By on January 27, 2017

The enduring popularity of the Chevrolet Equinox has led General Motors to some creative manufacturing approaches to keep up with demand. In addition to the crossoverÕs assembly home in Ingersoll, Ontario, GM runs a shuttle system that takes Equinox bodies to Oshawa, Ont., for painting and final production, Image: General Motors Canada

Workers at General Motors’ CAMI Assembly plant in Ingersoll, Ontario, are reeling after the automaker announced the loss of more than 600 jobs.

The unexpected move comes after the facility recently gave up production of the next-generation GMC Terrain to focus solely on the Chevrolet Equinox. The 2018 Terrain’s new home? Mexico.

As expected, the autoworkers’ union is livid, having been told nothing about job losses during the changeover.

The CAMI plant began production of the redesigned 2018 Equinox on January 9. Two years ago, the automaker invested $560 million (CAD) to upgrade the plant in preparation for the new Equinox. While losing a model would worry employees at any plant, the move allowed CAMI to build the full complement of Equinoxes, rather than send some of them to GM’s Oshawa assembly plant for finishing.

Union officials were told, even quite recently, the Equinox’s popularity would protect CAMI’s roughly 3,000 workers.

“I’m shocked, it’s an absolute embarrassment on behalf of GM as far as I’m concerned,” Mike Van Boekel, chairperson of Unifor Local 88, told London’s AM980.

Van Boekel claims GM lied to him and workers at CAMI.

“One hundred percent,” he said. “Lying their heads off. We could use some of Trump’s politics up here right now.”

GM Canada Corporate and Internal Communications manager Jennifer Wright confirmed to TTAC 625 workers in Ingersoll will be laid off in July once the plant stops production of the 2017 model year Equinox. The automaker asserts that the death of the previous-generation Equinox, and not the Terrain’s move to Mexico, is behind the layoffs.

That explanation isn’t likely to placate union leadership.

“It’s absolutely embarrassing how you can take the most efficient plant in North America, we’ve been working six days a week for eight years and done everything we can that they’ve asked us to,” said Van Boekel. “They’ve hired about 600 people in the last year and now they’re going to turn around and tell these people you’re laying them off, I’ve got major problems with that.”

Unifor president Jerry Dias told CTV News the job losses are the result of the “negative impact” of moving the Terrain to Mexico. Dias blamed the situation on the North American Free Trade Agreement, an agreement he has repeatedly denounced. The union boss says he’s all for U.S. President Donald Trump’s plan to renegotiate NAFTA.

Workers at the CAMI plant were not part of last fall’s Detroit Three contract negotiations. While represented by the same union, the Ingersoll employees are covered by a different collective agreement. Labor bargaining for CAMI workers begins later this year.

The shuttle program ferrying unfinished Equinoxes to Oshawa won’t see any layoffs, Wright said, as the service will switch to bringing in GM pickups from the U.S. for final assembly. That plan came about during bargaining talks last year.

[Image: General Motors Canada]

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209 Comments on “Union Head Calls for Trump’s Politics in Wake of Canadian GM Plant Layoffs...”


  • avatar
    Rochester

    For the love of god, please stop writing automotive news articles that mention this psychopathic man-child. Can’t you just talk about cars without ruining people’s day? C’mon, TTAC. Enough already.

  • avatar
    highdesertcat

    It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the future brings more auto plant closings in Canada to bring those jobs back to America. It’s happening in Mexico already.

    By that I mean, the pressure is on, and automaker CEOs want to play ball for Trump.

    • 0 avatar
      tinbad

      Those jobs aren’t coming back. The plants may, but they will need less and less people to operate so the net effect is jobs will be going away in the next decades whether you like it or not.

      It’s exactly why today the US manufactures more than ever in its history but does so with fewer jobs. Most manufacturing jobs have slowly transitioned to jobs in health care, construction or retail.

      Instead of desperately trying to hold on to the past, politicians need to create an environment where workers are (re)trained for new markets/economies.

      • 0 avatar
        NormSV650

        They could easily be temporaries that were laid off.

        • 0 avatar
          highdesertcat

          Yeah, I think temps are the way to go. And over the past 16 years that is exactly what we saw as full-time job opportunities fell.

          If you have time, find Robert Half’s book “On Hiring” to get a gander at what employers look for in FTEE (Full Time Employee Equivalent) vacancies.

          Finding qualified temps is a real b!tch.

      • 0 avatar
        highdesertcat

        I agree. Much of the future work is done by Robotics. But someone has to program and maintain those robots.

        IMO, that’s where the future is. But like Dr Jonathan Gruber stated, Americans are too stupid, so we may have to continue to import qualified workers under H1B and the like to fell these high-tech jobs.

        (I don’t believe many employers are going to invest the time and money to train high-tech workers. Workers have to show up ready and trained for work.)

        • 0 avatar
          Lorenzo

          Americans aren’t too stupid, there are plenty of already trained American high-tech workers. They just want a decent wage, while H1B workers can be paid less and threatened with deportation if they complain. Check out what Disney did to their high-tech workers.

          That’s why there are virtually no American workers in American farms. Farmers prefer undocumented workers from Mexico they can underpay and hold their status against them.

      • 0 avatar
        John-95_Taurus_3.0_AX4N

        Right, we should train everyone to work for Solyndra. That’ll fix everything! Look how great European countries are doing after switching to a “green” economy. Call Greece and ask em how that worked out.

        • 0 avatar
          highdesertcat

          Just ask Germany, or Holland.

          Some of those older solar panels on top of people’s roofs are beginning to become less reactive and the replacement costs make them not economically feasible to replace.

          Fact is, some solar panels are becoming less reactive many years before their anticipated MTBF replacement date.

          But who knew?

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            Newsflash: there are more Americans working in the solar sector than oil, coal and gas combined. Maybe instead of bringing back coal jobs we should concentrate on the new economy?

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            Are you counting the telemarketers against the people whose jobs Obama destroyed on purpose? How do you live with yourself?

        • 0 avatar
          Arthur Dailey

          John, Try to keep your differentiation between various nations straight. Greece never switched to a green economy. Many European nations are doing better comparatively economically than the USA.

          And some of them have a firm commitment to greening their economy.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @tinbad – that is true and explains why the “angry white guy” who voted for T-rump believes that things were better in the past. There was a time when Grade 12 or less got you a great job. Now you need a trade or degree. Unskilled labour cannot compete with robots and machinery.

        • 0 avatar
          psarhjinian

          One of the things that neoliberalism completely botched was building the social safety net necessary to deal with the dearth of opportunity.

          Or, and this is my fear, that there’s politicians and business leaders who actually want a few million disenfranchised angry people around because they figure they can yoke them and ride proto-fascist populism into power.

          Dammit, if Chris Hedges wasn’t right on the money.

        • 0 avatar
          GeneralMalaise

          I didn’t vote for Trump because I thought he was an avatar of conservative values; I voted for f***ing revenge.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            Exactly,
            For 8 years, downtrodden white men left behind by the new economy were ruled by a black man who was smarter than they were, in better shape, was better looking, richer and oh, so much more successful. And they seethed with rage.

            And now they have their revenge. Trump is the champion of every loser who found it easier to buy a Chinese made MAGA hat than to get a job. The champion of every couch lizard who would rather play xbox all day in mom’s basement than grow up. The champion of every sad little urchin who dreams of being enough of a celebrity that women won’t constantly turn him down, and he can grab whatever pu$$y he pleases.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            This is one of the funniest things I have seen in a long time, thanks man I really needed a hard laugh today.

          • 0 avatar
            tresmonos

            So you’re telling me you voted for Pepe the Frog?

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Shhh… Lord Kek is watching.

          • 0 avatar
            GeneralMalaise

            You have hereby been gaslit, Vogo. Enjoy the crazy!

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @GeneralMalaise – Interesting. The political equivalent of MAD.

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            Does Vogo know he’s championing a community organizer married to a man against a billionaire hotelier married to a supermodel? I hope he doesn’t hurt anyone that matters.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            Malaise: Norway. Germany which is propping up much of eastern and southern Europe. Iceland turned its economy around in a few years. Ireland is doing the same. Sweden and Finland are doing well.

            Again the major concern with President Trump is that he has so many supporters who are blind to actual facts and seem to be acting purely out of spite rather than engaging in productive dialogue.

            One example of the current administration ignoring facts is that none of the 9-11 hijackers came from any of the now barred nations.

          • 0 avatar
            GeneralMalaise

            Link, Arthur. Your simple assertions remain just that.

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    “The union boss says he’s all for U.S. President Donald Trump’s plan to renegotiate NAFTA.”

    Now, I’m very left-of-centre, and generally I do support what unions do, but Mr. Diaz is either a) blustering, or b) genuinely unaware of what the “NA” in “NAFTA” means and how a renegotiation would probably go.

    I’m going to suspect he’s more a), but attempting to play on b) amongst the membership would go. Unfortunately, what will happen is something like what the UK is seeing with Brexit: that they have exactly zero clout when it comes to negotiating trade agreements with bigger nations.

    Good luck re-doing NAFTA with an administration that would, at best, consider Canada as an afterthought.

    • 0 avatar
      Sceptic

      The largest economy in the world will be in quite a good position at trade talks with any nation. Wouldn’t you think so?

      • 0 avatar
        VoGo

        It doesn’t work that way. Other nations will avoid the US like the plague, because it is viewed as an unstable and unreliable partner. TPP will continue – without us. China will walk into all these other countries and make deals, and the US will be left on the sidelines to stagnate.

        • 0 avatar
          TwoBelugas

          It’s about time other countries hand over their latest intellectual properties to Beijing and experience trade deficit first hand.

          • 0 avatar
            runs_on_h8raide

            TwoBelugas you are correct. Irrefutable evidence and history support your statement, unlike some of the naive banter we see from those that foam at the mouth. Some do not simply live in the real world. Kudos to you, TwoBelugas for using your brain and logic. I’m sure you laugh as much as I do at the unhinged here, and everywhere else.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “Irrefutable evidence and history support your statement”

            Actually… NO.

            You can cite some references.

        • 0 avatar
          GeneralMalaise

          Jack of all trades, master of none.

        • 0 avatar
          ToddAtlasF1

          “It doesn’t work that way. Other nations will avoid the US like the plague, because it is viewed as an unstable and unreliable partner. TPP will continue – without us. China will walk into all these other countries and make deals, and the US will be left on the sidelines to stagnate.”

          That’s why the stock-market crashed when Trump was elected over the would-be influence peddler who was ready to sell out the country for international favor. You’re comic relief.

      • 0 avatar
        psarhjinian

        “The largest economy in the world will be in quite a good position at trade talks with any nation. Wouldn’t you think so?”

        That’s my point: renegotiating NAFTA means renegotiating with **the United States** as well as Mexico. Mr. Diaz is either forgetting or ignoring that point.

        I personally suspect he’s ignoring it, or can’t hear it over the sound of the (and yes, I’m aware of the irony) dog whistle.

        Canada has enough trouble dealing with the US with an agreement in place; doing so without one? It’ll make the softwood lumber dispute look like a playground scuffle.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        Sceptic – unfortunately the focus of the combover in chief is trade deficits. He doesn’t see the big picture. China has been panned for currency manipulation. They have to move money to the USA to keep currency rates balanced. If they held onto the money made through trade, the value of their currency would rise too high making their products to expensive to buy. China invests heavily in the USA. China owns 1.3 trillion of US debt. Many countries have trade deficits with the US and offset those deficits through the shifting of capital. Shifting capital to the USA makes the USA more stable and increases USA’s power.

    • 0 avatar
      quasimondo

      I’m pretty sure bringing jobs to Canada is not part of the MAGA equation.

  • avatar
    tresmonos

    TTAC Deathwatch averted by spewing about politics. When you can’t do a good job at cars, just repost political tripe.

    • 0 avatar
      tresmonos

      CallMeDick, I haven’t seen your dumb ass around until TTAC went down the politicking path.

      I’d ask you to do me a favor and go away but you’re a miserable parasite that feeds on attention.

    • 0 avatar

      This isn’t “spewing about politics.” It’s noteworthy that a union member is looking at the new Trump administration in a favorable way. Same goes for Dias, if not more so.

      Change is coming. We’ll be covering how politics affect the automotive industry, and that includes how unions view Trump’s policies as it pertains to manufacturing, trade, etc.

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        Frankly, I’m just surprised that a Canadian union dude seems to think that Ontario is an American state. Not exactly scoring points for genius there…

        Newsflash, Mr. Unifor Dude: I know that we joke about Canada being the 51st state, but it actually is a different country. If Congress allows the White House to run roughshod over NAFTA, then it can do the very same thing with the US-Canada auto pact.

        “Change is coming.”

        If the Republicans in Congress actually grow a pair and build alliances with free trade Democrats, then it won’t.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          The hope that Canada would benefit from a Trump like figure is terrifying to say the least. We have our own angry uneducated white male demographic. They blame imports/foreigners immigrants for their problems. They blame everyone but themselves. Gone are the days of high wage jobs with Grade 12 or less. Get off your ass and get a trade.
          I recall as a kid the construction of a huge saw mill in a small town NorthWest of my town. My dad had a contract there for his dump trucks. The local population blamed the influx of East Indians for the loss of jobs. The reality was this: the new saw mill was double the size of the one it replaced with 5 times the output but ran 1/4 the staff.
          It is hard to hate a robot. Easy to hate a person.

          • 0 avatar
            don1967

            “We have our own angry uneducated white male demographic.”

            Please, go on. Telling people how stupid and racist they are worked so well for the Democrats in 2016 that I can’t wait to see how it plays in Canada.

            The biggest complaints we hear in Canada about immigration have little to do with immigrants. It’s more about fellow Canadians who force political correctness on everyone, throwing their own culture under the bus while demonizing anyone who tries to defend it. (Go ahead and criticize the “holiday tree” in your kid’s classroom, I dare you.)

            Wanna avoid a Trump North? Stop the insulting elitist crap and start listening to your neighbours when they’re trying to tell you something.

          • 0 avatar
            GeneralMalaise

            Lou epitomizes the arrogance of so many mincing lefties.

            I quite literally don’t care what Donald Trump does because nothing he can do is worse than what they on the left have already done.

            Donald Trump isn’t the bully; he only insults and abuses people in power who have attacked him. They’re the f***ing bullies. The left, with their smears, their witch hunts, their slanders, their insults, their riots, their violence, and their weaponizing of the federal bureaucracy.

            There aren’t any rules anymore because the left only applies them one way. And in doing so, they’ve left what once was a civil compact between the two parties in smoldering ruins.

            I have no personal investment in Donald Trump. He is a tool to punish the left and roll back their ill-gotten gains, no more and no less. If he succeeds even partially in those two things, then I’ll consider his election a big win.

            Further, I no longer have any investment in any particular political values, save one: The rules created by the left will be applied to the left as equally and punitively as they have applied them to the right. And when they beg for mercy, I’ll begin to reconsider. Or maybe not. Because f**k these people.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @don1967 – I was a product of that uneducated white demographic. My dad busted his azz to make sure my brother and I were not trapped by it.
            Forced political correctness? My son’s went to a Christian private school along side some Muslims, Sikh’s, Christians, First Nations, and atheists. No one felt stifled.
            “Throwing their own culture under the bus” …..I am pretty secure in my culture. My son sang in an opera called ” Colas et Collinette”. I’d say that rates high as far as Canadian heritage and culture goes.

            I do listen to everyone, that is why I’m good at my job.

            Arrogance… my apologies for sounding that way.

            “Uneducated white male” is a demographic. Canada could make the same mistakes as the USA. Pretty boy Trudeau could easily ignore that group. I hope he doesn’t since that demographic is the foundation of a country.

            Ironic. Political correctness is saying something to protect the feelings of others. I’m blunt and get called arrogant but the right says much worse and then whine about snowflakes , pussyhats, beta males ad nauseum.

            You can’t have it both ways. Angry white males need to realize that inclusivity and equality is not a net sum game. I don’t feel like I’ve lost status or position by recognizing women, LGBT, Muslims, Hindu, Sikh, First Nations, blacks, browns, or yellows as equal.

          • 0 avatar
            GeneralMalaise

            “Angry white males need to realize that inclusivity and equality is not a net sum game. I don’t feel like I’ve lost status or position by recognizing women, LGBT, Muslims, Hindu, Sikh, First Nations, blacks, browns, or yellows as equal.”

            Good for you. Who says that people who are fed up with the type of nonsense that has been going on for several years now don’t recognize every one of those people as just people? You split them off, like they were different tribes. They are people, equal in every way, at least in my country. And they are treated as such by the majority of the people you have continually tried to “otherize”.

            Here’s how you get more Trump…

            https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/255767/

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “Who says that people who are fed up with the type of nonsense that has been going on for several years now don’t recognize every one of those people as just people? You split them off, like they were different tribes. They are people, equal in every way, at least in my country. And they are treated as such by the majority of the people you have continually tried to “otherize”.”

            I’m saying that the research done so far indicates that a large number of those angry white guys are blaming the groups I’ve listed. They also blame the establishment. Unfortunately they cannot see that a billionaire like Trump is part of that establishment.
            I’m not splitting anyone off. My best friend falls squarely into the “uneducated white guy” category. He just happens to be bright enough to know that it isn’t anyone else’s fault that he is trapped in a nowhere job.
            Ironically I keep hearing the right wing types saying that no one owes workers a job or job security or benefits or anything else.

            I point out that free market practices leave workers vulnerable and get hammered as a socialist.

            I point out that those angry white guys have no one to blame but themselves and I’m labeled and arrogant leftist elitist.

            I’m consistent in my beliefs but you guys are all over the map.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @don1967 – I was reading some news and stumbled across an interesting piece that will trouble you:

            By 2036:
            30% of the Canadian population will be immigrants i.e. not born in Canada.
            20% of those born in Canada will have at least 1 parent who is an immigrant.
            67% of the population will identify as being Christian but that is due to 23% of the population “loosing faith”.
            8% of the population will be Muslim.

            The irony of all those numbers is that most immigrants tend to be conservative and prefer to vote along those lines. The future of the right lies in appealing to those people.

          • 0 avatar
            dash riprock

            I first read this…..

            “We have our own angry uneducated white male demographic.”

            and thought that you were a being a little condescending to others who have a different view.

            But I then read this….

            My best friend falls squarely into the “uneducated white guy” category.

            and thought to myself no this, this is a person with no prejudices in thoughts or actions.

      • 0 avatar
        tresmonos

        Yeah but you’re attracting horrible commentariat that makes me hate reading the comment section. Which is the majority of the reason why I participate.

        Like this CallMeDick feller. He’s got some issues.

        Edit: case in point, try to read the 20% tariff article’s comments and not hate humanity. There are a lot of tough guys hiding behind their commando keyboards / self masturbatory pulpits in that thread. Good god.

        • 0 avatar
          John-95_Taurus_3.0_AX4N

          Yep, we should silence anyone who you don’t agree with. That’ll fix everything.

          Dick makes points you don’t like. Get over it.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            If Dick (or mtmmo or generalmalaise or h8eraide) actually made logical points and supported them with “non-alternative” (i.e. actual) facts, then we’d be fine with it.

            But simply copy and pasting neo-Nazi propaganda is not OK.

          • 0 avatar
            tresmonos

            He was asking about someone’s SAT score and how low it is. How is that a point? He’s a troll. He spams and degrades. Get over yourself if you think this is about political opinion. Come on.

            I’d like to have someone that isn’t super butt hurt about everything point out just where I said anything about my political opinion. WTF is wrong with you people?

          • 0 avatar
            ect

            I’ve noticed that CallMeDick, General Malaise and mtmmo are all very recent arrivals to TTAC, and they never seem to offer any thoughts about cars. Their stock in trade is exclusively political ranting that includes lots of personal insults and mindless sloganeering, all of it remarkably uninterrupted by a single fact

          • 0 avatar
            nrcote

            John-95_Taurus_3.0_AX4N
            > Yep, we should silence anyone who
            > you don’t agree with.

            Exactly! For instance, each of your post makes me wish for an ‘Ignore’ button.

            Come on, TTAC, give me an ‘Ignore’ button. Upvoting/Downvoting, that’s a waste of time. But an ‘Ignore’ button, what I would give for an ‘Ignore’ button!

          • 0 avatar
            GeneralMalaise

            “and they never seem to offer any thoughts about cars.”

            I won’t speak for the other gentlemen, but I have visited – and commented on all sorts of cars – off and on for several years. I’m a Fiat fan and have made no bones about it, as I’ve slogged thru and against the usual fixitagaintony know-nothings and tried to educate them.

            And I also note you are very selective about who you characterize as going heavy on personal insults and sloganeering. That’s YOUR bias.

          • 0 avatar
            ect

            General Malaise,

            “I won’t speak for the other gentlemen, but I have visited – and commented on all sorts of cars – off and on for several years”

            Funny, but I’ve never noticed you – ever – until recently. And I’ve been on this board for several years.

            The personal insults and general vitriol, of course, reveal MUCH more about your failings than they do about any attributes of those you attack.

            From the sheer volume of your postings, it’s obvious that you’re not working, and have a LOT of time on your hands.

            You seem to be a bitter old man, with many disappointments to be bitter about. Sad.

          • 0 avatar
            GeneralMalaise

            Yes, John, it’s as easy as that. Easy peasy!

          • 0 avatar
            GeneralMalaise

            Hey ect, I’ve never noticed you either, so what. I’m doing well and work 45 to 50 hrs a week as a project manager and technology developer. Thanks for asking.

            Just scroll on past, it’s not worth getting your underoos in a bunch. Seriously.

          • 0 avatar
            ect

            General Malaise,

            OK, you inhabit this board nearly 24/7, and are probably the most prolific poster these days, but you claim to work 45-60 hours per week. Yeah, sure.

            That said, almost all of your posts are short personal attacks that reveal much more about you (lack of) character than they do about your purported targets – which is (sadly) very typical Trumpkin behaviour. You never make any positive contribution.

            But, let’s talk about cars. You confess to being a Fiat fan, so be it. My first care was an Austin-Healey Sprite, Mk III. Great car to drive, although I’ve often said it was more a car your wore than drove (that’s a VERY GOOD THING, btw). Two of my MBA classmates (I’d finished withe the Sprite before I started business school) had Spiders – one was an Alfa-Romeo, the other a Fiat 124.

            I did get to compare notes with them. The issues with my Sprite (there were many!) were almost all electrical – I learned to curse the name”Lucas” – but the drivetrain itself seemed bulletproof. Their cars were more technically advanced, but they had at least as many issues, which included (very expensive) drivetrain items. None of these cars, it may be said, seemed well equipped to deal with Canadian winters.

            Having said that, we now live in what Vogue magazine has designated the second-coolest neighbourhood in the world, so we have but 1 car. If we were looking to add a second car, I’d be VERY attracted to the Fiat 500 Abarth.

        • 0 avatar
          ajla

          @tres:

          I’ve just been skipping over anything with “Trump” in headline for last three days and it has made reading TTAC 300 times more enjoyable.

          Broke the rule here though.

          Mark is correct that TTAC should be covering these topics but it’s obvious that the commenters can’t handle it. The same 8-12 people just lob bombs at each other for 200+ comments until the next Trump post appears and it starts all over again.

          If daily political internet fighting is what people are into then whatever, I just hope it doesn’t bleed into the normal automotive posts.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    If the CAD (that’s Loonie to the “dirt people” in rural areas as thought of by Wall Street, Washington D.C., the coasts, Toronto, etc.) drops another 30% (so approx 1 USD = 2 CAD), maybe the financial experts who now decide on production will think of creating and/or saving more Canadian jobs and facilities.

    You have to think like the Wilbur Ross’s and Steve Munchins and Gary Cohns of this world to understand the real whys/hows/wheres in this brave new world.

    • 0 avatar
      heavy handle

      Technically speaking, the CAD isn’t down. It’s the USD that’s up vs. every other currency, including CAD. The CAD has gained vs. the EUR, for instance.

      You are correct that the “strong dollar” policy benefits a few very rich people while hurting the majority of Americans. Ironically, I’m sure most of those it hurts believe that strong = good. Not always.

    • 0 avatar
      quaquaqua

      Dick, I know you enjoy living up to your name, but your “knowledge” on most issues is often embarrassing at best. Comment less, read more.

  • avatar
    dukeisduke

    Who wrote the headline? It’s confusing.

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    Bah. CAMI has been on the chopping block for years. GM management got a convenient excuse.

    Given the reputation of CAMI for quality in production, I think it is a shame. Economics be damned, they screwed them together good there.

    A competing auto company would be smart to scoop up the workforce and facility (assuming retooling/modernization isn’t so expensive that it doesn’t make sense)

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      APaGttH, I agree with what your wrote but that doesn’t bring the jobs back to the US.

      And the pressure is on the Automakers to bring the jobs back to the US, even if just a measly number of full-time jobs.

      • 0 avatar
        highdesertcat

        CallMeDick, I agree with you on “At the risk of being called unpatriotic they will deliver those jobs.”

        Even if it means robbing Peter to pay Paul, or in this case, robbing Mexico and Canada to bring back jobs to America.

        Trump seems to be serious about his “America First” pledge, regardless of what friend or foe thinks.

        In fact, to me it appears that Trump doesn’t much give a sch!t about what anyone, not a part of his team, thinks and he is sticking to his agenda which got him elected.

        I can see why the Left in America, and heads of state in Europe, the Middle East and Asia are queasy about a future with Trump as POTUS.

        Scary thing is, I may not like the way some Trumpian changes are going to affect me and mine over the next four years, and beyond.

        I’m not going to broadcast what anticipated changes scare me the most but I am very insecure about how those changes are going to affect my fantastic four kids who are all under age 50.

        All these people who think they are somehow “entitled” are going to find they will have to get it the old fashioned way: they’ll have to work for it!

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      Retooling and re-equipping plants is supremely expensive (sometimes, it’s as much or more than building a newer, more efficient, more flexible factory).

      FCA is spending 1.4 billion USD to re-tool and re-equip their factory on 15 Mile Road & Van Dyke Avenue (M-53) in Sterling Heights, Michigan (‘SHAP’), that used to produce the Chrysler 200 and Dodge Dart, to produce the new RAM Pickup Truck Line (2017 MY forward).

      Some new assembly/fabrication plants in Mexico cost half that (or even less).

  • avatar

    To those of you who think the mention of “Trump’s politics” is unwarranted in this piece: This is happening right now. We have unions, traditionally favorable to left-wing politicians, looking at Trump and seeing some commonality. Manufacturing, trade, and politics go hand-in-hand, and we will continue to report on those events as they occur.

    There’s a massive shift afoot, and TTAC isn’t going to ignore it.

    • 0 avatar
      SCE to AUX

      This is the correct call. Besides, in this piece it was the union who brought up Mr Trump.

    • 0 avatar
      don1967

      +1 Mark.

      It’s good of you to provide this explanation, but enough is enough. TTAC has atoned for its errors, and needs to stop worrying about the minority who get ‘triggered’ by the slightest political reference. The car business is inherently political, and if we keep doing this dance it’s going to be a long four years.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      @Mark:
      Is there any hard data on how many autoworkers “crossed over”?

      It wasn’t like 100% of them voted Democratic in the first place.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      It is rather miopic for anyone in Canada to look at what Trump is doing as a model to save Canadian industry. Our markets aren’t big enough to put huge tariffs on imports to shore up domestic industries.
      This is currently what is made in Canada: Chrysler 300, Dodge Challenger, Dodge Charger, Lancia Thema, Chrysler Town & Country, Ram Cargo Van, Lancia Grand Voyager, Ford Edge, Flex, Lincoln MKT, MKX, Chevrolet Equinox, Impala, Buick Regal,Cadillac XTS, Chevrolet Equinox, GMC Terrain, Honda Civic Sedan, Si, Coupe, CR-V, Lexus RX350, Lexus RX450h hybrid, Toyota Corolla, Toyota RAV4.

      There isn’t a single vehicle on that list I want to own and I’m not going to pay 20% more for an F150 to keep UNIFOR members employed.

      • 0 avatar
        pdl2dmtl

        Lou_BC a self proclaimed liberal who doesn’t side with the unions by not buying a union made truck. Sir, you are a unicorn…..

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          pdl2dmtl – I’m not siding with individuals who say stupid things.

          ““I’m shocked, it’s an absolute embarrassment on behalf of GM as far as I’m concerned,” Mike Van Boekel, chairperson of Unifor Local 88, told London’s AM980.
          Van Boekel claims GM lied to him and workers at CAMI.
          “One hundred percent,” he said. “Lying their heads off. We could use some of Trump’s politics up here right now.”

          A “T-rump like” Prime Minister in Canada putting tariffs on imports won’t work because our markets aren’t big enough for anyone to care. We already pay too much money for the vehicles we drive.

          Our biggest trading partner is the USA and the majority of vehicles we drive come from the USA.

          We going to put a 20% tariff on them when T-rump tears up NAFTA?

          In 2008 both GM and Chrysler indicated that they’d both leave Canada if not bailed out. If T-rump like politics on both sides of the border affect their bottom line, they will leave Canada. UNIFOR is powerless and that is why they are bitching.

    • 0 avatar
      Trucky McTruckface

      The problem isn’t the that the piece is off-topic; The problem is that every time you guys post something that even implies Trump, the comment section gets out of control.

      Seriously, take an objective look at the back and forth that’s gone on in the last three or four Trump articles and tell me if you think what you see is either germane or civil. And take note that it’s all coming from the same half-dozen or so commenters.

      If Bark’s whole post can get yanked, I have a really hard time understanding why this stuff isn’t getting moderated.

    • 0 avatar
      JimZ

      Mark,

      one thing- the Democratic Party is hardly “left wing.” We don’t even have any viable left wing political parties in this country. The Dems are to the left of the Republicans to be sure, but not by very much. They’re more “center-right” on an absolute scale.

      our “first past the post” elections pretty much inevitably lead to a duopoly unlike the Westminster system you’re familiar with.

  • avatar
    don1967

    As much as I like to blame unions for everything, there is a broader problem of businesses leaving Ontario due to rising taxes and over-regulation. Our provincial government these days is more concerned with eliminating gender-specific pronouns from its laws than attracting business.

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      “Our provincial government these days is more concerned with eliminating gender-specific pronouns from its laws than attracting business”

      Ontario is actually not that bad for business. The corporate tax rate is very low, the dollar is weak, there’s solid infrastructure, a large employee base, etc. Even hydro rates, the current bugaboo, are lower than much of the US.

      The issue for Ontario is that’s just—as in just in the last 12-18 months—been suffering from Alberta-induced Dutch disease.

      • 0 avatar
        don1967

        Ontario’s corporate tax rates are indeed lower than the U.S. because of the previous Conservative federal government. Not for long, however. And then there’s the health tax, HST on fuel, carbon tax, the failed Ontario Pension Plan, and other initiatives by the Ontario Liberals in recent years.

        Not since the flirtation with NDP socialism in the early 1990s has Ontario seen such a big-government, anti-business environment.

        • 0 avatar
          Arthur Dailey

          Don: the Ontario Pension Plan did not fail, it has become part of the changes to the federal plan.

          The Harris government offloaded costs to the municipalities. Those living in cities particularly Toronto are suffering because of this. Ask Toronto’s mayor.

          The Harris government also carved up Ontario Hydro, thus creating the start of the problems with our electricity costs.

          As for the health tax, universal medical care is the one thing that the vast majority of Canadians agree upon as being sacrosanct. Which is why the Harper government backed off on their promises to change it.

          • 0 avatar
            mikey

            The health tax ? You mean the tax that was dedicated to Heath care ? The same tax that got rolled into general revenue? The same tax that all the people in Ontario pay ?

            Oh. Wait….Not all the people pay . The government employees are exempt . For government employees it’s considered a health care premium. The rest of the taxpayers pay for the government workers portion

          • 0 avatar
            mikey

            Yes the Ontario. Pension plan was a failure . Except for the 70 million dollars that went to Kathy’s friends to “study” it.

          • 0 avatar
            dash riprock

            Wow. The Harris gov’t sure was bad. How long have the liberals been in power? How much longer will they need to fix all the previous governments problems?

            Harper never promised to change the universal medicine. All the Harper gov’t did was increase transfers for health care to the provinces by 6% per year. The Chretian/Martin Gov’t slashed transfers to the provinces who then did the same to municipalities. Guessing that using the Toronto Star as a reference might be affecting your views

      • 0 avatar
        dash riprock

        Yeah, was pretty sure that Ontario’s long status as a “have not” province was Alberta’s fault. Sheesh

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    This sort of thing should have Democrats worried. Unions will be asking themselves what the Democrats did to prevent such losses, and they could eventually end up voting for more Trump-like candidates.

    But TTAC is that business conditions play a bigger role in keeping jobs local, and government can choose to subsidize, tax/tariff, or regulate to help businesses.

    However, businesses will not bring jobs back so they can lose money in a competitive market.

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      “This sort of thing should have Democrats worried”

      Yes, indeed it should. If the Democrats made a mistake, it’s in basically becoming Reagan-era Republicans, but without the charisma.

      You would have thought that the issues of income stagnation and wealth disparity would have been easy meat for the political left, but then again, the US doesn’t really have a political left: it has a centre-right and an ultra-right, and they kind of took their blue-collar base for granted.

      Labour in the UK is busy actively trying to make the same mistake by disenfranchising Corbyn because, dammit, they do love those corporate donations.

  • avatar
    runs_on_h8raide

    My Canadian built Civic is solid as a rock. My Ohio built Accord, nary a squeek, rattle or noise anywhere. My neighbor’s hecho en Mejico VeeDub Jetta is a rolling pile. German engineering, you know, at least so Frau Merkel says. HA!

    I feel your pain you 600 Canadians. Time to find yourselves a Trump. Do they have them in Canada, or does the ice freeze the brains when at the hockey rink?

    • 0 avatar
      VoGo

      Rob Ford passed. But Canadians do still have Robb Wells, AKA Ricky from Trailer Park Boys.

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      We have Kevin O’Leary and Kellie Leitch, both of whom are vying for the title of der Mapleführer

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      “Do they have them in Canada, or does the ice freeze the brains when at the hockey rink?”

      I prefer to think that the cold weather keeps the loons in warmer climates.

      As I said earlier, we have our own uneducated angry white male demographic. There are plenty of pizzed off oil patch workers blaming government. Every province has its own group of uneducated unskilled workers that aren’t informed enough to know how expendable they are.

      I just hope that our left and centrist political parties don’t make the same mistake as the USA Democrats and write them off as “deplorables”.

      We don’t need a Trump. Harper was moving the country to the right. Trump lite got beat by a wealthy pretty boy dilettante.

      Mind you……. there are plenty of Trump clones lurking in the wings.

      • 0 avatar
        JimZ

        Europe has them too. Marine Le Pen, Geert Wilders, Nigel Farage, and so on.

        • 0 avatar
          highdesertcat

          JimZ, right on the money and that’s why much of Europe is in turmoil and upheaval these days.

          A great deal of tension within the populace of most Euro zone countries, much of it driven by and because of refugees, immigration and the loss of national identity within the Euro zone.

          Trump’s America is relaxed by comparison. Americans either hate Trump, or love him, or don’t care either way (me among the latter).

          And that’s just one reason we came back to the US after 6+ months living in NW Europe, to seek the relative calm of America (and Mexico).

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @highdesertcat
            Not getting that even with rise of anti immigration politicians in Europe. I think you have some very turbulent waters coming up in the US

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            RR, maybe, but I doubt it. America was built by immigrants, the vast majority LEGAL immigrants, or those made legal at the entry point, many who had to wait for years before getting permission to come to America.

            Ellis Island was such a processing point for entry into the US, where the term “Without Papers” was created, and WOP was stamped on their newly created US documents.

            It’s hard to keep track of all the illegals in America because there are no papers created that can be stamped WB (Wet Back) or WOP.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @highdesertcat
            Will not be the only issue that will create stormy seas. How illegal immigration is handled( Wall, relations with Neighbours, internal divisions), Russia and China, especially China could be very big problems.
            Legal immigration is not a problem for anyone, but when immigrants want to vent their imported grievances on others ( LA Shooting by Muslim couple, he born in US, she was not) then it becomes a concern

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            RR, the day that Trump was pronounced the winner of the election started the deluge of stormy seas and troubled waters.

            This was totally unforeseen, a mathematical impossibility except for the True Believers like Trump Himself, KellyAnne Conway, Dave Bannon and Reince Priebus.

            So EVERYTHING from that fateful day forward will be controversial (to some) and a Godsent to others. The NEW mantra of the Trump supporters is “keep your promises, keep your promises.”

            Funny that the dishonest media doesn’t broadcast those spontaneous chants by the crowds, but focuses solely on protests against Trump.

            This is the new America, at least for the next four years. Those who do not agree with it just have to suck it up and deal with it.

            How does it feel to be a loser?, they should ask themselves, just like they asked Republicans when their guy won in 2008 and 2012.

            Trump’s not going to change. He’s doing what he promised his supporters he would do.

            Wait ’til Trump puts out an Executive Order placing a tax on (or prohibiting) ALL individual remittances to Old Mexico by illegal aliens. Other Presidents did the same for different countries, like Iran, or Kuwait, or Palestine.

            Mexico will be glad to pay for that wall when that tax happens. That tax or prohibition to transfer money would crash their economy Muy Pronto!

            People have always underestimated Trump, ever since day one. He’s not my guy, but I can look at all this without a jaundiced eye.

            IMO, we ain’t seen nuttin’ yet. Wait ’til he gets into a full swing, and follows through.

            Trump’s ban was based on the list of countries provided by the previous president. Trump just acted on it because the last guy was out of office.

            NBD.

    • 0 avatar
      Maymar

      I think for your anecdote to hold any validity, we need to find out how Mexican-built Hondas hold up, and the problem might be VW instead of Mexico.

      Also, I’m a little shocked Don Cherry has never run for office.

  • avatar
    Bill Wade

    Does TTAC not have moderators? tresmonos’s comment would result in an instant ban on virtually any site.

    I too think ALL aspects affecting the automotive industry is important, including political action involving them. Rochester doesn’t seem to understand this either.

    • 0 avatar
      tresmonos

      I toned it down, there compadre. Sorry you had to read that bullsh1t.

      Edit: I toned it down on the recommendation of a moderator.

      • 0 avatar
        mtmmo

        I don’t think I agree with your comments a lot but you shouldn’t tone it down. Your comments are definitely not offensive. Thought provoking – Yes, offensive – No…unless you’re an overly sensitive beta male. That’s the truth. Everyday this site finds a new way to continue choking itself off. Soon someone will figure out the ‘moderators’ are part of the problem. Who’s the next target DW?

        • 0 avatar
          tresmonos

          The comment he read was way out of line even for me. It was a personal attack and I edited it. The one that stands is my normal crass commentary.

          As for the beta male thing I think that’s ridiculous. I disagree with being prejudiced based on someone’s demeanor / disposition.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            True alpha males don’t need to keep mentioning beta males.
            The vocal omega males are the ones that keep focusing on the pecking order.

            @tresmomos – you are well respected around here. Your input is invaluable!

          • 0 avatar
            GeneralMalaise

            “The comment he read was way out of line even for me. It was a personal attack and I edited it. The one that stands is my normal crass commentary.”

            Funny stuff!

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            You can state whatever you wish to me anytime, in any tone, in any words, Tres.

            I am a huge advocate of/for free speech, as you know, and respect you on a personal level (as you know).

          • 0 avatar
            Adam Tonge

            Deadweight-

            When are we getting a beer at Kuhnhenn Brewery?

        • 0 avatar
          VoGo

          mtmmo,
          Tell us about yourself, and why we shouldn’t consider you to be a sensitive beta male. Did you put yourself through an Ivy League school? Did you work 80 hours a week until your house was paid off? Are you capable of running a 6 minute mile? Can you bench your weight? Have you ever gotten a woman’s bra off?

          We would love to know more about you and what makes you tick.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          “No…unless you’re an overly sensitive beta male.”

          Right, because you can’t be a real man unless you act like a total a-hole.

          Seriously, TTAC…ignore button. Please.

  • avatar
    Arthur Dailey

    Those 600 jobs are going to Mexico, not the USA.

    One reason that Trump got elected is because many current and former blue collar union workers turned from the Democratic candidate and voted for Trump. As Mark wrote, this is a seismic shift. And for the President of UNIFOR an organization that was originally based on social democratic principles to endorse Trump demonstrates this shift.

    Trump will initially target the low hanging fruit. Mexico first. Then some Asian producers like Vietnam, Malaysia, etc. If he can, then he can focus on auto parts, etc coming in from China. But with the Chinese owning all that American debt it could be too hard to accomplish. Canada, the UK and other 1st world, democratic nations will probably escape most of his attention.

    Particularly since Canada has so many resources, including the oil/tar sands that America covets. No use building the pipeline if there are restrictions, limits or high tariffs on Canadian sourced crude.

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    @CallMeDick

    That was my point: that Mr. Diaz, who is the head of a Canadian union, should be very cautious about wanting to re-open NAFTA when the country his union is in has next to zero bargaining power.

    Canada’s position with respect to the US would be like what Britain is going through with the EU, only worse. Populists always seem to be surprised at how things aren’t quite as easy as they look.

    “unions evolved from criminal enterprise”

    Yes, inasmuch as the entire labour movement was criminal. So were Abolitionists. So were the American revolutionaries. People who threaten the powerful very often get called criminals.

    But yes, I know where you’re going with this.

    “People can vote and exercise their own negotiation skills:”

    So we can abolish corporate personhood, then, right? I mean, if collective personhood is soooo evil, then we should just get rid of the legal fiction that is the Corporation, right?

    While we’re at it, let’s get rid of municipalities and utilities. That way, you can negotiate with people to form your own fire brigade and militia. How about that?

  • avatar
    mtmmo

    This is the difference between having President Trump who is tough on trade, vs a beta male snow-board instructor on a dazed-and-confused tour.

    It’s not like the Canadians weren’t warned. Yes it was Trudeau who in the first debate said to the moderator, “I was led to believe that in this debate there would be no math”.

    I feel for those hard working salt of the earth Union folks but this is what happens when you elect a pink hat wearing math challenged beta male. You end up with fewer jobs and a sinking economy. Like father, like son.

    • 0 avatar
      VoGo

      Could you characterize for us what % of your day do you spend fantasizing about Trump? Like, when you’re not here trolling, do you get out of bed to do more than get more tissues and moisturizer?

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        Mtmmo is an automated beta bot built by Russian coders. Not sure why you’d be upset with a bit of programming code.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @Pch101 – The “deplorables” have found their voice under putinspotus. Truth doesn’t matter to them. Belief/ideology is all that matters. Anyone that isn’t part of that rabid tribe is less than human. Beta male, special snowflake, pink-hatted et al.

          They see equality as a loss. Women, LGTB, minorities, immigrants, and non-Christians who have been allowed to be equal are seen as entitled. That same demographic feels things were better in the past.

          Those omega males are threatened by everything. At least beta males are one rung down from Alpha.

          • 0 avatar
            skotastic

            OMG – give it a rest.

            You’ve had almost 60 years of progressive values grinding away at America driven purely by ideology.

            The Omega Man was also bad-a** and made out with a bad-a** black lady, so you may want to re-think your latest attempt at a pejorative label.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @skotastic – omega is the last letter in the Greek alphabet. I forgot about the movie “The Omega Man”. I wasn’t referencing that movie.

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      Yay, I get to fill in “beta male” on my Alt-Right Bingo Card today!

      I just need “cuck” and “trigger” for the win.

      • 0 avatar
        VoGo

        You’re ahead of me. Still waiting on: Hitlery, Pizzagate and Soros.

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          We already had a post saying Pizzagate was real in the other thread; you can check that one off.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            I’m catching up. Let me know if you see a reference to Willie Horton or Mary Jo Kopechne.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Don’t forget welfare queens or being able to use food stamp cards at ATMs at strip clubs.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            putin and the KGB are laughing their azzes off.

            Page 1 of the CIA playbook or any spooks playbook is to create severe unrest in the populace.
            CHECK

            Page 2 is make the leader unpopular
            CHECK

            Page 3 present an alternative
            Waiting
            Waiting

            Page 4 Overthrow via coup or invasion

          • 0 avatar
            GeneralMalaise

            Another circlejerk. I’m beginning to understand why the divorce rate is so high with you fellows. You’re giving it all at the office, no jam left when you get home.

        • 0 avatar

          Communist.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            Communist?

            The CIA and other security forces believe that the potus is in the pocket of the Russians. Does that make him a communist or a traitor?

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Whiskey, you wouldn’t know a communist if one came up behind you and called you “comrade.”

            That’s because communism, as envisioned by Marx, has never existed on this Earth, and unless something happens to magically eliminate scarcity, it never will.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            FreedMike – being called communist reminds me of the good ol’ days. The days when the Republicans hated Russia and women and coloured knew their place and gays were still in the closet.

            I was getting tired of being called a special snowflake anyways ;)

          • 0 avatar
            GeneralMalaise

            They’ll be charging you rent soon, WhiskeyRiver, for the space you occupy in their pointy domes.

            Keep hope and the dream alive, mikey!

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            I’m not hoping for communism anytime soon, GM. It’s not a workable economic system in the world of the year 2017. Neither is “pure” capitalism or libertarianism.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      I feel pretty sure you’ve called me a “beta male” on the internet before.

      I feel pretty sure you wouldn’t enjoy the result of calling me that to my face.

      Maybe get out of the /r/TheRedPill echo chamber, where everyone is the silverback, and into the real world.

      • 0 avatar
        psarhjinian

        One of the most amusing things about the “beta male” pejorative is that it, like “cuck”, automatically implies insecurity on the part of it’s user.

        I say this as someone who has been accused of similar behaviour, albeit with economic slurs. There’s some truth to it.

        On a side note, I’ve met Justin Trudeau, though admittedly only briefly at a local constituency office, and I’ve listened to him speak at length. There’s a number of pejoratives I could use, like “having negotiable principles” or perhaps “politically tone-deaf”, but “beta male” is certainly not on the list.

      • 0 avatar
        GeneralMalaise

        https://i.redd.it/brcc93pqjbcy.jpg

      • 0 avatar
        OldManPants

        If some dork called me a beta male I’d burst into tears and keep it up until he hated himself.

        I don’t eff around with bullies.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Ignore button, TTAC. Please.

    • 0 avatar
      Ostrich67

      You alt-Nazi jagoff.

  • avatar
    mtmmo

    The pink hat safety pin brigade continuing to exhibit Trump Derangement Syndrome. Using the same old material: “RacistSexistHomophobeXenophobeRedneckNaziDepolorable”. *YAWN*

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

    We’re witnessing Trump steal organized labor from under the Democrat’s noses. All the Democrats will have left is coastal elites suffering from white guilt, terminally “oppressed” minorities, and, if Trump has his way, a shrinking pool of government workers.
    .
    .

    • 0 avatar
      VoGo

      If I were a government worker, I wouldn’t be too worried. Government employment grew more under Ronald Reagan than any other president. Trump will tweet all day about draining the swamp while he continues the Washington build up.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Maybe, maybe not.

      Remember 2008? Who were the folks crying “let GM, Ford and Chrysler die” because, capitalism? Hint: they weren’t Democrats.

      What you’re really saying, baiter, is that autoworkers are too dumb to see where their bread is really buttered.

      • 0 avatar
        Master Baiter

        “Remember 2008? Who were the folks crying “let GM, Ford and Chrysler die” because, capitalism? Hint: they weren’t Democrats.”

        Trump isn’t following the traditional GOP platform; that’s the point.
        .
        .

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          “Trump isn’t following the traditional GOP platform; that’s the point”

          That will kill his Presidency faster than pizzing on Democrats, women and minority groups.

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            Keep telling yourself that. You’ve achieved hilariously pathetic!

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “You’ve achieved hilariously pathetic!”

            Wow.

            Now I’m qualified to run for President of the USA.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I think you’re supposed to be born here too Lou, although rules are made to be broken.

          • 0 avatar
            GeneralMalaise

            Rules? Hell, he’s broken the mold!

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “Rules? Hell, he’s broken the mold!”

            Thanks. I’ll take that as a compliment.

            I was born/raised a redneck conservative Christian that thought being gay was a perverted choice, Indians were inbred retards and most minorities were trying to ruin my life.

            Who would have thought that education would make that much of a difference?
            That and critical thinking.

          • 0 avatar
            GeneralMalaise

            Take ’em when and where you can get ’em, Lou. But remember, “unique” is not always a positive trait.

            As for your childhood, it’s good to hear you escaped the clutches of your nasty Canadian wolfpack.

  • avatar
    mtmmo

    Mommy Mommy where’s the ignore button!!? He doesn’t agree with my opinion so I. MUST. HAVE. MY. IGNORE. BUTTON. NOW!

    TTAC: Come for the car news but stay for the snowflake comedy. Jerry Seinfeld approved.

    • 0 avatar
      VoGo

      Again, it’s not that we happen to disagree with a logically worded opinion, backed by verifiable fact. It’s that you’re an a-hole. You know the difference; you just enjoy trolling. We get it.

      • 0 avatar
        mtmmo

        Just the other day you posted on Riverside Green attempting to troll Bark – that’s pretty rich. I think your feelings are hurt because: A) All the times Bark dope slapped you, B) All the times Jack dope slapped you, C) You don’t agree with my comments.

        You have zero credibility. Now run along as it’s been >10 minutes since you called someone a Nazi.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Oh, dear…someone doesn’t like the idea of being ignored.

      Kind of like…he’s here…for attention…

      • 0 avatar
        mtmmo

        Anyone who reads the chain can see you and vogo are always posting to my comments. That what you guys do. You follow. You do your snowflake whining. Here’s an idea: You want an ignore button just stop posting to my comments. Now run along as I’ve only seen you call two people Nazi’s today and your daily quota is usually three.

      • 0 avatar
        ToddAtlasF1

        What kind of narcotics are involved in coming up with a post like: “Oh, dear…someone doesn’t like the idea of being ignored.

        Kind of like…he’s here…for attention…” when you’ve just spent all of living memory appealing for a higher power to remove said individual’s assault on your safe space? Too bad the psychiatric profession has thrown in the towel.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      Oh, there is the snowflake comment.

      Even better………

      “rat”??????

      That reminds me of that scene in “Inglorious Bastards” where the Nazi drinks milk with people hiding under the floorboards.

      Dehumanize the opposition.

      • 0 avatar
        mtmmo

        Yes rat. He doesn’t know what to do with himself but nip at my heels (comments). Just like a rat. If you listen close enough you can hear Jack Nicholson in The Departed describing him to Leonardo DiCaprio.

        Go play your microaggression and victimhood fantasy with someone else. MAGA!

        • 0 avatar
          VoGo

          mtmmo,
          Go upstairs; your mom is calling. She needs you to shave her back for her big date with markf tonight.

          • 0 avatar
            Adam Tonge

            He keeps getting a rise out of you. I suggest you do what Pch101 does with Large Albert from Australia and just ignore him. You may think doesn’t add any value to the comment section, but he got you to talk about shaving his mom’s back. Think about that for a bit.

          • 0 avatar
            mtmmo

            I wish my Mom was calling me. She died two years ago this Sunday from breast cancer. She would have been 58. She was my hero.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            What’s funny is that ignoring BAFO doesn’t get him to stop being BAFO, it just saves me some time.

            I can see that he’s responding to me frequently. He has easily dedicated tens of thousands of words to me that I haven’t read, which is a bit tragic. I almost pity him.

          • 0 avatar
            GeneralMalaise

            mtmmo… Condolences to you on your mother. You have a right to share your opinion. The others have no right not to be offended. They have the free agency to scroll on past. That they choose not to do so is a character flaw.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Sorry to hear.

          • 0 avatar
            Eyeflyistheeye

            This is perhaps the ugliest thread on TTAC I’ve seen so far.

            mtmmo, I lost my mom at age 59 in 2007 to breast cancer as well. It still hurts terribly for me and I think about her and my dad who passed in 2013 everyday. All my thoughts and prayers for you this Sunday, I still tear up on their birthdays.

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          nrcote

          mtmmo
          > Who whines for an ignore button?
          > You do.

          Yes, I also want an ‘Ignore’ button. How much do I want an ‘Ignore’ button? I would be willing to pay for it, via a subscription to TTAC, for instance. You could make as many posts as you want, and I wouldn’t know about any of them. That’s a win-win in my book.

          And sorry for your mom.

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            ToddAtlasF1

            nrcote,
            Do you realize that Pch101 has more self control than you do? Don’t criticize anyone else if you’re not capable of ignoring posts by someone you don’t want to read.

            mtmmo,
            I’m very sorry about the loss of your mom. As an old guy, I think you seem wise beyond your years.

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        GeneralMalaise

        You do a swell job of that yourself, Lou. A little bit of introspection would do you a world of good.

  • avatar
    manu06

    This podcast will shed some light on the subject of Free Trade and job loss.
    http://freakonomics.com

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    el scotto

    As for the discourse in the comments section: We need “ignore”, “f-tard”, “trifecta tune”, and “Australian Flag” buttons. That would speed up reading. What wasn’t addressed that GM probably makes the 4th or 5th best SUV in this segment. That’s their real problem, not President Trump, no it’s not Mr. Trump, angry CAW leaders, or NAFTA. Build a vehicle people want to buy, GM.

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    highdesertcat

    “Build a vehicle people want to buy, GM.”

    Isn’t that what the Germans said when Trump took on M-B and BMW? If America wants to be competitive in Europe’s automarket, build better vehicles.

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    pdl2dmtl

    Mark Stevenson – time to close the comments section on this article, it has outlived its useful life.

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