By on March 28, 2016

2016 Infiniti Q70L 3.7 AWD, image: © 2016 Jeff Voth/The Truth About Cars

2016 Infiniti Q70L 3.7 AWD

3.7-liter DOHC V6, VVEL, CVVTCS (330 horsepower @ 7,000 rpm; 270 pounds-feet @ 5,200 rpm)

Seven-speed automatic, all-wheel drive

18 city / 24 highway / 20 combined (EPA Rating, MPG)

20.5 (Observed, MPG)

Base Price (Q70L 3.7 AWD): $54,405 (U.S.)/$66,395 (Canada)

As Tested: $63,255 (U.S.)/$66,780 (Canada)

All prices include $905 destination fee (U.S.) or $2,095 destination fee, PDI and A/C tax (Canada).

It’s been somewhat challenging in the recent past to keep up with all the model name changes at Infiniti, but such is the case in the automotive luxury marketplace. One year real names are the ultimate fashion statement; the next it’s letters and numbers.

Infiniti seems to have taken this into consideration with naming its 2016 Infiniti Q70L 3.7 AWD.

In simple terms, Qs followed by a number to denote models’ “size” in the range replace Ms and Gs. Simplicity, they say. This is the New World Order of Models, according to Infiniti and its then-President Johan de Nysschen.

Exterior

Infiniti designs all of its vehicles with the concept of nature at the forefront. This is not a tree-hugging philosophy in the truest sense, although natural wood products are typically found throughout the interior. Rather, it’s a desire on the part of its designers to allow the wind to sculpt exterior body panels and strike a balance between aerodynamic efficiency and the call of the wild.

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The 2016 Infiniti Q70L 3.7 AWD is no exception to this rule. Designed specifically for the Chinese marketplace, where the size of your luxury sedan is so very important, this Q70L provides an extra 6-inches of overall body length. The look is similar to the regular sized Q70 sedan, but this Grande Edition has been stretched from all four corners to add valuable street cred in Shanghai.

Light bounces off the Hermosa Blue metallic hood and fender flares with a radiance few luxury sedans can match. In my opinion, Infiniti has a way with exterior design unlike any other Japanese automaker in this market. In comparison, looking at a Lexus and Acura does not evoke inspiration.

Whereas I appreciate the new grille design featured on the current Lexus LS, the rest of the car is visually quiet. And, although something new must be coming soon from Acura to replace the current RLX, it looks like nothing more than an oversized Honda Accord with refined LED headlights.

Love it or hate it, the Infiniti stands alone.

2016 Infiniti Q70L 3.7 AWD Interior, Image: © 2016 Jeff Voth/The Truth About Cars

Interior

If the outside is designed with nature as the theme, the inside is crafted with a “driver’s first” playbook with a clear purpose that luxury demands leather, wood and a considerable amount of brushed metal and chrome.

Rather than go all-digital with the look and feel of the central gauges, Infiniti goes all-Nissan and provides an easy-to-read, timeless design with its round white on black speedometer and tachometer. In the center, a rectangular digital readout indicates outside temperature, fuel range, gear selection and more, but that’s it. As someone who spends a lot of time behind the wheel of many different luxury sedans, simple is a nice change from many of today’s overly-complex offerings.

2016 Infiniti Q70L 3.7 AWD Instrument Panel, Image: © 2016 Jeff Voth/The Truth About Cars

Climate controlled front seats offer excellent support and adjustment. Leather stitching adds to the look and function, and side bolsters jut out to increase support but never intrude to the point of discomfort. A 4-spoke steering wheel provides easy access to a multitude of features, including the obligatory cruise control and audio system. I enjoy the feel of the steering wheel in my hands. I am less impressed with steering feel, however, as it seems ponderous at low speeds and overly sensitive when driving on the highway. The 2016 Infiniti Q70L 3.7 AWD is long to begin with, thus I’d prefer that the steering setup take this into account and shrink the driving experience to something closer to midsize. It doesn’t.

2016 Infiniti Q70L 3.7 AWD Front Seats, Image: © 2016 Jeff Voth/The Truth About Cars

Satin metal, chrome and — in our case — the optional White Ash silver-powdered wood trim combine to provide a pleasing space to spend quality time. The center console flows towards its front seat occupants like a wave cresting on the beach; easy to reach and logically designed. For those old enough to remember hands on a clock, Infiniti maintains its tradition of including an analogue timekeeper — with chrome bezel and white face, of course.

2016 Infiniti Q70L 3.7 AWD Clock, Image: © 2016 Jeff Voth/The Truth About Cars

Rear seat space is exceptional and there is so much legroom that I find it hard to reach the back of the front seat. Our test vehicle is equipped with optional interior ambient lighting, which makes getting in and out at night a little more entertaining.

Infotainment

Bose Surround Sound provides audio if ordering the optional Deluxe Technology Package equipped in our tester. A total of 16 speakers are strategically placed throughout the interior, several of which are located on the tops of the front seats next to the headrest.

For those not yet ready to fully embrace the coming digital-only world, a CD player is included. Sounds quality is impressive, with crisp highs and seemingly bottomless lows, but I have experienced better in other luxury sedans, including the aforementioned Lexus LS with its 19-speaker Mark Levinson system.

Touchscreen navigation features voice-recognition and turn-by-turn directions plus NavTraffic to make your commute a little easier. Birdview and 3D building imagery compliments this already slick system. Lane guidance and up to three-day weather forecasts are included, plus Google calendar and various other features for the first 6 months as part of the Infiniti Connection package.

2016 Infiniti Q70L 3.7 AWD Engine, Image: © 2016 Jeff Voth/The Truth About Cars

Powertrain

If ever there was a gasoline-powered engine that deserves to be in the powertrain Hall of Fame, this is it. Based on the Nissan’s time-honoured 3.7-liter 24-valve V6, this variation produces 330 horsepower and 270 pounds-feet of torque. Mated to a seven-speed automatic transmission with Adaptive Shift Control, all-wheel drive pushes forward with a commanding sense of all-weather control.

Drive

Power delivery is smooth, though I am a little underwhelmed dealing with the added mass of the L. For the most part, there is still plenty of torque to accelerate in traffic, on to the highway, or haul down my favorite country road with just a little too much abandon for the posted speed limit. If it is extra speed you want, consider moving up to the 5.6-liter model. The added price of just under $14,000 is steep, but the power curve spikes with an additional 86 hp and 144 lbs-ft of torque.

While I may not be overly impressed with steering feel — or the lack thereof — I am pleasantly surprised at the stopping power and control provided by the Q70L 3.7 AWD. It stops on a buck, not a dime, but it handles panic with ease for a sedan of this size. Equipped with 20-inch alloy wheels, 245/40R20 all-season tires, and technology advancements at the ready, even a surprising snowfall and the subsequent unprepared drivers are not enough to ruffle the serenity of my drive.

2016 Infiniti Q70L 3.7 AWD Wheel, Image: © 2016 Jeff Voth/The Truth About Cars

EPA rates city and highway fuel economy at 18 and 24 mpg. We average 20.5 mpg over the course of a week, placing us right in the middle of where Infiniti hopes we will be.

The price of our 2016 Infiniti Q70L 3.7 AWD test vehicle comes in at $63,550 including a destination charge of $905. This places the Infiniti slightly above a comparably equipped 2016 Acura RLX at $61,868 (including $940 destination). Compare this to a 2016 Lexus LS 460 L at $87,380 (including $950 destination) and the Q70L 3.7 AWD looks like a steal.

To be fair, the more direct comparison for the Lexus LS 460 is the Infiniti Q70L 5.6 AWD, but with more horsepower and torque available with the Infiniti and a lower price of about $10,000 comparably equipped, Lexus clearly indicates they are more interested in taking on its German competitors and not its Asian counterparts. Even with a sleek-looking Genesis G90 lurking around the corner in 2016, Infiniti appears well positioned to maintain its share of the very desirable, luxury sedan marketplace.

Disclosure: Infiniti Canada provided the vehicle and insurance for this review.

[Images: © 2016 Jeff Voth/The Truth About Cars]

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97 Comments on “2016 Infiniti Q70L 3.7 AWD Review – Go Long, China...”


  • avatar
    Dan

    This isn’t a review. It’s ad copy.

    What’s happening to this place?

    • 0 avatar
      heavy handle

      I was going to say that! This article goes in the hall of shame.

      “The center console flows towards its front seat occupants like a wave cresting on the beach; easy to reach and logically designed.”

      • 0 avatar
        CoreyDL

        “Light bounces off the Hermosa Blue metallic hood and fender flares with a radiance few luxury sedans can match. In my opinion, Infiniti has a way with exterior design unlike any other Japanese automaker in this market.”

        I think I saw that in the brochure at the dealer.

      • 0 avatar
        30-mile fetch

        I rather thought the center console looks more like a landslide piling up at the base of the shifter.

        It’s a wave on the beach if you like it, a slumping mountainside if you don’t.

    • 0 avatar
      NotFast

      I test drove a standard Q70 3.7 a few months ago and completely disagree with the driving dynamics. The engine seemed OK, but the transmission was horrible off the line. It felt like total mush. I guess putting it into Sport mode might help, but that doesn’t seem like a good fix.

      The interior is good, but I couldn’t get past the transmission/engine dynamics. Strangely, this review on The TRUTH About Cars doesn’t seem to mention it either.

    • 0 avatar
      30-mile fetch

      “…all-wheel drive pushes forward with a commanding sense of all-weather control.”

      Followed immediately by:

      “I am a little underwhelmed dealing with the added mass of the L.”

      I know which of those reads a bit too much like a brochure, but I don’t know which one to believe.

    • 0 avatar
      tonycd

      Completely agree, Dan. I was going to say it if nobody else did. I’m not sure we needed a report extolling the virtues of M37 sheetmetal, analog gauges and ambient lighting in the luxury class.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      I will be objectively critical, without using invective, of both the review and the vehicle reviewed:

      REVIEW

      – No mention of ride quality (pretty important in this class)

      – No mention of interior noise nor exhaust note at cruise or wot

      – No mention of transmission behavior

      VEHICLE

      – Hideous, vomit-inducing dashboard design/shape, material (straight out of a Sentra plastics or whatever tf they are), and color (suicide grey)

      – Absolutely generic exterior that could be a prop car stand-in for NCIS Wherever

      – Nissan can shove their ancient, agrarian 3.7 liter and the $60k price tag of this POS directly up their CEO’s a$$hole.

    • 0 avatar
      Nellakwah

      Yes, this is pretty bad – especially for a site like this. Might as well be a MT “First test review”.

  • avatar
    SMIA1948

    Great. A luxury car review with no mention of ride quality.

    • 0 avatar
      TonyJZX

      Moreso the point, this is a review of the Q70L – so where’s the pictures of the back seat.

      The back seat is the sole reason for this car’s existence.

    • 0 avatar
      VW16v

      Who cares about ride quality. It’s all about that ridiculous clock. That is soooo luxurious. This could be a fun car to leave. Design is to trendy looking for a purchase.

  • avatar
    badhobz

    In vancouver bc where I live there is a huge Chinese population. I doubt this long wheel base model will cater towards the asian demographic as nobody’s even buying the regular shorty Q’s.

    Chinese people dont care about long wheel base or short. they care about the damn badge up front. Get that sorted first, and then you can make it as long or as short as you want to.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      What about in mainland China? I have never been, but I keep hearing about the importance of LWB sedans.

      • 0 avatar
        PrincipalDan

        The truly important Chinese are driven as much as they drive.

        • 0 avatar
          badhobz

          Driver’s are dirt cheap in shanghai. My uncle has one and he’s only a lowly party cadre. his “limo” of choice is the A8 which in RMB is quite affordable.

          Is LWB important? yes and no. For the rich people they still want to get driven in European luxury. Anything japanese carries an anti japanese sentiment . Koreans are seen as cheap. American brands are doing quite well in China. Especially Buick and Cadillac.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Buick should thank their stars that the guy in the ’50s there loved being seen in a Buick. That’s still carrying them!

          • 0 avatar
            RideHeight

            Do expat Chinese have the same aversion to Japanese brands? And if mainland Chinese do, how realistic if this Nissan intended explicitly for them?

      • 0 avatar
        CarnotCycle

        I recall the Norks conveying the recently expired Dear Leader in an ancient chromed-out Cadillac to internment in the People’s Flagland Base or whatever they call it.

        There does seem an odd sentiment among elders of mainland Asia for vast sedans with a loud arrogance as only Americans and Germans traditionally contrive.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          Lincoln Continentals, not Cadillacs. The Lincolns belonged to his father, Kim Il-Sung, and were believed to be threat protected for their time. Kim Jong-Il was more found of Mercedes (as was his father for his private sedans).

          http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02094/jong-korea_2094882i.jpg

          http://www.businessinsider.com/kim-jong-il-funeral-2011-12

      • 0 avatar
        Kyree S. Williams

        That’s true, especially because in certain parts of China, it is considered taboo to have as nice or a nicer car than that of your boss. So if he drives a 5-Series, you’d have to go with nothing nicer than a 3-Series. So the long-wheelbase 3-Series allows the Chinese employee to have a car that’s as big as that of his boss…without being as *nice*.

        But, like someone else said, the Chinese are also badge-conscious. If it’s not a desirable brand to start with, it doesn’t matter how long you make the car.

  • avatar

    BIGGER, BIGGER, BIGGER

    If the Chinese are demanding larger cars then I truly was correct from the very beginning.

    Yeah there are “some people” who can get by with a 2-door-coupe, less mass and a “manewalll” – but the entire other rest of the planet has bigger dreams than that which include:

    #1 space for baby
    #2 space for groceries
    #3 legspace
    #4 shoulder-room
    #5 head space…

    I’d take a loaded Genesis over this uglyness.

    • 0 avatar
      CoreyDL

      Course you would, Hyundai feeds your bank account.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        He does have a point, though…which is impressive. A stuck clock is right twice a day, and all that.

        • 0 avatar
          CoreyDL

          I’m just tired of the FCA/Hyundai hyperbole.

          You want a semi truck to haul steel? Hellcat.
          Looking for a practical minivan? Genesis Coupe.
          Want an armored car? Kia Soul
          Need an RV? Pacifica.

          • 0 avatar
            RideHeight

            It is HE who channels Mongo.

            I wonder if he’s ever punched a horse.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            A horse paid him $2,000 just to get punched!

          • 0 avatar
            RideHeight

            Celebrity!

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            True, BTSR’s slavish devotion to the Church of Hellcat and Hyundai is tiresome, but honestly, a Genesis would be a very good alternative to this Infiniti. Heck, at a $64,000 sticker an Equus might even be a better bet.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            The gen 1 Equus was kind of a mess, and I feel like the gen 2 while an improvement, is not quite there yet.

            All I had to do on a gen 1 was peek inside at the sloppy seat embroidery, then grab the cheap, plastic door handle. Nope nope. Not ready yet.

    • 0 avatar
      Von

      #1 They are only allowed to have ONE baby.
      #2 Majority of groceries are still bought in neighborhood markets, mainly because many still do not have cars, and those that do, parking is at a premium in Chinese cities.
      #3,4,5 Chinese people are not generally known for their large leg/shoulder/heads or anything else.

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    I saw this model at the auto show, assuming full sticker, its much more of a buy over Q50, IMO.

  • avatar
    jkk6

    Car looks like a Panamera wanna be like the Crosstour/3 and 5 GT and can be leased at 5~700 monthly pmt level. Style is starting to grow on me on to which they only sell about 2000 units yearly. Very rare. Just can’t get passed the fact that it’s a G37 jacked up that recently sold for $34k starting.

    • 0 avatar
      CoreyDL

      “Just can’t get passed the fact that it’s a G37 jacked up that recently sold for $34k starting.”

      Past, past the fact. Not passed. And that “fact” is wrong.

      The G37 is now the Q50.
      The M37 is now the Q70.

  • avatar
    VoGo

    I just can’t think of an Infiniti, Nissan or Cadillac that I would truly want to own, or would recommend. GT-R, I guess.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      I’m not sure what sort of models you like, but I would check out one of these in the future. Here are some extra clean MY15s

      MY15 Infiniti Q70 RWD V6

      03/02/16 ORLANDO Factory $37,400 6,549 Avg SILVER 6G O Yes
      03/02/16 ORLANDO Factory $36,800 6,833 Avg WHITE 6G A Yes
      03/24/16 RIVRSIDE Factory $35,000 7,385 Avg WHITE 6G A Yes
      03/02/16 ORLANDO Factory $41,600 7,640 Above BLUE 6G A No
      03/01/16 NASHVILL Regular $38,500 9,153 Above WHITE 6G A Yes
      03/21/16 MISS Factory $37,700 11,808 Avg WHITE 6G A Yes
      02/24/16 DALLAS Factory $35,800 12,160 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes

      Now look at some MY12s in M37 form, which is basically the same thing.

      MY12 Infiniti M37 RWD V6

      3/10/16 TX HOBBY Regular $23,500 39,793 Above BLACK 6G A Yes
      02/24/16 PALM BCH Factory $26,400 41,357 Above BLACK OB 6G A No
      03/09/16 ORLANDO Factory $26,200 41,579 Above SILVER 6G A No
      02/24/16 NASHVILL Regular $20,500 59,394 Avg BLUE 6G A Yes

      (NOTE: The rest level off around 20 up to about 80K miles)

      The LS460 is the better choice but you’re still paying upwards of 1/3rd more, why not step into a Q70 in two years for 20K +/- 4? Can you own an Infiniti M37/Q70 out of warranty? Ask Corey.

      MY12 Lexus LS460 RWD

      02/25/16 RIVRSIDE Lease $32,000 37,748 Avg GOLD 8G A Yes
      03/08/16 ORLANDO Lease $32,200 38,349 Avg BLACK 8G A Yes
      03/09/16 PITTSBGH Regular $31,500 40,333 Avg BLUE 8G A Yes
      03/16/16 SEATTLE Regular $33,500 41,696 Above BLACK 8G A Yes
      02/23/16 ORLANDO Lease $29,200 48,868 Avg BLACK 8G A Yes
      03/07/16 TX HOBBY Lease $28,000 69,484 Below BLACK 8G A Yes

      • 0 avatar
        CoreyDL

        Mine’s seven years old now! Here’s what’s gone wrong:

        -Rear sway bar bushings

        The end.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          This is going to sound obscure, but I wonder how long the rear main seals are good for? Labor was killer the last time I had one of those done.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Hmm no idear.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Its one of those saving ten cents on a seal costs the end user $2,000 in labor at some later date things, the kind the domestics are known for… I know Lexus would not cheap out but what of Infiniti?

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        That is some spectacular depreciation, 28.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          Indeed, but both models should make fine used cars unlike their German counterparts.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Personally, I’d stick with a Lexus if that was my goal, but you’re probably right – anything would be better than a three-year-old BMW.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I would have considered the LS as well, and would like to have one – but they were not available with AWD until later on (2010, 2011 perhaps) and that was out of me price range.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @Corey

            Time for a new used car.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I have no cause to get rid of the M! It’s not even at 61k miles yet, ha.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @Corey

            Pfft. Lex it up.

            Maybe 28 will give you 11 for yours…

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            But then I gotta spend lots of money like Dal did, replacing front upper handlebar arms.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Its 2016, get an MY11 and avoid that problem. Go to Florida and grease Flybrian’s hands for one off the block. Done deal.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            What am I, made o money?!

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Yes and it won’t spend itself.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            My driveway needs a redo, and an extension on one part of it, so’s I can easily park three cars instead of two.

            In which the third spot I will find a Riviera or Reatta, probs.

            https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/5477914826.html

            My other issue is not wanting a car payment. I’ve never had one.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I am conflicted. The Church is behind your driveway plan in order to acquire said Riviera or Reatta, yet 28 seeks to preach from the Book of LS460.

      • 0 avatar
        nitroxide

        I own a 2011 Infiniti M37 AWD. Bought it used two years ago with 55,000 on the clock. Mine has 85,000 on it now. Problems with it:

        None. Replaced tires at 75,000 miles which is excellent for performance all-seasons. Changed oil every 5,000 miles. That’s it.

        The Sport mode lightens the throttle, holds the gears longer and brings alive the engine. The exhaust note is musical. It’s a muscular V-6 growl but it’s barely audible at idle and a sonorous roar at WOT. It’s also a blast to drive.

        The interior had held up remarkably well, with minimal wear. The leather is sumptuous, may if he touch points are very soft, very nice plastic, and they do not Crack or even crease over time. It’s a beautiful interior, it really is.

        My only gripes are that the drivers footwear is somewhat narrow, though that may be a case of me man-spreading too much. The back seat in the regular, non-L version has tons of room and is very comfortable for regular sized adults.

        • 0 avatar
          CoreyDL

          You’re making me wonder if mine has a sport switch with the snow one in the console. I can’t even remember.

          What tires did you put on? I’ve still got the ghastly RS-As.

  • avatar
    30-mile fetch

    “Even with a sleek-looking Genesis G90 lurking around the corner in 2016, Infiniti appears well positioned to maintain its share of the very desirable, luxury sedan marketplace.”

    Can we really say this? The non-stretched Q70 hasn’t sold anywhere near the volume of other midsize luxury cars like the 5 series, E class, A6 or even GS. Even the Genesis sells far more. Will stretching the wheelbase of a midsize lux car to give it the legroom of a full sizer really double the total Q70 sales? Because that’s what it would need to do to sell as well as a Lexus LS.

  • avatar
    Ltd1983

    A nice car… in 2010. Seriously, what is with Infiniti’s development cycle lately?

    Needs more than a new name to stay competitive. The fact that they still offer an NA 5.6 V8 in this thing is ancient. The real money in this segment now is in boosted fours and sixes.

    I can’t fathom who is buying this new for $60k over a 5er or E-Class. Especially when you can pick up a nearly identical 6 year old model for under $15k all day long.

    • 0 avatar
      PrincipalDan

      Personally I thank them that they still offer a V8… mmmmmmm the sound and feel of a V8.

      • 0 avatar
        Ltd1983

        It is cool, but it’s not what the market is demanding.

        Even if you have to have a V8, a 4 liter-ish turbo V8 from the competitors has 50-100 hp more, with much better MPGs.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      “The real money in this segment now is in boosted fours and sixes.”

      I disagree, I think most people accept these but don’t necessarily want them.

      • 0 avatar
        Ltd1983

        Debating if they want them, or are merely accepting them is kind of a pointless ethereal argument, the point is they’re choosing to actually purchase them in much greater numbers. Automakers can’t profit on aspirations, they need sales…

        And people do have a choice, this exists if you’re into old NA hardware.

        But no one is really buying this, they’re buying the boosted competition in much greater numbers. Even Lexus saw the light and lost their lump of an NA six in the IS250.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          I truly don’t know anyone shopping the Q70, the Lex LS, or S-Class, but I do know people shopping the next level down in new or CPO form. No one has talked “car” to me about them at all, its just all been about either the look and feel of the model OR the badge.

          I had a conversation with my best friend’s father on Saturday night whom I have known for about 24 years. A buy and hold GM convert, he seemed to gloss over the half a dozen trips back to the dealer on his CPO MY14? C300 to laud the fit and finish of the Benz to me vs his wife’s Subaru Outback. Evidently the cruise control was a thing of awe to him, just a switch (I’m parapharsing) none of that reset/accel button crap. Feels so solid like a bank vault and 34mpg to Erie with AWD! Goes right up his driveway. Nothing like his Acura (RL, which was also a shop queen for some reason).

          Not once did he mention a motor to me, I wouldn’t be surprised if he wasn’t even aware it was an I4. Mercedes impressed him and knowing him as I do, he will continue to be impressed as long as he doesn’t attempt to own it out of warranty (which there’s a 50/50 shot of happening IMO). When I was in grade school, he bought and held an 87 Cadillac Deville (4100 for the uninitiated). While it had many problems, I do know he sold it running when he got a company car around 1993. Now twenty plus years later having another problematic car is apparently acceptable if it meets other criteria, motor notwithstanding. In my view, the “market” is not demanding turbo cool. If six hamsters could deliver around 200 ft-tq @ 5000 rpm, Mercedes could offer it and most customers wouldn’t notice a difference.

          • 0 avatar
            Ltd1983

            Oh okay, I don’t disagree with that at all.

            I don’t think the customers are particularly shopping for one type of engine, but I do think they pay attention to MPG’s and power, and this is where Infiniti is behind the pack sporting coarser, larger, NA engines.

            Right now the “numbers shoppers” are going to smaller turbo engines not because they necessarily want (or even understand) one, but because it gives them the better numbers they’re wanting, and a good driving experience.

          • 0 avatar
            heavy handle

            FYI, the 2014 C300 is a V6 (same V6 as the C350 and Canadian market C250 4Matic). The next generation C300 uses a 4.

            I’m surprised it’s a shop queen. A friend just got past 100,000 miles (160,000 km) with his C350 with absolutely no issues. Loves it so much he bought his wife a GLC to replace her MDX.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @Ltd1983

            Aside from the example I gave, the other three or so people I know shopping were more concerned about badges and other trivial things (can I get AWD? Does my phone work with it? heated/cooled seats? etc). Maybe fuel economy is a concern but just isn’t discussed in passing? My school of thought is when you’re shopping luxury, fuel economy is second fiddle at best but with the deluge of entry level luxury models which aren’t the most luxurious (i.e. Merc CLA) maybe it is more important than I realize. Infiniti is certainly behind the curve in this respect.

            @heavy handle

            I honestly don’t know if his is a 2014 or 2015, I do know it was a “demo” with 6K when he purchased it last fall and this was his first German car which apparently was a big deal (my initial reaction was really you can’t pony up for the E-class?). His father neglected to mention shop status to me, but my best friend indicated Dad had been bitching about having to return it for loaners. Two things come to mind, his father finds fault with stupid things and its not really that bad OR as much as he bitches now that he’s retired he’s willing to deal with it to get the perceived benefits (if you’re 40 with two kids its more annoying to be in the shop much than when you’re 65 and retired with not much to do).

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            How do you get a bad RL?! The only thing wrong with the later ones (05-08) was the peely button labels and wrinkle prone center console leather.

            Only thing wrong with the 09-12 was the beaky styling, and the fact that they’re impossible to find used because nobody bought them new.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @Corey,

            He had this thing for awhile, it may have been an MY06 or 07. I’m not really sure what was wrong with it, which leads me back to this man may just find fault with stupid sh*t. I told him it was time for a Corvette but evidently the formerly entry level Benz has won him over (for the time being).

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Well he likes 4100 Devilles and shop time Benz products, yet the RL is the issue.

            He’s a Bizarro car owner.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            You figured it out.

            On the 4100, this guy is the son of Italian immigrants and like many of his time prized Cadillac as a sign of “making it”. Come to think of it, when this man was about 35 he had two kids, a new Cadillac, and a newer house (70s construction) with an associate’s in E.E. This really gives me some perspective on how f***ed up things are in 2016…

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            He would now have two kids, a used 3.0 CTS, and a small condo, assuming he also has an MBA.

        • 0 avatar
          Kyree S. Williams

          Of course, the 2.5-lier V6 in the Lexus IS250 was anemic (as was the 2.5-liter V6 in the Infiniti G25 Journey)…but you’re spot on.

          IMO, the Lexus 2.0T isn’t quite as good as the ones from the Germans or Americans, but it’s close enough.

          • 0 avatar
            Ltd1983

            I completely forgot about the G25, another lump.

            I’m still not entirely convinced on the smaller turbo engines for fuel ecomony either. I know they rate well on low-load EPA tests, but in the real world, where you have to use that boost, some of them are terrible.

            I put 2500 pretty easy miles on a FWD 2.0 Ecoboost Escape, and averaged 21 mpg, the EPA rating is 30 mpg highway.

            On that same route in an Altima with the NA 2.5 four, I averaged 37 mpg, and it’s rated at 38 highway.

            I’ve seen this with a lot of the midsizers, bigger NA fours might not be as refined as the optional, smaller turbo fours, but they do well in real world MPGs.

  • avatar
    Chocolatedeath

    I am an Infiniti fanboi so I am biased. I have driven the 5.6 Long wheel base of this vehicle and like it. My only wish is that it had the driving and steering dynamics of the Q45’s of old. I like the shape better than Lexus. I like the interior despite some lower quality swithwork lower to the ground that others. I hate the fuel economy.

    What I want is this as a V8 hybrid.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      I’m sure the 5.6 version is nice…but now you’re basically looking at LS460 money. How do they compare? I’d think the Lexus would win that battle.

      • 0 avatar
        CoreyDL

        The 5.6 truck engine is not matching the 4.6 in the LS. In any way. And the MPG is awful too.

      • 0 avatar
        Chocolatedeath

        The LS is smoother in powertrain and it is quieter as well, however the LS steering is numb and lifeless. Exterior is of personal taste and I like the Q better than the LS. The Q is thirsty however I prefer the sound of it. I dont know maybe I like the sound of trucks. Their prices barley overlap as the Q tops out about 20 grand less than the LS at the top end that does not include the Hybrid.

  • avatar
    tonycd

    Additional nits:

    •”It has been somewhat challenging in the recent past to keep up with all the model name changes at Infiniti, but such is the case in the automotive luxury marketplace. One year real names are the ultimate fashion statement; the next it’s letters and numbers.” No, actually just about every luxury brand is using alphanumeric soup only, much as I loathe It. And Infiniti has replaced one meaningless set of alphanumeric gibberish with another, even more meaningless set (since the new set doesn’t even distinguish by letter between sizes as the old set did).

    •”Infiniti designs all its models with the concept of nature at the forefront.” Assaulting the greenhouse with the worst MPG in class across almost the entire line is funny way of showing it.

    •”Birdview and 3D building imagery compliments this already slick system.” One hopes the system blushes at the praise. I suspect “complements” is more what you meant.

    •”If ever there was a gasoline-powered engine that deserves to be in the powertrain Hall of Fame, this is it. Based on the Nissan’s time-honoured 3.7-liter 24-valve V6…” Given that any Hall of Fame is a museum, I guess this is one comment I’d agree with.

  • avatar
    Davekaybsc

    This thing was already old when it was launched back in 2011. Carryover overstuffed 3.7L that has all the refinement of a Soviet tractor engine? Check. Crappy 7-speed (JATCO I assume?) Check. Ye olde gauge cluster with monochrome display and Atari level graphics? Check. Same non-adjustable two-way lumbar as a Nissan Altima? Check. Postage stamp sized center info display? Check.

    The F10 BMW 5 series launched the same year as this car, and it’s better in every way. Same with the C7 Audi A6 that came a year later. Even the Lexus GS which I’ve never particularly liked at least looks current inside. This looks like it just flew in from 2005. Which is why no one buys them.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      “Carryover overstuffed 3.7L that has all the refinement of a Soviet tractor engine?”

      Fair criticism, but maybe the V8 feels/sounds better?

      “Crappy 7-speed (JATCO I assume?)”

      Why is it crappy?

      “Ye olde gauge cluster with monochrome display and Atari level graphics?”

      LCD screens in lieu of look *incredibly* cheap which is evident on Q50. I don’t care if you’re rolling a Bentley, nothing says cheap and tacky like a $23 dollar LCD dash screen in your high end car.

      “Same non-adjustable two-way lumbar as a Nissan Altima?”

      Fair criticism.

      “Postage stamp sized center info display?”

      I didn’t measure it, but its not a postage stamp. So when are you looking at this screen? Trip computer info which is seldom, navigation, which should just be done on your phone, and the stereo? I use the steering wheel controls on my whiz bang 2008 my car and I just listen to the tracks. You don’t need this screen for much, so why complain?

      “This looks like it just flew in from 2005.”

      Since its just an M37, you’re right. This works in its favor since the current crop of so called luxury designs have many problems associated with them. I think we still had adults making things in 2005. I will also add one of my own:

      “This doesn’t have a cockpit feel”

      The Q50 does, but this feels more sedate. I didn’t feel like a fighter pilot in it, so if that’s a prerequisite keep moving.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        With the V-8 and AWD (which I’m going to go with as necessary anywhere it snows, because no one wants to screw with winter tires for a car costing this much), you’re looking at upwards of $65-70,000. That’s a tough sell against something like a E-class Benz or an Audi A6.

        I also drove a G37 a few years back, and the engine wasn’t rough per se, but it sure was when driven back to back with a 335i.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          This is where Mercedes gets you. Build an E350:

          LED headlights are 1500
          Moonroof is 1050
          Wood/leather steering wheel is 590
          Black leather is 1,620 (as opposed to MB tex)
          Premium package with navigation is 4,180
          KEYLESS-GO is 900 (key fob replaces keys from what I can tell, not sure how this works without the package selected)

          So I’m at $63,315 without 4MATIC which didn’t even give me an option for… 4MATIC is apparently considered a diff model now for about 3K more to start. I’m not going through and building it again but suffice to say you’re in the 66K range with just those options selected (and I skipped a whole bunch of options). You could lose navigation (I would) but everyone tells me a Benz without navi is a poison pill in the aftermarket, so YMMV.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            True, but that’s the E350.

            Step up to the E400 AWD and a lot of that stuff now comes standard. If you stay away from the really silly options, you can get one with leather, Harmon/Kardon sound, nav and a panoramic sunroof for about $68,000. Plus, it’s a helluva car. That’s a way better deal than the E350.

            Amounts to a few thousand more for the Benz. I know which one most folks would opt for.

            (I know which seat my butt would be in too.)

            And that’s Infiniti’s problem – they haven’t built up enough brand equity to really compete at that price point.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I look at luxury brands today and I think its more popularity than equity. Nearly all of them have laid an egg or two, and some nearly the whole brand has become as such.

        • 0 avatar
          jkross22

          “you’re looking at upwards of $65-70,000.”

          True, but how many people are buying these cars vs leasing them? At that price, buying doesn’t make any sense.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            You’re right, that could be a consideration. I’d be interested in seeing how the leases work out. I’d guess that Infinitis would be less attractive due to lower resales, based on the figures 28 posted above. I’d imagine Lexus, in particular, would eat Infiniti’s lunch in this regard.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            Toyota is pretty “conservative” (i.e. greedy) with its residuals. Lexus lease terms often can’t compete with BMW’s, which is just silly given the real-world resale of both manufacturers’ products.

            A new LS is almost always north of $1000/month to lease.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @dal

            I’d say part of the high leasing cost in LS is the steep drop it suffers in two years, much like a European rival. What is the ES/RX leasing cost?

            @Freed

            Leasing is a whole other ball game, its more for the constant trader.

        • 0 avatar
          krhodes1

          @FreedMike

          So you end up with a car that GOES in the snow (sort of), but doesn’t stop or turn. Please stay far away from me when it snows… You can afford a $60K car, but you can’t afford the wheels and tires that make it safe for 1/3-1/2 the year?

          So many idiots in this country.

      • 0 avatar
        Davekaybsc

        Drive an Infiniti back to back with anything using the ZF 8-speed (BMW, Audi, Jag, etc) and you’ll quickly notice how mediocre this 7-speed box is. MB’s 7GTronic is also better, though not as good as the ZF autobox.

        LCD screens in the gauge cluster depends on how they are implemented. The Q70 screen looks like it’s from 1998. Look at the gauges in the A6 to see how an LCD screen can be made to look high quality. Hell even the upgraded display in the VW GTI looks 100X better than the Q70 screen, which is about the same as a base level Golf.

        The center display is small and looks quite dated compared to the “modern” competition, which includes cars that were launched at the same time.

        “Since its just an M37, you’re right. This works in its favor.”

        Uh ok. If “working in its favor” means absolutely pathetic sales compared to the 5 and E, then I guess the Q70 has everything in its favor.

        • 0 avatar
          Ltd1983

          For a good idea of just how dated this dash is, look at the current Altima. Made by the same company, and since 2013 it has been available for under $20k, with much nicer looking gauges and info screen.

          http://www.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2012/05/2013-Nissan-Altima-SL-instrument-gauges.jpg

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          I will take your word for it on the transmission, my experience was a trip around the block for a demo and some additional seat time at the auto show.

          I’m looking at pictures of an 2016 Audi A6’s interior and the 2016 Q70. Assuming the screen slides down into the dash as I have seen it done on E90 BMWs, I do see the difference to which you refer. A redesign of the center console aesthetics might do wonders on the Q70.

          Given the way it is though, I don’t hate it. I personally do not like the approach used in the GTI. Maybe in a VW price point some kind of all in one navi/stereo screen is appropriate but I feel as you pay buttons should be standard. The Audi is offering quite a few buttons and controls, I’m not sure what they all do but I imagine their offering is similar to Infiniti’s.

          The Germans own the luxury market in USDM, for the Q70 the high water mark in the past five sales years was 2010 with 14,618 units sold. The 5 series sold 56,863 for it’s high point, its not even a competition at roughly 4.5:1. However even with an Audi copied interior and even a no charge V8, the Q70 still isn’t going to touch the 5 series just as Cadillac will never be a serious German competitor. Until the market stops leasing the German three luxury brands, no one else can clearly dominate outside of perhaps a niche model (i.e. Lex RX might dominate CUV sales vs the Germans). I’m honestly not sure who Infiniti’s buyers happen to be, maybe bargain hunters?

          http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01/bmw-5-series-sales-figures.html

          http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/01/infiniti-q70-sales-figures-usa-canada.html

  • avatar
    TDIGuy

    Since we are picking on the nits:

    “For those not yet ready to fully embrace the coming digital-only world, a CD player is included.”

    A CD is digital. However for this Chinese market car, the player would have to be designed to make the best of poor quality duped CDs from the local market.

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