By on June 29, 2016

2017 Jaguar lineup

Jaguar Land Rover’s brands are as British as crumpets and the Union Jack (ignore the fact that it’s owned by India’s Tata Motors), so concerns over Britain’s vote to leave the European Union should fall squarely on its tweed-covered shoulders.

The automaker is keeping a stiff upper lip, at least in public, with a spokesperson saying the company doesn’t plan to make changes to its strategy, Reuters reports.

A $1.34 billion assembly plant in Slovakia is going ahead as planned, said Jaguar Land Rover strategy director Adrian Hallmark, who called the Brexit a “short-term issue” during a news conference.

“Our commitment is to our existing operations in the UK, future operations in Europe of which we have already announced the Slovakia plant which will be coming on stream in just a few years,” Hallmark said.

The Slovakia plant’s location was picked from a diverse list of potential sites that included the U.S. and UK. Production could reach up to 150,000 vehicles per year after it opens in 2018.

One industry analyst, speaking with Bloomberg, said the short-term pain for the UK and EU will be severe. Ian Fletcher, analyst for IHS Automotive, told the publication that the Brexit vote could erase the sales of 2.8 million vehicles between now and 2018.

“The U.K. is, unsurprisingly, anticipated to bear the brunt of the impact,” Fletcher said. He predicts that the UK vehicle market will shrink from a previously estimated 3.2 million vehicles to just one million, according to IHS calculations. Expect declines for two years after that, Fletcher added.

According to the Society of Manufacturers and Traders, at last count, the $20 billion-plus British auto industry ships 80 percent of its vehicles overseas, with 60 percent of that total bound for countries in the EU.

[Image: Jaguar Land Rover]

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164 Comments on “Jaguar Land Rover Isn’t Changing Its Plans Because of Brexit; Analyst Says Pain Lies Ahead...”


  • avatar

    Down with Globalism.

    Farage and Trump 2016.

    Nationalism is going to make a comeback and there’s nothing the NWO can do about it

    Brexit is only the beginning.

    • 0 avatar
      VoGo

      No more Dutch/British/Italian cars for you, BTSR.

      • 0 avatar

        Keep in mind, if all else fails, I can always count on Mercedes, Hyundai and TESLA.

        The key word is FREEDOM.

        The British don’t want illegal immigration driving down their wages with the low skilled, subsidy using workers.

        The British don’t want their airports threatened like turkeys airports by future generations of angry refugees .

        The British don’t want to be responsible for any more bailouts of all of those pathetic European economies drowning in socialism/debt that the idiot liberals in America want to prop up through Facebook memes .

        Now they’ve understood exactly how America felt when we declared independence from the crown and tossed their tea in the water in their faces .

        FREEDOM means never having to apologize .

        By God that man Nigel and our man Donald are going to set these countries free.

        A Nation without Borders is no nation at all.

        These disgusting liberals think that they can make the world “equal” by bankrupting us .

        Time to put an end to their stupidity.

        2017 will be marked by the inaugural bells of America being made great again.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          Looks like xenophobic knuckle dragging mouth breathers now have a voice.

          This is where cognitive dissonance lies within Conservative party ranks. The high end of the party’s demographic is in favour of open and unfettered trade aka globalism. The low end of the party i.e. uneducated and white wants walls put up to free trade, free movement, and anyone they think is responsible for the mess they are in.

          They do not see that they are in the mess they are in due to polices implemented by the high end of the party’s demographic.

          This is Greek tragedy at its finest. “Song of the goats” in the modern era should be: “Song of the elephants”.

          • 0 avatar
            Kenmore

            “xenophobic knuckle dragging mouth breathers”

            A.k.a. the people in whose neighborhoods we dump them.

          • 0 avatar
            dwford

            It’s not xenophobia to protect your own best interest ahead of complete strangers coming in uninvited with their hand out.

            Take it closer to home, YOUR home: If a total stranger opened your front door, walked in uninvited, sat down on your couch and said “I live here now, make me dinner.” what would you think? What would you do? It’s no different with our borders.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            You’re just a [insert bullsh*t here].

            .
            .
            .
            .
            .

            “Take it closer to home, YOUR home: If a total stranger opened your front door, walked in uninvited, sat down on your couch and said “I live here now, make me dinner.””

            I’m gonna be really pissed his blood is all over my couch after I’ve killed him for trespassing.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            dwford – weak sauce dude. My son’s school has sponsored families and so have many church groups. My wife and I have purchased meals for street people asking for money.

            Since when has immigrants been an issue to the fabric of the USA?

            The New Colossus

            “Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

            With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

            Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

            A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

            Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

            Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

            Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

            The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

            Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!”

            cries she

            With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your

            poor,

            Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

            The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

            Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,

            I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

            —Emma Lazarus, 1883

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            dwford, maybe he IS invited. Sounds like your wife forgot to mention he’s a guest in your home, in exchange for “services rendered”, plus a little cash on the side. You know, for things you refuse to do around the house and plantation, not to mention, the bedroom…

            You and her perhaps need to talk this out.

        • 0 avatar
          VoGo

          “The British don’t want illegal immigration driving down their wages with the low skilled, subsidy using workers.”
          – except that exiting the EU will only INCREASE illegal immigration by eliminating dozens of nations from which immigration is legal.

          “The British don’t want their airports threatened like turkeys airports by future generations of angry refugees.”
          – There has never in the US been an act of terror committed by a refugee.

          “The British don’t want to be responsible for any more bailouts of all of those pathetic European economies drowning in socialism/debt that the idiot liberals in America want to prop up through Facebook memes ”
          – Please describe in detail the method by which American liberal Facebook memes directly support European bailouts. Is there a Nigerian prince involved?

          “These disgusting liberals think that they can make the world “equal” by bankrupting us”
          – Except that in reality the US economy has grown more under Democratic presidents and Republican.

          • 0 avatar
            markf

            “except that exiting the EU will only INCREASE illegal immigration by eliminating dozens of nations from which immigration is legal”

            This makes no sense, you argument proves exactly why the Brits want to leave. Illegal or legal immigrants, under the EU they have no say who can enter the country.

            “There has never in the US been an act of terror committed by a refugee”

            Nonsense. “Hesham Mohamed Hadayet, a 41-year-old Egyptian national, opened fire at the airport, killing two Israelis and wounding four others before being shot dead by a security guard for the Israeli airline”

            http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/04/12/airport.shooting/

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            Wow, Markf, you may have found a single instance in the last 15 years in which a refugee in the US killed someone. Kudos. You must be so proud of yourself.

            Now please catalog every instance in which a native born US citizen committed an act of terror. Not from the last 15 years. Just the last 15 days. Take your time.

            BTSR can vote for whomever he pleases. He can type whatever bizarre thought enters his mind. I just wish more of them were grounded in fact.

          • 0 avatar

            The Bin Laden organization’s first victim in the United States was Rabbi Meir Kahane, murdered by El Sayyid Nosair, born in Egypt. Nosair was part of the Paterson, NJ jihadi group that tried blowing up the World Trade Center the first time.

          • 0 avatar
            jpolicke

            “– There has never in the US been an act of terror committed by a refugee.”

            Try telling that lie in Boston, especially at marathon time.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            You’re confusing “people different from me” with “refugee”. Not the same thing.

            Nosair and the Tsarnaevs were US citizens. And I’m from Boston, and I ran the marathon the year before the bombing.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            Markf,
            I just did the research and found out that you lied.

            Hesham Mohamed Hadayet was a 41-year-old Egyptian national who emigrated to the United States in 1992, arriving on a tourist visa.

            TOURIST. Not refugee. They are different.

        • 0 avatar
          Eyeflyistheeye

          Seeing how I have to choose between the aggressive populist jingoism of BTSR and his ilk on the Trump side and the safe-space, gender-neutral pronoun social justice warrior, this is a good trade agreement crap on the Hillary side, I’ll join BTSR.

          As far as Brexit, what the UK needs to do is show some backbone. France and Germany are willing to do what it takes to keep things going smoothly since there’s no precedent, the Brits need to take advantage of it.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            Why is it suddenly so trendy to attack those fighting for social justice? Are you philosophically opposed to a system that treats people fairly?

            I’m genuinely curious.

          • 0 avatar
            Kenmore

            “Why is it suddenly so trendy to attack those fighting for social justice?”

            Nonsense, it’s always been fun to pound on snivellers.

            But seriously, germs, I’ve got no problem with people developing a strong sense of social justice so long as they don’t attempt to inflict it upon others.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            Which parts of social justice are you opposed to?

            The part that ends racism and discrimination? The part that gives women the same rights as men? The part that stops violence against gays and lesbians? The part that ends tax breaks for the wealthy at the expense of the poor?

            I get it. Old white guys like to stay in power, and mock “social justice” to do so. Where do you stand?

          • 0 avatar
            Kenmore

            “Where do you stand?”

            In a place you’ve never been. Don’t tell me to whom I owe what.

            Or just get used to being laughed at.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            OK, Kenmore, you’re right. I haven’t walked in your shoes. So tell us – in your words – why the animosity towards social justice?

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Going off the reservation, we are here. Best to clean up before the fuzz arrive.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            Why is it suddenly so trendy to attack those fighting for social justice?

            It’s because the most fervent believers of social justice are confused by the word justice. Just some chest beating hypocrites who want to impose their will/opinions/beliefs on others.

          • 0 avatar
            Kenmore

            LBJ. From the White House to beyond the grave he and his ilk have destroyed nearly every neighborhood I’ve ever lived in.

            And if I weren’t over 60 I’d live to see him destroy my current little happy valley, too.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            I suppose you’re right, jkrosse, people on both sides of the issue take things too far. But I’m not a hippie. I’m not part of Occupy Wall Street.

            I just want all US citizens to be treated fairly and equally. Is that something you are truly opposed to?

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            Vogo,

            “I suppose you’re right, jkrosse, people on both sides of the issue take things too far. But I’m not a hippie. I’m not part of Occupy Wall Street.

            I just want all US citizens to be treated fairly and equally. Is that something you are truly opposed to?”

            Social justice has nothing to do with treating people fairly. It has to do with picking a side of a debatable issue and then ridiculing those who don’t believe in that orthodoxy. SJ ‘warriors’ then channel their inner child and begin calling those with whom they disagree xenophobes, racists, bigots, etc. with the goal of shutting down debate.

            I’ve seen this back and forth play out in numerous ways outside of the bullhorn that is the internet. What I’ve learned from these interactions is this: There’s little to no justice to be found in social justice advocates.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            Well, jkrosse,
            It sounds like you have a lot of experience in these matters, which I obviously lack. Some day someone will explain to me what is wrong with social justice.

            I haven’t called you names. Or anyone. Well, I did repeat Yo Mama’s line about the orange muppet, but in all fairness, I thought it was hilarious.

            Whatever. I’ll just end by saying that terms like SJW and racist seem to block people from understanding each other and finding common ground.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            Vogo, I explained what’s wrong with social justice and those who adhere to such things. Seems I offended – Wasn’t my intent. I have no idea if you’re a hippie or OWS person, and it doesn’t matter either way to me if you are. I’m saying I’m offended by those who hold SJW opinions attempting a cram down of their beliefs on those of us uninterested in their false understanding of justice. Feel the same way about religious people doing the same thing.

            The term SJW is how those who take up those views refer to themselves. I used the term as a descriptor, not as an insult.

        • 0 avatar
          Hummer

          +100
          Brexit is without a doubt one of the best things to come out of Britian since I’ve been alive, it will finally give America a first world peer that we desperately lack. Once Britian gets back on its feet hopefully it can get leadership that will bring back the Industry and patriotism that made them so admirable.

          I’m actually really excited this happened in my life time, this is what actual progress looks like, the future for the UK is bright and endless without the unelected elites in the EU decreeing what Britian can and cannot do.

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            Bravo! My sentiments, exactly!

            As I wrote earlier, elsewhere, my German relatives are wishing they could get out of the EU.

            They really soured on immigration and carrying the financial burden of propping up the weak sisters of their EU-sisterhood, with their taxes.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            Do you recall what post-war Europe was like? The EU has fostered an extraordinary period of development, prosperity and peace for hundreds of millions of people.

            You like Brexit because it reflects your personal goals, not what is best for Britain.

          • 0 avatar

            Highdesertcat

            don’t worry – the globalists and anti-American haters will NEVER shut me up.

            Long after I’m dead, my voice and videos will resonate through space-time itself.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            BTSR,
            I don’t think you understand the term anti-American.

            We’re a nation of immigrants. We’re a nation that supports progress and development. We are inclusive, caring and strong.

            Calling for walls, inciting violence and reverting to racist accusations are what is anti-American.

          • 0 avatar
            Kenmore

            “Calling for walls, inciting violence and reverting to racist accusations are what is anti-American.”

            No, the consequences of global overpopulation are what is anti-American and there’s nothing all your noble sentiments can do to change that.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            Overpopulation is a result of poverty. In every nation that has developed its economy to approximately the level of the US, the birth rate has fallen to sustainable levels.

            Fight poverty with measures like the Peace Corps and Foreign Aid, and you stop overpopulation.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            Well there will be always an England, but Scotland and Ireland will be doubtful members of the U.K. Wales will stick to England as it is too small.
            Going to be a Nightmare

          • 0 avatar
            Kenmore

            “Fight poverty with measures like the Peace Corps and Foreign Aid, and you stop overpopulation.”

            The poverty is too big and people too violent for us to continue to pretend that it’s still 1960.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            “Fight poverty with measures like the Peace Corps and Foreign Aid”

            Fight poverty by further impoverishing the citizens in one country and giving to another. Yes We. Can.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            Big picture, Kenmore,

            With a couple of exceptions (that get all the headlines), South America has steadily improved economically the last couple of decades, and is nearly 100% democratic. India and China are driving extraordinary change with their rapid growth. Europe is developed and peaceful, for the first time in centuries.

            Yeah, big portions of the Middle East are a mess, and we can’t fix them. But they’ll figure it out eventually. Stay positive.

          • 0 avatar
            Kenmore

            “South America has steadily improved economically”

            Care for a dip in Lago Favela?

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            “Do you recall what post-war Europe was like? The EU has fostered an extraordinary period of development, prosperity and peace for hundreds of millions of people.

            You like Brexit because it reflects your personal goals, not what is best for Britain.”

            I was born in America in 1980, no, I don’t remember post war Europe, I think I could be fairly confident to say you don’t either. However, tens of thousands in the UK do remember post war Europe, they’ve seen the worst, and of all people they know the damage the EU has done.
            I don’t have personal goals for a country across the ocean, but prospering is a goal that every country, its people, and allies should all be able to agree on. The EU certainly had some successful elements when it was first created, but there is no way to control the EU and as expected it has turned into a real problem that has adversely affected millions.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            How is using the word xenophobe name calling?

            It means “a person unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin.”

            What part of my earlier post you do not understand?

            “This is where cognitive dissonance lies within Conservative party ranks. The high end of the party’s demographic is in favour of open and unfettered trade aka globalism. The low end of the party i.e. uneducated and white wants walls put up to free trade, free movement, and anyone they think is responsible for the mess they are in.

            They do not see that they are in the mess they are in due to polices implemented by the high end of the party’s demographic.

            This is Greek tragedy at its finest. “Song of the goats” in the modern era should be: “Song of the elephants”.”

            Yes I left out the “knuckle dragging mouth breather” part BUT if one looks at who traditionally supports the Republican party it happens to be uneducated rural whites at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder. The other end is big business and those with deep pockets or those selfishly clinging to what they have.

            Care to post alternative statistics?

            VoGo is right.

            The FORMER immigrants to the USA feel all warm and fuzzy and safe and don’t want NEW immigration to threaten what they have.

            If it isn’t xenophobia then what is it?

            Blame the corrupt elites.

            How did the British Empire stay in power for so long?
            The common tactic was to keep rival tribes and factions fighting each other.

            That is what is happening now. The “left” blames the “right”. Totalitarian types blame Libertarians and vise versa.

            Pull your heads out of your azzes.

            “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

            We forget that we all have the same hopes and fears or love and hates.

            Standing divided and blaming each other is why the current political system is broken.

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            The consistency of the democrat population is a couple of uppity white folk that think their liberal arts degree qualify them to be in rank with Einstein, the other major part of the party is large subset of the population that is gullible enough to believe they can prosper on the backs of people that will work for them. And then there is a few ultra wealthy individuals that control the Democratic Party for their own benefits.

            I’ll take the working class Republican or the Libertarian angle, and unlike the typical left talking point the majority of college graduates don’t come out of school and run to the DNC, if anything they know a labor of love that it took to get a degree and the work it takes to be successful. I can attest that Engineering students generally (over 3/4 of my classmates) were overwhelmingly conservative/libertarian individuals, and I didn’t go to a school in Texas.
            I’m not blind though the Right has a hell of a lot of problems, first of all the infiltration of progressive politics that has turned the right away from economic conservatism to having a setup where the right gets light liberal economics and heavy doses of conservative social issues, that’s the complete opposite of what I want from the right, I mean voting for a Bush and voting for a Biden would result in the same end result, why the hell would someone leave home for that?

            Brexit has nothing to do with xenophobia, these are people that have seen their industry come down crashing and burning, have had laws handed out to them that they don’t want by people they didn’t elect, have sent their money to an organization who turns around and uses it as welfare for a country that refuses to take corrective measures to stop hemorrhaging money. The EU is a malignant tumor and Britian has every right to cut away.

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            And then what is wrong with nationalism, a sense of patriotism is not bad. If you don’t love the country you live in why not go elsewhere? Normally immigrants come to a country to seek a better life, these are people that want to assimilate to that country, adopt its values, it’s traditions, and be a productive member of a society that preaches values that attracted said individual.

            Some of the people going into Europe from the Middle East are terrorists, and by all means a country should protect its people from terrorists, and not allow unfettered immigration of people that have no interest in the European country they were dropped in.

            No one has a problem with an individual that went through the process to legally become a citizen, end of story.

            It’s really funny to watch a bunch of adults get upset over a vote for democracy simply because the media tells them it’s “bad”. Even funnier to watch a bunch of adults calling others names, I mean can you be anymore childish, you don’t know these people, but since they don’t agree with you they’re uneducated xenophobes? Talk about brainwashed by the media.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            Hummer,
            I would respond, but your posts are so poorly written that I honestly can’t figure out what you’re trying to say. Your posts say more about the quality of your education than anything else.

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            Perhaps, but then again I took one English class in college, so I would say I’m doing pretty darn good. I don’t need to have a bachelors in English to design/build a bridge.

            I can tell you one thing, being able to write like Hemingway doesn’t make one a master in all things political, no more than being able able to find the yield strength of a pressure vessel, and no more than whatever you spent your time working for.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            I’ll bet you build better bridges in reality than you do online.

            :)

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            Hummer – as you have pointed out, conservatism and gone to neoliberal values in relation to trade. You can actually than Milton Friedman and some of his disciples for that. Dubya, Cheney, and Rumsfeld are all Friedmanites.

            Conservative “Values” unfortunately tends to mean anti-gay and in some cases anti-racial minority. Too many use Christianity to justify discrimination. I’ve seen multiple quotes used to rationalize it all. They are all Old Testament based.

            Pre- 9/11 the Muslim community in the USA was encouraged to vote “Bush” because they felt he would be more likely to be aligned with their “conservative” values. Those values are basically the same as traditional conservative Christian values. That in itself should trigger cognitive dissonance in anti-Muslim types.

            I do not believe in the suppression of gay rights under religious grounds. Christian means follower of Christ and he was inclusive. He also wasn’t into segregation based on ethnicity or nationality. The parable of “The Good Samaritan” comes to mind.
            I’m not in favour of abortion as a form of birth control. Nearly half of pregnancies among American women in 2011 were unintended, and about four in 10 of these were terminated by abortion. How about education and contraception as opposed to abortion? or how about improving the standards of living of fellow Americans since they are more likely to get pregnant at the low end of the socioeconomic ladder?
            Does traditional criminal incarceration work?
            I love debating any of this stuff but lets move beyond believing the opposite side of the debate has nothing to offer.

            I used to be right wing Christian Conservative but I could not rationalize anti-gay and other hardline approaches.

            This is complex stuff and an exclusively left or right approach won’t work.

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            I (for personal reasons) could not build a bridge, I’m fully capable, but I couldn’t live with myself if I made a mistake and no one caught it until after a major tragedy.

            Here’s a different story, if my post comes out and it reads like I’m a certified idiot, oh well, I’ll take that blame.

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            Lou, we’re not too far apart, I can be quite liberal when it comes to social issues, about the one thing socially I’m on the fence about is abortion, I lean conservatively, but I’m not blind to the other sides argument.
            I refuse to follow a parties line, I’m going to believe and do what I feel is right.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            OK, I really liked what you wrote there in the post that started with Uncle Milton, of whom I was quite fond in my 20’s.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            Hummer – when one stops looking for common ground we are then doomed to extinction.

            I suspect that both the left and the right believe that government is corrupt, selfish, self-serving, and has abandoned the populace that has voted them in.

            What is the answer?

            Partisanship has failed so far.

            @VoGo – thanks.

            It looks like passion got the better of spell check. LOL

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “The material conditions for the Brexit vote were laid by the failure of EU integration and globalization more generally to lift living standards as promised by all the economic models,” argues UNIFOR economist Jim Stanford. “The pro-Brexit vote came very strongly from depressed ‘rust belt’ regions of England and Wales, places where the middle-class dream of stable work and decent social welfare has been ripped to shreds over the past 30 years.” Meanwhile, in centres like London, where there has been wild prosperity, it is not surprising that the Remain vote was strong. The vote exposed and exacerbated a series of sharp divisions that are playing out all over the world: urban vs. rural, rich vs. poor, more educated vs. less educated, citizen vs. immigrants.

            “Significant swaths of society have been impoverished and cast aside by the rise of modern neoliberal globalization,” says Stanford. “Given the data on our trade performance and living standards since NAFTA came into effect, it cannot be argued that NAFTA has improved the living standards of most Canadians, no matter how often this is presented as ‘fact.’ ”

    • 0 avatar
      Piston Slap Yo Mama

      Moderators: If you give an inch for trolls to drag American politics into the comment threads this early on then you’ve lost the war. Figure out where you’ll draw the line and stick to it.
      Please.

      • 0 avatar

        Piston Slap Yo Mama

        Please tell me you don’t have the ability to vote in American elections?

        • 0 avatar
          markf

          No need to be such a crybaby because you are constantly wrong…….

          And yes Orlando was committed by a “Native” born, though you conveniently leave out the fact that he was the son of a “refugee” and raised in household that preached hate of America, gays and infidels.

          • 0 avatar

            Just to clarify, your comment is to Piston Slap right?

            Comment system here makes it hard to know who the comment is sent to.

          • 0 avatar
            jpolicke

            “You’re confusing “people different from me” with “refugee”. Not the same thing.” -VoGo

            No, I’m describing members of a family that was officially granted asylum status.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            markf – how many other conservative religions “preached hate of America, gays and infidels”?

            “It’s important to note that all this focus on Islamic extremists ignores domestic terrorists driven by other motives. In fact, right-wing domestic terrorists armed with guns, particularly Christian fundamentalists and white supremacists, have committed a slight majority of the lethal terror attacks taking place in the U.S. since 9/11, claiming 29 lives—a death toll that could climb to 32 if authorities confirm that last Friday’s attack inside a Planned Parenthood center in Colorado Springs, Colorado, was politically-motivated.” NOVEMBER 30, 2015

        • 0 avatar
          Piston Slap Yo Mama

          BTSR – many regard our automotive hobby as an escape from the shrill, poisonous cacophony of vitriolic and partisan politics. As that’s fully half of what you post I can’t help but be disappointed to see it continue unabated here on TTAC (provisionally an automotive forum) so shortly after the institution of moderation. Given that it’s a piece on the economics of the Brexit and how it pertains to Land Rover, I fail to see how braying about your orange muppet is germane.

          • 0 avatar

            “Given that it’s a piece on the economics of the Brexit and how it pertains to Land Rover,”

            THIS IS THE POINT where you should have just stopped typing…

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            “braying about your orange muppet”

            Classic.

          • 0 avatar

            “braying about your orange muppet”

            Calling him names won’t stop you from calling him MR. PRESIDENT.

            Let’s see what you have to say then…

            I wanna be right there when it happens.

          • 0 avatar
            schmitt trigger

            “many regard our automotive hobby as an escape from the shrill, poisonous cacophony of vitriolic and partisan politics. I can’t help but be disappointed to see it continue unabated here on TTAC (provisionally an automotive forum)”

            I’m with you, Piston Slap.
            That is the main reason I seldom come back here anymore.

      • 0 avatar
        orenwolf

        Well, to be fair, this is a politics post.

        On-topic: This is really going to come down to what agreements the UK can forge post-EU, right? I mean, it’s just as likely they may come up with a better deal than they have now WRT manufacturing for these countries like Slovakia where they really, really want that factory to create jobs, right?

        More annoying will be the massive patchwork of trade agreements now, though. :/

      • 0 avatar
        dwford

        I say as long as we keep out the personal insults, let the debate rage.

        • 0 avatar

          I just got more butter…

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            like Brando or Ocho Cinco?

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “I just got more butter…”

            Sit back and enjoy the political bon fire you lit?

            How about a rational explanation for your political position?

            BTSR…….. Does that now mean Bombastic Trump Serial Reveler?

          • 0 avatar

            Lou BC

            You know exactly where I stand.

            Trump
            Farage
            Brexit

            I stand with a future where America is MADE GREAT AGAIN and all of its detractors and anti-American haters ARE BROUGHT TO THEIR KNEES.

            We will start with economics and gradually make our way back to world technological dominance.

            UNDER THESE FILTHY LIBERALS and PSEUDO COMMUNISTS we’ve lost so much.

            We are going to make America GREAT Again.

          • 0 avatar
            PrincipalDan

            In the immortal words of Ron Burgundy:

            “Well that escalated quickly!”

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @PrincipalDan –

            Why does this following passage keep entering my head when I read one of BTSR’s posts?

            “D-Day (Bruce McGill): War’s over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
            Bluto: Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
            Otter (Tim Matheson): [whispering] Germans?
            Boon (Peter Riegert): Forget it, he’s rolling.
            Bluto: And it ain’t over now. ‘Cause when the goin’ gets tough… [thinks hard] the tough get goin’! Who’s with me? Let’s go! [runs out, alone; then returns] What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where’s the spirit? Where’s the guts, huh? “Ooh, we’re afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble.” Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I’m not gonna take this. Wormer, he’s a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer –
            Otter: Dead! Bluto’s right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.
            Bluto: We’re just the guys to do it.
            D-Day: Let’s do it.
            Bluto: LET’S DO IT!!”

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            Filthy liberal? I bathed just last week! With soap this time.

            Now, when you write that you are under filthy liberals and pseudo communists, you do realize that Republicans run Congress, right BTSR?

            Or is this a reference to your personal life? Which I am totally OK with.

  • avatar
    threeer

    Yes, because saying (in your best British accent) that your Jag-U-R is made in Slovakia has such a desirable ring to it…

    • 0 avatar
      Kyree S. Williams

      I believe Volkswagen makes its large SUVs in Slovakia. The Touareg and Q7 are entirely assembled there. For the Cayenne, the basic bodyshell is completed there, then shipped to Germany for final assembly; likewise the new Bentayga has its bodyshell made in Slovakia, after which it is sent to Bentley’s facility in England for final assembly.

    • 0 avatar
      Syke

      Considering my family comes from there, I take it as a very good opinion to the quality of the workforce. Wouldn’t bother me in the slightest.

    • 0 avatar
      scott25

      How else is there to say Jaguar other than Jag-U-R? Jag-wire like my classmates in 3rd grade did?

      • 0 avatar
        quickson

        I like to say it “yagwahr”, just because. On my off days, I stroll into the jag dealership: “Jes, I would like to luke at a yagwahr. What do you haf een a jello cole-or?”

    • 0 avatar
      jkross22

      Weren’t Boxsters not actually made by Porsche for a period of time? I thought P contracted that assembly out to Magna.

  • avatar
    tylanner

    These insular and absent minded people are accelerating the human race towards a fiery and unsatisfying end. They will undoubtedly cycle back into the fold but not quickly enough to affect the F-type.

  • avatar
    dividebytube

    *shrugs*

    I still have the XE on the radar for my next car. As much as I would like the 6cyl (no manual though!), the 4-cyl may be the compromise for a lease.

  • avatar
    mtmmo

    As a current but soon to be former Democrat it’s funny watching BTSR mop the floor with some of the Leftists on this board. I picture BTSR dope slapping with one hand while creating youtube videos/trading stocks with the other. One of the many benefits of reading the comments.

    As far as BREXIT goes to quote the single most corrupt politician ever, “What difference does it make!?” (credit my Sanders supporting friends for that one). Any time an ‘Analyst’ predicts BREXIT will lead to less cars being sold that tells me JLR will actually end up selling more cars.

    • 0 avatar
      Hydromatic

      BTSR’s comments would be better suited for Topix or an Advance Media news forum. When I come to TTAC, I try to look for intelligent and nuanced commentary from the Best & Brightest. Not sure if BTSR qualifies in that particular regard.

      As for Brexit, I’m sure the so-called “little Englanders” are satisfied with putting their thumb in the scollective eyes of the socialist EU and their liberal Londoner counterparts, but the far-ranging implications aren’t likely to work out in their favor. Unless England adopts something as foolhardy as a “White Australia” policy, immigrants are still going to show up on their front doorstep, eager to take the jobs that Englanders aren’t keen on taking for paltry wages.

  • avatar
    markf

    vogo is everything that is wrong about and fun to laugh at with “Social Justice Warriors”

    The Tsarnaev brothers were indeed refugees, it is irrelevant that they later on became US Citizens. Like all liberals he is almost always wrong but never in doubt.

    Immigration policies should benefit the country taking in said immigrants. How how the US benefited from people like the Tsarnaevs? Of the family of the Orlando terrorist? Of the wife of the San Bernardino terrorist?

    How does it benefit the UK that UN-elected bureaucrats in Brussels dictate their immigration policy?

    • 0 avatar
      VoGo

      Markf,
      You’re probably a few generations removed from your family’s immigration to the US, so I will remind you of Emma Lazarus’ famous words:

      “Give me your tired, your poor,
      Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
      The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
      Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
      I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

      Every act of terror committed in the US was by someone whose family at some point came to this country. Just like every act of kindness. And yet, from amongst literally thousands of people who have committed acts of terror, you chose only Muslims. That’s your bias.

      • 0 avatar
        Eyeflyistheeye

        Since you’re basically saying everyone who opposes your “enlightened” view of the world is a stuffy old white guy, I’ll go to bat. I’m the son of two legal immigrants to the United States with one of my parents from the Caribbean and the other from Asia. I’m not white though I’m about 1/6th European in total. In fact, let’s just say that my appearance got me profiled after 9/11 when I was a sophomore in high school.

        It’s just common sense to have safeguards and verification for immigrants along with having secured borders.

        The entire premise of immigration is that immigrants will come to the United States, do what they can to be good citizens, pledge their loyalty to the laws and well-being of our nation without having to deny their cultural heritage. We should welcome people that fit that description and send away those who don’t, along with stopping people that come here and want to hurt us.

      • 0 avatar
        markf

        Oh, the SJW endless for the unicorn non-muslim terrorist. The Boston bombers were so-called refugees and they did not “yearn to be free” in fact they spent a lot time on vacation in the supposed oppressed land they left.

        And to take your “we are all immigrants” logic to its logical conclusion that is true of very country, ever.France in 2016 does not consist of the same people of France in 1316. The fact that the US is composed of recent immigrants does not means we need or should have a policy of unlimited immigration. Until Ted Kennedy passed his disastrous immigration policy in the 60s we had a very strict immigration policy and were fairly selective.

        Explain how unlimited immigration for third world hell-holes helps the US

        • 0 avatar
          Hydromatic

          Yes, I remember the Chinese Exclusion Act and the U.S. govt’s policy of prioritizing immigration from northern and western Europe until the 1965 Immigration Act.

          Seems like unlimited immigration only becomes a problem when it brings people who don’t look like you or share an easily assimilatable culture.

          • 0 avatar
            markf

            It becomes a problem when we have 6 million illegals from one region who have no intention of integrating and were brought in for cheap labor for wealthy folks and to change the voting demographics permanently i favor of Democrats….

            Being Hispanic,they do look like me. If the left could ever get over race then real discussions could be had but the answer for everything is RACIST.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            People aren’t “illegal” or legal. They are people. Some are documented immigrants, some are not. Among those who are undocumented, some are here legally, and some are not. The laws are complex, and many people don’t know their own status.

            I certainly cannot tell who is or is not here legally just by looking at them.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @markf and/or Eyeflyistheeye

            How do you propose “we” filter out the undesirables?

            How do you spot the one’s coming here to hurt us?

            As posted earlier, we see just as much “terrorist” activity in the USA from extreme Christian fundamentalists and white supremacists.

            “”Domestic terrorism” means activities with the following three characteristics:
            ◾Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
            ◾Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and
            ◾Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

            18 U.S.C. § 2332b defines the term “federal crime of terrorism” as an offense that:
            ◾Is calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct; and
            ◾Is a violation of one of several listed statutes, including § 930(c) (relating to killing or attempted killing during an attack on a federal facility with a dangerous weapon); and § 1114 (relating to killing or attempted killing of officers and employees of the U.S.).”

            FBI website.

        • 0 avatar
          VoGo

          markf
          I have never advocated for unlimited immigration from any country. You made that up.

          I just don’t see value in blaming all of my problems, or my country’s problems, on outsiders.

    • 0 avatar
      Astigmatism

      “The Tsarnaev brothers were indeed refugees, it is irrelevant that they later on became US Citizens. Like all liberals he is almost always wrong but never in doubt.”

      Oh, irony.

      http://www.snopes.com/tsarnaev-refugees/

      • 0 avatar
        ToddAtlasF1

        You do know that when Snopes says something they sought to disprove is ‘mixed’ they mean that it is materially correct, don’t you? You’ve more than made markf’s point, and me laugh. Thank you!

        • 0 avatar
          Astigmatism

          You didn’t actually read anything past the colorful icon, did you?

          “The Tsarnaev family were technically not refugees when they entered the U.S.: they arrived in the country on tourist visas and later applied for political asylum…

          While attention paid to the Tsarnaev family’s manner of entry might seem to be nitpicking, the distinction is important. Refugees and political asylum seekers are tasked with proving claims of persecution in their homelands, whereas tourists can obtain entry visas issued with far less rigorous inspection…

          Given that the Tsarnaev family arrived in the United States as vacation-goers, their tourist visas were unlikely to trigger initial asylum-seeker-type screening (to which Syrian refugees are subject). Clamping down on the admission of refugees would not affect individuals like the Tsarnaev family, who entered the U.S. with a stated intent of leisure travel.”

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            If you think that asylum seekers and refugees aren’t virtual synonyms, then go argue with a house plant.

            http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/70
            “Asylum seeker” means a person who has applied for asylum under the 1951 Refugee Convention on the Status of Refugees on the ground that if he is returned to his country of origin he has a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, political belief or membership of a particular social group. He remains an asylum seeker for so long as his application or an appeal against refusal of his application is pending.

            “Refugee” in this context means an asylum seeker whose application has been successful. In its broader context it means a person fleeing e.g. civil war or natural disaster but not necessarily fearing persecution as defined by the 1951 Refugee Convention.

            Now you can be less ignorant, but I suspect you’ll choose to continue to assert incompetence, as your position becomes untenable with the presence of knowledge or honesty.

            That the Tsarnaevs entered the US dishonestly was only a harbinger of what is going on today, as ISIS and other antagonists enter badly run social democracies under the veil of refuge seeking. Your argument isn’t even semantic. It’s non-existent, like snopes’ credibility.

          • 0 avatar
            Astigmatism

            They may be used interchangeably by people who don’t know what they’re talking about, but calling them “virtual synonyms” is like saying 4WD and AWD are the same thing (Hey! This is a car site after all…). “Refugee” has the specific meaning in US immigration law of someone referred to the US by the UNHCR and is subject to screening both by the UNHCR and US Department of State, _before_ they’re allowed to enter this country. An asylum-seeker is someone who seeks asylum. All refugees are asylum-seekers, but not all asylum-seekers are refugees. The Tsarnaevs may have sought asylum, but they were not refugees.

      • 0 avatar
        markf

        Refugees, immigrants as hillary said “at this point what difference does it make”

        And snopes is a left wing hack site, please…..

        • 0 avatar
          VoGo

          It makes a difference to Syrian families who need a place to stay and are instead pushed back into war zones because some people choose to be ignorant of the actual threat presented by fully vetted refugees.

          And, again, if you want to cite reliable sources that support your views, feel free to share them.

        • 0 avatar
          Astigmatism

          Refugees are subject to a multi-year screening process that begins with the UN and includes numerous rounds of interviews, background checks and other steps designed to ensure safety. People who enter on a tourist visa get a five-second once-over by a bored guy sitting behind a glass window. No refugee has ever committed a terrorist attack on US soil. That’s not the case for people who come over on tourist visas.

          It’s not actually that complicated, mark.

          • 0 avatar
            Rick T.

            Well, there is the theoretical which you’ve outlined and then there is the reality:

            “The Obama administration isn’t vetting the social media profiles of all Syrian refugees despite promises made last year after the San Bernardino terrorist attack, which exposed holes in the U.S. immigration screening process.

            “The social media problem burst into view last year after one of the attackers in the San Bernardino, California, terrorist massacre was found to be an immigrant who had posted online of her desire to wage jihad. It turned out she had posted privately, not publicly, but the administration acknowledged that it should be screening social media messages….

            “Last year, before several major attacks raised security questions, Mr. Obama pledged to increase the number of Syrian refugees in the U.S. But his plans were undercut by his own top national security officials, including the director of the FBI, who said the government lacks the resources on the ground or the access to Syrian databases to vet applicants completely.

            Homeland Security officials said they can check their own databases, but critics warn that it’s impossible to know what risks the applicants pose if they cannot verify refugees’ stories in Syria.”

            http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/26/obama-administration-fails-to-screen-syrian-refuge/

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            A. You’re quoting the Washington Times. Not exactly a centrist publication

            B. All it says is that the process doesn’t yet include checks on social media or access to Syrian records. This isn’t the first bureaucratic process that was slow to adapt to modern times. And the value of Syrian records seems dubious – this is not a regime I would in any way trust.

            The vetting process with refugees remains rigorous and has resulted in the fact that refugees have never committed a terrorist act on US soil.

            Those are just facts.

  • avatar
    Big Al from Oz

    I do deplore the narrow view some have regarding the global automotive industry.

    IT IS POLITICAL.

    Auto manufacturers globally have gradually relied on governments via the taxpayer to suffer. People don’t realise that most any nation will not have an automotive industry without some form of subsidy or other form of protectionist measure.

    This can only be achieved through politics.

    As for the UK, it is very sad to see the UK’s demise. The people who think “freedom” is so narrow a topic as immigration are quite naive.

    A large part of the UK’s votes that tallied towards the leave campaign was from xenophobes and/or people who didn’t realise their standard of living and freedom was actually tied to the EU.

    What do the Brexit supporters expect? A country is like a business. If you place constraints on your peers you will pay the price.

    How can the British expect the EU to give them favouritism? The British economy is 60% reliant on EU trade.

    Fnck me dead my Pom friends!!!

    Britannia has hit an iceberg that will sink you now. Be prepared to reduce your standard of living to have what you shallow people think is the “British” way.

    Britannia has been declining for 150 years, without Scotland and Northern Ireland having a chance at becoming a “one” Ireland again England and Wales will be as powerful as Australia in the big scheme of things.

    Your security has diminished remarkably, your income will diminish remarkably and your British ways will go down with it.

    Do people know the day after the Brexit vote what was one of the most common questions on the Web in the UK.

    WHAT IS THE EU!!!!!!!!!

    Now many want a Brexit re-vote.

    The UK now is viewed as unstable. The UK will now enter into a large recession that will impact the globe, including the US.

    You so called “freedom” fighters offer little knowledge on how trade, the world functions.

    Why?

    Countries like the US, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ have all promoted free trade, free societies. Now when many around the globe want to enjoy what we have and have promoted for a couple hundred years the Luddites in our society don’t like it.

    So, when you Luddites fnck it all up, who will you trade with to support your cheap and easy life?

  • avatar
    Pch101

    It’s nice to see that the usual suspects who know nothing about American politics yet insist on talking about them on a car forum are now expanding their ignorance to overseas matters. Until a week ago, most of you would have thought that brexit were snacks served with cheese, so your opinions mean little.

    As for JLR, the brands are British enough and the prices high enough that Brexit probably won’t matter to JLR specifically. But Brexit wouldn’t be great for Nissan, Toyota and Honda if it becomes a reality; they built those plants in order to have access to a tariff free zone that went well past Dover. You can bet that they’ll be hesitant to expand their investments in Britain going forward, which wouldn’t exactly be great for jobs, now would it?

    (And no, Brexit probably ain’t gonna happen anyway. Sorry, xenophobes.)

    • 0 avatar
      Hydromatic

      Brexit might still happen, but not the way people here might think. The EU may very well decide to push the Article 50 issue and force the next PM to fall on his or her sword. So one way or another, the UK is leaving the EU.

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        The UK has the sole authority to invoke Article 50. The EU ministers can complain, but they can’t do much about it.

        Brexit can’t begin without approval from the parliament. There aren’t enough votes for it to pass.

        Boris Johnson, who would dearly love to be the next PM, doesn’t want a complete separation, but just a new agreement similar to what the Norwegians have with the EU. That would entail keeping the same free trade zone and immigration rules that they have right now, so the xenophobic contingent will get exactly none of what they want in that scenario.

    • 0 avatar
      markf

      Once again the left replaces rational arguments and logic with sneering, condescending insults.

      • 0 avatar
        VoGo

        markf,
        I’ll wait here while you present your rational argument.

        • 0 avatar
          markf

          Sure, here it is. Unfettered immigration of unskilled labor from crappy third world countries and islamic nations that the hate the US, hate Democracy and hate (small l) liberal values does nothing to help or better the United States or its citizens.

          And yes, blah blah blah we are a nation of immigrants, but my relatives did it legally.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            I haven’t seen anyone here argue for unfettered immigration of unskilled labor, etc.

            Why would you make that up?

            I certainly do not. I argue for rational immigration policy, economically informed, and fairly enforced.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            The closest that Mark has been to the UK is an “Irish” pub that serves green beer on St. Patty’s day. He’s all fired up about something that he doesn’t understand.

  • avatar
    mtmmo

    Oh look it’s the typical Leftist strategy being used. If you don’t agree with the other person’s opinion then label them a Racist/Sexist/Bigot or in this case a Xenophobe. It’s called characterizing the opposition. As a lifelong Democrat I’ve seen Leftists take over my party and it’s embarrassing because Leftists are anything but intellectuals. They can’t argue facts so instead they try to intimidate by labeling/characterizing the other party. In this particular case if you supported BREXIT you’re naturally a Xenophobe.

    • 0 avatar
      Kenmore

      They just haven’t yet been mugged.

    • 0 avatar
      markf

      Well having been tdy to the UK many times I have seen firsthand what their immigration has turned it into. Having just finished up living 6 years in Germany I also saw first hand what their suicidal immigration is turning Germany into. Like typical elitists the will of the people is invalid, our “betters” like pch and vogo know what is good for us.

      And when arguments lose just start in with insults and the usual racists, xenophobe, sexist, blah blah blah…

      • 0 avatar
        VoGo

        For the record, I never called you any of those things. I just cited facts.

        You on the other hand just called me an elitist. Which would be ironic if you knew anything about me and my lifestyle.

        As far as what their immigration has turned the UK into, do you mean a successful, multicultural society with incredible job opportunities, high land values, free and effective healthcare?

        And as far as Germany goes, are you arguing that Germany was in a better place before the EU and all these immigrants fouled the pure Aryan fatherland? Sorry, but this Jewboy is having difficulty siding with you on that one.

        • 0 avatar
          Reino

          “As far as what their immigration has turned the UK into, do you mean a successful, multicultural society with incredible job opportunities, high land values, free and effective healthcare?”

          How does that red herring taste over there in the UK? You HAVE been to the UK in the past few years, right?

  • avatar
    VoGo

    Xenophobe. The word means someone who fears or hates foreigners, right? If you are looking to exit a union because it allowed free immigration, then you are a xenophobe. If you want to build a wall to keep foreigners out, then your are a xenophobe. Pretty straightforward.

    It’s your choice whether to take offense at the label, but it remains accurate.

    • 0 avatar
      Kenmore

      Is panophobe a word? ‘Cause I don’t like the recent crops of Americans no better.

    • 0 avatar
      mtmmo

      So based on your logic all countries that do not support free immigration are Xenophobic. I guess Israel must be the most Xenophobic society in the world since they have border walls.

      (like I said Leftists are not intellectuals)

      • 0 avatar
        VoGo

        Sigh.
        No, it’s not black and white. I’d like to see the US have a more rational immigration policy, but I do not advocate for free immigration from every nation.

        And that doesn’t make me a xenophobe. Because I don’t fear or hate foreigners. I don’t blame all my problems on outsiders and I don’t elect leaders who pray on those fears.

        PS: I don’t claim to be an intellectual, although I will cop to being pretty leftist.

    • 0 avatar
      ToddAtlasF1

      Do you have locks on your doors? You must hate your neighbors.

      • 0 avatar
        VoGo

        No. I don’t lock our car or house doors. And I do not tell people like you where I live.

        Why are you asking? Are you trying to threaten my family?

        • 0 avatar
          ToddAtlasF1

          You’re a greater threat to your family than I’ll ever be. I didn’t ask if you locked your doors. I only asked if you had locks. Your problem may just be one of capability.

    • 0 avatar
      Pch101

      About 75-80% of those who oppose these ideas voted for Brexit:

      Multi-culturalism
      Social liberalism
      Immigration
      Environmentalism
      Feminism

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-7-graphs-that-explain-how-brexit-won-eu-explained-a7101676.html

      Essentially, it was a vote against the modern world, i.e. reality.

      • 0 avatar
        Kenmore

        You never get to choose with whom you partner to fight the really big threats. And some of them may later turn out to be even worse.

        28, that’s your cue :-)

        Hint: big moustache

      • 0 avatar
        markf

        Everything you listed are the complete opposite of the reality……

        • 0 avatar
          VoGo

          markf,
          No fair keeping all the drugs for yourself. PCH cited a credible source. What have you cited?

          • 0 avatar
            markf

            “Essentially, it was a vote against the modern world, i.e. reality.”

            I didn’t realize his opinion was a “credible source”

            If you actually read the article it is just some silly poll asking people who voted for the exit what words they didn’t like.

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            markf, those two clowns and a couple of others are what’s wrong with ttac, and why the EIC is desperately trying to change things for the better, before VerticalScope cuts their losses and pulls the plug on ttac.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            markf,
            Either you are very confused or trolling. PCH cited The Independent – it’s a centrist British online news source. That’s what I was referring to as the credible source. Not his opinion. Do you see how these are different?

            Polls are only silly when they tell you something you don’t want to hear. Which means that for you, every poll about the US presidential election will be “silly” for the next 4+ months.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            HDC,
            We can always count on you to use an insult whenever someone disagrees with you.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @VoGo –

            “Forget it, he’s rolling.”

            Animal House.

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            I would just like to point out I was following the Brexit vote before it was in and I only recall a single outlet suggesting that the vote to leave would pass. With so many news outlets suggesting the people would overwhelmingly vote to stay in, I would be wary about believing any of the polls coming out of the U.K.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            Some of you folks need to learn the difference between an exit poll and a predictive one.

            The figures above are from an exit poll.

      • 0 avatar
        mtmmo

        Hmmm problem is the BPC (British Polling Council) launched a formal inquiry into how the polling statistics have been collected by firms such as Ashcroft. The same firm that provides exit polling statistics to media outlets such as the Independent. The BPC report cited “significant bias” in their exit polling methods and will be issuing recommendations in the coming months. But don’t let that get in the way of your hatred for BREXIT voters.

    • 0 avatar
      jkross22

      I disagree with people who voted differently than I would have. Therefore they fear and hate foreigners.

      Got it.

      • 0 avatar
        markf

        You just summed up the left perfectly.

        • 0 avatar
          VoGo

          Why are you so focused on putting words into people’s mouths and turning them into enemies?

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “Why are you so focused on putting words into people’s mouths and turning them into enemies?”

            Love requires sharing.

            Sharing requires struggle.

            Struggle requires faith.

            Faith requires love.

            Hate is a much simpler primal emotion.

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        It’s funny to see how data throws these clowns into a tailspin.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          Pch101 – yes. True. I was reading a news interview with UNIFOR economist Jim Stanford. He stated that NAFTA actually raised the standard of living for Canadians. This is a guy who works for the BIGGEST TRADE UNION in Canada. You’d think that one of their mouth pieces would be anti-NAFTA.

          “The material conditions for the Brexit vote were laid by the failure of EU integration and globalization more generally to lift living standards as promised by all the economic models,”

          Brexit failed because of a lack of integration.

          WOW

          Lets exit the EU and make integration worse.

  • avatar
    chris724

    People like VoGo are why Trump will be the next president. Irritating!

    • 0 avatar
      VoGo

      I would think it had more to do with the 15 million that voted for him in the primary. But if I do have the power to elect Trump, PLEASE, somebody remove it from me.

      Wait, hold on. As it turns out, I actually do not have the power to elect presidents. Apparently, there is this thing called an electoral college. Who knew?

  • avatar
    VoGo

    I have some just terrible news for all of you haters of global trade and the environment. The US, Canada and Mexico (Yes, gasp, THAT Mexico) just agreed to work together to raise the % of electricity from clean sources to 50% by 2025.

    So while you were crowing about Brexit — which is something that might not actually happen — the real action was further alignment of the US with its largest trade partners.

    Where are your black helicopters now?

    • 0 avatar
      rpn453

      I suppose “clean sources” means natural gas.

      • 0 avatar
        VoGo

        No fossil fuels, but it does include nuclear, which is disappointing.

        As it turns out, the agreement is more PR than anything. The relentless reductions in the costs of solar and wind power are driving out coal and other fossil fuels rather quickly.

        That’s the other bad news for haters of the environment / climate deniers. The free market they worship with such abandon is crushing their precious coal industry. How sad for the coal mine owners and their declining wealth. Boo hoo!

        • 0 avatar
          rpn453

          Still, even with nuclear, that does seem impressive if they actually hit 50% without fossil fuels. Hard to imagine such a thing from my northern climate. Just ten years ago, none of that stuff could come close to competing with the 2 cents or so per kW-hr that it cost to generate power from coal. It seemed like a waste of such a finite and valuable resource to instead burn natural gas for stationary power generation, but that was the direction we were headed.

          I don’t think it’s bad news for any common person if we can generate power for less cost and environmental impact than what fossil fuels provide. Those opposed to the changes simply fear seeing their immediate quality of life reduced by the ideologies of others, even if the long term effects would be beneficial. They’ll welcome the positive change if it happens naturally.

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          mtmmo

          Sadly there’s that Leftist m.o. rearing it’s ugly head again by characterizing anyone who doesn’t agree with their point of view as: “hater of the environment / climate deniers”.

          “The relentless reductions in the costs of solar and wind power are driving out coal and other fossil fuels rather quickly”. Actual facts on electric generation: 35% Coal, 33% Natural Gas, 22% Nuclear, 8% Hydro, 4% Wind, .5% Solar. The rest made up of Geothermal, Biomass, and other gases. So is Wind & Solar “driving out coal”? No not even close and no amount of Leftist anger and hatred can make that ridiculous statement true.

          Next time pick a topic where a close family member of mine isn’t a nationally recognized expert in (Generation & Distribution, Smart Grid).

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            mtmmo,
            Look not only at today’s production, but look at the trends. Coal production is falling fast as solar capacity is coming online. Within 5 years, solar will be the cheapest means of production, with wind not far behind. It’s simple progress.

    • 0 avatar
      Reino

      Except the EU is far more complex than NAFTA. Trade agreements are just one aspect of the EU. There are far more other issues at stake in BREXIT. For example the fact that the EU has been funneling money from wealth countries (UK, Germany) to prop up the debt of bankrupted countries (Greece, Spain). This is something NAFTA does not do.

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    stevenrogers

    Jaguar should make some Supercar which is powerful to stand aside with all the present supercars and which is cheaper as price stays in a Million.
    This is how Jaguar will make his marks on the ground easily

  • avatar

    Is this “The Truth About Cars” or “Undereducated Xenophobic Racists Spout Economic and Political Nonsense?”

    • 0 avatar
      VoGo

      Depends on the day of the week.

      -Monday: The Truth about Cars
      -Tuesday: Yay Ford! Day
      -Wednesday: Undereducated Xenophobic Racists Spout Economic and Political Nonsense Day
      -Thursday: Yay Ford Day, again
      -Friday: Anything Goes
      -Saturday: Midsize Diesel Pickup Debate
      -Sunday: “I hate on Tesla because change is scary” Day
      -Holidays: Bring back Mercury because I miss seeing Jill Wagner Day


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