By on April 24, 2013

Meet Brad, Sheena, and Nacho! They are in “the midst of a life-defining campaign to travel around the world”. But they’re afraid to enter Pakistan. Apparently they thought they could travel around the world without visiting any scary places, presumably because their parents didn’t buy them any Jules Verne books. They’d rather drive through China and maybe hang with our Editor-in-chief a little bit, who knows. The cost for that little unplanned detour is nearly twenty thousand dollars. That’s where you come in — helping them make their life-defining campaign as safe and easy as possible.

What? You’re not eager to do this?

When Autoblog scribe and all-around good guy Zach Bowman decided to write “Help A Couple Drive Their 1984 Vanagon Around The World” he probably didn’t expect that his readers would cover all of Brad/Sheena/Nacho’s expenses. But what he really didn’t expect was the unrelenting stream of vitriol and contempt directed at the dream-vacationing couple and their twee-named Vanagon. One of the more even-handed comments sums up the general reaction:

I know I’m echoing others here but really?! They’ve gone travelling around the world, something most of us can only dream of, and have realised they didn’t budget enough? Oops. Nice idea but in today’s economic climate, from a UK perspective a climate that is actually pricing poorer families off the road, they’ve come cap in hand to continue their journey.

It’s a brilliant idea and I wish them all the luck in the world. But begging for money, so you can go gallivanting around China, in a world where people go to sleep hungry every night is slightly tasteless in my opinion.

Other people have rather hilariously suggested that Brad and Sheena, but presumably not Nacho, engage in Pakistani prostitution to cover the tab. The tone of the discussion has apparently caused Mr. Bowman to repeatedly delete comments he finds to be offensive — and if you’ve read AB, you know that doesn’t happen very often.

The video made by Brad to encourage would-be contributors doesn’t exactly improve matters; he complains about having to eat “unidentifiable food” during his extended vay-cay and refers to the $19,000-plus bounty he expects the Internet to shower upon him as “your part in the adventure”. He also promises to write a second book about Nacho’s trip, which given the quality of his video could be plausibly seen to actually be a threat.

While Mr. Bowman is saddened at the Autoblog response to Nacho’s travails, I find it almost impossible to believe he thought it would be any other way. In an era where most young people can’t find work of any type, these two loons quit their jobs to travel the world and expect that somehow the working stiffs left behind at the McDonald’s fry counters and call centers of flyover country will unhesitatingly fund their cowardice. They deserve to be ridiculed using every means at the Internet’s disposal.

In the spirit of friendship, however, I’ll extend a slightly different offer. If Brad, Sheena, and Nacho screw their courage to the sticking-place and drive all the way through Pakistan, I’ll buy a retail-priced copy of any book that honestly details that portion of their trip. Otherwise, I’m afraid that “my part” of their adventure will consist of laughing at their presumption.

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137 Comments on “Autoblog Readers Aren’t Excited About Paying For Hipster Vay-Cay...”


  • avatar

    They should have figured out how to get this set up on Kickstarter before they left. People will hand over $300,000 for comic books there.

    • 0 avatar
      Bowler300

      From the AB article: “..they’ve fired up a Kickstarter to pay their way through China. Pledge some cash and you’ll receive any number of excellent thank-yous, including a book all about Nacho’s adventures along the old Silk Road through China, Tibet and into India. We can’t think of a better way to spend a few dollars. Head over to Kickstarter to help out…”

      • 0 avatar
        Tomifobia

        I can think of several better ways to spend my money: Texas explosion victims, Boston terrorism victims, Midwest flood victims, lottery tickets…

        • 0 avatar
          David Hester

          Exactly.

        • 0 avatar
          Tinker

          Paying my car payment, paying medical bills, paying for lunch, etc.

        • 0 avatar
          MeaCulpa

          Beer, Amarone, Feeding the poor, Hookers the list goes on.

        • 0 avatar
          Brad van Orden

          That’s the beauty of crowdfunding: if you don’t like the project, you don’t have to support it. It’s all entirely voluntary, and the success of a project will depend on whether or not enough people think it’s viable. As with all Kickstarter projects, supporters get rewards based on their contribution level. I personally think it’s a really cool system, but then again I come from the world of business startups, for which creative funding solutions are the norm, and things like this don’t incite such outrage and disgust.

          • 0 avatar
            jz78817

            this, precisely. sometimes I think the Internet Hate Machine gets out of hand.

            1) it’s not like they’re asking *you* to give them $19,000

            2) donors are getting *something* in return

            3) yes there are “better things to spend my money on,” but one could say the same thing about the beer I buy on Friday or the graphics card I have in my PC.

            if you don’t like it, don’t support it. Nobody’s actually weighing whether they spend their money on a kickstarter fund or making their car payment. Just shut up and understand that nobody cares how loudly you can call something stupid.

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            In other narcissism news, Donald Trump stared at his penis for 25 minutes this morning…

          • 0 avatar
            dolorean

            thelaine, one of the best comments EVAH!

          • 0 avatar
            brettc

            I’d do the same if I had an orange wang. It would be slightly worrisome.

          • 0 avatar

            I gotta compliment thelaine on the absolutely wonderful comment–my best laugh of the week so far!–despite the fact that dolorean beat me to it. Way to go guys!

  • avatar
    Car Guy

    First time poster here at TTAC. I was a vocal objector over at that “other site” for them promoting this outrageous plea to fund some stranger’s vacation. What’s worse, is Bowman spent the better part of the day slamming the readers in the comment section for objecting to them choosing to run the story. The whole thing was handled poorly and the readers were treated like garbage. I’ve written them off after this latest display of nonsense. TTAC is now my go-to site for daily updates. Keep up the good work Jack.

    • 0 avatar
      redav

      “The whole thing was handled poorly and the readers were treated like garbage.”

      Isn’t that Autoblog’s business model?

      • 0 avatar
        Car Guy

        They really crossed the line this time and I’ve never seen an AB writer act so abusive towards the readers. Bowman chimed in on multiple posts and really bashed the users. The most inflammatory of his posts have since been deleted but the regular readers all saw what happened. It was completely unprofessional and if I was in charge over there he would no longer be on my staff………

    • 0 avatar
      Piston Slap Yo Mama

      Josephine and Frederik drove their hooptie Land Cruiser across the f’ing CONGO, arguably one of the most dangerous places … in the worrrrld. And they wrote an amazing travelogue here: http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/50799-Democratic-Republic-of-Congo-Lubumbashi-to-Kinshasa that you can read for FREE. I really, really respect their fortitude and kick ass persistence in the face of death defying adversity.
      Think of their adventure as the antidote to this hipster frippery. Budget an entire afternoon or more to read it.

  • avatar
    Halftruth

    Right. The only time these d-bags take note of anyone else besides themselves is when they are in need.. As hard as it will be, I will have to pass.. but oh how it pains me so.. please.

  • avatar
    Summicron

    I’d pay to see them go through Pakistan, too.

    Oops, sorry Ms. Amanpour, I meant Pahh-ki-stahhn.

    • 0 avatar
      michal1980

      Pakistan isn’t dangerous enough for me to give anyone money to travel through.

      Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, Libya, North Korea, etc.

      go there, I might consider it.

      Still probably wouldn’t give a dime though. You went on vacation. You figure out how to pay for it, or if the cash is out, go home.

      • 0 avatar
        Summicron

        You’re right… Afghanistan, Iran…etc.

        But I’m not into seeing women, children or pets suffer (whichever Nacho is) so bail them out and let McBrad try his luck alone. I’d chip in for that.

        • 0 avatar
          stuki

          Women, children and pets suffer and die everyday. Many of them through much less fault of their own than these ones.

          I thought Nacho was the VW. Most hipsters name their cars, humanizing them; otherwise, they’d only be these horrible gas guzzling things produced by evil corporations.

      • 0 avatar
        Brad van Orden

        Hi Michal,

        In fact, our original plan (if we don’t end up going through China) is to go through Pakistan and Iran. Iran is actually quite safe to drive through, but as of late Pakistan is experiencing some troubles for foreign travelers. And I suggest you read my long post below, where it explains about how we actually did pay for this entire trip ourselves, and still have 2 years of funding left. Going through China isn’t a part of the original plan, so it’s not in the budget. If our campaign fails, we’ll not go through China. It’s all spelled out below. For some reason people keep getting the idea that we don’t have enough money to finish our trip. What we’re doing is the very reason crowdfunding exists. Some people, I am learning, just don’t seem to like the idea of crowdfunding all together. Thanks for not being quite as hateful as the others on here. Even though you guys are choosing to be anonymous, your comments are still hurtful.

        • 0 avatar
          Summicron

          “your comments are still hurtful.”

          Stop… you’re already funny enough.

        • 0 avatar
          Tomifobia

          “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.”

          Remember those words when you’re driving through some impoverished town in Iran or Pakistan and a young man gets pissy at a couple of privileged white westerners and lobs a rock through your windshield.

          • 0 avatar
            OldandSlow

            Tomifobia – I’ll bet dollars to donuts that these folks won’t be driving through Pakistan.

            With regards to most everyday folks in Iran – you’d be shocked to learn that the local hospitality to Americans traveling in remote places by average Iranians is quite the opposite of what you’d expect.

            In short – there are good Samaritans even in places where their governments are hostile to the US.

        • 0 avatar
          Kyree S. Williams

          Mister van Orden,

          I’m not anonymous, but I’m also not rude. It was your prerogative to go on a world-adventure, and it was your prerogative to crowdsource it. I don’t find it tasteless to ask for funding when there are starving people in the world, because it’s no more frivolous than the forms of entertainment people regularly engage in…as opposed to sending their money to charities or disaster-relief organizations. In fact, this journey seems to have far more significance than that movie someone went to (as opposed to making a donation to Red Cross) or that restaurant they went to (as opposed to handing their money to a homeless person). It’s unfortunate that rather than people simply voting for or against your cause with their wallets, they also have to one-up each other for venomous comments. I’ve not read the article or seen any of the comments, but realize that the Internet—with its endless collection of screen-names and online-profiles—is a breeding-ground for voiced opinions, and not all of them are nice.

          Oh, and if you did in fact retaliate to some of the readers with rude comments, at least you weren’t so cowardice that you hid behind a screen-name…

        • 0 avatar

          “Iran is quite safe to drive through… ”

          Do you sometimes forget that you’re an American?

          Also: I’m not anonymous; googlelulz me sometime.

        • 0 avatar
          thelaine

          It’s not the crowd funding people are finding repulsive, Prince Valiant.

      • 0 avatar
        grinchsmate

        Iran really is quite safe. Iranians are famously hospitable.

        I have met very few Iranians who cant distinguish between American imperialism and an American person, just like most Americans don’t treat Iranians like shit because they have a stupid government. Of course if you go there acting like a dickhead they aren’t going to take to you, but that’s an international trait not an Iranian one

      • 0 avatar
        glwillia

        Pakistan is a hell of a lot more dangerous than Iran or North Korea, assuming you have the proper paperwork for the latter two places.

  • avatar
    OldandSlow

    I saw this one yesterday and stopped reading after the only the first few paragraphs.

    Honestly, as the owner of 71 VW Westphalia – I immediately was taken aback by their naivety. A vintage VW Bus – which in this case is a wasserboxer – will need work more often than I’m up for on a continental trek over hill and rutted dale.

    Personally, I’d want to be at the wheel of a Hilux or a Tacoma – with a light weight slide in, pop up camper on the back end for such an arduous journey.

    • 0 avatar
      Brad van Orden

      It’s not for everyone, OldandSlow, but we’re having a good time of it. We’ve had a lot of mechanical issues on the road, but confronting them has led to many great stories. Our transmission failing in the remote mountains of Colombia turned into the most meaningful experience of our whole trip so far. As a Westy owner, I’m sure you’d appreciate these things. Better to read about some naive person doing it than to try yourself I guess, right? Remember, I’m a real person, and there’s no reason to be rude. Even though I don’t know you, being put down by a fellow Westy owner is no fun. Wishing you the best with your van and your travels.

      • 0 avatar
        OldandSlow

        Earlier this morning I showed off your 84 Vanagon to one of my coworkers and stated that I’m glad that someone out there was still willing to make this type of journey.

        With that said, I meant what I said by mentioning my preference would be to be behind the wheel of a Toyota truck. I’ve driven VW Buses for the past 39 years and know first hand the toll of prolong driving on unpaved roads. The tight squeeze around the local autobus or overloaded truck on a mountain road is breath taking, isn’t it?

        Sourcing a Vanagon transaxle must have been a hurry up and wait. At least you got to know the locals real well.

        I’m no longer doing the Chiapas, Belize, Guatemala or the Pacific coast runs west of Guadalaja – but the 71 Bus will be doing a 3500 mile run in the Rockies next month. I’m waiting for the last of winter to end. I carry spares, a full set of tools, an aluminum floor jack and know my parts people by first name for when I need a FedEx shipment to meet up with me.

        Good luck on your travels through Central Asia.

      • 0 avatar
        thelaine

        I’m glad that you are having meaningful experiences dude. Learning about meaning through natives is one the most meaningful experiences you can learn. And yet, it all happened your van broke down. So, on the one hand, having your van break down was bad, but on the other hand, if it hadn’t, a willing native never could have given you a meaningful experience. Wow bro. I get it. You guys are fascinating. The real question is, who WOULDN’T give you money? It’s really an investment in me. Please keep writing about yourselves and also the natives, to the extent they are meaningful.

  • avatar
    Eyebolt

    The first thing that I thought when I read this was…”Really? You think that if I’m going to give money away that it’s going to be to these two?”

    Let me help pay for your adventure? I’m sorry, but if I’m going to pay for someone’s “adventure” they better at least be doing something worthwhile. I have friends working with children born with AIDS in South Africa, I would gladly send them money over sending cash to a couple of hipsters in a van trying to write a story.

    • 0 avatar
      VenomV12

      Exactly, if they were doing missionary work or something of value I would have no problem helping them, but they are just gallivanting around the world and want us to pay for it.

      • 0 avatar
        Kyree S. Williams

        Value is a subjective thing. Not everything of value involves disease-eradication missions. And while Mister van Orden’s journey doesn’t meet your definition of value, but that doesn’t make it any less worthwhile of an endeavor.

  • avatar
    Doom

    The needed to do their homework, and see past attempts at this. One of the better blogs (check it out) was transworldexpedition.com

    If they had seen this they would have had a better idea of what it costs to make such a trip, and the boat arrangements he made to get past Pakistan and other countries.

    Also, he did careful analysis and selected a Toyota Land Cruiser based on its general global availability of parts since they are most everywhere. Also tricked it out with extra power, refrigeration, rooftop camper, and more.

    Though it was a couple years ago, its still an intriguing read as he had mechanical issues along the way, as well as his trials and travails at getting the proper paperwork to pass through the countries, including cartage requirements for his vehicle in certain places.

  • avatar
    Brad van Orden

    Hi, this is Brad from your article. Upon first reading this, I wished to call you to ask why you thought it appropriate or necessary to make a spiteful attack on us for living our dream, while giving little to no back story on what this whole campaign is all about. However, I was unable to find your contact info. It borders on “Fox News” in its bias. But I’m not here to fight, I just want a chance to defend myself and my wife. I suggest that your readers go and check out our blog to get to know us before you believe what you read in this our-of-context article.

    The discussion about our life choice made quite a stir on Autoblog, so I posted the following points to clear up misinformation that was passed around by anonymous commentators.

    1. “These are rich/spoiled kids who have been spoon fed all their lives.”
    One of you claims to have done research on us, and found out that our entire lives – from bike racing, to living in Europe, to work vacations – was somehow funded by our parents. Sorry, we worked for every cent. Our five week European vacation? Sheena’s engagement ring? This trip? All us. Our parents are just regular Joes.

    2. “They exercised poor planning and are now stuck/broke.”
    Most of you have inferred that we exercised poor planning, and have somehow run out of money on the other side of the Earth. If this were true, I would be writing hate mail to myself too. But you’ve misunderstood. We diligently saved enough money for a 3 year overland circumnavigation of the globe. We outlined our savings plan on our website in order to show people that it’s possible to do it yourself. In our budgeting process, we knew (yes, about three years ago we knew) that we would not be able to go through China due to the cost. Instead we planned to ship from Thailand to India, and then to drive through Pakistan and Iran, or else ship again to Turkey. This was the plan, and it is still the plan if our crowdsource funding project doesn’t succeed.

    Are we out of money? No, we still have enough money to drive for another 2 years; enough time to get us safely back home.

    Are we stuck with no way out? No. Our original plan still holds, and we can do it under our own funding.

    3. So, why then are we trying to raise $25k through Kickstarter if we already have enough money to complete our around the world drive with our own money? Let me explain. Over the last year, we’ve had some pretty crazy experiences along the Pan-Am highway. We put a lot of time and effort into doing a good job of writing about these experiences, and putting them out on our blog (for free) to entertain our readers and give them a vicarious travel experience. About once per week, someone makes a comment that they can’t wait for us to write a book about it. This was the motivation for our first book, which I’m currently finishing up.

    We decided that a route through China and Central Asia would be really good follow up book, so we started this project to see if we could get it funded. If people don’t think it’s worth it, it won’t get funded and we’ll stick with our original plan.

    I would urge you to keep these in mind, and remember that we’re regular people trying to live the dream. If you don’t like our plan, please abstain from donating.

    Kind regards,
    Brad

    • 0 avatar
      S. Chaudhry

      Brad,

      It’s not about abstinence from donation as much as it is about asking for a handout in the first place. Listen, you possess the resources, as you say, to carry out the original plan. You can write about it on your free-to-access blog, which will reach numerous people and enrich their lives instead of only those of a few if a book is made. I was born in Pakistan. I grew up in Pakistan. Not only is it a beautiful country, it is also full of hospitable and genuinely good-natured citizens you will be happy to have met along the way. Why don’t you write about that? Good luck.

      Best,
      Saad Chaudhry.

    • 0 avatar
      Flipper35

      If you put as much thought an attention to detail in your book as you did your post here I am sure it will be every bit as irrelevant. Copy and paste is not your friend, it makes you look lazy. Though if you didn’t copy your reply from the other article (I haven’t read it) then you have some issues you may want to work through.

      By the way, I am traveling from Washington state to Maine and am writing a book about it. I was all set and I am within my budget but would like to detour through Texas instead of Minnesota but that will cause me to be a little short. Care to send some money my way to cover the detour? I don’t eat at the fancy restaurants and my car takes 87 octane so it isn’t like I am being all extravagant. I will send you a copy of the book when it comes out. I also have a blog you can check out.

    • 0 avatar
      Power6

      Fair enough, you are offering to go through China if a crowd wants to fund it.

      I guess I and maybe others object to the personal benefit, are you running this as a non-profit? what if you don’t write a book about it, what if that book sucks? You are putting the risk on the funders, but none of the benefit, unless you will be re-distributing wealth from book royalites to the funders…

      You need a lesson perhaps in monetizing the value that you think you are bringing…

      Also that wasserboxer is going to break, the others that do this sort of thing go Bostig Zetec ;-)

    • 0 avatar
      lzaffuto

      If you take your begging for vacation money to the public forum people will take their criticism of it to the public forum. Responding with no shame and a sense that you are entitled to this money is not helping your case. If I were begging complete strangers for money it would only be to survive, and then I would still be embarrassed about it and at least be humble when going about the request.

    • 0 avatar
      Ryoku75

      If you’re really taking an old Vanagon out for this “journey” I can only assume that your book will have many chapters, most having to do with getting the thing up a hill.

    • 0 avatar
      lastwgn

      “Borders on Fox News in its bias.”

      Seriously Brad? I guess you have just revealed your bias. I assume you are one that believes MSNBC, NBC, ABC, NY Times, have no bias.

      If you want to be taken seriously, then be serious in your wording. What you should have simply stated was that you “feel the original article posted by TTAC was biased in its coverage, and you would like to clear up some of the perceived bias and misconceptions.”

      And honestly, many, many people believe that those who feel Fox News is biased are themselves so biased the other direction that they cannot see straight to understand what true bias is.

      • 0 avatar
        Hummer

        “And honestly, many, many people believe that those who feel Fox News is biased are themselves so biased the other direction that they cannot see straight to understand what true bias is.”

        Exactly what I was thinking, I stopped reading there, and you can tell he is one of those that believe everything their told without questioning. Regardless of your political views, such a statement is completely ignorant.

        I actually wasn’t fully decided on what I thought about this, but this sealed the deal, complete lack of intelligence.

    • 0 avatar
      azmtbkr81

      How about looking for work locally to earn money to support the trip? Your cred would remain intact and you’d probably have some great experiences to write about in your book.

      I had a cousin who worked for a few months as a handyman at a monastery in Romania when he ran out of money on an around the world trip; he says it was one of the most memorable parts of the journey.

    • 0 avatar
      chrishs2000

      I was searching around the website http://www.drivetheamericas.com, and found this travel profile for “Johnny & Patricia Wanda”:

      “Reason for taking this trip: To accomplish a dream, become better people, and stop at orphanages in every country to buy toys and supplies for the children.”

      Wow! What a worthy trip that is going to really enrich the lives of other people and will enable Johnny and Patricia to make a lot of everlasting human connections. I would give money to them!

      What is your similar entry in this category?

      “The idea was borne of coincidence, an unsettling feeling of complacency, and a festering itch for adventure.

      You know that feeling you get when everything is going fine? That’s pretty much the way things had been for a long while. Good jobs, pleasant town, vacation. Rinse. Repeat. Then in 2008 a good friend of ours went down in an avalanche and never came up. On the way home from his funeral we decided that we shouldn’t wait until retirement age to do what we love. It’s cliché to say “life is short”, but it’s true nonetheless.

      A year later I was standing at my desk when Steve walked by my window. Steve is a happy guy who drives a Volkswagen hippy bus. As he passed I blurted out the first thing that came into my head: “Hey Steve, let’s drive your van to Tierra del Fuego.” He paused for a second, and then without blinking said “I don’t think so” and continued on his way. A minute later he sent me a link to an article about a couple who drove their VW camper van through the Americas and Africa. I took one look at the article’s title, and quickly sent it on to Sheena, along with the question “Want to do this?” She immediately responded with “Yes.””

      So let me get this straight: you are taking this trip because your friend died, you and your wife were bored with your lives, and you’re impulsive. Why would I possibly give money to that?!?

      Sorry, but this just makes you sound like a selfish a-hole. This makes sense, because you probably are a selfish a-hole! There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that; I am too! But the difference is that I’m not asking people for money.

    • 0 avatar

      Brad,

      “Upon first reading this, I wished to call you to ask why you thought it appropriate or necessary to make a spiteful attack on us for living our dream, while giving little to no back story on what this whole campaign is all about.”

      Yes, how dare Mr. Baruth write about you and your business venture (that’s what a book project is, a business venture) without acting like your publicity agent?

      Campaign? You’re taking a trip around the world, not devoting yourself to a cause. Don’t be so full of yourself.

      Some people just take themselves entirely too seriously.

      It’s my dream to write a book about using an Aston Martin Vanquish as a daily driver for a year. I promise to send you an autographed copy of the book when I write it if you help pay for my Aston now. I just want to live my dream. Deal?

      “However, I was unable to find your contact info.”

      It took me just a few seconds on Google and Whitepages.com to find out Jack’s mailing address. Alternatively, if you go up to the top of the page here at TTAC you’ll find a link to a Contact form which would have been forwarded to Mr. Baruth. No, I think you had no interest in actually talking to Jack, you just wanted to cut and paste something you wrote someplace else without bothering to address any of the actual points he raised in this post.

      By the way, I’m not really sure that you want to talk to Jack. He doesn’t suffer fools gladly.

      “It borders on “Fox News” in its bias.”

      How often do you watch Fox News to know how biased it is or it isn’t? “Fox News” is a shibboleth that you toss out to demonstrate your political bone fides.

      If “Fox News” is an example of your original writing or your original thinking, I think I’ll pass on your blog and your book. I don’t have anything against trekkers, a couple of years ago I put a post up here at TTAC about two Norwegian families doing the Oslo>Los Angeles>Oslo trip in a couple of Renault 4 cars. I just don’t find that people who write things like “Fox News” generally have much worthwhile to say.

      “But I’m not here to fight,”

      No passive aggression here, no, none at all.

      “I just want a chance to defend myself and my wife.”

      How chivalrous!

      It’s too bad your route isn’t taking you through Jerusalem. You could say “Hi” to my brother for me.

      • 0 avatar
        USAFMech

        Well, would you look at that. Ronnie just gave me 7 minutes of my life back by typing up my thoughts. Thanks, Pal!

      • 0 avatar
        Summicron

        Yes! Schreiber!

        That! That is what I would have posted if I weren’t an arrested adolescent!

        • 0 avatar
          thelaine

          +1 I was also arrested as an adolescent.

          • 0 avatar
            Summicron

            Heh… just missed on that count… we hid our guns in the brush and scattered just as the cops showed up to see who was plinking at the new Olds & Caddys on the train that ran past the lake.

            shitz & gigglez

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            They rarely catch the smart ones.

          • 0 avatar
            Summicron

            Thanks, but just plain luck… we were down in the hollow of the lake and saw the tree tops suddenly light up with red & white flashes. No sirens… sheer luck and cops who weren’t too concerned ’cause all anyone heard were .22′s.

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            Any kid who can spend some of his days wandering around plinking at stuff with a .22 is lucky, even if he occasionally takes a bit too much liberty with his target selection.

          • 0 avatar
            Summicron

            SOP for my kiddiehood in Indiana. Rescued a .22 Fieldmaster from the local dump, emory-cloth’d every speck of rust off it and my brother blued it for me. Took that thing everywhere. Paper route bought my .22s and .177 ammo for my Crossman pistol.

            Never had an allowance and never had more fun. God bless the boonies.

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            +1

    • 0 avatar

      Pakistan.

    • 0 avatar
      corntrollio

      What’s strikes me most about these guys is that they seem sort of amateurish sometimes. It sounds like they didn’t do nearly enough research and planning (maybe they thought about the big picture, but not the details) and are just generally naive. It’s hard to tell because they contradict themselves sometimes.

      Supposedly, they “planned” to drive through Iran and Pakistan. But if they had planned, why did they mention in their own post (http://www.drivenachodrive.com/2013/04/kickstarter-to-the-silk-road/) that 1) they didn’t think they would get permission from Iran to drive through, and 2) why hadn’t they applied for a Pakistani visa from the US as required? That blog post doesn’t make it seem like they planned anything.

      Second, the Autoblog post suggesting that it might be dangerous to go through Pakistan is probably more instructive here. Maybe they’re chickening out on the original plan when push comes to shove, and that’s why they’re begging for money to go through China.

      Third, their plan to go through China seems rather inefficient. They want to go through China to India (because they can’t go through Burma), and somehow their magic VW Van will make it through Tibet over the Himalayas, and then they want to go back over the Himalays in a magic VW Van into China again when they go to Kyrgyzstan. Why not make it simpler and not go through India (and save $8000 for re-entering China as they claim)? I’ll tell you why, it’s their dream vacation to include India on this trip too, and the ebook is a canard to get the funding.

      Their blog in combination with the Autoblog article makes it appear that they want to go through China because they’re chickening out about going through Pakistan and they don’t have permission to do so yet, not because it would produce interesting stories. They knew they wouldn’t have the money to go through China, but if it’s with OPM, why not, right?

      I spot-checked their rambling blog posts a bit (nice pictures, but writing is quite rambling), and these guys always seem in over their heads for lack of proper planning (I mean, really, a VW Van?). They had to fly home from Colombia for that transmission for lack of planning and then sneak through customs, and it seems from the Autoblog article that they only time they thought about bringing spare parts was after their experience dealing with Latin American mechanics.

      When I’ve read about people driving a Land Cruiser through Tibet, they had a local guide + they had spare parts and spare tires. Yet these guys think they can drive a VW Van across the world, and that they planned adequately for it. Meanwhile, their van can’t even make it up some of the hills they want to drive on.

      Some of the things they do and write about as if it’s an adventure (e.g. currency exchange on the black market) would be routine for a native or for many informed tourists, but they’re trying to act like it’s novel and special because it’s some American hipsters doing it. My friends who have traveled to Argentina recently did their research and didn’t treat this sort of currency exchange like it was novel — it’s just what you do.

      No doubt they’ll have some decent stories out of this — when traveling in the developing world, you tend to have stories even when you do sweat the details because things can be so unreliable, but I’m not sure I’d want to read them giving the writing style. The “we might write a book thing” definitely seems a bit of a canard, as I said — he claims he’s done with the first book, but if it’s anything like his blog writing, I’m not sure we want to see the alleged second one. Furthermore, there are so many damn people who write about traveling through China, and I’m not sure these guys will add anything new.

      The other thing I’d point out, is that even among the very pro-DriveNachoDrive people who comment on their blog, there are quite a few who feel like they seemed amateurish on their Kickstarter video. If you’re going to do something like that, you need to have thicker skin. You might also need to have a video that’s more persuasive and doesn’t seem like a hipster college student made it. They also don’t explain the costs very well (e.g. why $3700 to send people an ebook!?).

    • 0 avatar
      corntrollio

      By the way, I forgot to mention one of the contradictions.

      They “planned” to go through Iran and Pakistan. Yet, in July while they were in Colombia, several months into their trip, they said they planned to go through China — posted 7/9/2012:

      “We’ll drive around Southeast Asia for a while, then cut through China to India and Nepal. After that we’ll make our way through the Middle-East and into Turkey.”

      http://www.drivetheamericas.com/wiki/brad-and-sheena

      So did you not have the money then? Or do you not have the money now? And why did they later add the 2nd crossing into China and going through Central Asia instead of going through the Middle East?

      That sits in direct opposition to:

      “In our budgeting process, we knew (yes, about three years ago we knew) that we would not be able to go through China due to the cost. Instead we planned to ship from Thailand to India, and then to drive through Pakistan and Iran, or else ship again to Turkey. This was the plan, and it is still the plan if our crowdsource funding project doesn’t succeed.”

    • 0 avatar
      stuki

      Dude, You don’t need to defend yourself! Noone is attacking you! You’re just a very easy target for flippant remarks. If you don’t get why that is so, you are really out of touch with America anno now.

      Objectively, you have saved money for a dream trip, and left to pursue it. Nothing wrong with that. And you’re politely asking for a few bucks to take a detour. The simple fact that you have budgeted realistically and honestly enough to actually realize your desired detour would require more money than you have left, probably puts you in the top 1% of trip planners. And waaay ahead of the stereotypical trustafarian I initially thought you were. But a couple taking 3 years off to travel, and then asking for money, is still target for jokes :)

      Calling your trip a “campaign”, reflexively denigrating the most popular cable news network in America (and implicitly their viewers), and picking a vehicle known more for it’s association with lefty hipsterism than it’s practical virtues for such a long trip, does set you up as an easy target for ridicule from 49.9% of the country, though. You do realize that, don’t you? And, for all those that do watch Fox, do you suppose your comment about their bias is any less “hurtful” than the ones you are reciving here?

      In reality, though; words are just random sounds emanating from a hole in someones face. Printed ones just ink splattered on paper. Or random pixels lit up on a screen. Who cares? Bullets fired in your direction may be important and objectively hurtful (if fired by a competent shooter, at least), but very little else is. What do you care, anyway? You’re out having experiences only a very few will have in their lives. So what if someone talks smack on the internet?

      I, and I suppose most others, honestly hope you and your wife have a good trip. No reason for anyone to wish you harm. What you’re doing sure beats the heck out of sitting at home on a Friday night hopped up on antibiotics :(. Or sitting around watching Fox for that matter.

      Oh, BTW: If you do write a book, try to make it as full as possible of genuinely practical advice about car travel in less than 100% serviced areas, so that you make it easier for others to do what you are doing. To learn from your mistakes, if you wish. Chances are, just as sailing to America pre Columbus in the 15th century, one of the reasons more people weren’t doing it, was simply that they thought it was a lot more difficult in absolute terms than it really was. And hence, once someone (Columbus) did it, and told about it, lots more went and did it as well. Same for international auto travel. If you demystify at least some parts of it, perhaps more people will do it. Which, CO2 emissions be damned, beats the heck out of them sitting around watching Fox…..

  • avatar
    mechimike

    As my grandfather would say, “One arm long, one arm short”.

    Presumably in this case that would refer to the appendages this couple will have to sell off to finance the rest of their death march around the planet.

  • avatar

    PT Barnum would be proud.

    I’ll save my money to buy a replacement copy of “Travels with Charley.”

  • avatar
    ash78

    This pseudo-entitlement mentality is a symptom of a world ingrained in social media, IMHO.

    In the “good old days” (ie, everything between the Conquistadors and 2004 or so) you had to pony up cash, go into debt, dig deep, THEN write and document the whole thing, and THEN collect your reward once your book or story is ready.

    This is like John Grisham collecting money on Twitter for each page he writes.

  • avatar
    NotFast

    I saw this on Autoblog, and immediately blew by it. These people need to get real jobs.

  • avatar
    mike978

    Great article – I went to AB via the link and found that Brad (the man in this story) has posted a reply trying to defend himself :

    http://www.autoblog.com/2013/04/22/help-a-couple-drive-their-1984-vanagon-around-the-world/

    Worth a look for comedic value.

  • avatar
    Spartan

    They’re getting the business over on Autoblog right now, and rightfully so. I’m sure autoblog is enjoying the clicks at the expense of humiliating these poor saps.

    20,000 fat chicks at $1 each would easily take care of the costs.

  • avatar
    ootpek

    Lack of planning on their part does NOT constitute an emergency on mine.

    I thought the same thing when I read that story…You want me to help pay for your vacation??? WTF?

    Of couse the interesting thing is people have actually donated to this poorly planned adventure already.

  • avatar
    lowsodium

    If they really wanted to do this they should take out a few loans and just worry about paying it back later.

    Personally I dont see the excitement in having a 35 year old VW bus break down in the middle of china where you likely cant get parts.

    A better trip would be starting in south america and going to alaska.

  • avatar

    As far as hanging with me goes, they would need to take a quite expensive ferry, and then budget for 40 cents per mile in tolls: I am in budget-blowing Japan.

  • avatar
    mikey

    For thier own sake,I hope they know what parts of the world to avoid. The sort of places where infidels are not welcome. Or those places where young American girls could face some issues.

    So what happens when they get kidnapped,raped,robbed? Somebody going to have to risk thier life,and lots of money to bail them out.

    A few years ago we had group of Canadian war protesters get kidnapped in the middle east. Some brave British soldiers risked thier very lives rescueing thier sorry a$$es.
    Without a word of thanks to the Brits,these same loony left idiots,toured Canada to raise funds,for thier next excursion, to Packistan, something about asking Packistan to please not use the nuclear threat on India.
    Sorry, I finance my own vacations.

  • avatar
    Scott_314

    Travel writing, huh. Rory Stewart walked across Afghanistan after the US invasion, documented in “The Places In Between”. He also spent a year as a diplomat in Iraq in 2003, documented in “The Prince of the Marshes”. Both recommended.

    Why do I get the feeling that this vacation-diary won’t measure up?

  • avatar
    Jonathan H.

    Looks like they’ve responded to the Autoblog commenters. Not sure if it’ll change any minds.

  • avatar
    Pinzgauer

    I cant blame them for trying and they cant blame me for not giving them a cent. I dont think there is anything wrong with that.

  • avatar
    S. Chaudhry

    Would anyone fund me if I tried to crowd-source 20-Gs so I could go on a cross-country American road trip? Likely not, especially when people find out I am from Pakistan.

  • avatar
    Cubista

    Hilarious. Anytime I feel like following the meanderings of incompetent, self-absorbed hacks as they travel through third world conditions in beater vehicles, all I have to do is watch “Top Gear” re-runs at my convenience via NetFlix or BBC America.

  • avatar
    harshciygar

    As someone who lived with his parents for a year and scrapped together $10,000 to take a 6-week cross-country road trip, these people piss me off.

    I thought the point of Kickstarter is to fund a project where you actually get something out of it? Where did these intrepid adventurers come up with the money to make it this far in the first place?

    While I wish them nothing but luck, I personally know how vitriolic the Internet can be. If you are going to ask me for money, you damn well better be offering me something awesome in return.

    That’s why to date, the only Kickstarter project I’ve funded involved Robocop and Planescape: Torment (+1 to anyone who played that game, best RPG EVER).

  • avatar
    SomeGuy

    Okay, I read the story right around the time Brad responded. I did NOT watch the video (at work); however, Bowman is probably my favorite writer on that site, so I definitley read the piece.

    I found the concept very interesting, but the choices made by this couple were very poor. I also share the same profession as his wife so I get where she is coming from on the cost cutting to raise $; however, she probably should have realized that buying a junked out bus with both of them having zero knowledge in vehicles is foolish. The planning and due dillegence done by them both was very, very bad.

    Overall I enjoyed the piece, I wish them well in their journey. I will not donate to them, as I just don’t think reasons are good enough. Like another commenter mentioned, there are just more noble causes that need our help right now…

    One of the main bright points on this site is the decent commentary. AB is a cesspool of ignorance below the article due to their awful comment system. I feel in a way Bowman knew this, but when we chatted on Twitter he seemed to defend the commenters. Hmm…

  • avatar
    racer193

    Hmmmmmm, I wonder If, because Im disabled and in desperate need of a newer car due to horendous amount of medical travel if I could start one of those kickstarter accounts and get PEOPLE TO DONATE SOME MONEY to my cause…… Nope I could never ask perfect srangers to give a fella a hand. I have a hard time asking my mother to borrow her car when mine is in the shop. Why would a couple of D bags ask for help to pay for their vacay? Do they really think they are that intittled or important? If they cant afford to continue they should sell the van and go home. Maybe try again when they haved it planned better and have more cash.

    • 0 avatar
      racer193

      Oh and so Im not anonnamous my name is WILLIAM ROBINSON. racer193 was a reference to my race cars number before I was disabled. I am now going to look into changing it as I do believe that to many people hide behind their screen name or handle and puke out some pretty rediculous venom.

  • avatar
    Flybrian

    Should’ve thought about this crap back in 2005 when I could’ve crowdfunded my comparatively bargain-priced purchase and roadtrip of a ’76 LeSabre from Pennsylvannia to Florida…

  • avatar
    VenomV12

    There are these new fangled amazing things called jobs, they should look into it, or get their parents to cut them a check.

  • avatar
    ToxicSludge

    “stupid is as stupid does”….ya’ll better start hitch hiking.

  • avatar
    Onus

    I vote that they take the Russia trip instead.

    Then again that’s what i would do instead of paying a arm and a leg to drive through china. Store the vw in Russia and take a train through china. Then go back and keep driving.

    My girlfriend being Russian also helps, and i could get around with her help. Considering my Russian consists of 100 words, and the ability to read Cyrillic but, i can’t make any useful sentences it sure is a help.

    Its like choosing Alaska over a crowded city. I’ll take Alaska. The rural Russian country side is stunning. Siberia sounds even better!

  • avatar
    daveainchina

    Because of the regulatory nightmare that is China (what they didn’t do their research first and are now surprised by this?? come on how stupid do they think we are?)

    Why don’t they just do what King Croesus did on 1937 Nimbus motorcycles with side cars. They did their research and knew this would be a problem so they went through Mongolia. Pretty exotic trip and none of the hassles of dealing with the Chinese government.

    I hope the link to their website comes through. I think these two Norwegians and the trip they made is amazing. It makes the VW bus look like two people out for a free ride from the world.

    http://www.kccd.no/blog_en.html

  • avatar
    danio3834

    If AB thought they would benefit so much from the clicks this story generates, they should probably cover the tab if they feel it’s so worthwhile.

  • avatar

    I don’t really have a problem with this. I mean, they are offering rewards for each pledge level like every Kickstarter, so people will be getting things for their money. So, they aren’t just asking for free money, the way some people here want to characterize this.

    The one issue I have is that you can only get a physical copy of the book at the $250 level. I realize a lot of people have eBook readers now but many more people still prefer physical books, and $250 is far too much for most people for a paperback book. They’re turning away a large number of potential backers by doing this.

    Actually, come to think of it, this might have done better and drawn less criticism if it were primarily about “help us get our awesome first book printed and snag your own copy,” and then, “oh, and also this will help fund our next trip.”

  • avatar
    Stumpaster

    Wait, someone is posting as an imposter here. This imposter just told us that the couple (i.e. a man and a woman) planned three years ago, which is about two years post-Bush presidency, to drive through Pakistan and Iran to Turkey. Did I just read this or is this all a nightmare?

  • avatar
    pharmer

    A perfect example of white, educated, upper middle class privilege. Whatever problem they are facing HAS TO BE the most important problem the world has ever faced, right? They are so interesting and important and fun and unique that people will just line up to give them money, right?

    Losers.

    Also, I don’t believe for a minute that this is just some life-long dream. Stupid life-long dreams are often done just for the sake of doing them. There’s no need to publicize them to the whole world. The fact that they are blogging their journey leads me to believe they have big time book and screenplay money in mind when they return. They’re already marketing it!

    Anyway, I was out when I saw that they named their Wasserboxer “Nacho.”

    • 0 avatar
      danio3834

      The whole “crowdsourcing” thing does seem a tad optimistic. Then, when people started ripping on them, they feel the need to hit up every site to plead their case (like a snarky child), like we just somehow misunderstood. They think if we just knew their side of the story, we’d totally “get it” and fork over some dough.

      C’mooon, please!?

      I enjoy watching Top Gear, but I’m not sending Clarkson a check.

  • avatar
    philadlj

    AB Comments > YouTube Comments…but not by much.

  • avatar
    Maintainer

    I don’t get all the outrage myself. A quick internet search shows bunches of similar requests for “donations” or “Crowdfunding” for personal Exotic travels.
    If you’re going to stomp on these two (and Nacho!) you need to stomp on them all..

  • avatar
    KixStart

    I don’t see why we should get all excited about people testing the limits of the Barnum Principle. Remember the Pet Rock?

    Yeah, I’d prefer to support my own trip to the Silk Road or anywhere else but that’s me. If somebody else thinks that this is worth funding, that’s their issue. If AB wants to publicize it, that’s AB’s decision. I even admire the couple, a little, for the drive and self-discipline necessary to get as far as they have. Something like this wasn’t my kind of priority at that age but, again, that’s me.

    Now, this does give me some ideas for future fundraising of my own; maybe I’ll try KickStarter myself. I wish I could simply cash in on the name.

  • avatar
    Car Guy

    I just read an article about another hipster out of New York using the internet to panhandle for a free Lamborghini Gallardo. People have no morals or shame these days………

  • avatar
    Joshua Johnson

    As an avid road trip taker, I can appreciate the journey these two are taking. Last summer I drove from MN to CA via ND/MT and down through WA and OR. On the way back, I headed through NV, CO and NE. It was the most amazing 5,300 miles I have ever driven and I would highly recommend it to anybody. I cannot wait for my next trip this summer, although it is a much shorter 1,200 mile jaunt. I also have several more routes planned for many years to come.

    Anyways, the one thing that came to mind while doing all this driving, is that there are so many places, roads and destinations that I was unable to do, as a result of time, money, or just plain exhaustion. Was I disappointed that I was unable to do and see those things, absolutely. But, was the trip a failure or not fun as a result, no chance. I just took it to mean that I will have to get to said destination on the next trip through.

    I understand that driving through China is likely a once in a lifetime thing for most people, but if this couple was able to scrap together the funds for a three year trip around the world, I do not see why they couldn’t do it again in the future.

    But what do I know, I have plans to one day circumnavigate Australia by car, and to drive from Vladivostok to St. Petersburg, again, by car.

  • avatar
    Ryoku75

    “I didn’t even know how a car worked until we decided to go on this trip,” Brad says.”

    Then high mileage VWs are the last place you should look, but VW bashing aside I honestly think that Brad simply should’ve done a bit more planning and a bit more research before setting foot, now he has to take in his mistake and cope with it.

    Its not like you can’t take a car around the world, its been done before without asking people online for money.

    I don’t know why but I find it amusing how a Lamborghini buff wants our money, and now a VW owner wants out money.

  • avatar
    Summicron

    I would be fascinated to see a breakdown of these comments by age and parental income.

  • avatar
    hurricanehole

    I’m jumping off the bandwagon but a few of you sound a bit bitter. Yes, when you chase your dream it is selfish. Some of you have expensive cars is that being selfish even if you paid for them yourself, what about giving that money to the needy? I read a story once about American Indians on how you can tell who the chief is. He’s the one walking along the road with one shoe and worn out old clothing as he’s tasked with helping out his tribe members and has shared what he has when asked. It’s quite common for people chasing dreams to need help. No need to trash them.

    • 0 avatar
      Car Guy

      Chasing one’s dreams use to consist of sacrifice and hard work (e.g. working a second job, going to night school, cutting expenses). That is not the mentality with many in this current 20 something generation. In their mind they are entitled to accomplish their dreams and do it right now – whether it’s realistic or not.

      • 0 avatar
        stottpie

        please, don’t speak for the entire 20-something generation. in reality, the 20-something generation has worked harder for what they’ve gotten than any other older generation. this is the worst job economy we’ve had since the great depression. did you have to find a job in the great depression? probably not.

        it was easier for you than it is for 20-somethings today.

        • 0 avatar
          OldandSlow

          Not to sound like an old curmudgeon – but it’s better to get the wanderlust out of your system while you are young – which is before the kids and grand kids arrive.

          • 0 avatar
            Car Guy

            I agree 100% The difference is, however, I would never panhandle and make a fool of myself on the Internet to do so…….

        • 0 avatar
          tor

          Save that comment till you have kids of your own

        • 0 avatar
          corntrollio

          I’m not a 20-something, but don’t envy them.

          Baby Boomers got cheap housing, cheap education, many of the working class ones got high paying jobs despite their lack of skills, many of them have pensions and healthcare through retirement, and they got a 25-year stock market boom in the heart of their earning years.

          It’s pretty clear who got screwed — all of that free and cheap stuff is being paid for by subsequent generations. So it’s a little silly to hear someone say, “20-somethings these days don’t work,” when Baby Boomers got handed all that stuff for free.

          • 0 avatar
            Piston Slap Yo Mama

            A very reasoned response re. the Baby Boomers, thanks. Things are really different for those 40 and younger and especially those finishing college now. Employment is hard to find and employers can kick you to the curb in a heartbeat with little to no safety net in modern America despite what the ignorant say about our “entitlement” system, which isn’t.
            While I’m not going to write these two a check with my dwindling dollars, I similarly don’t think they deserve the mountain of derision that’s been dumped on them.
            Save your scorn for Amanda Palmer who crowdsourced over a million dollars to record an album. I don’t think Pink Floyd’s “The Wall” cost that much…

    • 0 avatar
      Summicron

      Folks here’s a story ’bout Bradley the Moocher;

      a tale so lame it’s gonna have you in sutures.

      Hi de hi de hi de hi
      Ho de ho de ho de ho

    • 0 avatar
      sirwired

      I got nothing wrong with somebody having a dream. But there is something wrong with asking random strangers to pay for your dream.

  • avatar
    stottpie

    it’s ironic, to me, to solicit money for a travel experience on an automotive site.

    one thing i’ve noticed is that car enthusiasts, myself included, are one of the most materialistically-oriented groups there are. when you’re into cars, everything you could want is something you can physically touch – new paint, better engine, new headers, recaro seats, that new torsen LSD. it’s the same exact mentality that makes women buy tons of pairs of shoes.

    on the flip side, travel is inherently experiential, not materialistic. there is no take away items, no new headers, no turbos, just memories, blog posts, and hipster credits. i buy this mentality, but it isn’t for me. i tend to spend my money on things with a tangible (albeit unnecessary) benefit.

    TL;DR: these two hipsters are barking up the wrong tree.

  • avatar
    mr_muttonchops

    There was a similar Cracked article about this sort of thing not too long ago, and it sums up my sentiments exactly: If you cannot afford to save your own hide if anything should go wrong (pardon my cynicism, but a trip around the world WILL have something go wrong) than you kinda deserve any trouble you get yourself into. I do not actually wish any harm on these people, but if something goes wrong I won’t be very sympathetic.

  • avatar

    So we’ve cleared the TTAC “Kids these days…” post quota for the week, then?

  • avatar
    George B

    The problem is Brad and Sheena get to experience a trip around the world, but they don’t appear to do anything to work or give back at their various destinations.

    Here’s how to use Kickstarter. Nicole Atkins & The Black Sea raised money for a tour van using a humorous video with unusual pledge prizes.
    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/645226807/nicole-atkins-and-the-black-seas-big-ol-production

    It allowed her to tour with a band and the band gave back some really good live shows and a free live EP.
    EP http://nicoleatkins.bandcamp.com/album/till-dawn
    Bonaroo 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYewRIHPVs0

  • avatar
    tor

    Basically the whole thing boils down to this:

    A couple is taking a trip from point A to B. But if you give them money, they will detour to point C and write about the experience.
    That’s it. There’s no grandiose purpose behind the detour other than that the couple hasn’t been to C before.

    Personally, I wouldn’t donate even if this was some kind of reality TV show.

  • avatar
    Kyree S. Williams

    Some of you are being very mean and sardonic. It’s not as though he and his wife spammed your email boxes or held you at gunpoint while demanding a donation. They merely put this out there as a project. If you don’t like it, don’t help fund it. It’s as simple as that. You don’t have to follow up by trashing their project, too.

    Then again, I’m not surprised to see this behavior here on the TTAC comments section; some of you behave this same way anytime the name “Camry” is mentioned.

  • avatar
    dswilly

    Hey Brad, I think what you have here is a PR problem. What your proposing isn’t necessarily wrong in any way, but the natives are restless, got their angry on and now you need to get them back on your side. I would recommend offering a T-shirt to anyone who pledges $20 or more. Everybody loves a cool T-shirt. If this thing goes viral enough that shirt (assuming it isn’t a stupid design) might hold some serious hipster points. You could start with “I paid for someone else’s’ trip through China and all I got was this stupid t-shirt” and go from there.

    • 0 avatar
      danio3834

      I heard there are websites where people willingly pay hundreds of dollars for t-shirts with Bill Murray on them.

      In that case, there must be tons of people who would pay $20 for a shirt with a VW van on it.

  • avatar
    Cubista

    I used to know this dude who was the absolute bane of the existence of all my buddies who smoked (I didn’t smoke, so for me it was great entertainment watching him work); he learned the trick in County, bumming smokes off of people and putting them in a hard pack he always kept. He didn’t need a smoke at the time he was asking for one any more than he needed an extra pair of socks, but he would happily take someone else’s and keep it for himself, saving it for the time when, you know, he MIGHT need one. Everyone hated him for it, but they always went along with it and never told him to get bent like they all said they really wanted to, and I never heard once of him actually buying a new pack of smokes for himself. Fast forward a couple of decades TO:

    “Are we out of money? No, we still have enough money to drive for another 2 years; enough time to get us safely back home.

    Are we stuck with no way out? No. Our original plan still holds, and we can do it under our own funding.”

    And there’s the rub. This guy wouldn’t come off as nearly as big a D-bag if he hadn’t made the extra effort (on TWO SEPARATE car sites, apparently) to EXPLAIN the extra effort he was making to obtain extra funding for this little jaunt. They don’t actually need your money to keep their trip going…in fact, they don’t actually need your money at all; they just WANT your money.

    Guy’s got a pair of brass ones, I’ll give him that. Nothing else, though.

  • avatar
    hp

    TTAC, ya’ll got yourself a new reader.

    These hipsters will never learn. They’ll spin it to make themselves feel good. There’s no use in arguing really. They don’t know what it is like to work hard, like all those people they pass by on their “adventures”.

    Scumbags that are no better than beggers on the side of the highways. You know the ones, who will stand out there all day, with a pocket full of cash, trying to play on people’s emotions. Don’t try to piss on our legs and tell us it’s raining. This may not be “the real world” but it’s realer than what your friends and family have told you. I’d tell you the same damn thing if you walked into my office and asked me for money for your trip.

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    Hummer

    Hey everyone,

    We should crowdfund them a trip to the bus station, as well as a bus pass, to help them go apply for a job at McDonalds!

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    jeffzekas

    I really enjoy reading the many intelligent, witty comments made by TTAC readers- I am still laughing as I turn off my laptop!

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    glwillia

    Pakistan/Iran and China aren’t the only two options–he could always take a ferry to Japan, then Vladivostok, then rent a spot on a flat car and take the Trans-Siberian to somewhere more occidental. Don’t know how much that costs, but it should be quite a bit cheaper than $20k.

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    LALoser

    I know using yourself as an example is bad form,allow me to apologize in advance..

    I have lived and worked in over 40 countries over the years. Lived among the locals, learned the customs, ate the food..mostly..met a ton of friends and when in certain locations, always took the martial arts, mostly family styles…big fun.
    Been part of a team or leader in building schools, small, in Nepal and India, set up funding for education in PI and ZA and tried to be a good ambassador for what America stands for…except for the times in Pat Pong, Soi Cowboy, or Burgos St…but nevermind that..
    In the states I have driven all over, one fun trip was from Tampa to Fairbanks, with a 3-year-old! What a blast!
    Now to fund all the above, and more, I had jobs that took me, and all the side stuff I paid for myself.
    Before all that, I was part of the original crowdsourced funding you might say…The US Army. They sent me to many far-flung places and I had very up-close interaction with locals…maybe something like one or more of the above would fund travels, and you would have done it yourself…just a thought.

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    I decided to watch their video, and here are my thoughts:

    1. Nacho really is a twee name for any vehicle, let alone a Vanagon. +1
    2. There was no ukulele or other hipster-esque sounds playing the background. The video really needed to be as twee as the name Nacho through and through. -1
    3. The recording itself was done through what sounds like their computer’s mic. Gotta be more professional in audio production. Also: More twee. -1
    4. How is it that the video claims they need just over $19,000 to enter China while their Kickstarter goal is the oddly specific amount of $25,602? That’s not very twee. -1

    Also: Brad, if you’re still reading this, Mr. Baruth is more than willing to throw down with you. All you have to do copy/paste your complaint into the contact form. In the meantime, as Charlie Sheen should have told you long ago, plan better.

    Also: Be more twee.

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    drksd4848

    I checked their site out to see if she’s hot. That’s about the only thing worth checking out on their site – just to see if she’s hot.

    Meh… She’s alright. Kind of generic and mousey but I wouldn’t throw her out.

    Here’s an idea for them: Why don’t they get an account on one of those amateur home-made porn sites and sell some videos. There are lots of worthless hipsters doing just that. In fact, that’s about the only thing that most millennials know how to do.


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