By on June 3, 2021

bZ4X. Toyota

Yesterday we brought you a bit on the Toyota product blitz. While most of it was relatively small in terms of news impact — two special-edition Tacomas, a special Supra, and the refreshed and updated GR86.

The big news was the Corolla Cross crossover (say that five times fast) and, arguably, the bZX4 BEV Concept electric vehicle.

So, naturally, our question for you is this — how do the Corolla Cross and, potentially, the bZX4, change Toyota’s game? Should the C-HR go away? Will the Corolla Cross sell well or is it DOA? Should it at least have a different moniker?

And so on, and so forth. The floor is yours, ladies and gents.

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40 Comments on “QOTD: What Hath Toyota Wrought?...”


  • avatar
    noorct

    Corolla Cross will do fine. I’d argue there’s room for both the C-HR and the CC, but they’ll need a fraction more pricing differentiation between them. If the last few years have proven anything…. you can never have enough crossovers in your lineup.

    The full electric (and nearly production ready) concept is great. More competition there is always better. The first few SUV’s (VW and Ford, plus Audi from traditional automaker sides) are all fine, but there’s a real deficit of options. I can find dozens of SUV models in all shapes and sizes, but only a handful of plug-in SUVs.

    Toyota moving into the space creates another option, and might in fact end up as the best option. The ID4 is a deeply cynical effort (no rear window switches? Really?) and the Mach-E is fine but not really a traditional SUV. The Audi is out of reach for most people financially and starts where most mainstream SUV’s top out pricewise.

    Ultimately it’s just more options. Fun to see what people pick over the next few years with traditional, hybrid, and plug in options all bringing different things to the table.

    Me personally – I would have a hard time not buying a hybrid at least. In the market to replace my old Sienna and the new one getting 30+ MPG will almost double my gas mileage (and keep AWD). I wish Honda had a hybrid option, but in the absence of that it gets at least 50% better gas mileage than the competition.

    Similar in the SUV space. I hate the highlander but if I needed a three row SUV I would really have to consider a rav4 hybrid or a highlander hybrid…

    • 0 avatar
      Flipper35

      The Pacifica hybrid gets similar mileage, is that not competition?

      • 0 avatar
        noorct

        Yeah it does – probably too specific but I can’t imagine getting an Odyssey or Sedona / Carnival (even if I liked them better) over either the Pacifica or the Sienna just based on the running costs and potential savings over a normal lifecycle.

        Heck even on a lease – I’m getting about 17 MPG on my Sienna and filling up once a week ($50 or so) so paying $7800 over my three year lease. Either the Sienna or the Pacifica would cut the cost in half or be worth a little over $100 a month in savings (but more importantly they are basically equivalently priced). Not to mention spending half the time filling up (or really avoiding the station altogether in the Pacifica’s case barring roadtrips).

        • 0 avatar
          jack4x

          17 MPG in a Sienna? Do you idle an hour a day?

          My wife drives like a maniac and can’t get below low 20s.

          • 0 avatar
            cimarron typeR

            I like the interior of the new Sienna but we’re in love with v6 powertrain of our 18 Limited prem AWD. Compared to the 2.0t powertrains of our other 2 cars , it’s a luxury.
            We get 18-20mpg in suburban cycle but it only has 30k miles to date, so the Hybrid math doesnt really work for us. I would like the 500 mile tank range though.
            We’re gonna keep it for a long while.I don’t understand people who trade in Toyotas after 60k miles. The juice is in the 80-150k range of this brand. Paid for and reliable. I am seriously interested in the FRS/BRZ though.

        • 0 avatar
          Flipper35

          Even our non-hybrid Pacifica gets 25-26 mixed and the last road trip we got 32.5 highway.

          • 0 avatar
            noorct

            Haha no idling for an hour a day.
            But
            1) All in town driving
            2) 8-10 short trips a day (school dropoffs / pickups / activities)
            3) AWD

        • 0 avatar
          jalop1991

          “…I can’t imagine getting an Odyssey or Sedona / Carnival (even if I liked them better) over either the Pacifica or the Sienna just based on the running costs and potential savings over a normal lifecycle.”

          That was my decision exactly about 6 weeks ago. After over 20 years, I could no longer stomach the day to day 14mpg of the Odyssey.

          But we went out and drove them all anyway.
          So it worked out super well that my wife actually liked the Pacifica (in our case, the Hybrid) over the other three.

          When we get back from vacation, I expect to use VERY little gasoline. But when we need it, the hybrid drive will be right there for us.

          Even on vacation, without our plugging it in, the same daily driving that we do at home is getting us 27mpg. No way the old Odyssey would have come near to that.

          And then there’s the $7500 tax credit. Wowzer.

      • 0 avatar
        Luke42

        “The Pacifica hybrid gets similar mileage, is that not competition?”

        I’m a primate candidate for the Pacifica Hybrid. I drove it and liked it.

        Getting Stellantis reliability at a Honda price is what has deterred me.

        So, I’m saving up for an EV instead.

        [shrug]

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          “Getting Stellantis reliability at a Honda price is what has deterred me.”

          Its really that simple, I hope Cialis execs are reading. I think despite Chrysler Kwality its a buy at the right price, just not that Honda premium as you allude.

        • 0 avatar
          jalop1991

          I think you’d be surprised at things today. I think what you THINK you want is Honda reliability.

          I’m here to tell you, you don’t want Honda “reliability”. That’s a myth that died 20 years ago, with the MY1998 V6 Accord.

          For $1600, I got the Mopar MaxCare 8 years/100K miles warranty. I’m good.

  • avatar
    indi500fan

    Looks a lot like the Chevy Blazer profile.

  • avatar
    JMII

    I am not in the market but given how well crossovers sell I can’t see how having another one could hurt. Not sure what the difference is other then styling. In general Toyota has followed Honda down this path of maximizing ugliness so having an un-stylized (aka normal) version of the same vehicle might be a good idea.

    As far as the EV goes I think we are beginning to see the tide turn. Instead of building weird coupes and odd hatchbacks that nobody buys these newest EVs are based on CUVs, SUVs (and even trucks) that people actually want. This should remove one barrier to entry into the EV market for purchasers. People want a CUV first and EV second, so if your only EV choice is a sedan you get a hard pass from consumers.

  • avatar
    Pianoboy57

    I think the Corolla Cross is a great idea but that nose, what are they thinking? Hopefully the production version will look better. When I saw that toy EV I started looking for the remote control so I could play with it in my living room.

  • avatar
    tonycd

    The RAV4 long ago supplanted the Camry as Toyota’s biggest US seller. With the Corolla name behind it, this too will become a big volume model if Toyota prices it modestly enough to pursue that kind of sales.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      I agree, but this looks like a RAV to me which I am sure is not by accident.

    • 0 avatar
      tonycd

      Coverage elsewhere suggests this one will be a size down, competing with CUVs like the HR-V where the RAV competes with the CR-V. So, it sounds like Toyota does have big volume ambitions for this model. I think they’ll achieve them.

  • avatar
    spookiness

    I live in an area where I expect a lot of people will replace their Corolla with Crossolla when the lease is up. I was intrigued with the Corolla hatchback, but it’s a mite small for my needs. I’ll probably look at the Cross. It’s boring, but I’m ok with that.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      What are your needs? I have one and use it like a small truck. I just hauled 300+ bricks with it over three trips (only seems to hold about 500-600lb cargo before sagging the rear end too much).

      • 0 avatar
        ajla

        You have the iM Corolla though. The current hatch is about 5cuft smaller for passenger volume and 4cuft smaller for cargo.

      • 0 avatar
        spookiness

        If the hatch had just a few more inches of wheelbase (for legroom) and a more squared rear hatch profile I might be game. The Crossolla has the slight ride height, and my knees are not great so there’s that. If it has decent equipment, is priced right, and offers an interior that isn’t all-black, I’d definitely look. FWD is fine.

        • 0 avatar
          ajla

          I don’t know if it would matter to you but the Corolla hatch and sedan have a multi-link rear suspension while the FWD Corolla Cross is torsion beam.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          In a normal world I would expect the Corolla Hatch to have money on the hood vs this Crossolla which certainly will not, but we don’t live there anymore so probably going to pay sticker on either. Since Crossolla will probably be priced higher, is that premium worth slight ride height (which you could probably achieve with a suspension adjustment later)?

  • avatar
    airfidget

    Same platform as the UX, so it’s a bit late to the game.

    I think they should check out their naming conventions. Kind of the same identity crisis naming as the Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross or Mustang Mach-E. Is it an Eclipse, a heavily aftermarket supported car? Or is it a new car? Is it a Mustang Mach-1 that every American muscle fan would turn heads at? Or is it an electric, eco-friendly crossover?

    How about stick with your own naming convention, Toyota? 4-Micro, Comp(act)-4. Opposite of a Sequoia? Cypress?

    The CH-R should definitely change styles, at minimum. Wiki says it was originally intended for Scion, and that makes sense. But maybe it should go the direction of Scion, or the direction of the Nissan Juke moving to the Nissan Kicks.

    The BEV is a good call. More oil restrictions, they should be hyping that up. Looks like a RAV, so I’m thinking it would be a good seller.

  • avatar
    N8iveVA

    I think the Corolla Cross (dumb name) will sell well, although I wish they had named it Matrix since I feel that’s a previous Toyota name and this feels closely related.

    Not a fan of the glossy black paint around the wheel well that migrates to the headlights on the bZX4 (again, dumb name.

  • avatar
    mcs

    LMFAO! Check out the interior shot! Hmmm, now where have we seen this before. Get used to this cuz these will be everywhere:

    https://img-ik.cars.co.za/images/2021/4/ToyotabZX4/tr:n-news_large/ToyotaBzX4f.jpg

    BTW: NHTSA has given its blessing, so prepare.

    • 0 avatar
      ajla

      I will put a 0.0% chance of any North American production Toyota using a steering yoke during the next decade.

      • 0 avatar
        mcs

        I’d give it 98% chance in the coupes, 70% chance in the crossovers. It’s legal here and they’ve shown it in a production prototype, so I think the odds a pretty good.

        • 0 avatar
          ajla

          “I’d give it 98% chance in the coupes”

          What coupes?

          And I stand by 0.0% on North America offerings.

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            @ajila: You might be right. I found another shot with the round steering wheel in place. They’re probably waiting to see how it works for Tesla.

            https://toyota.scene7.com/is/image/toyota/CPT_FY22_0012_V001?wid=2000&fmt=jpg&fit=crop

            What coupes?
            The GR86, the Supra, RC, and LC. None of them have it now, but I think it’s going to be a fad. LC and RC would probably be first.

  • avatar
    wjtinfwb

    Mazda must be flattered… looks just like the 3 yr old CX-30.

    • 0 avatar
      Oberkanone

      In production and on sale since mid 2020. Corolla Cross went to production less than 1 year after CX-30 went to production. Too short timeframe for Toyota to copy. Perhaps Mazda and Toyota collaborated. Toyota and Mazda joint ownership of new plant in Alabama.

  • avatar
    theflyersfan

    Look at all of the micro-brackets that automakers are tying to fill with every size of crossover, even if their size difference doesn’t carry over much in the real world and price differences (on paper) doesn’t seem to justify their existence.

    As long as these print money, Toyota isn’t going can any crossovers yet. The days of a tiny RAV4 and slightly larger two row Highlander are long, long gone.

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

    “What Hath Toyota Wrought?”

    Another in an infinite sea of pug-nosed, bunker-windowed, chopped C-pillar, no ground clearance CUV thingies.

    Just give me an E-GTI with 400 miles of range that weighs 3500 pounds and goes 0-60 in 4.5 seconds.

  • avatar
    sckid213

    “bZX4” sounds like a computer password. Brand-new models are not the time for alphanumeric soup. They need an easy-to-remember identity that people can recite easily. Imagine if the Prius had been named “aZX2″…

  • avatar
    conundrum

    Corolla Cross, what a name. Presumably it’s a teensier Venza. You all probably forgot about that newish entry.

    It’s hard to see what the USPs of all these scuttling windowed vans is supposed to be. Maybe to have lease payments $40 a month apart for advertising. There’s surely no need for all this crap. What, are customers supposed to fall over in awe when they enter a Toyota showroom? “Lookit the choice here, Martha! And it’s Toyota Red Tag Doo Dad Six Month Sales Event of a Lifetime as well! Yeehaw!”

    C/D just retested that other Toyota nonentity, the Lexus UX, which is a CH-R with a nose job and a fancy interior but nothing else, and wildly overpriced considering its moaning powertrain. It’s machine-made sem-eye fancy sourdough bread. Can you imagine anyone dreaming of owning one? Tingling with anticipation?

    Toyota, Oh what a feeling. Only one real crossover seller, the RAV4, followed by the anonymous blocky Highlander, and the rest are window dressing. So maybe it’s time to move all those cheapy Corolla drivers up to the Cross and relieve them of a few extra bux each month.

    All the manufacturers are just flinging various wet crossovers at the wall to see what sticks. Totally boring. Not a decent drive in any of them.

  • avatar
    Secret Hi5

    Good dividend, up 50 percent YOY, and no drama. TM is doing right. It’s funny how Toyota stock is safe/conservative/reliable, just like its vehicles.

  • avatar

    Hey Toyota, can you try an make cars that do not look like shit? Thanks.

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