By on June 30, 2021

The COVID-19 Joint Task Force comprised of Detroit automakers and the United Auto Workers (UAW) has announced that it will be removing mask mandates for vaccinated employees. After meeting on Monday to discuss changes within state and federal health policies, the group decided masks should be made voluntary items for staffers. They could not get the rule change to coincide with the date the decision was made, however.

Lineworkers will instead be waiting until July 12th to pitch their masks in the trash bin so they can be deposited upon beaches and sea beds around the world. Of course, if a government agency (city, state, or county) wants to uphold old mandates or introduce new ones, the COVID-19 Joint Task Force said it would automatically comply. But that might not matter if employees have already decided to stop observing pandemic protocols. 

From the UAW:

The COVID-19 Task Force met Monday, June 28 and reviewed the reports of medical experts, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidelines and Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) standards to maintain safety as the companies continue to work through the pandemic.

For those fully vaccinated, the wearing of masks will be voluntary. Those who have not been vaccinated will continue to be required to wear a face mask. The Task Force will continue to monitor data carefully and make any adjustments necessary to protect the health and safety of employees.

While the UAW and the companies continue following the protocols that have kept our workplaces safe, we know that one of the best ways to fight this virus is by getting vaccinated. The Task Force continues to encourage everyone to roll up their sleeves and get vaccinated against COVID-19 so that we can protect our sisters and brothers and their families.

The World Health Organization (WHO) has recently started urging fully vaccinated people to continue wearing masks, potentially causing some fresh confusion in what’s been a largely bewildering topic since day one. WHO officials originally stated that COVID-19 was incapable of human transmission while denying the validity of Taiwanese claims to the contrary. It also had to backtrack on claims that temporarily restricting travel with China would have been fruitless.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), stated that people didn’t need to be “walking around with a mask” in March of last year. At the same time, automakers had been tasked by the U.S. government to begin manufacturing personal protective equipment (PPE) and ventilators while we all thought “fifteen days to slow the spread” just meant two weeks. Since then, we’ve seen Fauci confess that he effectively lied to the public to avoid panic buying that might keep healthcare providers from having a sufficient mask supply.

There were also periods where the effectiveness of certain types of masks were called into question and a stint where multiple-masking became all the rage. We learned that the Wuhan lab leak, which was previously being derided across the internet as a ludicrous theory (and there’s been debate over whether social-media giants, in an alleged bid to fight “misinformation” and “disinformation,” removed posts that made legitimate claims of a lab leak. Some even say that such action is censorship. Facebook has since reversed its position on removing claims regarding the lab-leak theory), is now more likely to be considered a likely explanation for what happened. The overall messaging has been so wildly inconsistent that we’d wager almost nobody had a real handle on the situation. This could explain why we’ve seen so many people sitting around in vehicles all by themselves wearing makeshift hazmat suits and losing their minds when someone invades their bubble at the grocery store. Though it doesn’t seem to account for the wild levels of restrictions imposed on the citizenry or the rampant politicization of the virus received (and continues to receive) from all sides.

This places automakers in a precarious position. Having spoken to numerous factory employees over the past year, I already know that many are already bucking mask mandates whenever possible. Some no longer believe in their effectiveness, some are just tired of wearing them in sometimes muggy factory conditions, and the rest don’t see the point post-vaccination PPE.

“A lot of people are just fed up,” stated one General Motors employee asking to remain nameless. “Even though we have protocols in place, few [people] are following them closely anymore.”

A small sampling among Ford employees revealed similar sentiments. Two assembly workers stated that employees have gotten lax in adhering to COVID restrictions over the last six months, adding that there are still employees who take masking very seriously.

“It was different last summer,” explained one. “Plenty of guys complained but we all went along with the new restrictions. Now it’s like 50/50.”

Meanwhile, other brands and businesses operating within the country have already begun scaling back restrictions. After the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued relaxed COVID guidance, Penske Automotive Group, and several other dealer organizations stated they would begin reintroducing mask-less stores wherever possible. Toyota Motor Group followed suit by announcing it was lifting mask mandates at several North American facilities last week.

However, eligibility for ditching the mask is still supposed to require proof of being vaccinated. This causes problems for those who cannot get the shot for religious, ethical, or medical reasons. While you could forge a card, since they’re easily duplicated squares of white paper on 100 card stock, the federal government has said the practice would be illegal. But I honestly doubt companies are going to endlessly check on employees’ medical backgrounds. From the sound of things, they have bigger fish to fry and the management at some facilities has already stopped being a stickler for mask rules.

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74 Comments on “Mask Mandates Dropped By American Automakers, UAW...”


  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    You could have told the story with the first two paragraphs, but you just *had* to opine about the confusion surrounding the early days of the pandemic.

    You know, Northerners thought the Civil War would be over by the Fall of 1861, and many American thought WW2 would be won by the end of 1942. That’s how things go, so it’s petty to mock Dr Fauci’s early proclamations about Covid-19 after so much more is known today.

    Speaking of petty, you can’t have it both ways. If the UAW and mfrs had *not* required any masking, and hundreds of workers had died of Covid doing business as usual, you’d be critical of them. As it is, the precautions worked. The only source of confusion is from (healthy) people who claim masks are worthless and the whole pandemic is a joke designed to control us.

    At this point, whoever wants to be vaccinated already is. The Anti group can take their chances at their own risk.

    • 0 avatar
      golden2husky

      Except that anti group is preventing the virus from being mostly eradicated. The false information around the vaccines continues to be broadcast by irresponsible sources. We really could be basically done with this by now. Those 300 plus lives lost per day are now almost 100% preventable.

      • 0 avatar
        Daniel J

        @golden2husky

        Except there have been serious side effects and deaths from the vaccine. And there still seems to be controversy around whether those who get vaccinated can still carry and spread the virus.

        Instead of “virtue signaling”, people should weigh their own risk assessment and as always, talk to their doctors.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          “Except there have been serious side effects and deaths from the vaccine”

          Yes but not enough to warrant discontinued the vaccine program. Any medication has risks. I’ve seen people die from Tylenol and advil.

          “And there still seems to be controversy around whether those who get vaccinated can still carry and spread the virus”

          All depends on viral load. The risk of being a carrier is less in vaccinated people.

          “people should weigh their own risk assessment”

          That implies that a person has the necessary accurate information and the ability to interpret it. Most don’t.

          “and as always, talk to their doctors.”

          Yes. That’s a good place to start.

        • 0 avatar
          tomLU86

          @Daniel J

          I agree with you.

          @Lou_BC

          So, if “Most people don’t have the necessary and accurate information and the ability to interpret it”, are you among the hoi polloi?

          I actually agree that we do no have the necessary and accurate information, because a lot of it is suppressed.

          Given the past track record of politicians in general, the mainstream media and Facebook when it comes information, disinformation, and misinformation, one could say it’s quite a leap of faith to take a vaccine which is not “FDA-approved”. It’s “authorized for emergency use”.

          So, if you trust the system and/or feel it is an emergency for you or a loved one, play the odds and take the shot.

          If your neighbor doesn’t, he might wait for a few years before taking his.

          If the shot protects you, you needn’t worry, right?

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @tomLU86 – “you among the hoi polloi?”
            What?
            One needs factual information and the ability to process it in an unbiased fashion. COVID-19 and the control measures have been highly politicized in the US. Most on the right don’t believe the science.

            “So, if you trust the system and/or feel it is an emergency for you or a loved one, play the odds and take the shot.”
            Which system? I trust science and distrust politicians.
            What odds are you referring to?
            It isn’t all that difficult for me to perform a risk/benefit analysis on vaccinations.

            “If the shot protects you, you needn’t worry, right?”
            Don’t try to put words in my mouth.
            94% protection versus zero should be a “no-brainer”.
            A seat belt markedly reduces the risk of dying in a car crash but I still avoid getting into accidents.

          • 0 avatar
            tomLU86

            @Lou_BC

            hoi polloi means “the many”. I was asking if you are among those who have, or lack, the ability to decide, as you wrote originally

            Factual information, to me, means all the information, not suppressing information on the deaths and side effects of the vaccine.

            Like all normal people, I wish we did not have COVID-19.

            Based on the generally available information, I don’t disagree–one’s odds of dying “soon after the shot” are very low. Only 6,000 dead in the US alone. Those are good odds. Of course, every one of those 6,000 is more than just a number.

            One’s odds of dying- from COVID-19 are certainly higher.

            But since I’ve read that many “COVID-19 deaths” are really “deaths after testing positive for COVID-19”, and I personally know of one person whose death had NOTHING to do with COVID, but was counted as a COVID death, one’s odds of dying of COVID are not as high as they are made out to be.

            We don’t know what the long-term effects of the vaccine are, since they are not even 18 months old. Hopefully there are not serious long-term effects.

            Why hasn’t the “science”, the FDA, “approved” the vaccine?

            As to putting words in your mouth, if one doesn’t think the vaccine works (will protect them), why take it?

            I’m glad it’s not difficult for you to do a risk/reward analysis.

            For some one over 70, who is obese and/or has other health issues, and most do, the shot appears to make sense. Take it. It may kill you. But, per the news, if you don’t take it and contract COVID, you will probably die or suffer more.

            For someone healthy and under 50…what percent of the fatalities are from this group. 5%?

            So 5% of a 1-2% chance is 0.05 to 0.1%.

            6,000 out of 100 million is 0.06%

            Take the shot.

            Oh, but what if people who take it develop chronic conditions in 2, 3, 5, or 10 years. What if 5% of them do? What if they are serious, vs annoying?

            Oh well, too bad, so sad. “We didn’t know”.

            So, people have to assess the risk and benefits, present and future, for themselves.

            Your seat belt argument is bogus. I’m not aware of any risks associated with wearing a seat belt.

            An air bag would be a better argument for you–airbags generally help in a frontal collision–but they also have gone off accidentally, leading to accidents and/or death. That does happen.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @tomLU86 – I’m a healthcare professional so based on your comment, I’m not one of the “hoi polloi”. I spend a considerable amount of time on “informed consent”.

            What information has been suppressed? I can access information that laymen can’t, that isn’t suppression.

            The death rate from vaccines is 0.0018%. That includes allergic reactions, clotts etc. Like I said earlier, people die from Tylenol and advil. It’s unfortunate but there isn’t a medication that is risk free.

            I’m sure some deaths have been inaccurately recorded but the reality is that death rates are up significantly even with COVID-19 deaths factored out. That means COVID-19 deaths are underreported not overreported.

          • 0 avatar
            dantes_inferno

            Here’s a novel idea: Focus on PREVENTION. Maintain good hygene, keep up your Vitamin D levels, ditch the processed food and sugars (including carbonated beverages and alcohol), exercise, get plenty of rest – as close to 8 hours of sleep as possible, avoid tobacco like the plague, and other measures to maintain a healthy lifestyle, and fortify your immune system.

            A benefit of these measures is the reducing/eliminating the dependency on meds (i.e. being a slave to big pharma) during your golden years.

            It working for me.

            The human body is an interesting machine – you get out of it what you put into it.

            However, the general populace tends to take the easy way out. Therein lies the problem.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        “Except that anti group is preventing the virus from being mostly eradicated.”

        This will never, ever happen. The current “vaccine” is designed to lessen symptoms and reduce transmission by some amount. This link claims upwards of 40-60% though more studies will be needed.

        “It found immunisation with either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccine reduced the chance of onward virus transmission by 40-60%. This means that if someone became infected after being vaccinated, they were only around half as likely to pass their infection on to others compared to infected people who weren’t vaccinated.”

        https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/mounting-evidence-suggests-covid-vaccines-do-reduce-transmission-how-does-work

        This is good news but the current vaccine will never lead to eradication since it does not educate the body on how to destroy the virus once it is detected.

      • 0 avatar
        NigelShiftright

        If we get Covid down to the level of seasonal flu’s, there will be 100-200 deaths a day. That is a level that will cause the American public to lose no sleep whatever, provided we can get the news media to be less hysterical.

    • 0 avatar
      Astigmatism

      It’s nice of Matt “Disavow” Posky to remind us all of how apolitical he thinks this site should be.

      • 0 avatar
        Matt Posky

        I believe it’s nearly impossible to be totally apolitical in 2021 and I am frequently accused of being both left and right wing in the comments section. Everything from EVs to wearing a mask now has some kind of political bend to people. But I don’t make my decisions or statements based around party affiliations or hollow virtue signaling. I do my utmost to report things as they are and inject snarky comments for my own personal enjoyment.

        As for disavowing, that was for a singular post which I unequivocally did not support.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          Matt – Yes it is as I do it all the time. But I tend not to be especially vocal and roll my eyes when I encounter insanity instead of trying to reason with it.

  • avatar
    Lou_BC

    Ironic, Fauci gets mentioned as a source of confusion but no mention of Captain Chloroquine and the extreme politicization by the former Whitehouse and right-wing alt-news.

    Most of the planet have not had such confusion.

    • 0 avatar
      Matt Posky

      I said that COVID has been politicized from all sides. As for Trump and the Chloroquine claims, those were quickly shot down by the mainstream press and he was chided for months for even bringing it up. Relevant to be sure, but he wasn’t the one tasked with messaging to the American people or imposing health restrictions. Those were left to the applicable experts (sometimes “experts”) and departments.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @Matt Posky – Bullsh!t. The former president was front and centre with the dissemination of false or misleading information. So were many of his minions. Chloroquine was just one example.
        The USA has had one of the worst death rates and the worst politicization.

        I haven’t seen much politicization “on both sides” in Canada or elsewhere in the world.

    • 0 avatar
      Daniel J

      Yet HCQ and zinc has been protocol in many hospitals and has been effective. Heck, even the MSM denounced using higher doses of Decadron which proved highly effective, but since Trump didn’t say anything about it, they let that go.

      I think if Trump said “don’t take HCQ”, the MSM would have just said “HCQ is the cure”. The confusion was just as much a MSM issue as it was the media from the far-right (which the far right was anti-Trump anyways).

      As far as most of the planet, who you talking about? Countries ran by dictatorships? Heck, other countries down in Central and South America were trying Ivermectin when our medical community here just poo-pooed it.

      Keep in mind, I have no idea if any of these things actually work. What I do find amazing is that the medical community and the FDA will sure as heck approve a drug with a 10000 random “controlled” study over a few years and then spend half the commercial talking about all the side effects, but god forbid anyone mention a drug used by tens of thousands with “uncontrolled” studies showing success.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @Daniel J –
        “HCQ and zinc has been protocol”
        Nope. Clinical trials showed zero benefit.
        ““uncontrolled” studies showing success”
        There is a reason why double blind studies and peer review is the gold standard. “Uncontrolled” as the name implies means that there are too many variables that will affect the results.
        “MSM”- what’s that?
        What constitutes “high dose” dexamethasone?
        “far right was anti-Trump”
        Wow…really….citations required.

    • 0 avatar
      Art Vandelay

      Yes, lets all point to the guy who is no longer in charge of squat, in no small part due to how his administration handled this and continue to let the real proprietiers of lies and misinformation in the early days completely off the hook…the Chinese Communist Party.

      Oops, was that racist? I hear such criticism typically is nowadays.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @Art Vandelay – The dude no longer in office was the main one that politicized the mask and control process.
        China isn’t relevant in the context of mask and COVID-19 containment in the USA.

        • 0 avatar
          Art Vandelay

          If my memories are correct (it was a long time ago), the first politicization of the pandemic was the Press proclaiming Trump to be racist for having the gall to want to stop flights from China at the beginning.

          Love the guy or hate the guy, but shutting down travel from the source of a pandemic seems to be a fairly logical step to take.

          Anyway, get your vaccine now or don’t. I don’t care anymore. People can make their bed and lie in it. The country is moving on.

        • 0 avatar
          ajla

          “China isn’t relevant in the context of mask and COVID-19 containment in the USA.”

          Masks? I agree.
          Containment? I very much disagree.

          This is not great stuff:
          https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152

      • 0 avatar
        mcs

        ” to let the real proprietors of lies and misinformation in the early days completely off the hook…the Chinese Communist Party.”

        Part of our government’s job is to not trust the CCP. There is a unit in the Defense Intelligence Agency that is supposed to be monitoring the Chinese government (and others) for exactly the sort of thing that happened. The DIA unit responsible is called the National Center for Medical Intelligence, located at Ft. Detrick. They have medical intelligence analysts trained to look for outbreaks like this. I don’t know what happened there. Could have been a funding issue or staffing. NCMI is supposed to be on top of this stuff because we already know we can’t trust China.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @Art Vandelay – The USA did not carry out a complete shutdown of travel from China. Run his travel ban through factchecks. Org.

        The one term wonder defunded Pandemic Response and pulled a CDC team out of China right before the outbreak.

    • 0 avatar
      teddyc73

      Yeah Lou, the man with dementia we have now will do a far better job I’m sure. I guess it just depends on which puppet master has his or her hand up his puppet chute that day. You’re also incredibly delusional, naive or misinformed if you don’t realize and accept the Democrats politicized this from day one and attempted to thwart all of Trump’s efforts.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @teddyc73 – ROTFLMFAO. Run out of tinfoil for making hats?

        COVID-19 policy under Captain Chloroquine was a disaster. That’s low hanging fruit. If he did a good job in office, he’d still be there.

        You seem to forget that the orange idiot had the majority in Congress and Senate for 2 years and still got next to zero done.

        MAGA 2024 LOL

        • 0 avatar
          Jeff Semenak

          Who is ‘sparkle-socks’ cross-dressing as today?

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “Who is ‘sparkle-socks’ cross-dressing as today?”

            I take it that you are referring to Canada’s “clown in chief”?

            He’s a shitty performing arts major. Was that comment meant to annoy me?

            If he cross-dresses, I don’t care. What ever floats his boat.

  • avatar
    CaddyDaddy

    R-DNA Jab will only protect you against the Wu-Flu from others that has also had the Jab. ….and to promulgate to fear, additional variants will be continued to be cited. Delta was last week, and Delta+ is this week, Epsilon next week along with those super spreader Patriots at those Independence day celebrations. It never will end. Wear your mask, fear everybody as they may not had the Jab and social distance for the rest of your life.

    • 0 avatar
      carguy

      @CaddyDaddy: Please do not use this site to spread COVID vaccine misinformation. Your statement regarding mRNA vaccines is factually incorrect.

      • 0 avatar
        CaddyDaddy

        carguy “Please do not use this site to spread COVID vaccine misinformation” Glad to see that you are the Lord of what is factual and non factual. I also really love, how you fail to give the exact example of what “misinformation” I’m spreading.” … oh wait, you follow the “science” and no dissenting verbiage shall be tolerated. mRNA rDNA all the same DNA altering garbage. what-ever your community calls the Jab, it is not approved by the FDA with full testing. CarGuy, Welcome to my F&I extended warranty closing office. Smoke, Mirrors and BS to sell a product with the false promise of “Safety”.

        • 0 avatar
          Arthur Dailey

          @CaddyDaddy and your advanced degree in biochemistry, infectious diseases, epidemiology or other applicable science is from where exactly? And the university of independent internet research is not an acceptable alternative.

    • 0 avatar
      SCE to AUX

      My friend who died of Covid chose not to live in fear. He chose to avoid the vaccine for the false reasons you cite. Winning!

      Another friend who died of it a year ago went from healthy to dead at age 52 in a week, but hey, it’s just the flu.

      Another friend who had it was vomiting blood for weeks and hospitalized twice with pulse ox in the 80s. My daughter was sick for a month.

      Some long-haulers have foggy brains or can barely climb steps, but maybe that’s just fake news.

      So just keep on living in the misinformation bubble; I’m sure the virus will accommodate your bravado.

      • 0 avatar
        SaulTigh

        And that’s why I chose to get the vaccine, as well as my entire family. I still believe it’s a personal choice, and with it readily available if you choose not to get it you face the consequences. I had a former colleague die early this month from it. Now, he had several health issues that made him susceptible to a bad outcome, but as I heard it a family member was sick at a get together and virtually everyone there came away with Covid in May, which means as a group they chose not to get the vaccine. I share a lot of his politics, but this was not an area where we agreed.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @SCE to AUX – I’m sorry to hear that you lost friends. I hope your daughter has recovered. My condolences.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      “R-DNA Jab will only protect you against the Wu-Flu from others that has also had the Jab.”

      Ha ha ha. Wrong.
      Preliminary data shows a 6% risk of infection in anyone fully vaccinated. Serious illness or death is markedly reduced.

      “….and to promulgate to fear, additional variants will be continued to be cited.Delta was last week, and Delta+ is this week,”

      More BS. People need to be cautious. The worry with variants is the increased risk of infection. That’s thought to go from 6% to 40% depending on the variant.

      “super spreader Patriots at those Independence day celebrations.”
      The risk of spread still exists especially in unvaccinated people.

      “It never will end.”
      Most experts believe COVID-19 is here to stay.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        “It never will end.”
        Most experts believe COVID-19 is here to stay.

        Likely, though sometime between 2030 and 2040 it may sort of go away or become weak enough that it has the sickness potential of the common cold.

  • avatar
    dal20402

    We are fortunate to be in a position where we don’t need masks anymore in many situations. I’ll continue to wear them in crowded indoor spaces and on public transit, but rarely see any use for them outdoors or in the office.

    We took much longer to get to this point than we should have, and are still not nearly as secure as we should be, because masks and other COVID precautions got politicized totally unnecessarily. I remember the very early days of the pandemic when Etsy moms in red states were working overtime to make cloth masks and sell them at cost or give them free to essential workers. It finally felt like everyone was working toward a common purpose. Then things changed; suddenly Red America began seeing reasonable disease precautions like masks as some kind of weakness or infringement on freedom. I think one person bears a disproportionate amount of the blame for that.

    • 0 avatar
      Daniel J

      Gee, when flip – flopping Fauci lied to us all? When there has yet to be a REAL study with masks and Covid 19? They’ve showed us all these correlated studies for virus that aren’t airborn, and even as a few months go the CDC even said the virus is essentially airborn, not water-dropplet based.

      My wife got Covid along with most of her office. They all were wearing masks. Then MIT comes out showing exactly what I thought – that viral load and air saturation are far more important than masks. Most buildings don’t exchange the air.

      I would have had zero issue with the “cloth” mask with real proof that they actually worked as they were sold to us.

      • 0 avatar
        Arthur Dailey

        @DanielJ: First I hope that your wife and her co-workers are all OK. Secondly regarding masks they are not and were not ‘marketed’ as 100% protective. There are considerable tests conducted on masks to measure their efficiency. I purchase only Canadian made masks that have been independently tested to the ASTMF229 standard to be over 95% effective at filtering particles of 0.1 microns.

        Occupational Health and Safety specialists refer to non-N95 masks as a source control. Meaning that they primarily limit the amount of viral load/aerosol that an infected person can exhale/distribute.

        As you mentioned the viral load is crucial and even home made masks may decrease the viral load inhaled so that the severity of your infection is greatly reduced.

        As for your HVAC system filters with a MERV level of 13 or higher should be able to sufficiently filter the air supply.

  • avatar
    JD-Shifty

    the good folks who don’t want the vaccine are the one3s getting sick now. Let’s just let nature sort it all out/

    • 0 avatar
      SCE to AUX

      +1; At least they’ll go bravely, instead of ‘living in fear’.

    • 0 avatar
      Art Vandelay

      I feel the same about those choosing not to go back to work. You are free to make that choice to be sure, but don’t come to the rest of us for a handout.

    • 0 avatar
      mcs

      I have to admit I was kind of bummed out the whole magnetization thing wasn’t true. That would have been pretty handy. Think of how much stuff you could carry. No need to hold it in your hand, you stick it to yourself. Although, walking through the nail section at home depot could be a bit problematic.

    • 0 avatar
      Luke42

      “the good folks who don’t want the vaccine are the one3s getting sick now. Let’s just let nature sort it all out/”

      My kids aren’t old enough to be eligible for the vaccine yet.

      Letting nature take its course with the anti-vaxxers isn’t a very appealing option from my perspective until my whole family is protected.

      Yeah, COVID isn’t as bad if you’re a kid — but being exposed to it would be mandatory if we let nature take its course, and there’s no good argument for putting a kid through that without full protection.

  • avatar
    redapple

    It came from the LAB. CGG-CGG.

    Now my question, Was it released on purpose? Yes. (Per DD)
    1- China has surplus population. They WANT to get rid of the old folks.
    2- Their economy was not nearly as damaged as the rest of the world. Came out of this stronger than the rest of the world.
    3- Helped a great deal to get rid of Trump. An Alpha male who stood up to them. Put sanctions on them. Could be a massive pain in their a$$ going forward.

    So, funny. This “accident” really – actually- helped them a lot.

    https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/origins-of-covid-19-who-opened-pandoras-box-at-wuhan-people-or-nature/

    • 0 avatar
      JD-Shifty

      “1- China has surplus population. They WANT to get rid of the old folks.
      2- Their economy was not nearly as damaged as the rest of the world. Came out of this stronger than the rest of the world.
      3- Helped a great deal to get rid of Trump. An Alpha male who stood up to them. Put sanctions on them. Could be a massive pain in their a$$ going forward”

      With an intellect that low are you able to walk and chew gum at the same time?

    • 0 avatar
      mcs

      “Put sanctions on them.”

      The sanctions are paid by Americans, not the Chinese. They really don’t care. Totally ineffective like everything he did. So incompetent. I suppose I could head over to Walmart right now or Harbor Freight and everything is going to have a nice little Made in USA tag stuck onto it. Unilateral sanctions don’t work.

      • 0 avatar
        ajla

        So what do you suggest?

        • 0 avatar
          mcs

          “So what do you suggest?”

          Sanctions applied by multiple countries could work. Another approach is if we are going to import cheap stuff, try to move that production over to western hemisphere countries. We have border issues, so one approach to solving that would be to stabilize the countries that people are fleeing from. One way to do that is to help those countries take away lost-cost goods production from China. That gives people decent jobs in their home countries. I believe in a free and prosperous hemisphere. Sort of an Americas First philosophy. With money redirected from China to Latin America, you’d have caravans of tourists coming up to vacation in and spend money in the US.

          The other thing that needs to be done is that rather than blindly slapping on tariffs, work with the companies involved to get them to move their production away from China. Like Harbor Freight for example. Find out the reasons they don’t produce certain products in the US or the Western Hemisphere. Then work with them to solve those problems.

          I’m frustrated because I have parts catalogs with parts that have asterisk for Chinese tariffs. I know the US companies paying those tariffs are just going to pass the costs onto the end users or just absorb them. The Chinese will still get their money.

          • 0 avatar
            NigelShiftright

            “Find out the reasons they don’t produce certain products in the US or the Western Hemisphere. Then work with them to solve those problems.”

            Some of the reasons are spelled IRS, FTC, OSHA, EEOC, EPA.

            Now mind you they all may be good reasons. The only thing I’m saying is that implementing them is not without cost.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      “It came from the LAB.

      And what do you mean by that?

      Was it man made? Modified?

      Evidence?

      “Now my question, Was it released on purpose? Yes. (Per DD)”
      DD?
      What is “DD

      I’ll get to the “on purpose” bit….

      “1- China has surplus population. They WANT to get rid of the old folks.”

      Evidence?

      “2- Their economy was not nearly as damaged as the rest of the world. Came out of this stronger than the rest of the world.”

      Their lock down was brutal and ironically, you trust that they will be truthful about how well they did?

      Lame!

      Here is one that conspiracy theorists can’t explain..

      If China had this in a lab and released it on purpose, why are their vaccines so sh!tty and was made well after release of COVID-19?

      3- Helped a great deal to get rid of Trump. An Alpha male who stood up to them. Put sanctions on them. Could be a massive pain in their a$$ going forward
      So, funny. This “accident” really – actually- helped them a lot.

      Too funny.

      Alpha male?

      ROTFLMFAO

      Bone spurs anyone?

      Captain Chloroquine lost due to ineptitude, incompetence,and ignorance. Leaders of countries who performed well on COVID-19 have improved their political fortunes.

      • 0 avatar
        redapple

        LOU:
        THE wise man of TTAC.

        In my post I attached the link to a paper. The paper lays out the case over its 20 page in some great detail. But I ll put it plainly for SIR Lou – Wise sage we bow down to you.

        It was man made.
        It was made in a lab. Read the paper.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @redapple – I’ve already read it. BTW, that’s not a “paper”. It’s a news report.

          I’d love to see a peer reviewed “paper” on the origins of SARS-CoV-2. There is zero evidence of gene splicing.

          The most probable theory is that China knew about it, was studying it, it was out there but not widespread. Weak containment protocols allowed it to escape.

          No tinhats or wild conspiracy yarns required.

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        “Bone spurs anyone?”

        Oh we talking BS excuses to get out of going to war? Let’s discuss Joe’s Asthma that somehow never bothered him playing sports in college. Honestly going back to Clinton I had come to think draft dodging was a job requirement. At least W showed up enough to learn to fly a plane.

      • 0 avatar
        SCE to AUX

        @Lou_BC:

        Thank you for the kind words; my daughter is fine.

        As for “Captain Chloroquine” – I think he could have won the election by merely showing some empathy and legitimate concern about the pandemic, as past presidents have done during wartime. But Mr Trump is incapable of that.

  • avatar
    Kendahl

    COVID-19 is the first world wide epidemic (pandemic) since the Spanish Flu one hundred years ago. Although we have better treatments, that save lives that would have been lost back then, COVID-19 is different enough that it was, and still is, poorly understood. During a recent appointment, my wife asked our family doctor what we should do about the Delta variant which is certain to become the dominant strain (at least until another one, even more contagious, comes along). He had no answer. I hope the answer isn’t for us to return to being hermits and wearing masks when we can’t avoid associating with strangers. My suspicion is that we will need vaccine variants to go along with virus variants which means starting vaccinations from scratch once more. One thing I am sure of is that a lot of people are going to die before we get this solved.

    • 0 avatar
      SCE to AUX

      One reason Covid vaccines were developed so quickly is that researchers knew exactly what they were going after. This is unlike the typical flu vaccines which have always been iffy because researchers have just been guessing at which strains were arriving that year.

      So for the Covid variants, I’m cautiously optimistic that boosters or whole new vaccines can be developed fairly quickly to fight them, because the target is known. But it will always be a reactive game.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        DARPA has been researching pandemics for years prior to 2020.

        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/last-pandemic-science-military-60-minutes-2021-04-11/

        We on this site don’t really know what the researchers knew and didn’t knew when the crash program began last March… assuming of course that is when the research started. You have nailed what’s happening with your last point though.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      @Kendahl SARS-COV-2 is a slow mutating virus. It has a “built in” rudimentary “code checker” that reduces the amount of mutations. Think of making copies with an old Microsoft system. Mistakes get through but not enough to be unpredictable.

      Variants are more “infective”. Vaccine effectiveness can drop to the 60% range.

  • avatar
    Art Vandelay

    I remember when this was a car site. Again, from the golden era!

    https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2005/08/subaru-b9-tribeca/

    Sadly, Farago ain’t coming back. Maybe Bertel Schmidt?

  • avatar
    JD-Shifty

    people who refuse the vaccine should have to pay for any covid treatment out of pocket.

  • avatar
    Rich Fitzwell

    A discarded mask on the ground is sheeple droppings.

  • avatar
    ToolGuy

    The UAW, Ford, General Motors and Stellantis in 2021 represent the absolute pinnacle of human achievement (in all of human history) with regard to design, manufacturing, work practices, health and safety [including environmental safety].

    You cannot go wrong by following their example.

    http://www.tribtoday.com/news/local-news/2019/03/saying-goodbye-to-the-cruze/

    http://www.detroitchamber.com/ford-motor-companys-comprehensive-approach-to-addressing-the-opioid-crisis/

    http://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/fiat-chrysler-to-pay-30-million-to-settle-federal-corruption-probe.html

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