Question Of The Day: How Much Would You Pay For… Perfect Diagnostic Information?

Steven Lang
by Steven Lang

Flashes and pulses.

I was staring at an archaic diagnostic system on a 1992 Volvo 940 wagon. It was located underneath the hood, inside a plastic cover, with six little holes for each one of the six digits, along with a cheap plastic wand.

What came out was morse code. Three little reds, stop. One little red, stop. Two little reds, stop. Code 312. Time to visit the brickboard, where the code could be translated to about fifteen different potential issues.

21 model years later, and we’re still not quite there yet.

Not too long after my experience with Volvo code readings, OBD-II system would roar into the scene during the mid-90’s and seemed to change everything for the better.

Instead of having a shop that required an expensive tool du jour and a book full of possible translations, nearly everything became universal. Code P0420 would always a bad catalytic converter. Code P0301 became a random cylinder misfire for cylinder #1. P0131 would be an oxygen sensor with low voltage.

So what do you do with an oxygen sensor with low voltage? Well, the good news was that there were only three possibilities.


Causes


A code P0131 meant that one or more of the following has happened:

  • Faulty o2 oxygen sensor
  • Short to voltage on O2 signal circuit
  • High resistance or open on O2 signal circuit


Possible Solutions


  • Replace that faulty sensor!
  • Repair short, open, or high resistance on o2 signal circuit?

(Information courtesy of obd-codes.com)

Option 1 was simple and potentially expensive. Some oxygen sensors were cheap. Others not so much.

Option 2 could be cheaper… or even more expensive. You could buy the tool needed to measure the resistance. Then read up on how to determine if that 02 circuit is short, open, or high.

With option 2 you were always taking a gamble. You may have to pay for a good voltmeter and a new o2 sensor in the end. Or just the voltmeter.

Then there was the wealth of online information that either enlightened you or intimidated you when it came to figuring the whole thing out. Click here, here and here for a small taste of that experience.

For many enthusiasts out there, all this potential for misdiagnosis represented an “I give up!” moment, and a trip to the local independent repair shop.

The mind would wander, “Perhaps that oxygen sensor could just be loose, or defective. Or maybe the problem was truly beyond the confines of that sensor.”

Who knew? Not you.

The world of yesterday and today still has one link in the chain that keeps everything together. A good mechanic. An expert with knowledge and experience that can find the resources needed to zero in on a problem which is elusive to most owners.

But what if you could do diagnose it instead? With absolutely no question as to what needs to be done?

What if your car also monitored all the essential fluids and components that wear out over time?

Many of us have a good ear for a starter or alternator that is about to conk out. However, a rear main seal or a water pump may escape our attention as we travel from here to there.

How much would you pay for perfect diagnostic information?

Let me toss in another reality for you to consider? Hundreds of thousands of vehicles are exported overseas, in part, due to the high feature and option content of vehicles sold in North America. There are certain marques I routinely sell, such as Honda, Toyota, VW, and Mercedes, which continue to have a strong demand in overseas markets.

Would you be willing to keep a vehicle for 200,000 miles if such a system was installed on your vehicle for let’s say $750, in exchange for an extra $1500 at trade-in time? Let’s say such a system would also save you, on average, about $1500 in repairs and maintenance expenses as well. Not to mention saving a few of our resources.

It’s your call.

How much would you pay? Would you keep it for the long haul?

Is the offer I described attract the keeper side of your personality? Or is the temptation to trade it before that 200k mark simply too great? Feel free to exchange 200k for 13 years if you don’t drive much these days.

All the best… and happy new year!

Steven Lang
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  • SCE to AUX SCE to AUX on Jan 03, 2013

    One issue that's been overlooked is problems with non-engine systems. I won a lemon law suit on my former 05 Odyssey because the dealer couldn't keep its power sliding doors working, which had failed on Day One of ownership. The mechanics had replaced the entire power drive assembly, 'stretched' the wiring harness (whatever that means), and dented the rocker panel during 20 month of tortuous ownership, and we were generally lied to the whole time. I got pretty soured on dealer service during this episode, not to mention the myth of Honda quality.

  • Terry Terry on Jan 03, 2013

    Gslippy, in the last few years OBDII has included Body Control Systems, ABS/Traction Control, Electronic Power Steering, Transmission, Heating/ Vent/AC Systems, and others. For example: Power Lock not working in LR door--I can, via the OBD Diagnostic Data Link-- read the switches, motor, supply voltages, etc to operate the lock. Audio systems now have their own diagnostic procedure monitored via the radio display. These are Mazda systems I'm talking about, but I'm sure most manufacturers these days have similar systems in place on their vehicles.

    • Cabriolet Cabriolet on Jan 03, 2013

      I have owned VW's for the last 25 years. When OBD II came about i purchased a data cable that hooks between my OBD II port and my lap top along with a free program called VAG COM from a firm by the name of Ross-Tech. Over the years i have updated the data cable to handle the new Dual-K & Can cables of the newer VW / Audi vehicles and i can scan my entire vehicle in about 5 minutes. Not only will it tell me what is wrong it will tell me the part no. to goggle for the best price. The program also allows me to make computer adjustments and other changes to the vehicle. Total cost for this cable is now about $250.00. Free updates for life. I scan my car every year and if i have a problem and do not want to fix it myself i can tell the dealer what is wrong. Great system, any one with a VAG product should look into it.

  • Kjhkjlhkjhkljh kljhjkhjklhkjh A prelude is a bad idea. There is already Acura with all the weird sport trims. This will not make back it's R&D money.
  • Analoggrotto I don't see a red car here, how blazing stupid are you people?
  • Redapple2 Love the wheels
  • Redapple2 Good luck to them. They used to make great cars. 510. 240Z, Sentra SE-R. Maxima. Frontier.
  • Joe65688619 Under Ghosn they went through the same short-term bottom-line thinking that GM did in the 80s/90s, and they have not recovered say, to their heyday in the 50s and 60s in terms of market share and innovation. Poor design decisions (a CVT in their front-wheel drive "4-Door Sports Car", model overlap in a poorly performing segment (they never needed the Altima AND the Maxima...what they needed was one vehicle with different drivetrain, including hybrid, to compete with the Accord/Camry, and decontenting their vehicles: My 2012 QX56 (I know, not a Nissan, but the same holds for the Armada) had power rear windows in the cargo area that could vent, a glass hatch on the back door that could be opened separate from the whole liftgate (in such a tall vehicle, kinda essential if you have it in a garage and want to load the trunk without having to open the garage door to make room for the lift gate), a nice driver's side folding armrest, and a few other quality-of-life details absent from my 2018 QX80. In a competitive market this attention to detai is can be the differentiator that sell cars. Now they are caught in the middle of the market, competing more with Hyundai and Kia and selling discounted vehicles near the same price points, but losing money on them. They invested also invested a lot in niche platforms. The Leaf was one of the first full EVs, but never really evolved. They misjudged the market - luxury EVs are selling, small budget models not so much. Variable compression engines offering little in terms of real-world power or tech, let a lot of complexity that is leading to higher failure rates. Aside from the Z and GT-R (low volume models), not much forced induction (whether your a fan or not, look at what Honda did with the CR-V and Acura RDX - same chassis, slap a turbo on it, make it nicer inside, and now you can sell it as a semi-premium brand with higher markup). That said, I do believe they retain the technical and engineering capability to do far better. About time management realized they need to make smarter investments and understand their markets better.
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