By on February 7, 2007

07f250_sdoutlaw2.jpgFord seems determined to make sure each member of the Village People has a personalized ride. And why not? The cowboy and the leather-daddy already have their own trucks (the King Ranch and the Harley Davidson, respectively). I'm just having trouble deciding if the F250 Outlaw is aimed at the construction worker or the cop. No matter really, as there is plenty of room inside for both of those fabulous men and all their haute couture.

Let's not beat around President Bush’s truck; the Outlaw brings new meaning to the word "huge." It’s so tall the Ford website leaves the spec box blank. So I made my 6’7” friend stand next to it. He was shorter. Yukons, Lexus GX470s and Grand Cherokees look positively diminutive from the F250's high perch. MINIs? Fits? Yari? Like the big Ford lost a wheel.

Intimidation, thy name is Outlaw. I'm scared just imagining the primeval fear other drivers experienced as our seven-foot tall, all-black leviathan bore down on them. Even the boldest drivers wisely “chose” to swing to the right. And check out this apple; I was in the right lane and signaled to indicate I wanted into the fast lane. The BMW in my mirror did not speed up and attempt to pass me. No, he stayed put and let me over. In Los Angeles. It’s like driving Mike Tyson. Sure the Outlaw’s a guilty pleasure, but let’s be honest about this. What other kind of pleasure is there?

07f250_sdoutlaw1.jpgInside, the seats are bright red leather, just like a bordello. I love it. But FoMoCo didn't take it far enough. Everything needs to be red leather, especially the steering wheel. The seats themselves are garbage as is the rest of the interior. However, garbage dressed up to look like the Bunny Ranch would be A-OK in my (degenerate) book. Unfortunately, aside from the seats, the rest of the interior looks (and feels) like a mid-90s Dodge Stratus.

Pay it all no mind, as your eyes will be busy taking in scenic vista after epic sunset. The F250's outward visibility is so good that this uber-truck is easier to park than certain sedans (I’m looking at you, Stratus). The side mirrors may stick out fourteen inches off the body, but they are the most useful I've ever peered into.

I wouldn't have called this truck Outlaw. I would have called it Torqueamada. The 6.0L Power Stroke Turbo Diesel stumps up 570lbs. ft of the good stuff at a laughable 2,000rpm. The turbocharger is the size of a pumpkin. Not that I saw it (At 5'11" I can’t see over the hood) but judging by the two-second lag-time, it must be.

Once it spools however, the forward thrust is, to quote John Wayne, re-god-damn-diculous. Especially considering that the Outlaw is so heavy (6,395lbs) the EPA does not require mileage numbers to be listed on the sticker. So Ford doesn't. However, as it is a burner of oil, I averaged just over 15mpg in mixed, unburdened city/highway use. Which is amazing, as the Outlaw is larger than my old Manhattan apartment.

For a passenger vehicle the ride and handling are atrocious. But for a tugboat? Not bad. Let's not kid a kidder; even baby-butt smooth highways created enough raucous NVH to make me nauseous. I needed a triple bacon-cheeseburger just to settle my stomach. Turning the rudder, er, wheel of this twenty-foot big boy is hilarious. I neglected to count, but let’s assume 22 turns-to-lock. I felt like Sandra Bullock in Speed (and no, not because of the red leather). Eventually you'll get around a corner, and your forearms will be thankful for the workout.

07f350outlaw_01.jpgThe brake pedal is much more a suggestion that the Outlaw might want to think about slowing down than a direct order to halt. It's like tugging on a St. Bernard's leash. Maybe the big dog will stop? Or maybe it will get tired and lay down? Besides, should someone cross the Super Duty’s path, it's really their problem.

Towing, you want to talk towing? Is 15,000lbs. enough? It's not? Well, you can add a fifth-wheel which bumps the figure up to 18,800lbs. And I imagine for those of you that need to haul the Space Shuttle around your ranch in Montana, this is very exciting news. Plus, with four-wheels driven through a transfer case you'll handily get through whatever presents your Buffalo herd leaves you, no sweat.

If you're left scratching your head as to why I love such a hulking mass of extroverted madness, I am too. Especially since this week top scientists from 113 countries said, "there can be no question that the increase in greenhouse gases are dominated by human activities." Could it be that one man’s environmental nightmare is another man’s ideal ride? Yippie kay-ay mother******!

[Listen to RF and JL discuss the F250 below.] 

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95 Comments on “Ford F250 Super Duty Super Cab Lariat Outlaw 4×4 Review...”


  • avatar
    shaker

    I await the night when one of these comes up behind my ’97 Camaro RS, and sears my eyeballs (via the rear-view mirror) with its fog lights…

  • avatar
    Sid Vicious

    That seems to be a favorite “tough guy” move in my neck of the woods. A-holes that drive these things just love to light up the back of peoples heads for some reason.

    And for Ford’s sake they better hope they have all the issues resolved with the diesel motor. Words can’t describe people’s frustration with this POS.

    I can’t believe manufacturers just keep going bigger and bigger with something that is so squarely aimed at the personal use market. Insane.

  • avatar
    Sid Vicious

    And by the way, new regulations starting with 08 or 09 models require a lower maximum height for the headlamp function on monster trucks to address the annoyance (safety) issue. So this problem will get better, but the drivers will still be A-holes.

  • avatar
    nichjs

    From Europe, this seems totally alien.

  • avatar
    freude am fahren

    Pickup trucks are the new muscle cars. Poor handling, poorly built, but lots and lots of rear wheel drive power (as long as you are going straight and can us it.) But better yet they are even more intimidating than any old muscle car ever was. The diesel versions are even louder than most muscle cars.

    Give up the idea that these are bought primarily for work or hauling. They are bought because there are not many vehicles left that fulfill that vehicular desire.

  • avatar
    jerseydevil

    when these huge monsters shine their headlights in my car at stop lights, i adjust my rear view mirror to reflect it back into the truck drivers eyes. works like a charm. really pisses them off, too! HA!

  • avatar
    Claire

    Power stroke? Buyers of this thing are obviously compensating for the ol’ microphallus.

  • avatar
    jdv

    The writers on this site are all very witty. (But please don’t let it become forced!)

    My favorite line:
    “The turbocharger is the size of a pumpkin. Not that I saw it (At 5’11″ I can’t see over the hood) but judging by the two-second lag-time, it must be.”

    Outstanding!

  • avatar
    mikey

    Very nice truck and a good piece of work johnny.
    It wouldn’t be my choice,Too friggen big.Not the ideal vehicle in the urban enviroment,
    I don’t feel its necesary to beat up the demographic group that would buy one of these vehicles.
    There must be better ways to judge folks,other than the vehicle,they choose to drive.

  • avatar
    Zarba

    Johnny:

    What was the sticker price on the behemoth?

    Couldn’t Ford come up with a longer name? They could call it “Climate Change My Ass”

  • avatar
    ash78

    I would have called it Torqueamada

    That is the best quip I have read in 3 years of coming to this site. Well-played and pretty obscure! (Pops)

    Thankfully, most of these things I see are actually towing horse trailers or fifth wheel campers, which limits their hoonage. I don’t mind vehicles like this, I just want to see them used for their intended purpose. This thing is just a couple notches below a semi tractor. Oh, and it’s still a couple feet shorter than the Dodge supercab competitor. I can’t even imagine…

  • avatar
    mdanda

    Ever play the Microsoft Midtown Madness driving game (circa 2000)? It includes a simulation of an F-250 that you can drive around the city and crash into other cars. It’s pretty sweet.

  • avatar
    amclint

    jerseydevil…have you ever been ran over for doing that? I would be nervous parring with a truck that likely weighs double what my car does….

    I hate these things when they used to pass me up a hill, freaking belch of black smoke from a downshift is so nasty.

  • avatar
    TexasAg03

    Especially since this week top scientists from 113 countries said, “there can be no question that the increase in greenhouse gases are dominated by human activities.”

    Yeah, and a few hundred years ago all the “top scientists” said that the earth was the center of the universe. They also used to think that the earth was flat.

    http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    The price is the best part.

    $50,185.

    However, as it weighs over 3-tons, Torquemada can take advantage of the SUV loophole. Thatnks to Uncle Sam, Ford is quite literally giving them away.

    http://www.bankrate.com/brm/itax/biz_tips/20030403a1.asp

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    Texas,

    Actually, hundreds of years ago the top scientists knew that not only was the world round and sun-revolving, but the best of the best (Johannes Kepler, Tycho Brahe) even figured out that heavenly bodies moved about in elliptical orbits. They came to this conclusion without the help of telescopes, mind you. Which is amazing.

    In fact, the Greeks new about the heliocentric nature of our solar system.

    The church just helped us forget a little.

  • avatar
    blautens

    I don’t think this truck is any more absurd than a Veyron or the like, and unlike a Veyron, it *is* occasionally used for work.

    Not my cup of tea, mind you, but I won’t lose any sleep over it.

    Interesting (and typically well written) review, I like to see this sort of thing that doesn’t typically get covered by other publications/sites (other than something like Trucks, which would fawn all over it).

  • avatar
    Jesse

    Man that ‘geocraft’ website looks like it was made by a high school student in the late 90′s. Just sayin’…

  • avatar
    TexasAg03

    Texas,

    Actually, hundreds of years ago the top scientists knew that not only was the world round and sun-revolving, but the best of the best (Johannes Kepler, Tycho Brahe) even figured out that heavenly bodies moved about in elliptical orbits. They came to this conclusion without the help of telescopes, mind you. Which is amazing.

    In fact, the Greeks new about the heliocentric nature of our solar system.

    The church just helped us forget a little.

    Yes, there were some scientists with other theories, but the predominantly accepted explanation was the geocentric model.

    From Wikipedia:

    Galileo was required to recant his heliocentric ideas; the idea that the Sun is stationary was condemned as “formally heretical.” However, while there is no doubt that Pope Urban VIII and the vast majority of Church officials did not believe in heliocentrism, Catholic doctrine is defined by the pope when he speaks ex cathedra (from the Chair of Saint Peter) in matters of faith and morals. While Church officials did condemn Galileo, heliocentrism was never formally or officially condemned by the Catholic Church.

    The Church did not want him to put forth his theory as fact, but he could present it as theory. However, he refused and was imprisoned, which was actually a house arrest. As it turned out, the Church was correct to not hold to the heliocentric view of the universe since it is not true.

    My point is that just because there is a “general consensus” or “all the top scientists say” doesn’t make something true. Sometimes the best are wrong too – including Galileo and the other “best of the best”.

  • avatar
    quasimondo

    ouldn’t Ford come up with a longer name? They could call it “Climate Change My Ass”

    But it’s a diesel. A turbodiesel. Cleanest burning thing on God’s green earth. Diesel engines are simply incapable of polluting. Folks want diesels, Ford gives you diesels, and yet you’re still unsatisfied. Unbelievable!

    To be honest, I’m quite surprised that this big-ass truck gets better fuel ratings than my V6 Explorer.

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    Uh, sure, sometimes the best are wrong. But in this case Galileo was right (as was Kepler).

    And the nice thing about science is, you can admit you are wrong.

  • avatar
    pb35

    I can’t get that Cult song “Outlaw” out of my head now, thanks. “…from the badlands baby the badlands bayybayyy…”

  • avatar
    Luther

    The church just helped us forget a little.

    I hope this Global Warming hoax doesnt have the long legs of the Christianity hoax. I digress.

    Maybe Ford should have named it “The Super Duty-just peel off more clothing you Global Warming wuss-Lariat”

    Did you get to drive the F-450 Jonny? I think Ford sells the F-450 to people that want to tow their house with them when they move. Just avoiding Realtor fees will pay for the thing so screw the tax breaks.

  • avatar
    TexasAg03

    Uh, sure, sometimes the best are wrong. But in this case Galileo (and Kepler) was right.

    Galileo (and Kepler) were wrong. They said that the sun was the center of the universe. That is incorrect as I hope you would remember from science class. The sun isn’t even the center of our galaxy.

    Heliocentrism is not correct. The sun is not the center of the universe.

  • avatar
    Sajeev Mehta

    I’m surprised I haven’t seen one on the roads here in Houston.

    Such highfalutin Super Duties aren’t very common, probably for good reason. Why mess up all that fancy trim/paint/red leather when an XLT gives you all you want in a Super Duty? The Harley F150 is where that kinda style makes sense. (well, sorta)

    Nice review, JL. We’ll miss ya.

  • avatar
    htn

    Galileo knew what was right but agreed to what was wrong to stay out of jail. Today the authorities would just have refused to fund his grants if he stuck with his politically incorrect (at the time) views.

  • avatar
    NickR

    TexasAg03, you’ve got to be kidding…

    On a different note, this truck does have a certain fantasy appeal, i.e., mounting a cowcatcher from the front of an antique locomotive on the front and clearing the nitwit drivers out of my way.

    Unfortunately, this ponderous beast will most likely end up in the hands of people who have absolutely no need for it, lumbering around urban/suburban streets and serving as little more than a rolling chicane.

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    I said heliocentric model of the solar system.

    And both those men are the Giants that Einstein claimed to have stood upon the shoulders of.

    And you are sniping and thread-jacking.

    Moving on.

    No, I haven’t driven the F450 yet. I want to, because in top form it can tow 24,500lbs.

    That’s a lot of torque.

  • avatar
    TexasAg03

    Galileo knew what was right but agreed to what was wrong to stay out of jail.

    Once again, Galileo was WRONG! He believed the sun to be the center of the UNIVERSE. That is WRONG.

  • avatar
    TexasAg03

    I said heliocentric model of the solar system.

    You can say that all you want, but his belief was in the heliocentric model of the universe…

    And you are sniping and thread-jacking.

    No, I am trying make sure these kinds of myths do not keep on going.

    By the way, if you are thinking I am Catholic, you would be wrong. I just don’t find it necessary to perpetuate erroneous theories…

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    Nick,

    Actually, almost every F250/350 diesel I’ve seen since I took possession of our tester has been filled with lawnmowers and/or towing horses.

    I think anyone who ponies up $5,000 for the optional Power Stroke Diesel does so because they actually need it.

    I believe President Bush’s F250 is the poseur 5.4L gas model.

  • avatar
    MW

    TexasAg03: “The Church did not want him to put forth his theory as fact, but he could present it as theory.”

    And your source for that is what? I’ll admit I’m not a scholar of the medieval Catholic church, but I didn’t think they were really known for tolerating dissenting viewpoints.

    Besides, I think you’re deliberately ignoring Johnny’s larger point:

    science = findings based on empirical research, subject to question and revision
    doctrine = opinions stated as fact, not subject to question

    If you choose to believe the consensus of the overwhelming majority of climate scientists is simply wrong, that’s your choice. But don’t try to pretend your doctrine has anything to do with science. The scientists who wrote the IPCC report have changed their findings several times already based on new empirical evidence, and I’m sure they’ll change them again as they learn more. What would make you reconsider your opinion?

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    Texas — so what?

    Here’s the thing — presented with EVIDENCE to the contrary, any scientist says, “mea culpa” and accepts the facts.

    Unlike certain other groups who for the sake of civility will remain nameless.

  • avatar
    SherbornSean

    I miss the old days of TTAC when geocentric meant you liked driving a Storm, “no matter what”

  • avatar
    TexasAg03

    And your source for that is what? I’ll admit I’m not a scholar of the medieval Catholic church, but I didn’t think they were really known for tolerating dissenting viewpoints.

    My source is historical documents of the Church and searching sites that don’t have an axe to grind. The Church never defined the status of the universe as doctrine. Yes, most Churchmen of the day believed that the earth was the center of the universe, but there was no official teaching on the matter.

    Besides, I think you’re deliberately ignoring Johnny’s larger point:

    science = findings based on empirical research, subject to question and revision
    doctrine = opinions stated as fact, not subject to question

    No, I’m not ignoring that point.

    If you choose to believe the consensus of the overwhelming majority of climate scientists is simply wrong, that’s your choice. But don’t try to pretend your doctrine has anything to do with science. The scientists who wrote the IPCC report have changed their findings several times already based on new empirical evidence, and I’m sure they’ll change them again as they learn more. What would make you reconsider your opinion?

    Where do you get your information? I don’t know that there is an “overwhelming majority” who believe this. I know that all the scientists at that conference believe it, but that proves nothing.

    My whole point is that yes, there is global warming, but I don’t think, and many, many others don’t think, that it is caused by man. There are studies that link warming trends to sunspot cycles.

    Even if man has caused all of the warming in the last 100 years, what about the warming in the past? This isn’t the first time this has happened…

  • avatar
    TexasAg03

    Here’s the thing — presented with EVIDENCE to the contrary, any scientist says, “mea culpa” and accepts the facts.

    Unlike certain other groups who for the sake of civility will remain nameless.

    I hate to tell you, but John Paul II did issue apologies which included an apology for the way Galileo was treated. I never said the Church was blameless. In one post, I did mention the fact that they were wrong in this as well.

  • avatar
    KixStart

    Galileo wasn’t “wrong,” he was just right to the limits of observation. The heliocentric model of the solar system describes how things work just fine. Given that no one had yet stumbled on the principles of Gravitation, Galileo was doing pretty well. What did he have to work with? A telescope less powerful as the $10 throwaway binoculars I keep in my car. Did he have any way of developing the merest clue that the stars were something other than pretty, tiny lights stuck on the Vault of Heaven?

    Even in Galileo’s day, for the most part, “science” hardly existed. The “scientific method” was unknown. There was no distinction between concepts like “naturalist,” and “philosopher.” There was hardly any way to go and study the observations of earlier “scientists” and learn from them. Books were a rarity. The “consensus” existed only because most of them hadn’t given the problem any serious thought and were unaware of the observations of others. Given an accurate wristwatch and access to good records and other instruments, most sensible “scientists” of that day probably would have reached the same conclusion as Galileo. Or at least realized the Earth was NOT flat.

    And, in spite of the limitations, one of the ancient Greeks (Eratosthenes, in the 200s BC) actually cottoned on to the idea that the Earth was round and came up with a way of estimating the circumference of the Earth and his measurement was very close, largely irrelevant, mostly ignored and generally forgotten. Ptolemy, working 300 years later, came up with a different measurement for the globe, he was off by 20% or so, and it’s not clear to me that he even knew of Eratosthenes work or measurement.

    And what difference did it make? At that time, hardly anybody ever traveled outside sight of home. A two-dimensional model Earth was all that was required for all practical purposes. Most “ocean” voyages involved running along the coast and the Mediterranean could be crossed in a few days, if absolutely necessary. Without accurate timekeeping, nobody had any idea that noon in Athens was not the same as noon anywhere else.

    Figuring out that the Earth was round was a remarkable achievement.

    Today, we don’t face many of those obstacles that the ancients faced. All science is left to contend with is willful ignorance, aided and abetted by greed and the lust for power. Of course, these may turn out to be insurmountable obstacles.

  • avatar
    TexasAg03

    I miss the old days of TTAC when geocentric meant you liked driving a Storm, “no matter what”

    Nice reference… :)

  • avatar
    Johnny Canada

    Without question, this review belongs in the hermetically sealed TTAC Time Capsule.

    An absolute classic, that must be preserved for future generations.

    Bravo, Mr. Lieberman.

  • avatar
    TexasAg03

    Galileo wasn’t “wrong,” he was just right to the limits of observation.

    I’m sorry, but being “right to the limits of observation” about something is still being wrong.

    However, using your logic, the current global warming believers could be “right to the limits of observation” as well.

  • avatar
    TexasAg03

    Without question, this review belongs in the hermetically sealed TTAC Time Capsule.

    An absolute classic, that must be persevered for future generations.

    Bravo, Mr. Lieberman.

    By the way, I echo the above comments on the review itself. Excellent.

  • avatar
    ash78

    Oh, and the correct edited version of your last line is:

    Yippie kay-ay, Mr. Falcon!

    I kid you not.

  • avatar
    NickR

    Actually, almost every F250/350 diesel I’ve seen since I took possession of our tester has been filled with lawnmowers and/or towing horses.

    Johnny, that’s probably true where you live, but you have to remember I live in Toronto, with the highest density of poseurs per square kilometer in North America. Trust me on that one!

    Great review. I wish you the best of luck…don’t let Edmunds crush your rebellious streak.

  • avatar

    Enough with the theological ramifications of heliocentrism and associated threadjacking. Future comments on said topics will be summarily deleted. Now… about the F250….

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    Thanks for the kind words, guys.

    No one can crush my rebellious streak.

    But I am really going to miss this place.

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    NickR,

    I live in LA.

    We are the poseur capital of North America. Don’t even try to front on that.

    However, our poseurs all drive H2s, Escalades, or even better, International CXTs

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_RXT

  • avatar
    mikey

    Thanks Frank W. that was needed.
    Nick R poseurs in the G.T.A ?I’d have to say your per square mile should be per square KLM. But you are so right.

  • avatar
    svensk

    Jonny- President Bush’s F-250 is actually propane powered.
    Very funny review!

  • avatar
    agmathai

    Great review Jonny. You foreigners don’t know what you’re missing.

    Only one question left – Outlaw or Ram SRT-10?

  • avatar
    MW

    Where do you get your information? I don’t know that there is an “overwhelming majority” who believe this.

    Fair question. Here’s a clipping from a 2004 Washington Post article on a survey of the scientific literature on the topic (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26065-2004Dec25.html):

    In recent years all major scientific bodies in the United States whose members’ expertise bears directly on the matter have issued similar statements. A National Academy of Sciences report begins unequivocally: “Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth’s atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise.” The report explicitly asks whether the IPCC assessment is a fair summary of professional scientific thinking, and it answers yes. Others agree. The American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union and the American Association for the Advancement of Science have all issued statements concluding that the evidence for human modification of climate is compelling.

    Despite recent allegations to the contrary, these statements from the leadership of scientific societies and the IPCC accurately reflect the state of the art in climate science research. The Institute for Scientific Information keeps a database on published scientific articles, which my research assistants and I used to answer that question with respect to global climate change. We read 928 abstracts published in scientific journals between 1993 and 2003 and listed in the database with the keywords “global climate change.” Seventy-five percent of the papers either explicitly or implicitly accepted the consensus view. The remaining 25 percent dealt with other facets of the subject, taking no position on whether current climate change is caused by human activity. None of the papers disagreed with the consensus position. There have been arguments to the contrary, but they are not to be found in scientific literature, which is where scientific debates are properly adjudicated. There, the message is clear and unambiguous.

  • avatar
    TexasAg03

    Enough with the theological ramifications of heliocentrism and associated threadjacking. Future comments on said topics will be summarily deleted.

    My apologies…

    It was not my intent to commit a threadjacking. As a matter of fact, I had to look up the meaning of the term. I was responding to a part of the review, and got a bit carried away…

  • avatar
    buzzliteyear

    I’m just having trouble deciding if the F250 Outlaw is aimed at the construction worker or the cop. No matter really, as there is plenty of room inside for both of those fabulous men and all their haute couture.

    I think it’s probably the cop. This one in particular…

    http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/seriously_ladies_there_have

  • avatar
    bestertester

    frank williams, pray tell, where is robert farago? off duty, or ill?

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    svensk:

    Bush’s F-250 is really propane powered? His father must be so disappointed.

  • avatar
    Luther

    Ill start to get nervous when Greenland becomes Greenland again but until then… Death to Alberta Clippers!

  • avatar

    Bestertester, RF is away taking care of some business today so he left the #1 inmate in charge of the asylum.

    Frank

  • avatar
    buzzliteyear

    Uh oh!

    I think my application to be LA Bureau Chief may have sent RF off the deep end.

    [Don Adams voice] Sorry about that, chief! [/Don Adams Voice]

    Buzz L.

  • avatar
    skor

    Does it come with a small, yellow window sticker that reads, “Driver has Small Penis.” ?

    The word “Corporation” is defined as a legal entity having many of the characteristics of a real, live person.

    Engaging in the same activity, over and over again, each time expecting a different outcome, is one of the clinic definitions of insanity.

    This truck is proof that Ford Corporation is clinically insane.

  • avatar
    GlennS

    …it is a burner of oil, I averaged just over 15mpg in mixed, unburdened city/highway use. Which is amazing, as the Outlaw is larger than my old Manhattan apartment.

    How large is the fuel tank? (Or tanks.)
    Would one need a small business loan just to fill ‘er up?

    To be honest, I’m quite surprised that this big-ass truck gets better fuel ratings than my V6 Explorer.
    (Is this right: V6 Explorer 4×2 = 15/21; and V6 4×4 = 15/20?)

    As someone who drives a car that gets 30 MPG around town (on gasoline), it hurts just to read these mileage numbers. :-)

  • avatar
    dolo54

    The guy in the beemer probably figured anybody driving that monstrosity had to be an idiot, and didn’t want to risk it… still 15mpg is pretty good for that thing. Actually it’s really good. If I ever buy a horse ranch I’ll know what truck to get to haul around my 10-horse trailer.

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    The tank is… big. 30-gallon big.

    One night very late I got on the freeway, set the cruise control at 75mph and didn’t touch either pedal for 40 miles.

    I averaged 20.2mpg.

  • avatar
    Caffiend

    30 gallons! Sheit. @ $3.05 for diesel that’s $91.50 to fill the tank! Just last night, I got gas and noticed the diesel pump next to me had been used to pump $300 worth.

  • avatar
    Steve_S

    Good review as always JL, very entertaining.

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    The tank is 29-gallons.

    Though, there is an option for a 38-gallon tank.

    Which would give you a 650-mile range.

  • avatar
    Lesley Wimbush

    I spent almost $300 the week I had the SRT-10. And… I didn’t go anywhere. Sure was worth it though.

  • avatar
    miked

    not only can you get a 38 gal tank (on the long bed version), but you can get two 38 gal tanks! almost good enough for a diapered cross country run to kill someone and not stop for fuel.

  • avatar
    ash78

    miked

    Nice! I think VW has their new tdi ad campaign with that one.

  • avatar
    nutbags

    Excellent write up. I’ll miss this from you Jonny. Good luck and kick butt at Edmonds.
    Maybe RF will branch out – The Truth About Religion then follow up with The Truth About Politics and finally The Truth About Unions.
    I’ll just stick with TTAC. Thank you.

  • avatar
    Phil Roast Beef

    Great review, Jonny. Thanks for the drunk John Wayne quote.

  • avatar
    Areitu

    A non-sequitur AIM conversation between my friend and I regarding this vehicle:

    AREITU (1:54:04 PM): Ford F250 Super Duty Super Cab Lariat Outlaw 4×4

    AREITU (1:54:24 PM): SubaruImprezaWRXSTISpecCTypeRA

    wa RG0 BliN (1:54:38 PM): Ford F250 + Green House Gases = Yippie kay-Yay M****r F****r

  • avatar
    HEATHROI

    how can Ford make this cracked out Al Gore nightmare (and I mean that in Good way) and produce that a 500/ taurus/milktoast machine.

    Does Bill have the crazed love child of Smokey Yunick and Hunter Thompson locked up in basement of a meth lab outside the city limits of Dearborn somewhere?

  • avatar
    ZoomZoom

    Jonny Lieberman:
    …there is an option for a 38-gallon tank.

    Which would give you a 650-mile range.

    I went 618 miles once on a single tank of gas in my Prius. I know, I know, it’s not the same thing. But I still filled up for around $18 or $19…

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    ZoomZoom

    Well, this might sound like a “hijack attempt,” but it’s not. There’s just no other place for me to post these thoughts where the readership will read them. Anyhow, this is the only post that I will make on this matter. It includes an article suggestion, so please don’t just “summarily delete” it.

    By Jonny Lieberman
    …Especially since this week top scientists from 113 countries said, “there can be no question that the increase in greenhouse gases are dominated by human activities.”

    If you’re going to quote or paraphrase some controversial group of scientists, there WILL be people who will disagree.

    And yes, the dissenters may even be so dastardly as to hold up the oft-abysmal record of scientists as their evidence. It’s human nature, and telling dissenters to “hush up” will leave them feeling slapped-down and unappreciated.

    I am one of those people. My coffee is bad, my coffee is good. Butter was bad, but now we’re not sure. However, we’re certain that margarine is worse. Where are all of the hurricanes that were supposed to hit the US in 2006? You do understand, these things I must mention! I think they’re valid reasons to have a skeptical view of science, university studies, and “accepted wisdom.” I can take the pooh-poohing, but man it really gets quite condescending at times.

    Anyhow, I digress, because that is not the reason for this post.

    It seems that there is a clear and visceral disagreement on the whole global-warming matter, both in the scientific community and here on this forum.

    So what’s the truth? I’m not sure we’re smart enough to know, but in any event, it’s obvious that there are dissenters! And it’s obvious that people are interested in this topic. After all, it keeps bleeding over into the car reviews and DW articles!

    So why not give the people what they want? Offer a comprehensive article? Or maybe two (there’s your point-counterpoint, Robert). Or maybe a whole EDW (Earth-Death Watch) series!

    And it would be more powerful with reviewable references! But we shouldn’t have to have a university dissertation database access account to be able to read the sources.

    Anyhow, that’s my idea.

  • avatar
    doctorv8

    The twin turbo V12 Benzes JL referenced also deliver their peak torque at 2000 rpm, and sustain that peak to 4000 rpm.

    Good luck at the new job, man.

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    Yeah, but it takes the Benz 4 more cylinders and an extra turbo. Plus they cost more than twice as much.

    ZoomZoom — there is no doubting or debating the scientific method. None. At all. And those scientists who issued the UN report on climate change are about as controversial as black as a funeral.

  • avatar
    cheezeweggie

    All it needs is a bright red display showing the gallon-per-minute status of the fuel pump.

  • avatar
    Ryan

    I don’t think I could drive a vehicle that’s about a foot taller than myself without feeling just a little silly.

    On the other hand, if Ford can find a way to do it, they have to shoehorn that motor in a Mustang, even if just for SEMA.

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    The worst I saw was 15.1mpg — that is not bad.

    And that is 15.1mpg with 25psi on the boost guage.

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    I was talking to a Ford guy today about sticking the new 6.4L twin-turbo diesel into an Interceptor and calling it a Lincoln.

    He said, “Yeah right — then you guys would just criticize us for making a heavy car without any top end.”

    I couldn’t actually disagree with him.

    But that would rule.

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    TexasAg03

    And those scientists who issued the UN report on climate change are about as controversial as black as a funeral.

    They at least as controversial as the scientists who, in the 1970s, told us that man was causing “global cooling” and that a new ice age was upon us.

  • avatar

    Nice way to leave Jonny, writing your best stuff ever on the way out the door. Your last few have been excellent.

    In this one, the bits about the turbo and the steering about killed me.

  • avatar
    ZoomZoom

    Michael Karesh:

    Nice way to leave Jonny, writing your best stuff ever on the way out the door. Your last few have been excellent.

    Indeed. Good luck at the new gig, Jonny!

  • avatar
    Luther

    Walking into the UN building in NY would be a lot like walking into a cockroach-infested kitchen in Texas. Politicians are nothing but bugs in Edgar suits.

    You will be missed here Jonny.
    Will Edmunds allow you to post at TTAC ?

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    Luther — stay insane and scared out of your mind over Depression Era laws. I’ll miss you equating Unions with demons and communists. No more TTAC posting for me, though. Wish I could…

    Karesh — thanks.

    Zoom Zoom — Ditto

    Texas — Never before has one man been so wrong about so many things in one thread — good work. For the record, two maybe three scientists mentioned global cooling after trying cocaine for the first time in 1972. Stop reading Michael Crichton — he’s not that good.

  • avatar
    bestertester

    i thought the pollyannas had been warned that any more boorish threadhighjacking would be considered ample cause for deletion/banning?

    really, this has got to stop. otherwise, the next time anybody dares mention the unconscionable carbon emission of an overweight vehicle, we will have the same tedious discussion.

    and before you know it, end-of-days folks will be saying that it doesn’t matter if you ruin the ecology, and 911-conspiracy nerds will be blaming all the world’s evils on the CIA.

  • avatar
    TexasAg03

    Texas — Never before has one man been so wrong about so many things in one thread — good work. For the record, two maybe three scientists mentioned global cooling after trying cocaine for the first time in 1972. Stop reading Michael Crichton — he’s not that good.

    I have never read anything by Crichton…

    I am all for reducing emissions; I think it is a good thing. However, I am just tired of all the hysteria.

    i thought the pollyannas had been warned that any more boorish threadhighjacking would be considered ample cause for deletion/banning?

    That was for the religious debate.

    and before you know it, end-of-days folks will be saying that it doesn’t matter if you ruin the ecology, and 911-conspiracy nerds will be blaming all the world’s evils on the CIA.

    These things are already happening…

  • avatar
    amclint

    TTAC, word to the wise….implement a vote-down/up system for comments so we can actually get the valid ones at the top. Does it make any sense to have to scroll 20 pages to get to some of the good comments at the bottom?

    I’ve seen the voting systems work well, they help to get rid of posts that nobody wants to read.

    On a side note….do you think I can claim a personal injury suit against TexasAg03 for my finger having to use the scroll wheel so much? :p

  • avatar
    TexasAg03

    On a side note….do you think I can claim a personal injury suit against TexasAg03 for my finger having to use the scroll wheel so much? :p

    I could send you some Icy Hot….

  • avatar
    amclint

    Or just stop posting off topic rants….

    J/k, it’s all in good humor. I get into the same types of discussions, with generally the same results :)

    Everyone has an opinion

  • avatar
    TexasAg03

    Or just stop posting off topic rants….

    J/k, it’s all in good humor. I get into the same types of discussions, with generally the same results :)

    Everyone has an opinion

    At least I can say we kept is civil. I have been on other blogs that got rather vicious….

  • avatar
    JoeFlannel

    Excellent review, but how does this stack up to International Harvester’s behemoths? They make a line of industrial trucks, XT series, designed for use as pickups. One of those would squash this “outlaw” like a bug =]

    http://internationaltrucks.com/portal/site/ITrucks/

  • avatar
    lpt1485

    Ill be damned.

    Its finally happened.

    The trucks can now all sing YMCA in unison, god help us all.

  • avatar
    Geotpf

    At least the size of the name of the vehicle matches the actual size of the vehicle.

  • avatar
    CSJohnston

    Jonny,

    Gee whiz what happened? I was all ready with my knives and teeth sharpened to defend the honour of the last vehicle that apologizes to no one. Then here you go, liking the vehicle!

    Bravo, well-played sir!

    A nice review. I wish you had a shot of the interior as I think the marketing mavens should make “Bordello Red” a standard interior trim choice from now on!

    Is that an `08 or an `07 you drove? I have only seen the new F350 in the flesh but its front end looks quite different than the F250 you have illustrated. There is also a bigger, badder 6.4 Powerstroke that winds 650 lb-ft to the wheels. Should we call that one “Torqua! Torqua! Torqua!”?

    If you think the F250 is over the top wait’ll you see how big FoMoCo plasters SUPER DUTY across the `08 (both inside and out). It’s as big as the word EMERGENCY you see on ambulances!

    Anyway, I’m glad you liked the SD for what it is and not what it isn’t… there may be hope for Cali yet!

    When’s the first Edmunds review coming?

    CJ

  • avatar

    Somewhere there is a forum about Catholicism, global warming, and Galileo where they are arguing over the Ford F250. :)


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