By on January 16, 2009

Jamming along with the cruise control set at 100 mph and the instant fuel economy reading 23 mpg, you start wondering: how General Motors can be in any sort of trouble? The bright yellow Corvette Z51 is beyond calm, cool and collected at this three digit speed. The tachometer’s barely indicating 2,400 rpm. And get a load of these beautiful gauges. I’ve seen chintzier dials on Tag Heuers. You know what? Forget the instrument cluster. It’s all about the heads up display. Which not only indicates speed, but rpm, temp, pressure and… Wait a second– why does one speedometer read 100 mph and the other 99 mph? And why are there three different rattles buzzing in my right ear? And what is that smell?

Before we return to the inside of the 2009 Corvette, let’s spend a moment with the outside. It’s tough to have fruitful debate about such an iconic shape, but I dig C6 ‘Vettes. Especially when compared to the C5. Nice job Chevy on shaping such a taut, muscular form that doesn’t automatically scream, “I Heart New Jersey.” Moving on…

Here’s what I’ve come to realize. Corvettes are designed by people that have never sat inside a Porsche for people that never will sit inside a Porsche. That’s the only possible explanation for such inattention to detail. The seats are crummy, the shifters covered in crummy leather and there are some extremely low-rent plastics in frighteningly obvious places. Like the fake-aluminum steering wheel inserts. This particular car actually sets a new record for tackiness: fake carbon fiber on top of fake leather. Seriously guys, that sucks. Especially when Holden (who you own) is so fully capable of building world class accommodations. One nice thing? The pedals are in the right place

Of course no one buys a Corvette for the interior (Chevy just throws that in for free). It’s all about the engine. Let me introduce you to latest in a long line of bitchin’ Chevy small blocks, the mighty LS3. 6.2-liters. 436 hp. 428 lb-ft torque. Blood pumping numbers for certain, especially if you like to dabble in the aftermarket. Because the LS3 is essentially the LS9/LSA minus some fancy pieces and a blower. But what if you leave the engine as is?

Thanks to all that muscle and a low weight of just 3,273 pounds, the Z51 assaults 60 mph in 4.1 seconds and attacks the quarter-mile in 12.4 seconds (at 117 mph) on its way to a top speed of (probably) 190 mph. Nuts. And unlike certain turbocharged cars I can think of, the Z51’s power is everywhere. Floor it in first (with the nanny off) and the back tires turn to smoke. Floor it in sixth gear and it pulls, hard. It is my firm belief that if this engine were in more vehicles, GM would be in better shape. Naïve? Sure, but the LS3 is fully, 100 percent excellent. An homage to America’s love affair with power.

The Z51 package does two things (besides raising the price by $1,700). The first is an all-new suspension set up with stiffer springs, firmer dampers and fatter sway bars. You also get better brakes and tires, as well as additional cooling. This setup changes the Corvette’s day to day behavior from “nearly intolerable” to “pretty damn good.” Long gone are tooth-damaging thuds and chronic bump-steer over less than ideal macadam. This is the first C6 I’ve experienced with a livable ride.

All these new goodies help with the left-right stuff too, as I got the g-meter to read 0.99g around one memorable right-hander. Sure, there’s still plenty of USDA prime numbness when it comes to steering feedback, but the car’s grip inspires so much confidence that the former doesn’t matter.

The other thing the Z51 package does is make the Z06 obsolete. I just don’t see $20,000+ more value in the (now) middle tier Corvette. Besides, you can spend a little of the money you save on a blower and easily achieve (if not surpass) LS7 power levels. Hell, that’s what Chevy did with the ZR1. Unless you’re actually racing, you won’t notice the performance gap between the Z51 and Z06. But maybe you should skip Corvettes altogether and buy– oh I don’t know– a Porsche 911?

I spent over 1,000 miles inside the Z51 trying to answer that question. Just when I found an attribute that thrilled me — speed! — I found another that horrified — radio! How can a car hold the road with the best of its competition, yet squeak and rattle like something from behind the Iron Curtain? Sort of like how the country that produces the best doctors in the world doesn’t allow 20 percent of its citizenry access to them. The Corvette is America, both in glory and failure.

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106 Comments on “Review: 2009 Chevrolet Corvette Z51...”


  • avatar
    austinseven

    Once a lorry, always a lorry, still a lorry.

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    The base and just-up-from-base Corvettes have always been excellent cars. Yes, you could get a Z06 or ZR1, but the base cars ride better, aren’t as mechanically stressed and cost a lot less. It’s a lot less likely to kill you, too. Unless you’re racing or a certified alpha, this is more than enough.

    This really is an amazing piece of work, especially discounted as it is. Unless you must have a Miata (for the purity), a Mustang (for the looks and the modicum of practicality) or a 335i (for the holistic experience and the extra two doors), there’s no reason not to get this car.

    Yeah, the interior has a few crappy pieces. It’s a four hundred horse car that can pull 1.0G and weighs 3300lbs. And costs CAD$60K. That’s about the price of an S2000 or base Boxster, or three oil changes for a Ferrari. At least it’s not egregiously bad, as it was in the C5.

    The Corvette is America, both in glory and failure.

    True. It shows that, when GM really wants to, it can build a really good car. It also shows that, most of the time, GM doesn’t really want to. Where Toyota is the determined student that gets B+’s and A-‘s across the board, GM’s the flighty genius that splits between a few A+’s in the subjects it cares about, a fleet of C-‘s and more than a few D’s in those where it barely shows up to class.

    If they put half the effort into the Cavalier and Aveo that they’ve put into the Corvette, they’d own the low end market.

  • avatar
    tigeraid

    Here’s what I’ve come to realize. Corvettes are designed by people that have never sat inside a Porsche for people that never will sit inside a Porsche.

    Should be “…that have never said inside a Porsche OR for people that never will…”

    Otherwise couldn’t agree more, and I also agree that Corvette owners don’t care about the interior.

  • avatar
    carguy

    Yep – the C6 is just one good interior designer away from greatness.

  • avatar
    thetopdog

    Admittedly I’m biased, but I have absolutely no problem with the C6’s interior. If there were a car that could even come close to the Vette’s performance for the price AND had a better interior, then all the complaints might make sense. But if costs have to be cut somewhere, then GM cut them in the right place. Cost issues aside, I’m no less comfortable in my 2006 C6 than I was in my Lexus GS400. I’ve taken many 10+ hour trips in the C6 without complaint. The roof might squeak a bit but that’s more than a fair trade-off for a targa top that lets you experience open-air motoring without having to buy a convertible

    Also, I’m having a hard time understanding your praise of the Z51 package’s ride. I’ve got the base suspension on mine, but from everything I’ve read from other ‘Vette owners, it seems like the Z51 package’s ride is much more stiff than the base version, and suffers a lot more from the bump-steer that you mention.

    My only major complaints about the car are the fact that the turning radius rivals that of a monster truck, the lack of steering feel, and the fact that you have to go to a Chevy dealer for service. Otherwise the car is almost perfect

  • avatar

    Surely, if GM survives they will replace the interior. The Cobalt SS gets freaking Recaros! Why not the Corvette?

  • avatar

    Personally I’ve always thought that GM should have marketed the Corvette at a lower price point. After all, 60K might be a bargain for the performance, but it’s not for the quality. That’s why it will be interesting to see how the Camaro SS stacks up – after all, it too will have that glorious LS3 (if you get a manual, which is standard equipment – are you listening Chryler?). The SS will also have modern underpinnings, good brakes, and most importantly a price that is a full 20K lower than a base Corvette. Let’s just hope it makes it to production, and actually turns out half decent – a baby Corvette, not a Mustang challenger.

  • avatar
    ZoomZoom

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    I really liked driving my C5 convertible. Loved the head’s up display; bright blue, easy to see in all but the earliest morning or latest afternoon direct-sunlight.

    That car had a really nice shape. Even that big caboose wasn’t all THAT bad. And the interior on my C5 was all leather; no cheap fake aluminum or fake wood. The car had class!

    That is, when it wasn’t in the shop for stupid stuff, like window or door lock motors, or that infamous steering wheel lock problem that it needed two or more visits for. Or the problem with the remote lock key fob that every dealer in town claimed was “working as designed,” even when I was able to demonstrate the problem for them.

    I rarely was able to get anything fixed correctly the first time, and without any collateral damage to something else.

    The six-speed was a lot of fun, even with that confusing “skip gear”, and the car was well-behaved on the road. But eventually I decided that the constant trips to the repair shop were draining me of valuable personal and work time, energy, and spirit.

    I had to let it go. I didn’t swear off GM just yet, though. But it didn’t take more than another week of driving another manufacturer’s car to realize that I had devoted far too much of my soul and life energy to General Motors.

  • avatar
    John R

    Good read Loverman.

    You’d think by now they would have a better tiller for this thing. It’s pretty sad that I can find a better steering wheel in an Altima or Mazda6.

  • avatar

    I’m not minding the interior so much in its latest iteration. And the steering is also much improved over pre-2008 cars, if still not ideal.

    My #1 problem with the 2008 Corvette: an extreme amount of tire roar over some road surfaces in the coupe. Perhaps they’ve improved this for 2009?

    On the reliability front, TrueDelta has no data yet. But we’re just a few owners short for 2006, 2007, and 2008. So, if you know someone who owns one, please send them here:

    http://www.truedelta.com/reliability.php

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    That’s why it will be interesting to see how the Camaro SS stacks up – after all, it too will have that glorious LS3

    The Camaro is going to weigh a lot more. If you extrapolate from what we know of the G8, and that two-doors don’t generally come in any lighter, you’re talking about a car that’s between five and seven hundred pounds more massive (and has far worse aerodynamics) than the Corvette.

    Ouch.

    If I wanted an LS-series engine, I’d be choosing between this (if I didn’t need a back seat) and the G8 (if I did). Even the CTS-V is a difficult value proposition.

  • avatar
    NN

    the Camaro will suck. I sat in one at a recent auto show. Terrible visibility through teeny slit windows. And terrible cheapness in the interior. The inside door panels were injection molded one-piece plastic–gold, sparkly plastic!

  • avatar
    ajla

    From the Pontiac site, a manual G8 GXP costs $38,990.

    Compared to this Corvette tested, with the GXP you’d be down a bit on power, get no HUD, have worse handling, no Z51 upgrades, no 2-mode exhaust, and no 56 year history. What you do get though is $24K in savings. Is all that extra stuff worth it?

    I know the GXP and the Corvette don’t compete with each other, but if the LS3 is the best part of the Corvette, then I think the GXP is the better deal.

  • avatar
    garllo

    The Corvette has always been the biggest performance bang for the buck and still is. When I drive mine I’m not wondering how many hides it took to complete the interior nor would I care. I’m too busy enjoying the feeling that I get when you can accelerate and force your eyeballs into the back of their sockets! When we get together for different events the talk about our cars Never centers around the interior of the cars and our group consists of Corvette , Porsche ,and Ferrari owners.I drive Corvettes because I love Corvettes and my friends drive their cars for the same reason.Most enthusiasts that are in the market for a high performance sports car know what they are going to buy ahead of time based on performance preference. As for squeaks or rattles,the best solution for that is a good high performance exhaust system. I’d much rather listen to the LS engine breath more thsn anything else!

  • avatar
    threeer

    All that, and I still want to drive one…just once! I do like the tighter shape of the C6 compared to the larger C5…

  • avatar
    ca36gtp

    The problem with the 911 is Porsche has managed an extraordinary feat: they’ve made the world’s ultimate sports car boring.

  • avatar
    50merc

    “Sort of like how the country that produces the best doctors in the world doesn’t allow 20 percent of its citizenry access to them.”

    There’s a limit on the number of words in a TTAC piece. Yet you felt it necessary to devote 24 of them to an irrelevant and misleading slur on our country.

  • avatar
    Robstar

    No way I’d every buy one

    * How does this handle heavy snow in Chicago? Probably worse than my STi
    * If I want to go fast alone, I have a bike that is high 10’s quarter @ 120’ish, and if I want something in the 9’s @ 140-150’ish it costs me 1/4 the price of the vette new.
    * If I want to go fast with the wife, she always beats me after (in the STi which is much slower than this vette)

    Also: Who cares about the interior (as long as things don’t actually break)? If you are looking at the interior you aren’t actually driving the car :)

  • avatar
    thetopdog

    threeer :

    If you’re anywhere near Boston, you can drive mine. Seriously, I love to share my love of this car with fellow enthusiasts

  • avatar
    jfsvo

    50merc – I couldn’t agree more. Well said.

  • avatar
    NickR

    Yet you felt it necessary to devote 24 of them to an irrelevant and misleading slur on our country.

    50merc…it’s called a ‘simile’. And it’s the truth.

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    50merc: Hell yes.

  • avatar
    netrun

    My dad had a ’76 ‘Vette. It squeaked more than a mouse at a cheese convention. It had an 8-track player. It rocked.

    With about 300 more horses, I can see how this new ‘Vette would be a lot of fun to drive around for 1,000 miles. That said, I can’t understand why the squeaks haven’t been fixed after 30 years of development. Every other car made has found ways to eliminate them – how come not these guys?

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    There’s a limit on the number of words in a TTAC piece. Yet you felt it necessary to devote 24 of them to an irrelevant and misleading slur on our country.

    Yet still accurate.

    Just like GM, America needs to acknowledge problems and fix them, not label anyone who complains as whiny, disloyal or treasonous. Just because someone’s point doesn’t agree with your ideology doesn’t make them wrong.

  • avatar
    ugolino

    Why do people insist on calling this car a “Corvette Z51″? Z51 is an option code, it simply means that the car has a stiffer suspension spring and different shocks…THAT’S IT. If it had the dual roof panel option C2L you wouldn’t call it the “Corvette C2L”. Or the “Corvette F55″ (adjustable suspension) which is acually superior to the Z51. Or the “Corvette UV6″ (HUD). I find it laughable that owners of corvettes with the Z51 option code seem to think that their car is so much different from a base model that it deserves its own designation. Perhaps it’s Z06 envy that causes this.

  • avatar
    thetopdog

    netrun :

    The squeaks come from the removable targa top. I have never sat in another car with a similar roof (there are only a few cars produced with that kind of roof) but I would imagine they all squeak to a certain extent.

  • avatar
    bunkie

    “how come not these guys?”

    There’s no way a fiberglass body-on-frame car with such high performance is not going to squeak. It’s the nature of the beast.

    It’s a truly American car. For many, it makes all the right tradeoffs. The foremost of which is affordability. For that, we love it. What could be more American?

  • avatar
    dolo54

    Having fixed all the squeaks on my car (t-tops) I’ll give you a hint. Felt Tape. Shit does wonders. I bet if you got a $5 roll of the stuff and went around the targa with it squeaks would be gone.

  • avatar

    At 1700rpm, the Corvette is doing exactly 68mph! I must admit I wondered about the same thing; it seemed unimaginable that it would be geared so that it was basically idling at 60 mph in sixth gear.

    And on the “slur”, surely one can believe there is a failing in one’s country of residence, one’s car or one’s spouse and not be guilty of a “slur” against that thing or entity. What’s up with that? Compared to my wife, I’m a slob; when she says it, it’s not a “slur”, but the truth from her perspective.

  • avatar
    Phil Ressler

    I’ve been in and around sports cars continuously since before I could drive. My ownership history includes one Corvette, and another car derived from Corvette’s chassis and many mechanicals. One good reason Corvettes are designed for people that never will sit in a Porsche is that there are a lot of sports car drivers who do not fit in a Porsche. It’s baffling that in a world with a solid correlation between height and general affluence peaking at about 6’4″, many fairly expensive cars cannot accommodate that person’s frame.

    Even if I liked the 911 (it’s not even remotely possible for me at 6’3″ to fit in a Boxster or Cayman) or thought it was a good idea to pay for the excess engineering required to compensate for locating the big weight way out back, I couldn’t comfortably drive one for more than 20 minutes. Having owned a Corvette that I drove well over 100,000 miles, much of which was accumulated five hours at a time, I am totally sold on Corvettes as long-distance machines. Five-hundred or a thousand miles in a Corvette — invigorating and refreshing. I’ve arrived at destinations less fatigued than when I left!

    As for the squeaks, compare like for like. The standard Corvette is a targa. I’ve scrunched myself into the passenger seats of numerous friends’ Porsche Targas over the years and heard at least as many squeaks and rattles as any Corvette. And don’t get me started on the interior din of every 928 I’ve driven. My Corvette convertible was no chattier than a similar vintage Porsche droptop. You want fewer extraneous noises? Try a Z06. The roof isn’t detachable and guess what? It sounds like a coupe — i.e. quieter. If the Corvette driven here was shod with run-flat rubber, you’d be guaranteed some buzzing and squeaking when those rock sidewalls are combined with the stiffer bushings in the Z51 suspension.

    I’m not sure where the “fake leather” is in the Corvette interior. The seating surfaces are leather and as in most cars some of the vertical seat upholstery surfaces are not. Common, if lamentable, practice for many years throughout the industry, even in more expensive cars. The touch points — steering wheel, shift knob, e-brake handle — are leather in every Vette I’ve seen recently. Plastic? Sure. Show me a car that doesn’t have plastic for some interior surfaces. You can buy more leather from the options checklist, but most people appreciate that the money went into evolving the mechanicals. We who own / have owned Corvettes really don’t see the problem. And since the car sells in market-leading numbers for its category most years, the market doesn’t either.

    I don’t see the difference between fake carbon fiber and real carbon fiber for cosmetic surfaces. They both suck but the aesthetic infects numerous cars. I wish it didn’t here. Unless said carbon fiber is structural as in portions of the ZR1, it offends. At least the fake stuff costs less, leaving more for the mechanicals, and it doesn’t turn yellow.

    Now clearly, a Corvette isn’t for everyone, nor should it be. It’s a far more visceral car than most people want or can assimilate. It’s a sports car so NVH will be alarming to someone socialized to sedan serenity. It appears too dramatic and low for some tastes. Such people can buy something else. It’s the very nature of sports cars to not be perfect. They are highly flavored experiences with specific trade-offs chosen by each maker, and anyone who doesn’t like extraneous noises should never buy a targa or convertible with a stiff suspension. Which means everything Jonny is complaining about is irrelevant to the sector.

    Phil

  • avatar
    Edward Niedermeyer

    After review, it seems the ‘vette was actually turning 2,400 rpm at 100 mph. Text amended.

  • avatar

    Hahahahahaha oh Lieberman you scamp. I was wondering how many replies there would be before someone took umbrage at that last bit. I think the comparison was apt, I’ve no complaints. Hee hee I do love a scandal, thanks for getting people a little bristly.

    That said, YER A DAMN AMERICA HATER saying our healthcare system doesn’t work right is a treasonous slur.

    Also, despite the niggles of interior squeaks and such, I think the ‘vette is a hot hot car and would be quite happy to own one rather than a Porsche, largely out of patriotism.

  • avatar
    BEAT

    Bostonian or People from Massachusetts love this car and the Mustang.

    I don’t undertand why people who complain about the interior.
    I mean I don’t see any bad things about the interior the NAV system is just the right size, the gauges are pretty cool, the stick is short shifter with a compartment on the passenger side.

    I mean BMW doesn’t even make good interior and people buy them which I don’t understand is it the name or just status symbol.

    When you buy a corvette it is not a status symbol and it means only one thing You like “fast American car”

    Corvette is USA
    People who drives Vettes think only one thing how fast can they go with this car.

    I Like the blue covrvette better on Autoblog

    BY THE WAY TOP GEAR DROVE THIS CAR AND THEY LOVE IT.

    Especially Jeremy and he owns one. They never complaint about the squeaky sound doing 150 mph on their track

  • avatar
    Qusus

    Brilliant Jonny. Especially the last paragraph. Glory and failure indeed.

  • avatar
    BEAT

    About squeaking sound, you put a penny on the cup holder and then drive the car. every time the car hits a hole You will think that the whole car is squeaking.
    Put something on the door panel a small pin and that small pin can create big sqeaking sound.

    If the corvette got good quality audio system with high Bass that will make the panel to shake or make squeaking sound.

    Common now FOLKS ALL CARS SQUEAKS

  • avatar
    Mark MacInnis

    50 Merc: +1

    Johnny L…..the flame nanny may get me, but if you could leave the political agenda on the side in these reviews, I think people would enjoy them more.

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    Johnny L…..the flame nanny may get me, but if you could leave the political agenda on the side in these reviews, I think people would enjoy them more.

    It’s only a political agenda if you don’t agree with it.

  • avatar
    wsn

    psarhjinian said:

    Where Toyota is the determined student that gets B+’s and A-’s across the board, GM’s the flighty genius that splits between a few A+’s in the subjects it cares about, a fleet of C-’s and more than a few D’s in those where it barely shows up to class.

    I do not agree.

    Toyota still gets more A+’s. Just that GM’s A+’s are more noticeable in a sea of C-‘s.

    People tend to over-emphasis a bad student’s potential, while equating hardworking to lack of ingenuity. That’s a very common, and wrong, stereotype. There are many hardworking genius out there. Toyota is one of them.

  • avatar
    Lokki

    God Help Me! I’m going to agree with Phil.

    The Corvette is a great car. Sure there are things to quibble about, and there are real faults, but none of the quibbles or even the faults diminish the functionality of the car.

    Dollar for Dollar, Yen, or Euro, nothing else out there outperforms the vette. Although I’m a Euro-car guy, I’d still love a Vette, even knowing all the things I would’nt like about it.

    We forgive old English cars their electrical systems and their oil leaks, and we forgive the Italian cars their “ain’t gonna run today” foibles, and the Japanese cars their lack of soul.

    Sure, she may rattle a little, but she’ll still beat your time around the Ring, unless you took at least 75K more out of your bank account first.

    Finally, at the end of the day is this old truth:

    If you laid all the girls who’ve been picked up in a Porsche end to end, the line would stretch half way around the world…. but you couldn’t lay all the girls who’ve been picked up in Corvettes.

    ‘Nuff said.

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    Mark: How is that political? American schools produce the best doctors in the world, hands down, and 40,000,000+ Americans do not have health insurance.

    That’s a statement of fact.

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    Lokki: I’m with Phil, too.

    I did give it four stars, after all.

  • avatar
    Cole Trickle

    I would like to report abuse. All caps is YELLING.

    Next QOTD: Top 10 things you can tell about some one who types in all caps on a web forum. Flame nanny be darned.

  • avatar
    Casual Observer

    Lacking health insurance does not disqualify you from seeing a doctor, so the statement is just inaccurate.

    There are 1,001 programs uninsured people have to access healthcare, and all of them are free or cheaper than the health insurance we unlucky saps have to pay for.

    Otherwise, thanks for the review.

  • avatar

    you don’t need a blower to approach z06 power levels.

    Even the olde tymey LS1 in the C5 could hit 500 hp with bolt ons, heads and cams (~$5000).

  • avatar
    NickR

    How tall can you be and still fit in a vette. I am 6’4″ and the last time I sat in one I was badly scrunched. I certainly couldn’t drive it. Not sure what performance car I do fit in, really.

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    Casual Observer: Ah ha ha ha ha ha!

  • avatar
    postjosh

    great review, jonny. the doctor thing is interesting. at first i was annoyed that you were going off topic but then i realized that it was a perfect analogy. our country has just spent 8 years equating criticism with anti-americanism. time we got over it…

    back to the corvette thing… does anyone know if there are any companies that specialize in upgrading the interior of a corvette at a reasonable cost? there are so many after market tuners boosting the mechanicals but i’ve never read anything about just upgrading the interior.

  • avatar

    the last time I sat in one I was badly scrunched. I certainly couldn’t drive it. Not sure what performance car I do fit in, really.

    My brother-in-law was visiting and needed to use a car. He is 6′-5″ and said he would prefer not to drive our weeks-old BMW, but would take my wife’s S2000 instead. He sort-of got into the car and started laughing – he couldn’t get his knees below the dashboard because the space between the seatback and the dash was shorter than the distance from his butt to his knee. The S2000 is a great car as well, but if you’re much over 6′-0″ or long-legged, look elsewhere.

    Jonny made a good point, by the way. He gave the ‘vette four stars and I’d count that a thumbs up. I would never have considered any previous-generation Corvette as they just looked too big. The current model is gorgeous and every car has its compromises, even the hallowed 911.

  • avatar
    Johnny Canada

    @phil
    It’s baffling that in a world with a solid correlation between height and general affluence…..

    Is that true? Damn, 6’2″ and I’m still rollin’ in a 5 year old car. Thanks for the bring down.

  • avatar
    Ralph SS

    “If you laid all the girls who’ve been picked up in a Porsche end to end, the line would stretch half way around the world…. but you couldn’t lay all the girls who’ve been picked up in Corvettes.”

    But, God, would I like to try.

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    That’s a very common, and wrong, stereotype. There are many hardworking genius out there. Toyota is one of them.

    I was actually alluding to some of my own less than stellar academic moments (before flunking a semester, getting on probation, smartening up and getting my sh_t together before I was out several grand), as well as those of a few people I know. Smarter people can get bored, and when they get bored, they phone it in.

    I don’t think Toyota is a “genius” organization in terms of the products they produce. In terms of process and strategy, that’s not the case, but their actual output is solid B+ across the board. I can’t think of a single outright terrible Toyota made in the last twenty years, but I can’t think of anything superlative, either.

    With GM, I can think of a few real bright spots, the Corvette being perhaps the shiniest. But they’ve hit lows that Toyota hasn’t had nightmares of reaching since 1970. Honda, ironically, falls into the same boat: when they’re right, they really right; when they’re wrong, they’re bad. They’re just wrong less often.

    If I had to put pen to paper and call a company’s products the result of hard work and genius, I don’t know who I’d point to. BMW? Porsche? Someone with offerings that are universally excellent. I can’t say.

    Is that true? Damn, 6′2″ and I’m still rollin’ in a 5 year old car. Thanks for the bring down.

    It’s because you actually are short.

  • avatar
    essen

    “Corvettes are designed by people that have never sat inside a Porsche for people that never will sit inside a Porsche.”
    “But maybe you should skip Corvettes altogether and buy– oh I don’t know– a Porsche 911?”
    OK we get it. You like Porsches and you think Corvettes are for lower-class people from NJ. You nitpick the Corvette about things don’t really matter (the heads-up digital display and the analog speedometer disagree by one MPH? Can you honestly read a moving analog display to within one mph?)while ignoring the Porsche 911 inherently stupid and outdated design of hanging the engine behind the rear axle, which only survives because of “tradition” (i.e. stubborness) and is only viable in a modern car because of compensating electronics. Even Porsche’s own less-expensive Cayman is a better handling car, (albeit underpowered and still overpriced. And it’s interior is nothing great either). BTW, I have owned (and sat in) 4 Porsches and still own one. And I have owned 3 Corvettes and still own a Z06, for which I traded my Cayman. And IMO, the C5 is a better looking car than the C6, which is less graceful looking and too busy. But that must be a NJ thing (which I live in but don’t “heart”)

  • avatar
    pfingst

    @Jonny: No health insurance != access to doctors. Doctors still take cash (or credit cards), and in fact probably prefer it – they get paid quicker, and it reduces their expenses because their staff doesn’t need to deal with the paperwork involved. You can argue that lack of access to health insurance is a problem, but no insurance doesn’t mean that you can’t go see a doctor. Whether you can afford to pay for it without insurance is a different problem. In fact, you can make an argument that health insurance has priced health care into the stratosphere by removing the incentive for the end user to be price conscious – after all, they don’t pay for it, the insurance company does.

  • avatar
    johnthacker

    Yet still accurate.

    No, it’s wildly inaccurate. There’s an incredible difference between “not having insurance” and “not having access to a doctor.”

    After all, if you read various academic papers, you’ll see that education has a stronger effect than having insurance on access to and consumption of health care. You’ll also see that somewhere between one-quarter and three-quarters of the uninsured could afford insurance, depending on definition and by comparing them to people in similar circumstances who do purchase insurance.

    Many of those without insurance are the young and healthy who would essentially be subsidizing health care of the sicker and don’t want to do so, particularly in states like New York and New Jersey with “community rating” where insurance must be issued at an average community rate even with a pre-existing conditions. In those states, if you’re young and healthy, it makes sense to not purchase insurance until you get sick.

    That latter point, of course, is why every universal health care coverage plan discusses the idea of making it mandatory for young healthy people to purchase insurance (or at least imposing significant tax penalties if they don’t.)

    And even aside from that, we have a system where the uninsured still have access to doctors and care, just through the emergency room, since emergency rooms aren’t allowed to turn people away for lack of payment. That doesn’t make it efficient at all, but again it’s not the same as not being allowed to see doctors.

    In some ways you could argue that all this makes the US health care system more perverse, certainly. But it’s not the same as not having access to care. (A separate issue is things like the RAND longitudinal study and many similar other studies that suggest that as much as half of health care is wasted spending and subsidizes inefficient care is another issues.)

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    pfingst & johnthacker: ah ha ha ha ha ha!

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    essen: I never said I liked Porsches.

    Nor did I say Corvettes are for lower class people.

    AND I gave the Corvette 4 stars, meaning I liked it very much.

    But, apparently the poor have it better than the rich in this country (at least in terms of health care) so what the hell do I know?

  • avatar
    essen

    Authors and Commentators:

    In the future lets talk about cars instead of (non-car related) politics

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    essen: I’ll keep my own council on that, thanks.

  • avatar
    frizzlefry

    Beat: “Common now FOLKS ALL CARS SQUEAKS”

    My 2004 Audi A6 Bi-Turbo with 65,000kms on it does not…except the leather when I sit down on it with my leather jacket on.

  • avatar
    akear

    Both the G8 and Corvette have taken heat for some cheap interior bits. Both these cars have “almost there” interiors. They is just a little bit of cheapness holding them back from greatness.

    Since the Zeta is going the way of the dodo bird maybe a comparison is now irrelevant.

  • avatar
    meefer

    I’d get one and return my Lexus to stock to have a Jekyll and Hyde garage.

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    akear: The G8’s interior is great. In fact, with the exception of stuff like Spykers, the G8 has my favorite interior. All business, no cheap, insulting stuff.

    To reiterate what I wrote — this Corvette actually has fake carbon fiber on top of fake leather. Mind blowing.

  • avatar
    charleywhiskey

    Jonny: “…so what the hell do I know?” America produces the world’s fastest sports car for under $60,000 but 40,000,000 people can’t afford it?

  • avatar
    Bridge2far

    Hey Lieberman. Why don’t you come visit us here in Jersey. I’d like “the boys” to meet you and give you a proper welcome. Maybe a nice dinner and some Espresso. Then maybe a tour of the Meadowlands at night…

  • avatar
    thetopdog

    Jonny:

    I agree that the fake carbon fiber is unnecessary, but what’s really the difference between fake carbon fiber and real carbon fiber in the cabin? They both feel exactly the same-like hard plastic. The fake stuff doesn’t look great, but the real stuff doesn’t really do it for me inside a car (outside the car is a different story) either. It’s not as bad as you’re making it sound

    And doesn’t almost every $50,000 car have fake leather? Isn’t that what you’re getting in Boxsters, Caymans and 911s unless you pay more for the genuine article?

  • avatar

    The difference between fake carbon fibre and real carbon fibre is the size of the owner’s ego. Real carbon is for cocks who like to brag about perfomance (see BMW M3). Fake carbon is for even bigger cocks who like to brag about performance while having none (see Civic, Cavalier, Neon, et al).

    The Corvette is clearly an exception to this general rule.

  • avatar
    timd38

    I love my C6 Z51 far more than I more than I ever liked my Porsche and I can afford to own ot.

  • avatar
    Phil Ressler

    And doesn’t almost every $50,000 car have fake leather? Isn’t that what you’re getting in Boxsters, Caymans and 911s unless you pay more for the genuine article?

    Where did this idea of fake leather in $25,000+ cars come from? It’s not fake, it’s just highly processed and heavily treated to resist wear, UV, moisture and stains. The result of that processing is leather that doesn’t feek much like your shoes or leather jacket, but it’s not vinyl.

    The non-seating panels on seats, on the other hand, often are vinyl even in a leather interior until you get above $50,000 price points and even then, sometimes.

    Alcantara, on the other hand, *is* synthetic suede, not leather at all. It’s a non-woven microfiber fabric that feels like sueded leather, but is tougher and keeps its new appearance quite a long time. That’s one example of the synthetic alternative being the better material even aesthetically.

    Phil

  • avatar
    akear

    With the Zeta platform heading for the scrap heap the merits of the G8 will be lost on most American car buyers. The Corvette will live on warts and all.
    In its price range the Corvette is the world’s fastest car. The interior is above average for a GM vehicle. It will only improve with time.

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    No, it’s wildly inaccurate. There’s an incredible difference between “not having insurance” and “not having access to a doctor.”

    It’s a technical difference, not a functional one. When you can’t afford to see a doctor or get a necessary procedure done, you have no real access to care.

    The difference between fake carbon fibre and real carbon fibre is the size of the owner’s ego.

    Now, to be fair, there’s a limited number of ways you can dress up an interior—the alternative is the relentless black a la the Hyundai Tiburon, or spending astronomical amounts of money. My Saab has fake carbon fibre trim, which I’ll take over fake wood (tacky), fake aluminum (tacky, scratch-prone), real chrome (oh god, my eyes!) or the bare, dark-grey plastic that lies beneath. It’s subtle, but not stark.

    The Corvette is similar: real trim would boost the price, the other fakeries (Wood? in a ‘Vette?) are just wrong, and the bare plastic would look, well, like the aforementioned Tibby.

  • avatar
    ra_pro

    Contrary to what many say in these comments the last paragraph is brilliant and it’s the kind of political/economic insight that is rarely offered in a car review or any other review.

    Excellent review.

  • avatar
    onerareviper

    I’m not sure where many of the reviewers + members of this site live. Many sound European, “not that there’s anything wrong with that.” That being said, a 2009 Corvette with the Z51 option can be had in the USA for $45,000 grand any day of the week. The remaining 2008’s on the lots for a bit less. Why is this important? Well, because the car you want to compare is $25,000 more. STRIPPED. Yes, a base 911 Carrera 2WD with basically tires cost $70,000. In reality, you’d be hard pressed to find a Porsche with no options. Now, let’s add a few options to equal what’s already in the $45,000 Vette. That bumps the price up at least $5,000. Probably $10,000. So in reality, you’re comparing a $45,000 car to a $75,000-$80,000 car. When you consider what $30,000+ can buy you, it really makes you appreciate the Vette. Sure, it’s not perfect. But good Lord, for $45,000!!!! 1.0G’s in the corners! 0-60 in 4 ticks! 12.4 @ 117 in the 1/4 mile! 191MPH top speed! Beat cars costing twice on a road course! Great fuel economy for performance! Very reliable + cheap to repair! In other words, how hard is it to overlook an ‘average’ interior? And it is ‘average’, not horrible. Yes, horrible compared to a Porsche or Aston. But not horrible compared to the average car. Heck, if it really bothers you that much spend 10 G’s for a custom interior that will blow Porsche’s out of the water. And still walk around with 20+ G’s in your pocket.

    Now I don’t know what Vette’s sell for in Europe. If they equal the cost of a 911, then yes, I can accept the criticism. EQUAL price, and I’d take a 911 as well. But 30K+ less? Give me the Vette and a sweet family hauler with the remaining 30K+.

  • avatar
    carveman

    A couple of years go I got passed by a GT3 RS at a track day at Road America . I found the owner in the pits and told him that when he went by me it was the third best sexual experience I had ever had.

  • avatar
    dolo54

    pfingst & johnthacker: what crack are you guys smoking? have you ever been to an emergency room with no insurance? they let you sit there and rot. you think people with no money and no insurance go to doctors for preventative medicine? as taxpayers, we actually pay more for emergency procedures to people who should’ve had preventative care a long time ago. you guys are completely out of touch. everybody knows we have the worst health care in the “1st world”.

  • avatar
    ihatetrees

    dolo54:
    everybody knows we have the worst health care in the “1st world”.

    HA! Ever heard of Canada? I live near the border. Many US doctors’ 2nd BMW has been purchased with Canadians’ cash flocking across to skip MRI (and other) waiting lists.

    BTW, great review, Johnny. However, I need to pile on. Lack of insurance != lack of access.

    The fact is, POS Chronic Drug Addict Homeless Person in NYC will probably get better, more cutting edge treatment for a heart condition than a CEO based in Toronto. (That is, if said POS doesn’t sell his meds on the black market.)

    Many so-called progressive nations CRIMINALIZE independent doctor-patient contracts and payments. You can pay cash to get your DOG an MRI, but not yourself. Good luck with that in the land of the 2nd amendment…

  • avatar
    Buckshot

    “Sort of like how the country that produces the best doctors in the world doesn’t allow 20 percent of its citizenry access to them.”

    Which country is that?
    How do you decide which country has the best doctors?

  • avatar
    dolo54

    @ ihatetrees: actually I’ve been to an ER in Toronto. They treated me right away as opposed to any ER I’ve been to in NYC. And yes homeless people get treatment under medicaid. Guess who pays for it. As for the average American with no insurance and no coverage under medicaid… not so much.

  • avatar
    postjosh

    dolo54:

    The fact is, POS Chronic Drug Addict Homeless Person in NYC will probably get better, more cutting edge treatment for a heart condition than a CEO based in Toronto. (That is, if said POS doesn’t sell his meds on the black market.)

    the fact that you feel it necessary to use pos as an adjective to describe a chronic drug addict homeless person says much more about your character than it does about said human being.

  • avatar
    CarnotCycle

    Given the prospects for the company, it might be a good investment to pick one of these bad boys up and stash it in a storage box for thirty years. This car could very well be a classic for being the last “true” Corvette from the “true” GM as currently understood to be a private company. Might be pricey collector’s item down the road.

    At the current rate, GM will be a perverse version of Amtrak in ten years, and the Corvette they sell then could be a Pelosi-mobile with an Atkinson 1 liter and recyclable bodywork (the Adobe!)…with the same interior as today’s Corvette.

  • avatar
    JJ

    Health care is expensive…maybe more expensive then we can afford even in these times of economic boom (temporary crisis notwithstanding).

    Right here in the Netherlands, the welfare state makes sure (almost) everyone, that is everyone except some illegals maybe, has health care. However, everyone has the same health care, rich, poor whatever. This means that it’s good for average diseases or fractures etc, but not so much for people who have more rare diseases, because they just fall outside the regular protocols, and are at the mercy of the medics for what kind of testing and treatments they get.

    However, these people who fall of the radar still have to pay the high taxes and health care insurance, for which they get nothing back. On top of that, private care is very thinly spread because of all kinds of restrictions from the government. All of these things are why for most medical innovations these days, Europe (some countries more than others) is dependant on the US and other free market health care systems (with some exceptions of course).

    Is it really fair to sacrifice good healthcare to people who pay for it for the sake of frankly mediocre health care that everyone can access…? Even if the US system isn’t perfect, 100% public healthcare can’t be either.

  • avatar
    postjosh

    how about basic health care for everyone and supplemental high end health care for those who can afford it? now, can we get back to cars?

  • avatar
    PanzerJaeger

    Why inject politics into a car review… especially such easily disproved lies?

    I mean, obviously with the election and all its in vogue to be critical of the United States, but with so many avenues on the internet for such bashing, why force it on people who just want to read about the car? Even here on TTAC, there are two far more appropriate places to try and draw similarities between GM and the US healthcare system – the news blog and the editorials.

    Of course such poor choices should be forgiven during these times, as some people become overwhelmed with the politics of the day. In a few days Mr. Obama will be sworn in and all with be right with the world. Hopefully its all out of Mr. Lieberman’s system now, and we can get back to the cars.

    It was an otherwise decent review. Well done.

  • avatar
    onerareviper

    Geez… I was expecting some rebutals or atta-boys from my post. Or at least a few responses to the main review. Then I read 10 posts on healthcare. WTF?

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    Why NOT inject politics into a car review?

    Especially as the government is handing billions over?

    And my point stands — Like America, the Corvette is massively wonderful yet still very flawed.

  • avatar
    CarnotCycle

    Injecting politics into the situation is something GM literally asked for, so that meme impacts all they do and are at this point.

    However I still believe these various generation 6 Corvettes will be remembered as an especially bright point during especially dark times for a legendary corporation.

    And that fact will make these cars very valuable twenty years down the road.

    I wonder which aftermarket tuner/customizer has the best ‘Vette interior change-out? There must be a cottage industry for it at this point if the interior is so bad.

  • avatar
    KnightRT

    >Why NOT inject politics into a car review?

    Now you’re just being obstinate. The review is about the Corvette. We should be discussing the Corvette, not a red herring about the US healthcare system. Throwing in that comparison was almost akin to trolling.

    > And my point stands — Like America, the Corvette is massively wonderful yet still very flawed.

    You could have made that point a hundred different ways with far more apt subject matter. I don’t think you appreciate the complexity of providing care in this country, and that’s why it’s a weak analogy. I just devoted a semester to two thousand pages of case law and policy on this precise subject, and I still feel as if I’ve only skimmed the surface. Is this really what you want to talk about?

  • avatar
    thetopdog

    onerareviper :

    I totally understand your points and I agree with you completely. I would love to own a Viper someday too

    On a side note, I’ve been to the ER in Toronto when I sprained my ankle badly. They put me in a wheelchair and made me wait for a long time, I got sick of waiting, got up from the wheelchair, and limped out. I have no idea if that’s standard for ERs in Canada or the US, but it was kind of annoying. Not that my little anecdote has anything to do with cars

  • avatar
    pfingst

    @dolo54: Yes, I have been to an emergency room without insurance. I was treated within an hour or so, even though my case was not an emergency as such. Emergency rooms treat emergencies first (surprise, surprise), and the rest when they can get to it. I had to pay for it myself, and it wasn’t cheap, but I was not denied care because of no insurance.

    Right, that’s enough, now back to cars.

  • avatar
    jkross22

    Jonny,

    I don’t believe you intended on kicking a beehive, but I’ve been highly entertained by the result.

    Well done. While I disagree with your politics in most cases, I appreciate you NOT shying away from them when comparisons are simply unavoidable due to the idiocracy that has taken over GM, Chrysler, the UAW and to some extent, Ford.

    Keep it coming my man.

    Change of topic: What’s the ETA on a G8 GXP 6 speed review? I had seen one pop up on Ebay, but it sold quickly.

  • avatar
    Patrick McSwain

    It really depends on what you expect out of a sportscar. My living room is actually fairly nice, so for me, cheazy American Plastic works fine. I don’t need cheazy European Plastic as an upgrade. If I want beautiful surroundings, I’m damn well not sitting in cars to get it. Try the mountains or deserts instead.

    But this is common complaint by automotive writers when referring to American cars, they just cut and paste the Interior Bites paragraph in the word processor before they even get the keys.

    Face it, the latest C5 and C6 Corvettes are perhaps the best sportscars on Earth if you take fuel economy and pricing into consideration. If you don’t? They still cut laps and generate timeslips with the best of the true production sportscars regardless of price.

    I buy sportscars for racing purposes. If I want to drive like granny, heck, I think even Porsche can hook me up. If your tires and brakes last 10,000mi on a sportscar, you didn’t buy it because it IS a sportscar, you bought because it LOOKS like one, and you want the peasants to assume you’re Mario. Trust me, they don’t care. Buy a Rolex instead, they depreciate less.

    I did get a chuckle when you hadn’t a clue why folk would buy a Z06 version. Uh. Let me think. It’s faster? Some the hotshoes have pushed the 505HP Z06 into high 10 second range at the dragstrip in stock trim. Well, a tire change is allowed. The LS7 has a dry sump, titanium rods, ported heads, forged pistons, etc. If you think you can turn up a LS3, wait until you find out what a nice massage does to the engine that dominates endurance racing. And you don’t just slap a blower on NA LS3 engine with high compression and powdered metal rods and expect it to be a real money-saver version of a ZR1. It just doesn’t come out well.

    I’ll also admit I’m puzzled how you could run 12.4 at 117 in anything. If you are going through the lights at 117, you better be doing it in about 11.8 seconds, or have no business near a dragstrip. Heck my wife ran the 2002 Vette (405hp Z06) to 11.95 when it came out, and she doesn’t test them for a living.

    So sure, trash it because the cheap plastic is not imported cheap plastic, but gosh, if you want to rate sportscars, first look up what Sport is all about.

  • avatar
    golden2husky

    akear: The G8’s interior is great. In fact, with the exception of stuff like Spykers, the G8 has my favorite interior. All business, no cheap, insulting stuff.…

    You are not serious, are you? I checked out this car with high hopes and I was really disappointed with the G8’s cost cutting on the interior materials. Many things were executed properly, but some of the glaring omissions (like the door panels) were appalling. So close to being a great car, yet compromised by a few hundred bucks by the beancounters. Note to GM: when $500 is what it will take to fix this stuff, spend it and charge $500 more. Otherwise, you will just be giving $1000 or more away in factory rebates…

    Patrick McSwain: +10. That summed things up perfectly.

    Politics in reviews/comments: Fine with it provided the political topic has at least some correlation to the automotive world. Things like safety, emissions, mileage regs, environment, ok. I fully understand JL’s statement and one could make a decent argument for the accuracy of it. However, when a statement is made more to create a non related argument, than to make a point, all it does is serve to hijack a topic. Throw in a comment about abortion, Bush, Fox News, welfare, or just what does a “well established militia” mean and there goes any hope of getting back to cars.

  • avatar
    CommanderFish

    Steering wheel numbness? No way. That sounds awfully familiar…

    Oh yeah, that’s because every modern Chevy has a numb steering wheel.

    Must be a “feature” they decided to include on even their best cars

  • avatar
    Qusus

    Guys, the theme of the last paragraph is that a Corvette symbolizes Americana. The health care thing doesn’t come out of nowhere, you can tell that the writer is setting up the comparison from the beginning.

    Health care is frankly, a brilliant analogy given the Corvette is viewed as an iconic American car. Unless of course, you already think either the Corvette or America is perfect.

    And some people in the U.S. have substantially worse health care than others (and only qualifying for health care via emergency room counts as substantially worse in my book). If you think that’s not a problem, fine. Just like it’s fine if you don’t think it’s a problem that Corvettes have terrible interiors. But please try to understand that some of us can both absolutely love the Corvette AND think that interior is squeaky and terrible. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. That was Jonny’s point. See what I’m getting at here?

  • avatar
    Patrick McSwain

    Did you know you can “tighten up” the steering feel on the C5/C6 vettes with simple hand tools in 5 minutes? The Z06 even comes with a video tape explaining it.

    The average person would complain if they bought a car with an AutoX or Roadrace suspension setup or even if it lacked a radio or A/C. Wimps! Just kidding.

    So the factory specs on the toe and camber on the both the front and rear are targeted at smooth city street operation when delivered.

    I guarantee you, my car with it’s little adjustments and tires will make most drivers think it’s squirrely on city streets until they adapt.

    It’s no surprise that Corvettes have dominated Stock SCCA AutoX competition for years now. The Porsche might be smaller, but it’s not up to the task in the tight stuff. You aren’t allowed to do anything but change tires, shocks, and make minor adjustments. It’s not a horsepower competition, it’s pure handling from 20-75mph and it’s where the Corvette shows why it has flags as a logo.

    But the newer high performance sportscars have a serious problem. They have more potential than an untrained driver can deal with. The Viper was perhaps the first “affordable” hypercar that experienced this, and very few could even get solid quarter mile times from it at first. I call it the Ferrari Syndrome. Sometimes for an average driver, better handling and more power actually slows them down. Today, it’s being handled with electronics to “save you”. Thankfully you can turn it off on the Corvette and most other cars so equipped. It will burn up your brakes and add seconds to your laps if you leave the “nanny” awake.

  • avatar
    Patrick McSwain

    Since the thread isn’t really about race cars with license plates and stereos:

    You will get sick. You will die. Period. Whether you are rich, or whether you are poor. No matter who you send your taxes to.

    Sign your organ donor card, and save a life when yours is over.

    Enjoy life and leave the world a better place than when you arrived here. That can mean just to make folk smile a bit more, or to cure cancer, or to put a man on Mars.

    I think the engineers and designers on the Corvette team have made our lives a little more fun, and did it with Super Low Emissions, and CAFE fuel economy. That ain’t bad.

    It sure puts a smile on my face every time I twist the key and crack the whip. Sometimes it takes an hour or so to wipe it off my face. :-D

  • avatar
    William C Montgomery

    The Truth About Health Insurance

    Approximately 40-50 million Americans lack medical insurance? This is a grossly distorted and misleading statistic. You can only get to it if you throw in people that are covered by existing governmental programs (e.g. Medicaid, State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), Medicare, etc.), people making more than $50K that elect not to get medical coverage, and about 10 million illegal aliens. Furthermore, according to the Congressional Budget Office, about 45% of those currently uninsured become insured within 4 month.

    Estimates of chronically uninsured Americans are in the neighborhood of 8 million, or less than 3% of the total population, none of who are denied care by emergencies rooms around the country. While this is still a big number and could be better, it hardly justifies nationalization of the U.S. healthcare industry or self-flagellating anti-American commentary.

    I would suggest that people not utilize alarmist statistics provided by such luminaries as Michael Moore.

    PS – I couldn’t agree more with JL’s assessment of the Vette.

  • avatar
    agenthex

    Nice review.

    I wanted to point out to the people justifying the poor interior with performance to figure what ratio of vette owners actually utilize that aspect of their cars.

    Approximately 40-50 million Americans lack medical insurance? This is a grossly distorted and misleading statistic. You can only get to it if you throw in people that are covered by existing governmental programs (e.g. Medicaid, State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), Medicare, etc.), people making more than $50K that elect not to get medical coverage, and about 10 million illegal aliens…..
    none of who are denied care by emergencies rooms around the country. While this is still a big number and could be better, it hardly justifies nationalization of the U.S. healthcare industry or self-flagellating anti-American commentary.

    Wait, you’re including gov coverage in your number to argue against “nationalization”? How does that work?

  • avatar
    doctorv8

    onerareviper:

    Attaboy. Your take was spot on, as usual. I don’t understand how people can slam the C6 interior that much…I think it’s above average…certainly not much worse than my Ruf 996 TT, and in many ways, quite a bit better….

    Patrick McSwain:

    You make some good points, but your wife is a helluva hotshoe running 11.98 in a stock C5Z. Running 12.4 at 117 on street tires is not bad, assuming the obvious soft launch. Hell, I could only run 11.3 at 130 in my C6Z on stock tires, letting off on the s1-2 shift due to wheelhop….but they ejected me for not having a rollbar before I could perfect the launch.

    Oh, and our LS7’s do NOT have forged pistons. The only LS motor w/the good slugs is the blown LS9.

    OK, back to curing cancer…. ;-)

  • avatar
    climbmatn

    i own porsche’s never a vette but i look. i like the look, when i read this i thought you ass if you like porsche that much get one but dont put down the vette. all my cars have squeaks and plenty of plastic. base models of all cars have plastic and plenty of it. shame on you if you have a valid gripe then put it down. you dont like the amount of plastic on a 400+hp car that costs $60k i dont understand what you are trying to say? i like all the comments but the review left me feeling i need to add my 2 cents.

  • avatar
    craiger

    My 2006 Porsche has fake aluminum (plastic) steering wheel inserts, too. There’s lots of silver painted plastic in my Porsche, actually.

    Give the ‘Vette a break. It’s an awesome car for the money.

    And what’s with “Sort of like how the country that produces the best doctors in the world doesn’t allow 20 percent of its citizenry access to them.”

    Are you trying to imply that people who choose not to buy health insurance do not have access to health care? Why don’t you stick to cars and stop commenting on topics that you aren’t familiar with?

  • avatar
    akirachan

    I would totally buy this car in a heartbeat if:

    1. I didn’t play bass = need to haul equipment.
    2. I had another parking space (I live in K-town).
    3. I had extra 80K?

    Seriously, who doesn’t want a killer vette like the C6 vettes?

    But due to reasons above, I happily bought a WRX wagon.

    Great review Jonny. My favorite is the last paragraph, last line: The Corvette is America, both in glory and failure.
    And here is the biggest proof: the Vette uses leaf springs underneath for its suspension system!

  • avatar
    robbieaz62

    Sort of like how the country that produces the best doctors in the world doesn’t allow 20 percent of its citizenry access to them.

    Come on now, how about some intellectual honesty here. What, are there armed guards checking insurance cards at hospitals now? Why is it the government’s responsibility to provide everyone health care anyway? The government is notorious for not running anything well or efficiently. Do you really want them in charge of your well-being? Besides that, the potential for increased scrutiny and regulation of the way you live will skyrocket if the government is responsible for your health. Sure, insurance companies can deny coverage for certain behaviors, but the government can pass laws. Wake up people!

    As to the car in question, I want one.

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    sheik480

    How long do you spend appreciating the inside of your car? For me, it was about five seconds when I sat in it at the dealer. All I paid attention to was the fact that the seat fit, the shifter and steering wheel were well placed, and the pedals were spaced right. True, I’m probably biased (my last car was an 86 Subaru, but I’ll keep it around when it snows), but my point is that interior quality makes very little difference unless you focus on silly details like whether or not the carbon fiber trim is real or fake. If you do, get a different f*ck’n’ car. As for the targa top, vasoline also works (it doesn’t smell like WD-40).

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    sheik480

    I think the reason why you wouldn’t just skip the corvette and get a 911 might have something to do with the 911 being $30,000 more expensive. I myself can hardly stand Porsche styling, but I’d sure love a Corvette.


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