malibu? I had a rental Sebring convertible and a rental Malibu, the Sebring’s interior was a hodgepodge of colors and textures, while the Malibu had a coherent design and some actual style. From the outside I liked everything about the Malibu but the rear end.

    The Sebring convertible I drove was not a piece of crap, but I would never buy one for myself. As a rental it’s fine, and there-in lies the problem.

  • avatar
    moedaman

    The government also gave Chrysler $1.5 billion in 1980 to save it from bankruptcy. For some reason this did not lead to Communism and Red Chinese hordes marching down the streets of Everytown, USA or whatever it is you are afraid of.

    What the hell are you talking about? The government didn’t give Chrysler any money or get any equity in the company or give equity away to anyone else. The government did guarantee the loans that Chrysler received back then and Chrysler paid those loans off. Not at all like what is happening today.

  • avatar
    geeber

    f8: Oh wait, the first 25 billion was given to the Big 3 by the Bush administration in November of 2008.

    After consulting with President-elect Obama, who didn’t want to deal with a GM and Chrysler bankruptcy on the first day of his job. He fully endorsed the original government bailout.

    f8: The government also gave Chrysler $1.5 billion in 1980 to save it from bankruptcy.

    The federal government didn’t give Chrysler a dime in the 1980s. It backed loan guarantees – if Chrysler couldn’t pay off its loans, the government promised to do so. Otherwise, no sane lender would have given Chrysler a loan at that time.

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