QOTD: Wishing for Something Grander?

Steph Willems
by Steph Willems

Big Jeep day yesterday, wasn’t it? Hoo boy. The off-road brand tempted buyers not just with a plug-in hybrid Wrangler, but also a taste of what’s to come in the full-size segment.

The Grand Wagoneer Concept, which closely mirrors a production vehicle we can expect next summer, generated an instant reaction from TTAC chatroom denizens — not all of it favorable. Far from it, in fact. Looking at this hulking, three-row SUV with ultra-premium aspirations, what would you do to turn a B into an A+?

Generally, the reaction here was that the Grand Wagoneer Concept was more “meh” than expected, with rear-end real estate that seemed to borrow too heavily from the largest Ford Motor Company SUVs. Something seemed just a little off.

Of course, we weren’t the only ones to air such opinions; the Twittersphere served up a bevy of similar observations, though the online reaction was generally more positive than this writer would have guessed. It’s a big, body-on-frame Jeep, after all, so at its core the Grand Wagoneer Concept is difficult to dislike — unless you’re the kind of person who spends your day bitching and moaning about Ford committing ecocide by not fielding a hybrid Bronco right out of the gate.

Maybe our quibbles about design decisions warrant no ear time from Jeep. Maybe it’s just the segment and the badge that count; styling be damned. Fault can be found in Ford and General Motors’ biggest products, too, yet they remain healthy and resilient in the sales department.

But let’s turn this issue — and vehicle — loose on you, dear readers. Looking over the Grand Wagoneer Concept, what changes would you make before putting this thing into production?

[Image: Fiat Chrysler Automobiles]

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  • Tstag Tstag on Sep 05, 2020

    The Grand Wagoneer looks too much like a Mini Van or Estate car. That’s a shame because the interior pretty good. But that may not be enough. In the next 12 months there will be a new Range Rover and Range Rover Sport to compete with and if Land Rover were really really smart, they’d make an Estate version with 7 seats just to drop Jeep in it....

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    • DenverMike DenverMike on Sep 05, 2020

      Except it's fresh meat in a segment or class with very limited choices. Or not very good ones.

  • Inside Looking Out Inside Looking Out on Sep 05, 2020

    My opinion is the same - call it Imperial, V12 and update interior with first class premium materials.

  • Probert They already have hybrids, but these won't ever be them as they are built on the modular E-GMP skateboard.
  • Justin You guys still looking for that sportbak? I just saw one on the Facebook marketplace in Arizona
  • 28-Cars-Later I cannot remember what happens now, but there are whiteblocks in this period which develop a "tick" like sound which indicates they are toast (maybe head gasket?). Ten or so years ago I looked at an '03 or '04 S60 (I forget why) and I brought my Volvo indy along to tell me if it was worth my time - it ticked and that's when I learned this. This XC90 is probably worth about $300 as it sits, not kidding, and it will cost you conservatively $2500 for an engine swap (all the ones I see on car-part.com have north of 130K miles starting at $1,100 and that's not including freight to a shop, shop labor, other internals to do such as timing belt while engine out etc).
  • 28-Cars-Later Ford reported it lost $132,000 for each of its 10,000 electric vehicles sold in the first quarter of 2024, according to CNN. The sales were down 20 percent from the first quarter of 2023 and would “drag down earnings for the company overall.”The losses include “hundreds of millions being spent on research and development of the next generation of EVs for Ford. Those investments are years away from paying off.” [if they ever are recouped] Ford is the only major carmaker breaking out EV numbers by themselves. But other marques likely suffer similar losses. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fords-120000-loss-vehicle-shows-california-ev-goals-are-impossible Given these facts, how did Tesla ever produce anything in volume let alone profit?
  • AZFelix Let's forego all of this dilly-dallying with autonomous cars and cut right to the chase and the only real solution.
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