By on August 27, 2017

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Through Sunday morning, Harvey continued to unleash record levels of rain upon Texas, causing biblical flooding. The situation is so bad that the National Weather Service warned of “additional catastrophic, unprecedented and life threatening flooding” into the next week, and placed flash-flood emergencies for the entirety of Southeast Texas.

Harvey was the strongest storm to hit the United States since 2004 and has already trapped countless individuals, both in their homes and on the road as the rain has turned several major highways into man-made rivers. In some areas, the waterline is high enough to reach streetlights. 

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According to Reuters, emergency crews spent all of Sunday morning rescuing people from flooded cars and homes as waters rose across southeast Texas, saving more than 1,000 people around Houston as Harvey stalled over the area — punishing the region with even more rain than originally expected.

“This event is unprecedented and all impacts are unknown and beyond anything experienced,” the National Weather Service stated on Twitter.

The center of Harvey still hasn’t reached Houston, but is forecast to arc slowly toward the city by Wednesday as the slow moving storm creeps through Texas. Damage to vehicles and homes is anticipated to far surpass anything a normal hurricane would yield. Chuck Watson, director of research and development at Enki Holdings in Savannah, Georgia, told Automotive News “If it was a traditional hurricane it would be a $2 billion storm, maybe $3 billion, but that is not what this storm is about,” Watson said.

Now that Harvey is a near-stagnant tropical storm, its damaging winds have given way to rising floodwaters, tidal surges, and tornadoes. The worst that could happen is if swings back into the gulf and re-intensifies Monday or Tuesday, before once again swinging back into the southeastern Texas.

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Harvey is bombarding a region that has a cluster of refineries that process roughly five million barrels of oil a day. About one million barrels a day of crude refining capacity in Texas have been shut by companies including Valero Energy Corp., according to numerous company statements, press releases, and people familiar with the situation. Automotive News believes the storm’s path through the Gulf stalled 24 percent of the area’s oil production along with the entire port of Corpus Christi, which ships the largest amount of U.S. oil overseas.

How dramatically the storm will affect the region’s automotive output is still unknown, however. While shipping through Texas has been stalled for the rest of the week, supplier routes up from Mexico have been shifted to avoid the Eastern portion of the state.

Local area dealerships are also concerned. With low-lying areas seeing feet of water, many shops are worried that they may lose their entire inventory. Mitchell Dale, co-owner of McRee Ford in Dickinson, Texas, just south of Houston, said his dealership closed Friday morning to allow employees the opportunity to leave town.

“There’s only so much you can do,” Dale said. “Our main concern is our employees, and making sure they had time to leave if they want to.”

Dale said Harvey is the worst storm the store has experienced since 1979, when tropical storm Claudette delivered more than 30 inches of water into the building. “We were totally shut down for about two weeks,” he said. “We had to replenish inventory and it just creates a real mess.”

In addition to the dealer vehicles, many drivers were trapped in their own cars over the weekend as roads ahead of them quickly flooded. The Twitter account of the Harris County Sheriff’s Office, which includes most of Houston, was bombarded with rescue requests and found itself unable to respond to all of them.

“All agencies care but everyone [is] simply operating at maximum capacity,” Sheriff Ed Gonzalez tweeted at one point. The account has since asked residents to use 911 to request emergency assistance and urged drivers not to attempt driving around barricades or through flooded roads.

 

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  • avatar
    bullnuke

    I empathize with the people who choose to live in an area where, though not regularly but often enough, major storms of titanic proportions step onshore and create havoc. I guess that a rather quick search for history of hurricanes affecting this region would reveal that this is not a unique incident. In about six-weeks time there will be another issue of flooding. Flood-damaged, low mileage used cars with “clean CarFax’s” will be transported north for sale to the incautious. “That odd smell when the heater’s runnin’? All newer low-milers smell that way at first. It’s the new-car smell added to make ‘er smell more organic and green-friendly!”

    • 0 avatar
      brn

      That was our thought when we saw those cars in the water. They’re going to magically start appearing up here.

    • 0 avatar
      wstarvingteacher

      You have your point and we all make choices. However, this storm is on the way to being something not seen before (at least in the U.S.). I have lived in Conroe, just north of Houston since about 1985. We were not the hardest hit by any means but in the morning I expect to be isolated in my dry home until it’s over. Luckily we have yet to lose power here. The towns of Port Aransas and Rockport have essentially been destroyed if the news is correct.

      This is being termed a 500 year storm and that might be conservative. The problem is that the atmospheric winds were such that the storm stalled on the coast and is acting more like a monsoon than what we are used to.

      I feel pretty lucky and I’m sorry that our flooded cars will probably flood the market. The problem is that there is a tipping point that is going to cause people to die and I anticipate that will happen soon. Evidently Houston’s Mayor did not urge evacuation because of a debacle that was experienced on a past false alarm. I don’t actually know or care but do know that it isn’t the wind. It’s all the rain and too many people are still here and trapped. Unfortunately, to address your apparent main concern…. so are their cars.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        People are no doubt going to criticize the mayor of Houston for not evacuating, but six and a half million people live in the Houston area. How in the name of God do you evacuate that many people? I have no idea how that would work. Ditto for places like Miami, or New York, or Boston, or any other city that is prone to storms like this.

        • 0 avatar
          JMII

          The forecast was very accurate, everyone was given plenty of warning. The NHC predicted life threatening levels of flooding during its Wednesday AM update. Now you can’t make everyone leave the city, but people did have the information they needed to make a decision. As someone who lives in FL and has been through at least 5 hurricanes that required putting up the panels making that choice to get out is always difficult. As they say: hide from wind, but RUN from water. Very sad to see so many homes, cars and people’s lives ruined.

        • 0 avatar
          SaulTigh

          They tried it once before when a Cat 5 was coming their way and 100 people died in the evacuation, including 20 or so developmentally disabled people whose bus EXPLODED on the side of the interstate. That storm weakened rapidly to a Cat 2 at landfall and did virtually no damage and caused very little flooding. That was in 2005, so the memory is fresh.

          It’s almost a damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario. We’re talking 4.5 million people.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          You’d think that emergency services would have a plan in place for orderly evacuations in case of these types of occurrences. Waiting to the last minute isn’t a sound way to go.
          In BC we’ve had several communities evacuated due to forest fires. They learned from the Fort MacMurray fire that one needs to get people out early. Mind you, we were dealing with populations in the 10k range as opposed to 500k plus.

          • 0 avatar
            bikegoesbaa

            It might not be possible to evacuate 1m+ people in an orderly way. Has it ever been done anywhere?

            Even if there was a plan, there’s no way to know how good that plan is until you have to use it. It’s not like you can do a practice evacuation of Houston to see where the problems are.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            In 1979 in Mississauga (a city on the western boundary of Toronto) approximately 1/4 million residents were evacuated without any prior warning under emergency conditions, due to the derailment of a train carrying toxic chemicals. There was no loss of life, breakdown of law and order, etc.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            How about Mississauga today?

            When traveling from Pickford three weeks ago the driver made it sound like it was a little rough down that way. If true, I wonder how orderly an evacuation would be.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            Mississauga is one of the largest cities in Canada and has a very low crime rate. It is mostly a ‘bedroom’ suburban community. However one with abysmal urban planning.

            11 total murders in the neighbouring cities of Mississauga and Brampton (Peel Region) in 2016, with a combined and very ethnically diverse population of approximately 1.3 million. Compelling evidence for the efficacy of gun control legislation.

            http://safecitymississauga.on.ca/mississauga-continues-to-be-among-the-safest-cities-in-canada-in-2014/

  • avatar
    Dave M.

    The place is a mess. I’m very fortunate in that we have power and no water in the house. Many people I know and throughout the region aren’t as fortunate.

    Like Miami and LA, there is a large “dark side” in the local auto retail scene. A whole bunch of junk will be flowing out of this area soon. Beware.

    Sajeev and the rest of the TTAC’ers in the region, I hope the best for you…

  • avatar
    Land Ark

    I’ve been waiting by the phone all weekend expecting the call to pack up and head to the area to help get the lights back on. So far no call, and it doesn’t seem that power outages are as wide spread as they could be.

    I’m happy to go, but at this point I’d rather folks there not need me.

    Stay safe folks, and please don’t drive into water.

  • avatar
    hamish42

    In the 50s, Hurricane Hazel hit Toronto, killing 81 people including several rescuers. You can still see areas which were changed forever by the storm, and the many bridges and highways which date from that era which were replacements for structure no longer there. Those of us who live in Toronto, including those of us who weren’t here at the time, have a vivid feel for what one of these things can do. The city is surrounded by flood control structures. My heart goes out to Texas. My prayers are for no more deaths. You can always replace a structure. Never a human soul.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    This is going to be horrible for drivers of Ford F Series pickups.

    Their lugnuts are going to swell and corrode, and their wheels will off.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    NormSVarea51 is running rescue missions with his Trifecta Tune Buick Encore with pontoon outriggers.

    He’s getting 7.8 hours to the gallon on marine fuel.

    • 0 avatar
      NormSV650

      Ha! We have a Ultra 250 jetski but it is closer to 20 gph at full throttle. Don’t think it’ll be much help beyond the first tank full.

      • 0 avatar
        NormSV650

        We’ve been looking to adopt another dog and this might be that oppurtunity to help out.

        • 0 avatar
          Rick T.

          Bless you for that. The number of stories and pictures coming in of abandoned pets is heartbreaking. I just don’t understand some people.

          We were involved in a no-kill shelter in Chicago for many years. Some organizations like that one have rescue resources which they roll out for situations like this. Many dogs and cats from New Orleans found new homes up north. Maybe an organization near you has this as well. There will be a huge need for homes for these unfortunate animals.

    • 0 avatar
      JohnTaurus

      So, trolling is all you can do?

  • avatar
    mikey

    I’m just watching the CNN feed.. A full size crew cab, I can’t make out the brand. The water is over the dash. Cars, houses, all destroyed. I don’t care if your rich, or poor, losing it all like that has to rip your heart out.

    For anybody affected, my thoughts and prayers are with you. Stay safe folks !

    Mike

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    My thoughts and prayers as well. Doesn’t really matter what one drives what matters is that many have lost everything they had.

  • avatar
    Felix Hoenikker

    Thank the Lord that our esteemed president has declared such 500 year climate events as a Chinese hoax. Now I can sleep better/

    • 0 avatar
      markf

      “Thank the Lord that our esteemed president has declared such 500 year climate events as a Chinese hoax. Now I can sleep better”

      So, the 500 year weather event is a result of 20th century Global Warming. Got it

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Go easy on the guy, Felix…he actually take time away from the oh-so-vital national problem of pardoning that Arpaio idiot, and then tweeting about it, to sign the disaster declaration.

      Man’s got his priorities straight. For sure.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      Trumpito is probably glad for Harvey, as it will distract from the hurricane of destruction that are his actions, latest f*ckups, latest criminal acts, and may even allow him more room to further do harm and sow hatred and disharmony, while keeping peoples’ eyes from facts surrounding his recent and near-recent financial dealings with unscrupulous, foreign actors’trying to influence U.S. foreign policy.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        I’m willing to see how he handles it and then decide.

        But I’ll tell you what – if I were living anywhere in south Texas, I’d sure as hell remember that this guy decided to pardon that Arpaio fool BEFORE he dealt with the massive natural disaster that just flooded my house. And that wouldn’t sit very well with me.

        • 0 avatar
          ToddAtlasF1

          Reminds me why I have no regard for the filth who throw their toys out of their prams over the pardon of an 85 year old American who was jailed by a Marxist judge for upholding the law but didn’t utter a peep when Obama freed many of the worst terrorists from Gitmo. It’s all about whose side you’re on and whether or not your character is weak enough to allow your brain to be washed.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            “Marxist judge”…

            LOL. Troll request received. And declined.

            Have a nice day, Todd.

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            You think that’s trolling? Have you seen the latest footage of Michael Obama’s penis at Yale? Too bad Joan Rivers didn’t understand how the bubble works.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            You’re right, you weren’t trolling.

            You were just saying stupid s**t and expecting me to argue with it.

            So, therefore…

            Request to engage in pointless “debate” received…and declined.

            Does that work better for you?

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            A duly elected judge following the law of the land that Arpaio chose to break.

            The rule of law is the cornerstone of a democracy. Nobody is above it.

            And that requires an independent judiciary.

            Unfortunately the current President seems either unaware of that, or is disinclined to feel constrained by it. Hence his constant blathering regarding judges enforcing the law, when it does not serve his purposes.

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            “A duly elected judge following the law of the land that Arpaio chose to break.

            The rule of law is the cornerstone of a democracy. Nobody is above it.

            And that requires an independent judiciary.”

            Just what I expect from the guy who said that allowing hate speech is a precursor to censorship! It isn’t the job of the judiciary to make law. When these Obama and Clinton nominated judges legislate from the bench with no legal arguments, that is the definition of the end of the rule of law. Joe was held in contempt for enforcing the laws as they are written, not breaking them. Logic is your enemy.

        • 0 avatar
          markf

          WTF does Sheriff Joe have to do with Texas flooding? Is that the angle you Libs are shooting for, Sheriff Joe distracted Trump so Houston flooded?

          The best real estate deal Trump ever made was living in heads like yours for free……

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Well, the easiest way I can think of for a president to live in anyone’s head is to do something stupid…like taking time out from dealing with the worst natural disaster for a “Free Sheriff Joe” tweetfest.

            But I’m just a dumb old liberal. What do I know?

          • 0 avatar
            markf

            “Well, the easiest way I can think of for a president to live in anyone’s head is to do something stupid…like taking time out from dealing with the worst natural disaster for a “Free Sheriff Joe” tweetfest.

            But I’m just a dumb old liberal. What do I know?”

            Yes, what do you know. He should have been on Golf Course like Obama when Louisiana flooded or when the giant BP oil spill went down.

            Cause the 8 secs on tweeting took away precious time, Houston would be dry as bone now if only for the TWEETS!

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Well, mark, what you’re saying is that it’s all fair game when the presidency is the topic. I agree.

            In that case, setting aside the question of whether Arpaio deserved a pardon, it’s fair game to say it should have happened AFTER things were better sorted out in Texas. And there are a LOT of Republicans who are going to agree with me on this.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            @Todd, one of the great arguments against Trump is that many of his supporters have demonstrated zero understanding of logic, critical thinking, history or how the law operates.

            Very few neutral commentators or those of repute are on record of being in favour of the President’s action regarding Arpaio.

            “Sen. John McCain of Arizona issued a statement saying that while Mr. Trump has the ability to issue a pardon, “doing so at this time undermines his claim for the respect of rule of law as Mr. Arpaio has shown no remorse for his actions.”

            McCain’s fellow senator from Arizona, Jeff Flake, tweeted that he “would have preferred the President honor the judicial process and let it take its course.”

            The American Constitution and the Bill of Rights overrule any other laws. When a duly elected judge issues an order, the only legal options are to obey it or appeal the order. Arpaio purposely chose to ignore such an order and therefore break the law. The political inclinations or ethnic of the judge matter not at all.

            No ifs, ands or buts.

            Of course there are number of other issues regarding Arpaio’s actions that are now being alleged. Some quite serious.

            And yes allowing hate crimes and hate speech has led to censorship and/or increased government intervention. Check the historical precedents

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            Labeling something hate speech and censoring it is censorship. You don’t know what censorship means, which makes discussing this with you problematic.

            McCain and Flake are enemies to the American people. They lied about their intentions throughout the Obama regime and then turned their backs on their supporters when it mattered. That they’re on the wrong side of this matter is no surprise. You talk about the law but their side is all about not enforcing immigration law to bring about the end of all of our laws. Schumer has recently said stopping illegal aliens from voting is white supremacy. Why do Democrats and their false flag Republicans want people who usually can’t read and write in Spanish and have no knowledge of our institutions or why they created the country they want to live in to vote? Because they will vote for the destruction of the state through entitlements, bringing about the Marxist utopia where individuals don’t matter and the government has unrestrained power. Do you think the left loves the Muslims just because they throw gays off of rooftops and treat women worse than dogs? No, it is because they are on the same side, the one that doesn’t value any individual’s life.

      • 0 avatar
        markf

        “Trumpito is probably glad for Harvey, as it will distract from the hurricane of destruction that are his actions, latest f*ckups, latest criminal acts, and may even allow him more room to further do harm and sow hatred and disharmony, while keeping peoples’ eyes from facts surrounding his recent and near-recent financial dealings with unscrupulous, foreign actors’trying to influence U.S. foreign policy.”

        You are delusional. Maybe it’s time to up your meds dosage

        • 0 avatar
          DeadWeight

          Unlike members of the Trumptardian Guard, I’m far from delusional.

          I belong to no party, am fiscally moderate, socially moderate, and could smell Trump’s complete and total bullish*t wafting for years.

          He’s a new kind of dangerous ignoramus, playing with gasoline and a stack of matches.

          He’s already set fire to his base, which you’re apparently a part of, and before long, Based Stickmen in ad hoc, clumsy Captain America leopards with garbage can lids as their shields will be the new Brown Shirts.

          #TrumpSteaks

          #TrumpVodka

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Cap would NEVER have voted for Trump.

            FYI.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            I’m. Of sure Captain America would have voted for any candidate that ran, sadly.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            …would NOT have voted for…

            Sadly.

            We’re have you gone, Dwight Eisenhower, a lonely nation looks to you…oh oh oh

          • 0 avatar
            markf

            The new Brown shirts belong to the Left, you know the guys in black, covering their faces beating people and destroying property, suppressing free speech.

            “I belong to no party” Translation: I am Liberal but don’t want to admit it to myself

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            “The new Brown shirts belong to the Left…”

            This guy must be a real blast at parties.

        • 0 avatar
          markf

          “Well, mark, what you’re saying is that it’s all fair game when the presidency is the topic. I agree.

          In that case, setting aside the question of whether Arpaio deserved a pardon, it’s fair game to say it should have happened AFTER things were better sorted out in Texas. And there are a LOT of Republicans who are going to agree with me on this.”

          So Trump announces Sheriff Joe’s pardon (a man who was convicted for enforcing existing immigration laws) on the same day a hurricane hits Texas. Presidential pardons are reviewed by lawyers, drafted up then signed. So the Pardon was in the works before the hurricane was an issue, this somehow makes the Hurricane worse cause the 8 secs of tweets do what exactly?

          Much like the “Katrina was Bushes fault” hysteria used to cover up local and state Gov incompetence this is the new narrative to blame a natural disaster on Trump.

          What exactly would be different if the Pardon was announced this week? Would there be less flooding? Less destruction? It was the Mayor of Houston who told people not to leave, not Trump

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            LOL, no one’s blaming a natural disaster on Trump.

            I’m questioning whether this pardon could have waited until after the storm cleared up. That’s all.

            Good lord…

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            Many pundits have the belief that the pardon was timed as to be hidden within all of the disaster coverage.
            That was @FreedMike’s original point.

            @FreedMike – angry white men have to blame somebody or something for their perceived woes. Pardoning is pandering to #45’s base.

          • 0 avatar
            markf

            “angry white men have to blame somebody or something for their perceived woes. Pardoning is pandering to #45’s base.”

            Ah yes, people elected Trump to pardon Sheriff Joe, that was the entire point of the election. I guess people elected obama so he could pardon Puerto Rican terrorists?

            Ah, the old “angry white man” caveat. You can thanks the Dems for that, when polarize the country into identity politics, when identity politics is your strategy and everyone gets an identity but White Men, well this is what you get.

          • 0 avatar
            JimZ

            “@FreedMike – angry white men have to blame somebody or something for their perceived woes. Pardoning is pandering to #45’s base.”

            No, angry white *Boomers* have to blame someone or something, because shifting blame for their own actions is what they do best.

            “Ah yes, people elected Trump to pardon Sheriff Joe”

            with how reverently you keep calling him “Sheriff Joe,” I’m amazed you can take your hands off of his sack long enough to type anything here.

          • 0 avatar
            markf

            ““Ah yes, people elected Trump to pardon Sheriff Joe”

            with how reverently you keep calling him “Sheriff Joe,” I’m amazed you can take your hands off of his sack long enough to type anything here.”

            Translation: I can’t refute your argument so I will make immature sexual innuendos.

            BTW, he has been know as Sheriff Joe for 20+ years.Being from Phoenix that is how I refer to him.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @JimZ – babyboomers are definitely in the angry white male demographic that supported #45 but they aren’t the only group considering young boomers are around 55 years old.

        • 0 avatar
          Arthur Dailey

          @Todd, well as expected given enough rope you have hung yourself.

          ‘McCain an enemy of the American people.’
          ‘Wanting to bring an end to all American laws.’
          ‘False flag.’
          ‘Bringing to the US a Marxist utopia with unrestrained government power.’

          The ‘by the book’ rantings of a ‘true believer’, far right ideologue. Unfortunately true believers by their very nature are unable to view things analytically, or objectively.

  • avatar
    doug-g

    I take it Mother Nature has never seen those “Don’t Mess With Texas” bumper stickers.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    Don’t Mess With Mother Nature would be more appropriate. Mankind has always tried to control Nature but Nature usually wins.

  • avatar
    lonborghini

    Stop with the “biblical flooding” already. Like most things in the bible, Noah’s flood never happened.

    • 0 avatar
      doublechili

      Misplaced arrogance. Let’s just assume that you are correct – it would still be acceptable to use a term from “literature”. If you’re that easily offended I would suggest closing your eyes, sticking your fingers in your ears and saying “nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah” to protect your fragile sensibilities from comments that you disagree with. Censorship bad. Tolerance good.

      • 0 avatar
        lonborghini

        It’s not a term from literature. It’s and overused rather tiresome cliche and an allusion to a bible story. I’m not an admin on this site, so i have neither the ability or inclination to censor anything. I prefer to comment. Thank you.

        • 0 avatar
          doublechili

          “It’s [“biblical flood”] not a term from literature”.

          If it’s not a term from “literature”, doesn’t that mean you think the Bible is true?! And don’t move the target by complaining about it being a tired cliche. That’s exactly the point. It’s a story ingrained in our culture, like it or not, so it’s going to come up when there is a historical flood. Your issue is you don’t like it.

      • 0 avatar
        JimZ

        oh shut it with the “censorship” nonsense. nobody’s preventing you from saying what you want here. Disagreeing with you is not “censorship” and it has nothing to do with the f***ing First Amendment.

        “Freedom of speech” does not mean “freedom from being criticized for what I say,” nor does it mean “I can force you to listen to me.”

        • 0 avatar
          doublechili

          “Disagreeing with you is not “censorship” and it has nothing to do with the f***ing First Amendment.”

          You got me. Obviously I thought “lonborghini” was a state actor. Yeesh.

          I neither said nor implied anything about the First Amendment. You were the one to make that leap. I never said disagreeing with me was censorship, or that anyone was preventing anyone from saying anything here. You’re jumping to all kinds of conclusions. And trust me that I don’t need your rather misplaced lesson on free speech from the last sentence. I merely used the word “censorship” because the poster responded to the article’s author by writing “[s]top with the “biblical flooding” already”. Obviously the commenter is not acting in the capacity of a public official, but there are looser definitions of “censor” than that.

          The article’s author writes something. A commenter responds by saying “stop writing that”. Yet the commenter is in no way a “censor”?

          • 0 avatar
            JimZ

            “Yet the commenter is in no way a “censor”?”

            no, because the commenter has no authority or means to prevent the author from writing or publishing anything.

            you guys really need to learn what werds meen before you throw them around so liberally.

          • 0 avatar
            doublechili

            I think you are the one who needs to look past the first definition of “censor” and see that there are others. A commenter on a message board can absolutely be a “censor”. It does not require authority.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Chill out, lon…it’s just a term. And I’ll invoke the Almighty 100 times a day if it helps the folks down there.

      • 0 avatar
        lonborghini

        It won’t.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          It does for me, and in the end, that’s what matters.

          • 0 avatar
            lonborghini

            So FreedMike, invoking the almighty doesn’t really have anything to do with “the folks down there.” It’s all about what makes you feel better that matters?

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            What would you rather I do?

            I mean, I don’t see you wishing those poor folks well like I have. But I’ve seen you making silly comments about how biblical floods never happened. That ain’t helping them either, you know.

          • 0 avatar
            JimZ

            “What would you rather I do?”

            keep your mouth shut? “Wishing people well” or “sending them thoughts and prayers” does absolutely, 100% NOTHING. nothing at all for them. all it does is let you say “hey, let’s make this about me so I can show you I care. I did something!”

            yeah, no you didn’t.

            Like Anthony Jeselnik said:

            “My ‘thoughts and prayers.’

            You aren’t giving any of your time, your money, or even your compassion.

            All you’re doing is saying ‘Don’t forget about me today. Lots of crazy distractions in the news right now, but don’t forget about how sads I am.”

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            JimZ, I could say something pithy right now about your obvious lack of mindreading skills, but I’ll just say this: you have no idea what I do for charity, or what I’ve done to help this particular situation get better. None whatsoever.

            Seriously…chill. Why the hostility?

    • 0 avatar
      bikegoesbaa

      If I refer to something as having “Herculean strength” do you take that to mean that I believe Hercules is an actual historical person?

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      @Lonborghini – there is historical and geographical evidence of a “great flood” in the “biblical” region of the Black Sea. Cultures of the region would believe that the world was flooded… their world!

  • avatar
    87 Morgan

    What a terrible mess down there and hope everyone makes it through safe.

    From an automotive perspective only, leaving behind the emotional/financial devastation that is occurring to many.. This will have lasting effects for us all. Unlike Katrina in NOL 10 years ago which the 9th ward was flooded Houston is a far wealthier city. The insurance claims for totaled cars alone will be massive, far higher than NOL as the 9th Ward was not a wealthy area in fact probably categorized as the working poor. Houston and its suburbs would certainly not fall under that category, it exists there but not to the extent of NOL. Insurers will have to spread the ‘cost’ to the entirety of their existing book of business.

    I am certain the insurers will set up a bull pen similar to what was done on Long Island after Sandy where they parked totaled cars at the unused airport. I don’t recall if their were a lot of instances of Sandy cars making their way back to the market or not, someone from the Northeast may have a better perspective on that.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    Gasoline prices (due to offline refinery capacity in Texas and Louisiana) are going to take a rocket ride over the course of the next month.

    In related news, pickup and large SUV drivers will be b*tching and moaning in ways not heard since 2003.

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    My thoughts are definitely with the folks down there…

  • avatar
    mikey

    Right. I may need to budget a few extra bucks, for gas..Meanwhile some other poor soul needs to load his family, and everything he can salvage in a 14 ft boat.

    I’ll live with it.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Yep. Puts a lot of things in perspective.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      Some of us are just remarking on the fact that refinery utilization and capacity is heavily concentrated in Texas & Louisiana, which took heavy impact from Harvey.

      Remarking so isn’t mutually exclusive with having deep empathy for the millions adversely impacted by this storm, and even donating money or other things of value (maybe even getting personally involved in order to help those affected).

  • avatar
    mikey

    DW …I hear ya..I’m 2000 miles away an live in a whole different country…However, Visa allows me to transfer $ to the USA. Donation is on its way.

    I have a “E friend ” somewhere in the Houston area ? I have have never met the lady..She was, however very supportive of me, when I needed someone the most…If I can help her, and her very sick husband out, I will be on the next plane.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      Texas is Trump country.

      Hopefully, one of the good things to come of this – not because of “I’d rather be golfing Trump” but despite him – will be that when people who very vociferously voted for Trump and maintained the divisive hatred post-election, even in arrogant ways, will realize that not even such past imbecilism can stave off charity, generosity and kindness from complete strangers (many of whom Trump supporters probably hate based on their skin tone, religious beliefs, etc.).

      • 0 avatar
        mikey

        DW…Well said.

      • 0 avatar
        Hummer

        Yes the “Cajun Navy” is there picking and choosing who they save. You are delirious, blind hatred has never been a more fitting term.

        Oh looky, I found a most fitting example of your craziness…

        https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2017/08/27/hillary-staffer-triggered-by-rescue-boat-in-houston-with-confederate-flag/

        • 0 avatar
          Hummer

          I’d also like to point out Obama was literally golfing during a major flood, I’m sure you saw the amazing Memes that came out of that one. If not perhaps the Texas fires Obama refused to give Federal help to fight for 3 months, only to laugh about them weeks later. Trump made early preparations and has given both states complete federal support. Of course a certain mayor of a certain party decided to play politics and tell the people he knew better than the Meteorologists. Same mayor who says he can tell you what the planets weather will be like in 100 years.

          Great stuff, I love the masses of irony.

          • 0 avatar
            JimZ

            “I’d also like to point out Obama was literally golfing during a major flood, ”

            I’m sure that conveniently pushed W’s lack of response to Katrina out of your mind.

            And can you f***ing drop it about Hillary? She’s NOBODY anymore. She LOST.

            Christ, I’ve never seen such sore g*ddamn winners in my life.

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            Jim,
            the article I happened to pick, out of the hundreds on the internet mentioned her. I actually didn’t even see that til I went searching to post about the original tweet mentioned in the article. But she really wasn’t no one even before the election, but great to know you realize how awful she was. ;)
            I’m not giving old W the rino a pass, though if I remember correctly the mayor of NOLA pulled the same move as the mayor in Houston recently, which is more than a little interesting.

            Mike,
            If your intimidated by a flag that was never flown intended as a symbol of hate, then I believe your issue with d*cks, as it were are personal

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            LOL…I’m “intimidated.”

            That must explain why I’m calling ’em out on it…

            Keep ’em comin’, Hummer.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          So…if you’re a big enough bag of d*cks to fly the flag in the first place, does selfless public service make your bag of d*cks smaller?

          Or do the d*cks in the bag shrink?

          Just curious.

      • 0 avatar
        markf

        “(many of whom Trump supporters probably hate based on their skin tone, religious beliefs, etc.).”

        ahh the old Trump supporters are all racists narrative. Like all the Romney supporters and McCain and Bush and Bush, etc. etc all the way back to Goldwater.

        It’s tiresome, shows your ignorance (and probably latent racism, projecting on others) Give it a rest, you sound like a broken record

        • 0 avatar
          DeadWeight

          Not all, or even a majority…

          A very vocal, hideous part of Trumpito’s base was/is disgustingly racist, though, and that’s clear to any objective observer of society…

          …just as there was a clueless, insular, elitist (mainly coastal) portion of Hillary’s base that had no idea “regular” people in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan etc were so frustrated, and the why’s for the frustration, which Trump’s timing and rhetoric seized upon (a vote for Trump was a “f*ck it, what do I have to lose – which remains to be fully seen now – vote, in reality).

          • 0 avatar
            markf

            “that’s clear to any objective observer of society” Translation: I have no evidence to back this up

            So the racists, who elected Obama twice, waited it out and voted for the New York Liberal with a Jewish Daughter and Jewish Son-in-Law. Ahhhh, it all makes sense now.

            I long for 2012 when Romney was the Nazi and Trump wasn’t

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            Did you miss the tiki torch, knit collared shirt and khakis “Jews will not replace us!” hate march in Charlottesville ?

            You are really tuned out.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Yeah, seriously…look at what I was saying above about Trump’s timing on the pardon. Now, was that somehow unreasonable, or hateful? Nope. Just a concern about his priorities, that’s all. Hell, I even said above I’d give Trump the benefit of the doubt on how he handles this hurricane.

            Can’t even have an intelligent, reasonable criticism of Trump with this guy. Not worth it. Where’s the ignore button, TTAC?

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            Jason Kessler is one of yours. The racists are paid actors choreographed by an Obama supporter.

          • 0 avatar
            JohnTaurus

            “Can’t even have an intelligent, reasonable criticism of Trump with this guy.”

            =

            “I can’t even bitch and moan about Trump without someone pointing out how ridiculous it is to bring up a pardon that was in the making long before Harvey had a name, or how utterly idiotic it is to insinuate what a racist every single Trump supporter must be. Sheesh.”

            Mike & dw, I don’t like Trump, far from it, but wrong is wrong and you guys are wrong for all this crap you brought into it.

            Oh, a natural disaster? And there’s a Republican in the White House?! Fair game, everyone! Everything he does is WRONG AND ANYBODY CAN SEE IT AND IF YOU DONT, YOU MUST HAVE DRIVEN A REBUILT WRECK THAT CONFUSED YOU.

          • 0 avatar
            markf

            “Can’t even have an intelligent, reasonable criticism of Trump with this guy. Not worth it. Where’s the ignore button, TTAC?”

            Translation: He refutes my unreasonable points with logic and points out the flaws in my arguments so I must ignore him.

      • 0 avatar
        JohnTaurus

        Did you really just make fun of a president who isn’t Obama about golf? Really reaching, or its okay if you have a (d) by your name, but it should be a capital crime if it says (r) instead?

        Fail.

        • 0 avatar
          Arthur Dailey

          Ike probably spent more time playing golf than in the Oval Office. They even named a tree after him at Augusta National. And he did OK.

          The issue is that during his campaign Trump kept harping on Obama taking holidays and going golfing and in his first 6 months in office, Trump spent proportionally more time taking holidays and playing golf than any President in the past 50+ years.

        • 0 avatar
          markf

          “Did you miss the tiki torch, knit collared shirt and khakis “Jews will not replace us!” hate march in Charlottesville ?

          You are really tuned out.”

          Yes, 150 morons who have every right to protest and spew their moronic believes is a threat to who and what exactly? We onlyknow David Duke is alive because every 4 years the press drags him out for every candidate with an R after his name to “denounce”

          Of course the KKK was the 19th century armed wing of the Democrat party, much like the “antifa” is the armed wing of the Democrat party today. Both cover their faces, both use violence and intimidation and both were inventions of the Democrats……

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            If you believe that the AntiFa were created by the Democratic Party then you really have no understanding of what either stand for.

            Or the total inability of the Democratic Party to organize anything over the past couple of years.

            And JT is correct, the pardon was obviously planned long before the Hurricane was detected.

  • avatar
    George B

    There will be a disruption in US gasoline production due to refineries being shut down for Hurricane Harvey and related flooding. It takes time to inspect and safely start up a refinery.

    The total population of people with cars affected by the flooding is enormous. Lots of cars will need to be replaced and lots of flood damaged vehicles will enter the salvage industry. Older vehicles carrying only liability insurance will get sold without much tracking of flood damage. In addition, beware of any car from Texas with a mechanics lien. The paperwork will say that a shop got title to the car for non-payment of repairs. The process is abused to put salvage vehicles back on the road without a salvage title.

  • avatar
    markf

    “And can you f***ing drop it about Hillary? She’s NOBODY anymore. She LOST.

    Christ, I’ve never seen such sore g*ddamn winners in my life.”

    Unlike the sore losers on the Left who have been rioting since Nov. And the sore losers on this page who turn nearly every article into a discussion on the evils ofTrump and his supporters…

    • 0 avatar
      lonborghini

      Well Mark, Hillary was First Lady of the United States, a US Senator representing New York State, our 67th US Secretary of State and her party’s nominee for President of the United States of America. I think she deserves a statue. Don’t you?

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        I don’t. Clinton was a lousy, incompetent candidate and my party was dumb for nominating her.

        • 0 avatar
          lonborghini

          She wasn’t such a bad candidate. It took Russians and the KKK to narrowly beat her. Let’s replace all statues of confederate losers with statues of Hillary.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            She beat herself by taking several key swing states for granted.

            UNBELIEVABLY stupid. And now we’re all paying the price.

          • 0 avatar
            bikegoesbaa

            It was probably also not a great idea to publicly dismiss ~25% of the electorate as deplorables.

            Expressing open contempt for the voters is not a popular political strategy. This is because it doesn’t work.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            “Expressing open contempt for the voters is not a popular political strategy. This is because it doesn’t work.”

            Actually, it IS a great political strategy…for Republicans. They’ve been trashing liberals for decades now. It worked.

            Of course, it got them the preening bozo who’s in office now, but you can’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, I guess…

          • 0 avatar
            bikegoesbaa

            “Actually, it IS a great political strategy…for Republicans. They’ve been trashing liberals for decades now. It worked.”

            The only one I can remember saying explicitly and en masse “I don’t care about a big chunk of the electorate and have given up on winning their votes” is Mitt Romney, and he was also unsuccessful.

            If there are other examples of this being done successfully at the national level in modern history please tell me what they are.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Are you kidding, bikegoesbaa? “Liberals suck” has been the baseline political argument for the GOP since God knows when.

            Democrats have identity politics, Republicans have abject hatred of anyone who’s to their left. It’s not a pretty picture, is it?

          • 0 avatar
            bikegoesbaa

            No, I am absolutely not kidding.

            I’m not aware of any modern presidential candidates besides Hilary Clinton and Mitt Romney who said on camera “a sizable fraction of the electorate is irredeemable and not relevant to me”. Both of these candidates lost.

            There have certainly been other candidates from both parties who implied similar things in a roundabout way or using very coded language; but it appears that the people who have openly dismissed *voters* as opposed to some more nebulous rival group are 0 for 2.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            Obviously I am not a Trump fan. However a disaster like this plays to his strengths. Politicians need to build coalitions, follow procedure and plan long term.

            Emergencies call for quick decisions and throwing out the rule book.

            So the current POTUS could come away looking like a hero and certainly could not do any worse than George W. when responding to a disaster like this.

            As for H.R.C. she was a terrible candidate. Tainted by her husband’s immoral actions, her decades of proximity to power, and what appeared to be her belief that she ‘deserved’ both the nomination and the role.

            What is exasperating that from over 300 million people, the most powerful nation on earth was able to choose from 2 totally non-deserving candidates. Surely the talent base in the USA is not that barren? Or are the truly good candidates, no longer anxious to ‘wade into the swampland’ of national politics?

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            Hillary was the poster girl of everything wrong with the USA political system. She lost to the angry white male demographic. They were mad at liberals, foreigners, globalists, immigrants and/or anyone that was a convenient scapegoat for their problems.
            Putin’s Covfefe candidate was/is their perceived Moses. The one to lead them out of the desert. The problem is that if you are to lead, you need a direction of travel.

  • avatar
    lonborghini

    So FreedMike, invoking the almighty doesn’t really have anything to do with “the folks down there.” It’s all about what makes you feel better that matters?

  • avatar
    bikegoesbaa

    The lesson I take away from Harvey (and Katrina, et al) is that when things like this happen you can’t depend on “the authorities” to take care of you, keep you safe, or get you out.

    They can help with cleanup and longer-term services, but the smart money is to plan as though you’ll be completely on your own for the first 72 hours or so.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Good advice indeed.

      • 0 avatar
        ToddAtlasF1

        Now you think self-reliance is a virtue? Thanks for the laugh, leftist!

        • 0 avatar
          Arthur Dailey

          @Todd: and who are the people of Texas turning to but the government to provide aid and assistance?

          There are a great many things that work better collectively. That is why insurance exists.

          And many services that the government provides better than private enterprise. Such as highways, military, policing, firefighting, air traffic control, waste water/sewage disposal, drinking water, public transit, occupational health and safety, urban planning, daycare, education and universal medical care.

          There are some activities that create a social benefit or that should not be tied to a profit motive.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          Any expert in emergency preparedness states that one should be able to survive on one’s own for at least 72 hours. Self reliance will only get you so far, you then will need to work together as a group to survive in the long term. No individual can rebuild from such a disaster on their own.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          Seriously, TTAC…ignore button.

          Can’t come soon enough. Then idiots like Todd can go talk to himself or whoever can put up with him.

  • avatar
    TomHend

    If you donate money avoid the Red Cross, that organization is dysfunctional.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      House Charity Navigator to discern how mincing monies donated to any given charity actually make it to the real humans in need that such charity was ostensibly designed to assist, rather than frittered away inefficiently on bloated administrative expenses, excessive spending on things nit helpful to the core mission, and even, used to pay positively ridiculous salaries to staffers and executives of such charities.

      https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=studies.ceo

      Some real gems:

      Harry Johns, President and CEO

      Nonprofit: Alzheimer’s Association

      Compensation: $2,731,016

      % of Expenses: 1.1%

      2012 Revenue: $268.9 million

      2012 Expenses: $248.1 million

      The American voluntary health organization was founded in 1980 and focuses on care, support and research for Alzheimer’s disease.

      John S. Ruskay, Executive Vice President and CEO

      Nonprofit: United Jewish Appeal – Federation of Jewish Philanthropies of New York, Inc.

      Compensation: $3,151,000

      % of Expenses: 1.5%

      2011 Revenue: $212.9 million

      2011 Expenses: $212.8 million

      The New York City based organization has more than 55,000 donors who help people in need, inspire a passion for Jewish life and strengthen Jewish communities around the world.

      John L. Miller, President and CEO

      Nonprofit: Goodwill Industries of Southeastern Wisconsin

      Compensation: $3,206,088

      % of Expenses: 3.4%

      2012 Revenue: $105.8 million

      2012 Expenses: $95.5 million

      This nonprofit organization provides training, employment and supportive services for people with disabilities or disadvantages.

      Scummy people. If you want to do charitable work, don’t gorge on ridiculous pay, or just go into the for-profit sector FFS.

      By the way, Susan G. Komen, Red Cross, United Way, National Public Radio And many, many other charities have very low efficiency ratings and grossly excessive executive compensation.

  • avatar
    krhodes1

    Well this posting sure brought the political idiots out in full force. Best and Brightest my @ss.

    • 0 avatar
      TomHend

      Thanks for your input, Dead Weight and I are sure you are a huge success in life.

      The Red Cross will squander money from people on the left or right, they don’t care.

      https://www.propublica.org/article/how-the-red-cross-raised-half-a-billion-dollars-for-haiti-and-built-6-homes

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        Haiti was a black bag op IMO, but the Red Cross criticism regarding Katrina and 9/11 I think confirm your hypothesis.

        http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9518677/ns/us_news-katrina_the_long_road_back/t/despite-huge-katrina-relief-red-cross-criticized/

        http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/15/nyregion/nation-challenged-red-cross-red-cross-pledges-entire-terror-fund-sept-11-victims.html?mcubz=0

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