By on May 16, 2022

General Motors, Stellantis, and Ford Motor Co. collectively decided to reinstate masking mandates in Michigan over the weekend — stating that the impacted factories were in areas with high levels of COVID-19.

The automakers had lifted mask requirements for employees after the backlash against government-backed restrictions and mandates hit a fever pitch in March. While protests had begun swelling by the fall of last year, the Canadian Freedom Convoy that was forcibility disbanded in February drew national attention to the issue. Despite Detroit manufacturers suggesting they would walk back restrictions (if the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said it was okay) for months, ditching masks initially involved a series of stipulations about vaccinations and job titles. It wasn’t until public outrage spilled over into the real world that sweeping changes began to occur. 

To be fair, infections had also declined between January and March of 2021. But previous dips in infection rate had gone largely ignored in terms of adjusting protocols and the uptick we’ve seen in May has been relatively modest thus far. Recent hospitalization rates have also stayed low with admissions to the intensive care unit (ICU) being the lowest since the pandemic officially began early in 2020. This is according to the CDC’s own data as of May 16th, 2022.

However, Detroit’s trio has maintained that they’ll do basically whatever the CDC tells them and the national health agency recently listed six of the most populous counties in the State of Michigan as having higher than average infection rates and has recommended wearing masks indoors and in public settings.

According to Reuters, the relevant facilities will require all persons (regardless of their vaccination status) to be masked upon entering. On Sunday, the United Auto Workers (UAW) stated that if any facility under its control “is located in high-risk counties as identified by the CDC, they will require masking and physical distancing.”

From Reuters:

Ford said it was temporarily reinstating a face mask requirement at all of its plants located in areas deemed high-risk by the CDC.

Stellantis said that starting on Monday, “company-issued face masks will again be required for employees, contractors and visitors at all Stellantis facilities” in those Michigan counties. The company added, “it is expected that the requirement will be in place for the next two weeks.”

GM said it “will be implementing COVID protection measures at our facilities in Oakland, Wayne, Livingston and Macomb counties given the CDC has now listed them as high risk.”

One wonders how this will play out in the coming weeks. The tolerance for lockdown measures doesn’t seem to have improved and we’ve seen how stringent health protocols can absolutely obliterate productivity. China is presently instituting some of the most aggressive COVID-19 restrictions on the planet and has been attributed as one of the leading causes of shortages that are only anticipated to worsen through the summer. Granted, masking is not the same as forcibly keeping people locked indoors and/or sleeping on factory floors.

But there’s a very real possibility that the resulting backlash to mandates could result in a lapse in productivity stateside. Output has remained strained worldwide since 2020, leading one to assume that enhanced health and safety measures could be counterproductive in terms of industrial fruitfulness. This is especially true if they end up encouraging protests or (less likely due to the UAW position in Michigan) a worker’s strike. Automakers are likely weighing that against an assumed number of employees that might be out sick if masking were not reinstated and upsetting the federal government.

The industry has suggested the returning mandates should only last about two weeks, which is roughly how long the CDC said national health restrictions would be in place during the onset of the pandemic.

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135 Comments on “Detroit Automakers Reinstate Mask Mandates in Michigan...”


  • avatar
    kcflyer

    Well, the midterms are only a few months away. If Dems are going to use covid fears to push out millions of absentee ballots they need to start with measures like this.

    • 0 avatar
      Veeg

      If your guy, the illiterate con artist, did literally anything right with COVID we might be past it, bud.

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        I don’t think Xiden is kcflyer’s “guy” but you certainly are right.

        • 0 avatar
          Veeg

          Biden took over a year in and also has done poorly, but he inherited the pathetic situation Cheeto Man put us in.

          700k dead? Those are genocide numbers.

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            “Biden took over a year in and also has done poorly, but he inherited the pathetic situation Cheeto Man put us in.

            700k dead? Those are genocide numbers.”

            Lol. TDS is strong with this one.

            President Trump gave us three vaccines (that Xiden said weren’t available until he took office yet he received his first shot in December 2020…weird).

            But let’s rage at the President for balancing the needs of everyone rather than China for literally releasing Covid in the world and then attempting to cover it up.

            It’s funny that, with the benefit of hindsight, all of the draconian measures put in place by liberals (masks, vaccine requirements, lockdowns) did nothing to prevent “the spread” and actually did untold amounts of damage to people and children specifically. All because of a cold.

            Meanwhile, states like Florida didn’t have draconian measures and turned out pretty good. Weird how that worked.

          • 0 avatar
            Veeg

            Florida did pretty well in what way?

            They have had 75k deaths with that imbecile Governor of theirs doing his best to obscure the totals.

            You guys are wild

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        In fairness, the one thing Trump did right in his entire tenure was to rush the development of the vaccines and, initially, promote the crap out of them. It’s too bad he realized that the nihilistic Tucker Carlson, not him, wears the pants in the right-wing family, and had to stop promoting the vaccines so hard in order not to lose his base.

        • 0 avatar
          Jeff S

          Agree I will give Trump the credit for rushing the development of the vaccine. That is one of the few things I will give him credit for along with standing up to China on trade.

          • 0 avatar
            teddyc73

            @ Jeff S So no credit for lowering taxes for all Americans, killing two high level terrorist leaders, putting America first, being tough on the southern border; growing and booming the economy; the lowest unemployment numbers for all demographics…. he did all those things. Why no credit for it?

        • 0 avatar
          teddyc73

          @dal20402 Good lord you leftists come up with crazy sh*t. Trump never stopped promoting and encouraging the vaccines. He simply allowed Americans to make their own decisions and didn’t force or coerce them. You know, like the Democrats did. He did other things right..like lower taxes for all Americans, killed two high level terrorist leaders, created a booming economy, reduced regulation, lowered unemployment in all demographics…and much more.

          • 0 avatar
            Jeff S

            This article brings up a lot of Proud Boys, MAGA,and Conspiracy Theorists. Didn’t come to a car site to read propaganda but here we are not for car enthusiasts but a continuation of Fox News.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            He raised my taxes. (Thanks, SALT.) For me it was only a little bit, but for my SIL who is a Google exec in California, it was a 10% increase in her effective rate.

          • 0 avatar
            Number6

            Lowering taxes for all Americans? Who told you to parrot this? Tucker? Trump? Rand Paul? My taxes went up 30% and unlike your boys there, I can back it up with data.

            You think federal taxes are low now? Wait until KY bans abortion. Then when the inevitable crime wave hits, they’ll blame liberals for being soft on crime and not supporting the police that we all pay for under penalty of seizure and/or imprisonment.

            Can’t wait for the mouth breathers decrying masks to come here and use chips made in clean rooms to say that masks don’t work.

            Anything else we are missing on the standard Party Line?

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        Normal folks are past it…bud

      • 0 avatar
        teddyc73

        @ Veeg “If your guy, the illiterate con artist, did literally anything right with COVID we might be past it, bud.” Let’s see, he stopped travel from China (which Democrats attacked him for), he sent hospital ships to New York (which the Democrat governor refused to use), he temporary shut down the country (which Democrats to advantage of to expand their power), he developed vaccines (which at first Democrats refused to take)…so enlighten us Mr. Expert..what more should he have done? Also, he can read and how is he a “con artist”?

    • 0 avatar
      SoCalMikester

      nothing wrong with that, or voting by mail. dems know to only do it once

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Meanwhile, would you like a list of other automotive stories that haven’t gotten one iota of coverage? I can provide a list if needed. Totally free of charge.

    • 0 avatar
      Veeg

      This place has become Fox News with cars. None of that other car stuff pushes their narrative.

      • 0 avatar
        Matt Posky

        What’s the narrative?

        • 0 avatar
          Veeg

          Just from reading the site for eons (and particularly back when there was talent here) Democrats and environmentalism are responsible for virtually everything wrong in the industry and society at large.

          • 0 avatar
            Matt Posky

            I would argue that faux environmentalism absolutely is and it’s rampant across industrial sectors and governments the world over. The Democrats in my country certainly do seem to have a bad track record. But I’m not all that thrilled about politicians in general because few seem to have any real interest in the betterment of mankind or an understanding that people are individuals with varied interests and desires.

            I’ll ignore your insult regarding talent (or lack thereof) to offer a little transparency as a sign of good faith. Not every writer working here feels the way I do, in fact I frequently butt heads with my editor over politics. If you’re a long-time reader, I assume you could have gathered that from his articles. I’m just the writer who ends up covering regulatory and industry topics the most. I strive to be truthful in my reporting and to give my genuine opinion in op-eds.

          • 0 avatar
            Dave M.

            You’re not wrong. I do have the pleasure of remembering TTAC in its heyday. Perhaps like SNL they’ll rise again.

          • 0 avatar
            Jeff S

            @Veeg–Agree there is definitely a MAGA and Fox News agenda.

        • 0 avatar
          Jeff S

          MAGA is the narrative. I also remember when TTAC was a really good site for car news.

          • 0 avatar
            wolfwagen

            BBJB – Bring Back Jack Baruth!

          • 0 avatar
            Jeff S

            I would like to see the Baruth brothers back as well at least they wrote about cars not politics. Especially liked their articles on the operations of car dealers.

      • 0 avatar
        jeanbaptiste

        Perhaps you haven’t been over to Jalopnik yet. If you want to see the true convergence of a single political view and car news, go there. It’s the worst when it comes to bias.

        • 0 avatar
          jkross22

          jeanb,

          Indeed. I was put back in the grays for daring to question the Democratic party orthodoxy and called out one of their sacred cows. I don’t even recall what it was, but it told me everything I needed to know about the management of the site.

          Jalopnik doesn’t like being questioned or shown their opinions can’t stand up under scrutiny.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @jk:
            You ain’t alone. I was called a raving ignoramus for suggesting that if petroleum had competition – a suggestion that clearly wouldn’t pass muster with Karl Marx – these wild price spikes might not be happening.

            Another guy says I’m a sh*thead who spits on veterans.

            It ain’t fit for man or beast.

          • 0 avatar
            wolfwagen

            Which Cow? Hillary, Whoopi, Joy, or Anna?

        • 0 avatar
          Veeg

          Nah I don’t read jalopnik – i can’t see the site through the ads.

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      “ Meanwhile, would you like a list of other automotive stories that haven’t gotten one iota of coverage? I can provide a list if needed. Totally free of charge.”

      To think….you could have just scrolled on and not even commented. What a concept huh?

      • 0 avatar
        Matt Posky

        I’d still be happy to see that list. It’s only Monday and we’ve got the whole week ahead of us.

        • 0 avatar
          Art Vandelay

          You won’t get it and thank you and the staff for your work. People are so upset by Poskey’s articles, yet you click on a car article and 7 folks have posted

          All you clowns crying about the content go look in the mirror. You $#!+heads are the problem

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          @Matt:
          You ask, I answer.

          Ford is apparently going to be building conventionally powered engines at its Windsor plant until 2040:
          https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/windsor-engine-plants-still-part-of-fords-long-term-plans

          Cadillac announced pricing on the Lyriq, its’ first electric car, which may be a do or die moment for the brand:
          https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2022/05/16/cadillac-lyriq-range-price/9792125002/

          Speaking of EVs, 1Q registrations of EVs were up 60% in 1Q 2022 versus 1Q 2021:
          https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2022/05/16/electric-vehicle-registration-soars/9798645002/

          Nissan appears to be ready to say До свидания to Russia, which absolutely no one should blame them for doing:
          https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/nissan-writes-russian-business-after-financial-hit

          Chevrolet put out a video teaser for its’ upcoming Equinox:
          youtube.com/watch?v=FZmy8kRs7Vs&t=24s

          I think we’d all like to know how much VW paid Ward’s to name the GTI one of its’ best interiors of the year:
          https://media.vw.com/en-us/releases/1683

          Meanwhile, also from Ward’s, apparently GM has reached an accord with Mexican workers, done under the auspices of the revised NAFTA deal:
          https://www.wardsauto.com/industry-news/gm-reaches-pact-mexican-truck-plant-workers

          Hyundai apparently wants to get into the robotaxi business:
          youtube.com/watch?v=pAdquyp3XL4&t=1s

          Didn’t take me long to find any of this stuff, all of which is actually about cars.

          Last I checked, you can’t drive a mask.

          • 0 avatar
            bullnuke

            Agreed, Freed Mike, you cannot drive a mask. However, there may be unintended consequences to a mask requirement for production assemblers. I grew up near a large truck production facility (International Harvester, later Navistar) and most everyone was associated with “the Plant” in some way. Anything potentially contentious between labor and management was reflected in the final product – line slowdowns, excessive numbers ending up in the break-down lot, handfulls of gravel in the tires, crushed beer cans rattling in the fenders, etc. Arguably, if the current day line production assemblers are unhappy with masking followed by un-masking followed by re-masking, there could be an unintended consequence with the final products from that line. TTAC supposedly gives the truth about cars – this could be one of the “truths”. This could be another factor in the current supply of marketable vehicles.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @bullnuke:

            I hear what you’re saying, and if this author was actually covering other automotive news (and given that it took me about five minutes to find all the stuff I listed above, there’s clearly no shortage of said news), then it’d be easier to just pass on stories like this one. But this is the kind of stuff that’s on the menu from this writer, and there ain’t much else.

            Wouldn’t you rather talk cars than witness yet another f**king Two Minutes’ Mask Hate?

          • 0 avatar
            bullnuke

            Freed Mike – once again I agree with you. There is a tendency to toss red meat to the wolves that stirs things way off topic. Matt – every now and again stirring crap up is okay but maybe moderate it a bit, eh?

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            You should probably switch to those sites then

          • 0 avatar
            Jeff S

            I’ll add to the list the VW is going to bring back the IH Scout as an EV.

            Also would like information on which other auto companies might bring a compact pickup to compete with the Ford Ranger and Hyundai Santa Fe.

            And I would ask that if you do decide to write these articles don’t interject your political viewpoints. If you cannot write them or choose not to write them then pass these ideas to the other capable writers at TTAC.

    • 0 avatar
      jkross22

      No need to click on stories you don’t like. Is it really that hard to not do? Or are you here to argue – and I wouldn’t blame you a bit if this is the case. It’s the complaining I don’t understand.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        @jk
        I get what you’re saying.

        What would you rather see – a story about new product, or industry news that’s interesting and fresh (see above – I left a whole bunch of story ideas), or the 100th refighting of the Mask Mandate Poo-Flinging Civil War?

        You and I have been on this site a long time. We used to have a LOT more news about cars, and the automotive industry. That’s what made the site worth coming to.

        I suppose what I’m saying is that I care about the site, and I’m sick of these stupid mask posts, which are nothing but an invitation for people to yell at each other over something that has zero to do with cars.

        • 0 avatar
          jkross22

          Mike, You make a good point. Full stop.

          My sense is that what GM and Ford do either as car designers or engineers or suspension designers or ev players is as influential and relevant as what they do as employers or as corporate lobbyists or recipients of government tax incentives.

          The Truth About Cars has always been more than just the cars. Farago spitting truth about GM’s toe tag sales and Bertel’s insider views and Mikey’s perspective on the union are noteworthy examples.

        • 0 avatar
          Matt Posky

          I have probably only written 4 articles about industry mask mandates since 2020 started. Maybe six if you roll in the trucker protests. That’s roughly 0.001 percent of the total output.

          Nothing would please me more than people to stop bickering in the comments to have a productive conversation. But I don’t have that power and no amount of complaining is going to convince me to start regurgitating industry copy because it’ll make a handful of our angriest readers temporarily less angry.

        • 0 avatar
          Jeff S

          @FreedMike–These articles are red meat for commentors like EBFlex who want to sound their propaganda. These commentors are more interested in propaganda than about cars.

          • 0 avatar
            mason

            “These articles are red meat for commentors like EBFlex who want to sound their propaganda.”

            And yet here you are like clock work. LOL!

    • 0 avatar
      Jeff S

      @FreedMike–Posky is more interested in stirring up the MAGA crowd. Except for the Junkyard segments, Corey’s excellent car series, and a few reviews on new vehicles this site has become a shadow of its former self. If this site goes down the tubes I hope that writers like Corey continue to write on other sites he has a lot to contribute to the car enthusiasts.

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        Yet here you are. You’ll post 46 times in here and complain that he’s only trying to stir up the MAGA crowd. You don’t like this stuff? Then scroll on. But you folks dont get your attention in the car only articles

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      We’re all responsible. Corey’s excellent deep dives get 30 comments and a throwaway like this gets 200 because none of us can resist arguing with each other.

    • 0 avatar
      Art Vandelay

      If you do not like the content or staff of this website @freedmike feel free to buy it and clean house or start your own.

      I’d at least ask for your money back if you are so upset. Bet you’ll still comment 47 times though.

      • 0 avatar
        Jeff S

        @Art–Why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and buy the site yourself.

        • 0 avatar
          Art Vandelay

          If I could, I wouldn’t. It is in decline. Even the red meat stuff gets a third of the comments it once did.

          Besides, I’m not the one crying.

          I wish I had the coin to do it though. First thing I’d do would be to give Baruth and Bertel Schmidt all the money to come back. I’d add Steve Lang too. Yep…been here that long

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            The trouble is that it would be better to start a site from scratch with a new name because the TTAC brand has been thoroughly destroyed. First was the Tesla Death Watch fiasco followed by it trying to become The Truth About Covid.

            Now, besides “Junkyard” and Corey, it’s severely lacking automotive content. Bitove and Rivette (the owners) see declining revenue and don’t invest in the site. It needs a big influx of cash to get it back to being a proper automotive site.

            With the excellent work Corey has been doing, he now has a portfolio that will most likely see him moving on to higher-paying pastures. He’s too good to stay here in the backwaters.

          • 0 avatar
            Jeff S

            “I wish I had the coin to do it though. First thing I’d do would be to give Baruth and Bertel Schmidt all the money to come back. I’d add Steve Lang too. Yep…been here that long”

            I would love to see all of them come back. They were true automobile journalists who contributed greatly to this site.

    • 0 avatar
      wolfwagen

      Agreed.

      I would love to see a report on Bremach as it appeared they were close to bringing in the UAZ manufactured SUV and Pickup. They apparently got some good buzz going at the LA Auto Show.

      Then Putin invaded Ukraine.

      The only thing on their website is this “Due to obvious reasons all deposits have been refunded”

  • avatar
    ToolGuy

    Just ran out to Amazon to check. One might think that in May of 2022 — after all that has gone on — N95 or equivalent masks would be readily available and dirt-cheap.

    Nope.

  • avatar
    Greg Hamilton

    “Reducing the number of revolutions per minute,” Mr. Foster explained. “The surrogate goes round slower; therefore passes through the lung at longer intervals; therefore gives the embryo less oxygen. Nothing like oxygen-shortage for keeping an embryo below par.” Again he rubbed his hands.

    […]

    “The lower the caste,” said Mr. Foster, “the shorter the oxygen.” The first organ affected was the brain. After that the skeleton. At seventy per cent of normal oxygen you got dwarfs. At less than seventy eyeless monsters. (1.70-4)

    From Brave New World, let’s see if you can make the connection.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    I know over two dozen people who have tested positive over the last couple weeks, myself included. My son even brought it stateside from Italy at the same time.

    Since this variant – whichever one it is – seems to be more like a cold, I don’t expect domestic restrictions to last long. A mild wave has gone through my office, so we’re seeing more people in masks lately. Maybe we’ll be back to the April ‘normal’ again by June.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      It’s a bit more than just a cold, I assure you. Have had a J&J vaccine and one booster.

      Tested positive two weeks ago tomorrow, and six hours after what I thought was a sinus infection started escalating, I was home in bed, every blanket in the house on top of me. Was out a total of two days, then started working remotely on the third day. Went back into the office a week ago Wednesday, and masked-up the remainder of last week.

      Still have some congestion and occasional cough, and I’m absolutely exhausted at the end of the workday.

      Very similar to whatever I had in early December of 2019, except that the cough hasn’t gotten even close to what I put up with for three weeks! (I wasn’t able to get an antibody test in time to determine whether I in fact had COVID-19 a month before it literally went viral.) No gastrointestinal distress of any kind, and in fact, my appetite was perfectly normal, just as in 2019, my usual “see-food” diet! ;-)

      Pretty much a weird case of the flu.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        Most people who are fully vaccinated experience mild symptoms. I’ve known a few people with moderate symptoms. Myself and 3 other’s are the only one’s who haven’t tested positive. We had quite a few staff off sick recently. Most were asymptomatic after 5 days.
        As far as masking is concerned, we’ve had just one staff with COVID-19 traceable to a workplace exposure. Everyone else contracted COVID-19 in a friend/family setting without a mask.

  • avatar
    ajla

    youtu.be/XKvdaeP99_8

  • avatar
    CaddyDaddy

    “My Body My Choice!” Caddydaddy thinks he has heard that before? But, you see you not wearing a mask could cause harm or death to innocent parties. Oh just like abort… I’ll stop there.

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      I don’t think spreading a cold is analogous to murdering a human life but then leave it to the libs to make crazy comparisons.

      • 0 avatar
        Veeg

        Good thing routine medical procedures are only considered murder in the states with the lowest test scores in school.

        • 0 avatar
          jkross22

          Veeg, CAASPP scores in California show 50% of 8th graders can’t perform math at grade level and only 60% can perform English/Language Arts at grade level. Those were the scores before COVID lockdowns.

          As one might reasonably project, the scores have not improved.

          • 0 avatar
            Veeg

            One state. Go look at the scores by state and you’ll notice states like CT (where I’m lucky enough to live), “Taxechussettes” are at the top.

            All the bottom states are red.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            Minimize facts when they don’t comport to your world view. Sigh.

          • 0 avatar
            ToolGuy

            @Veeg,

            “Go look at the scores by state and you’ll notice states like CT (where I’m lucky enough to live)… are at the top.”

            It looks like you’re looking at ACT scores? It’s interesting to compare SAT scores (2022 data):
            https://scholarshipinstitute.org/states-with-highest-sat-scores/

            Not a big deal either way to me, but I *am* genuinely curious now about the difference between the ACT and SAT rankings by state.

          • 0 avatar
            ToolGuy

            So a lot of it is due to the “participation rate” – i.e., how many Seniors take the standardized test.

            For example in 2020 Minnesota had the highest average SAT score, but only 4% of Seniors in MN took the SAT. Delaware’s relatively low average was based on 100% of Seniors. (Selection bias)

            If you are looking at 2022 ACT rankings, CT had a 19% participation rate. Nevada’s low score was based on 100% of high school Seniors taking the ACT (the ones headed to college and the ones who are done).

            So ~20% of CT Seniors scored higher than 100% of NV Seniors. (If the intent is to feel superior, you might want another dataset.)

      • 0 avatar
        wolfwagen

        @ EBFlex

        COVID – Follow the science!

        Trans MTF Competing in women’s sports – What Science? It’s about identity!

      • 0 avatar
        Number6

        That “cold” killed half a million people while Putin’s boy was wishing we could shove DUV lamps up our backsides. But lives taken by people exercising their “2nd amendment freedom” get a pass for the same murder. Give it up. The hypocrisy gets tiresome.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      In one case, something is being removed from the body.

      In the other case, under threat of losing one’s livelihood, people are being forced to put something into their body!

    • 0 avatar
      Jeff S

      More like “your body my choice” and “my body my choice.” If I have COVID and spread it to others that’s their problem but then I have a right to limit what they do even the right to harass them for choosing to wear a mask. I had someone do that to me when I entered Sam’s Club wearing a mask and I didn’t tell them to wear a mask but they managed to yell at me for wearing a mask even though there were others wearing them. None of my business whether a business requires people to wear a mask or not wear a mask but I am not going to harass them either way. I am not going to beat up a flight attendant if they ask me to wear a mask. Yes masks are uncomfortable but I will wear one if requested and not make a scene.

      • 0 avatar
        Number6

        Yeah. Your right to infect others is more important than to keep self-absorbed morons from infecting me. So it’s OK if you drive through a crowd so long as I don’t. Anything else I’m missing?

  • avatar
    Arthur Dailey

    In Ontario shortly after the relaxing of workplace rules, COVID related workers compensation claims experienced a dramatic increase. Thankfully in this ‘wave’ the trend is to much less severe illness. And we now have a consistent supply of N95 masks. Manufactured in North America. During the 1st and 2nd wave millions of ‘counterfeit’ KN95 and N95 masks were distributed.

    For management/ownership re-introducing masks is a primarily a utilitarian measure as it may decrease infections and therefore decrease absenteeism among staff.

    As for the mystic Huxley, a good and perceptive writer. With a degree in literature, not science. So he had what some here would call a ‘useless’ degree.

    • 0 avatar
      Greg Hamilton

      Arthur,
      New York City Mayor Eric Adams issued an executive order that exempted professional sports players and the entertainment industry from having to comply with COVID-19 vaccine mandates.

      I’m glad we live in a classless society:
      https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/live-updates/eric-adams-vaccine-mandate-pro-athletes-performers-kyrie-irving/

    • 0 avatar
      jkross22

      I have yet to see someone wear an N95 mask correctly. Have you?

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        “I have yet to see someone wear an N95 mask correctly. Have you?’

        Wearing a respirator requires some education and practice along with testing for an adequate seal. In the civilian population that doesn’t happen very often.
        Standard facemasks provide less protection but do provide a net benefit overall i.e. reducing spread.

        A respirator keeps the bugs out and a medical facemask keeps the bugs in.

        • 0 avatar
          mcs

          A medical facemask can help keep bugs out, but not in the way people expect. It discourages them from touching their mouths and noses.

          • 0 avatar
            ToolGuy

            “discourages them from touching their mouths and noses”

            This video shows a well-informed and mature American — notice how soon he touches his nose:

            https://youtu.be/8H21StvqUNI?t=2587

  • avatar
    EBFlex

    Well masks (and the rushed, experimental vaccines) haven’t worked yet but maybe this time something will be different.

  • avatar
    jkross22

    This wouldn’t be such a bad idea if masks worked to contain the spread.

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      Wait we were told the virus stops with every vaccinated person but then on the other hand the masks are the key to stopping the spread. Heck I remember when cloth masks were critical to stopping the Covid cold.

      But yet even with both of those things (and seemingly endless boosters) the virus still spreads, and nearly everyone who gets it recovers.

      Time to move on. I guess people are too tired of Ukraine, formula shortages, and rampant inflation/gas prices so they have to bring Covid back. People need to wake up

      • 0 avatar
        Veeg

        They work. That’s why NYS had 10k fewer deaths than FL despite both having an official population of ~20 million. And NYS had to deal with the city and millions of people riding the subway.

        Cope.

        • 0 avatar
          Master Baiter

          “That’s why NYS had 10k fewer deaths than FL despite both having an official population of ~20 million.”

          Nice one-dimensional analysis.

          20% of Florida’s population is over 65, while only 16% of NY’s is.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            I wouldn’t sweat it. If people want to mask themselves for the next 10 years because they are now germaphobes, that’s their business. Covid has created millions of Howie Mandel’s. Truly sad.

      • 0 avatar
        ravenuer

        “But yet even with both of those things (and seemingly endless boosters) the virus still spreads, and nearly everyone who gets it recovers.”

        Except for the 1,000,000 who didn’t.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      “This wouldn’t be such a bad idea if masks worked to contain the spread.’

      Please post your evidence backing that statement.

      Every study and preliminary study I’ve read states the opposite.

      • 0 avatar
        jkross22

        Lou, it’s great you found studies you trust with results you agree with. I have not.

        Experts claimed the skies would be overrun with covid when the mask mandate was eliminated. Their silence when that didn’t happen was noteworthy.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          “Experts claimed the skies would be overrun with covid when the mask mandate was eliminated”

          Really?

          Sources please.

          “Lou, it’s great you found studies you trust with results you agree with. I have not”

          If that’s the case, that would explain why you won’t post evidence to back your claims.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            Lou, look up any newspaper within 24 hours of the ban being lifted and read the pearl clutchers go ape. Or check out YouTube from that day for the CNN ‘experts’ weigh in. It’s good for a laugh.

            We all have our biases. Mine is towards not trusting people who abuse their positions of influence or authority. That’s the vast majority of the medical establishment and political leadership.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @jkross22 – an idiot with a pulpit isn’t an expert. It looks like all you are doing is sourcing mass media. I don’t source mass media.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            If you define an idiot with a pulpit as the people in public health and political leadership, we agree.

      • 0 avatar
        Jeff S

        @Lou_BC–The MAGA crowd is not interested in evidence and they don’t believe in science. If one gets Covid then drink some bleach.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          Yup. The Freedumb Occupation dimwitts are finding out in court that their hodgepodge of Twitter and Facebook legal expertise isn’t going to save them.

        • 0 avatar
          teddyc73

          @ Jeff S Really, how do you leftists come up with this garbage?

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            Teddy, Unlike affordable used cars, baby formula, affordable homes, affordable furniture and wiring harnesses, hatred is in high supply.

            Some people believe nearly everything they hear without question. Makes it easier to stay in the tribe.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “Some people believe nearly everything they hear without question”

            @jkross22

            When one understands the scientific process and the process of critical analysis it isn’t to hard to sort out what is valid and what is not. Political ideology doesn’t factor into the analysis. You won’t post your evidence that backs what you say. Why is that?

          • 0 avatar
            Jeff S

            @teddyc73–You don’t know anything about me I am far from a leftist. If not being for Trump is a leftists then ok I am definitely not for Trump. Reagan would be considered a leftist in today’s Republican Party and I voted for Reagan twice so in your words I am a leftist along with my votes for Bush. So I guess not being a MAGA, not being a Neo Nazi, not being a member of the Klu Klux Klan, and not being a Proud Boy supporter, and not a Fox News Watcher makes me a leftist. Also being a proud member of the SAR who had several ancestors fought in the American Revolution makes me a real leftist. I am also not a Putin supporter. Seems you have to resort to name calling just like a child in grade school but then you might not have the mental capacity to think beyond that. If you choose not to wear a mask and not get the Covid-19 vaccine that is your business but if you get Covid I don’t want to pay for your hospital bill and neither should the rest of the taxpayers. You would then be a candidate for the Darwin award.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            Lou, The back/forth with sources is pointless esp. on this issue.

            You have already proven you are not interested in evolving your opinion to align with objective facts. I started where you are – with the assumption that masks worked, and then observed reality to understand that they don’t, at least in terms of what we want them to do and how they are used.

            Just like the vaccines don’t prevent infection or spread.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “You have already proven you are not interested in evolving your opinion to align with objective facts”

            LOL.

            I’LL evolve my opinion based on quantifiable evidence. You have posted ZERO evidence.
            At my work we’ve had just one “1”ONE tracible COVID-19 case due to exposure while wearing a mask…One…

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            @JK: Your conclusions are unsubstantiated by fact.

            Fact: Masks help prevent the spread. They also even if improperly worn reduce the amount of virus ‘particles’ that one is exposed to. Reducing viral load has proven important in reducing both severity of illness and ability to transmit to others.

            Fact: The vast majority per capita who are in ICU, severely ill or for whom COVID proves fatal are unvaccinated. Vaccination is important if not crucial in preventing severe illness.

            Of course many would rather believe the postings of those with little or no actual expertise in virology, immunology, infectious diseases, emergency care or epidemiology.

            And others are confused by the fact that science does evolve. That are understanding of the virus increases. The ‘they told us’ crowd is sorely lacking in critical thinking and logic.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            Arthur,

            Yes, those are facts you believe tell the whole story. Unfortunately, they don’t explain many truths we have observed. Why do states with no mask mandates have roughly the same number of both cases and hospitalizations per capita? No studies on this.

            No doubt you’ll ignore the CDC reducing the number of deaths due to ‘coding errors’. It’s only 72,000 people so no biggie.

            I love it when people say ‘fact’ and then have to backtrack – at least those honest enough to admit they’re wrong. Which is not the norm when it comes to covid. My seat of the pants impression is that most people do not wear masks correctly. Can we agree on that? Or is that still a bridge too far?

            As with politics, people power their opinions on fear and anger first, and then look for facts to support their opinion. Covid is no different.

            Remember when people were called conspiracy theorists if they believed the lab leak theory? Or when if you had questions about the vaccine efficacy that you were a nut job? Or that the vaccines were safe and had no side effects? Or that you were crazy if you thought vaccinations meant you couldn’t get Covid? Or when hospitals did not differentiate between dying of or with Covid?

            Being skeptical helps. Asking questions helps. Believing everything your told is foolish, no matter what the issue.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            @Jk. Critical thinking is crucial. Which is why conspiracy theories largely fall apart. They are based on ‘faith’, on suppositions and on insupportable or unprovable ‘beliefs’.

            And the USA is not ‘the world’. Other nations track COVID statistics. In some instance far more thoroughly and objectively than does the USA.

            As previously stated, in Ontario the incidents of work related COVID infections rose dramatically when workplace masking requirements were removed. There are numerous other studies proving this correlation.

            And medical professionals/scientists revising their findings is a normal part of the scientific process. It neither disproves their objectivity nor their professionalism.

            For decades ‘big oil’ was viewed by many as perpetrators of a conspiracy. Now ‘big oil’ is viewed by some as the victims of a conspiracy perpetrated on behalf of EV supporters. With conspiracy theorists it is always a ‘moving target’.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            Lou,

            No evidence I post will change your mind. No observable truths will change your mind. I doubt even this would cause you to question your assumptions:

            https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

            Why would the most vaccinated parts of the country be experiencing the most new cases of covid?

            Sorry, this is data that doesn’t fit in your view of the world.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            Arthur,

            Medical professionals have been bullied and threatened if they didn’t tow the line. Hence my earlier comments about abuse of power.

            Suspending disbelief is a consistent tactic used by those trying their best to ignore intuition and not question things that require a circumspect eye.

            We’ve seen too much of that unscientific behavior from experts in medicine over the last few years. We’re seeing it continue with Pfizer’s unethical behavior regarding Paxlovid.

            It needs to end for trust to be regained.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            All I’m gonna say about COVID is this: 17 days from now I will be on a cruise ship, and if I get it between now and then I might just be a suicide risk.

            (Just kidding)

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @jkross22 – Too funny or should I say too pathetic? We are talking masks and now you bring up vaccination rates. You blather on about mass media being an unreliable pulpit for self-proclaimed experts but post mass media as your source. LOL

            Canada has had strict mask mandates and vastly superior to USA vaccination rates. Our per capita death rate and infection rated is considerably less than that of the USA.

  • avatar
    Art Vandelay

    Lol…this sh!+ again. Whatever…i don’t work there.

  • avatar
    Art Vandelay

    Just here for when the usual $#!+heads start gleefully celebrating unvaccinated folks dying again.

    • 0 avatar
      Art Vandelay

      And btw @freedmike, you asked when I gave up being civil on here? It was the string of posts that you and all of the merry cheese d!cks couldn’t contain your glee at the deaths of unvaccinated.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        When did I EVER celebrate the death of anyone who was unvaccinated?

        I’ve called people who refuse vaccinations stupid. if that’s impolite, sorry…but I think it IS stupid to not get vaccinated unless there’s some valid medical reason not to

        But I’d never celebrate someone dying. Never.

        • 0 avatar
          EBFlex

          “ But I’d never celebrate someone dying. Never.”

          My my, how soon we forget.

          How does that go from your favorite newspaper? “Four Pinocchios” I believe?

        • 0 avatar
          Art Vandelay

          Yeah, I agree…it 8s stupid. Then again, 8n 2022 if you don’t realize how pregnancy happens or can’t read a document that spells out.the terms of a loan or pay your rent when everyone 8s hiring…

          Well…

          And BTW, I apologized for the spitting on veterans thing. I actually went way back and that was in fact not you.

          But while you all didn’t come.out and say”I’m glad they are dead, it was definitely a gleeful tone.

          • 0 avatar
            ToolGuy

            Ukraine Update (via Australia, with a nod to Texas, and one excremental reference thrown in to keep TTAC readers comfortable):
            https://youtu.be/7CmXz8Qd9yw

            U.S. Army Update (your tax dollars at work):
            https://youtu.be/VA4e0NqyYMw

            United States Marine Corps update (this one goes quick – just watch the 16 second video):
            https://www.newsobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article255170402.html

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            I don’t recall any gleeful tone over anyone dying of this disease. COVID has killed people in my (ex) family, and made my brother very, very ill. I don’t wish it on anyone.

            But if you think the tone was inappropriate, then I apologize. And thank you for apologizing for the “spit on veterans” crack.

          • 0 avatar
            ajla

            @FreedMike:
            I don’t recall you participating but there definitely were some commenters this past fall and winter posting their satisfaction over people dying.

            I would have moderated that sort of thing (maybe not bans but at least tell them to knock it off) but I don’t run the site. The worst offenders tend to be people that are always surly dickbags on any topic so I tend to just ignore them rather than give them the internet attention they obviously crave.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @ajla:
            Agreed, but does that mean that everyone with a leftist viewpoint agreed with that kind of nonsense? Hell, no. I’ve been pretty blunt about how I feel about people who dance on the graves of anti-vax / anti-mask types who die of COVID.

            Meanwhile, there were folks “on the right” around here who were going down the “Ivermectin Uber Alles / vaccines are here to sap and impurify all our precious bodily fluids path,” but does that mean every conservative was thinking along similar lines? Again, no.

            I think we’d all be better off taking each other as individuals, not members of a group.

      • 0 avatar
        Jeff S

        @Art–No one has celebrated the deaths of the over million who have died from Covid-19. Calling someone cheese d!cks is something I thought would have been beneath you but then maybe we don’t know you as well. There has been a lot of disinformation that has been posted on the internet about Covid-19 and the vaccine itself. Some have stated that there are microchips planted in the vaccine to make people sick or to monitor people. Another is that anyone who get a vaccine will become a liberal. I have read and seen it all. If you choose to not get a vaccine it is your business but then if you do get covid don’t expect my sympathy. No pandemic or disease should be politicized. I can imagine if we had polio today it would be politicized and there would be some that would say it was a conspiracy and that the polio vaccine is a hoax and a Government conspiracy. I am thankful that in the 50s Jonas Salk came up with the polio vaccine today he would be mocked and accused of inciting fear. Salk today would be accused of being a liberal and probably a Communist for coming up with a vaccine to save lives. We as a society having been going backwards.

        • 0 avatar
          Jeff S

          @Art–And may I add I would not celebrate you or anyone getting Covid-19 even if you refused a vaccine but I would say you made the choice and you have to accept the consequences which is far from being a leftist viewpoint. If a child or someone for some other reason could not get a vaccine that is a different story but if you can get a vaccine and you have the choice then you need to be responsible for any consequences. That is not dancing on anyone’s grave or wishing the harm it is just being realistic.

  • avatar
    teddyc73

    Thee comments are proof…this country is extremely divided and totally incapable of coming together. The hatred, misinformation, garbage, intolerance and total ignorance is so deep, so ingrained, and entrenched there is simply no way we will ever be one nation under God. So sad.

    • 0 avatar
      Master Baiter

      “…there is simply no way we will ever be one nation under God.”

      I tend to agree it’s probably time for an amicable, national divorce. Back when I was kid there were only three TV networks; we all read the same news, which tended to lean Left. Fox News and the internet has given conservatives a voice, and the Left can’t abide hearing contrarian voices. They stick their fingers in their ears like children, yell, “wah, wah wah” and resort to censorship wherever they can get away with it. That and the advent of clickbait “Journalism” has everyone worked up into a frenzy, and it’s Yankees vs. Red Sox on every friggin’ issue.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        “…left can’t abide hearing contrarian voices.”

        Neither can you. To wit: you called me a “ranting ignoramus” for simply stating that if petroleum had competition as a fuel for transportation, these wild price spikes we’re seeing wouldn’t be happening. That’s not some radical statement – it’s basic Econ 101. Competition helps keep prices in check. What’s ignorant about that? Nothing.

        Perhaps you should take a good long look in the mirror before you blame the other guy for what’s going on.

        • 0 avatar
          Art Vandelay

          As should you

        • 0 avatar
          Master Baiter

          FM:

          I’m not trying to censor you. I’d prefer your idiotic rantings be on display for all to see.

          I’m not suggesting it’s stupid to say we want competition for energy; the point is, if such alternative energy sources were practical and cost effective, they would already exist. It’s not for lack of trying, or a result of some grand conspiracy that we power our cars will dino juice–it happens to be nearly free energy that we pump from the ground.

          And you constantly decry the oil futures market, as if there’s a better way to regulate the price of a globally traded commodity that is produced and sold all over the world.

          So yes, when the vegetable-in-chief says that he’s cancelling pipelines, removing drilling rights, and starting a proxy war in Ukraine, the futures market reacts, and the oil price rises. Remember Econ 101?

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @MB:
            “I’m not suggesting it’s stupid to say we want competition for energy; the point is, if such alternative energy sources were practical and cost effective, they would already exist.”

            By this logic, circa 1975, using another product:
            “I’m not suggesting it’s stupid to say we want competition for typewriters; the point is, if such alternatives to typewriters were practical and cost effective, they would already exist.”

            If your attitude had held sway in, say, 1980, the machine that you used to call me a “ranting ignoramus” would have never existed.

            Technology evolves. It’s evolving right now. Why am I a “ranting ignoramus” for wanting more evolution?

        • 0 avatar
          Jeff S

          @FreedMike–I have never heard someone being called a liberal for wanting more competition but then some of the posters on this site that claim to be conservative are against competition and the mere idea of coming up with viable affordable energy alternatives. I was raised to believe in free enterprise and that inventing new and better ways of doing things is good and should be encouraged. What was right and good is now seen by many as wrong and bad.

    • 0 avatar
      jkross22

      Not sure we’re more divided than ever. We’re more aware of it now thanks to the companies and the political duopoly that profits from anger.

      Sugar, booze, drugs, potato chips and pizza are as addictive as being angry. Gotta let that sh*t go.

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