Piston Slap: How Reliable Are Reliability Indexes?

by Sajeev Mehta

Updated: October 18th, 2019 Published: January 24th, 2017

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Brian writes:Hi there — I’ve been doing a lot of research (Googling) as of late to truly understand car reliability. I’ve been reading through sites like Carcomplaints.com, Truedelta.com, Consumer Reports, JD Power, specific car model forums, etc. What I really want to is, how accurate is this information? For example, you can look on Car Complaints and see that some models have awful reliability, but then you dig into it and realize it’s only five reported incidences of the same problem. And then you look at other websites that barely mention this particular problem.So what gives? Even if it is a major problem, what are the chances you would end it up with it if you bought that particular model and year?Sajeev answers:I hope the accuracy you desire from reliability indexes isn’t expected in my response!Remember, vehicles are not a typical widget rated as a single element. They are Russian Nesting Doll widgets with more layers than a skyscraper packed with croissants. The sheer number of fail points (triggering a customer concern) is mind-numbing. And not every “skyscraper” is the same: mid-cycle improvements, part number changes/upgrades, trim level changes, software updates, etc. mean it’s physically impossible to get this right.Then again, faith shall be restored when these data sources go into a reliability index:

Manufacturer recall and TSB data
Short Term Customer Satisfaction data from third party information sources (like JD Power)
In-warranty repair and part number interchange and supersession data from manufacturers. (Honda, Toyota, Nissan, GM, Ford, etc)
Post-warranty repair data from all franchised dealerships and independent repair facilities. (Sears Auto, Goodyear, Firestone, etc)
Inventory churn rate from major auto parts manufacturers (Bosch, BWD, Denso, etc) and auto recyclers. (Car-Part.com, LKQ)
Keyword density or Word Cloud analytics on all automobile forums and major social media websites (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc.)

There’s the full spectrum, literally from cradle to grave. With months of tech geek labor to get these databases talking to each other, and countless formulas filtering all this data into a single year/make/model, you can see the lifetime repair cost of any vehicle. Maybe Watson‘s up for the gig.Getting all that data, especially from car and component manufacturers? Not likely.What say you, Best and Brightest?Send your queries to sajeev@thetruthaboutcars.com. Spare no details and ask for a speedy resolution if you’re in a hurry…but be realistic, and use your make/model specific forums instead of TTAC for more timely advice. [Image: Shutterstock user welcomia]

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WRC555 on Jan 24, 2017

My True Delta garage had only uncommon vehicles. WRX, 92-X, Accord Hybrid V6. So I get multiple hounding Emails. Now I have added a Forester XT, I am doing my part making the results less skewed toward the enthusiast side.

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APaGttH on Jan 25, 2017

The data doesn't matter, we saw that in the G8 GT story. Because the Piston Slap writer and Bark responding to the question had bad experiences with the G8 GT, the car must be a piece of crap. When it was presented that JD Power long term, True Delta, and Consumer Reports all indicate the 09 G8 GT has almost top of the pile reliability from all three surveys, the response was, "LOLZ." Literally. So let your personal bias fly, that's what matters. VWs are as reliable as a rock, if you believe that replacing ignition coils at 30K miles is standard maintenance and if burning enough oil to almost be a diesel engine from new are marks of reliability. GM is hopelessly lousy for reliability because a GM will run badly than most vehicles will run at all. Honda's are of course perfect, if you ignore seat belts that don't let you out, self-destructing 5-speed automatics, airbags that kill you, and a litany of issues with recent product releases like the Civic. Hey man, it's a Honda. Nothing beats BMW reliability if you believe replacing the entire front suspension of a vehicle is normal maintenance (well admittedly at SOME POINT it is) and exploding fuel pumps are normal. You can go on and on. We live in a universe of #alternatefacts and none of these sources know what you're talking about. So ask your friend, ask your neighbor, and don't dare do any real objective research which might go against your bias. LOLZ

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