By on March 31, 2015

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With apologies to commenter CoreyDL, who artfully suggested that the CT6 would be a long wheelbase CT6, we stole your riff on the unfortunate slogan Cadillac uses in China. But nobody can really say that the CT6 doesn’t look like a stretched CTS.

The CT6 is, at least, all new under the skin, riding on GM’s new full-size RWD Omega platform. Along with a 2.0T 4-cylinder and a naturally aspirated 3.6L V6, a new 3.0L twin-turbo V6 debuts with 400 horsepower. While rear and all-wheel drive are available, the sole transmission is an 8-speed automatic.

The Omega architecture is aluminum intensive in its construction, which allows the CT6 to weigh in at around 3,700 lbs, impossibly light for a full size luxury sedan. Despite being 204 inches long, it should weigh in below a BMW 5 Series. Although the much loathed CUE system is in play, a 34 speaker sound system will at least make the music sound good – once you get it to play.

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91 Comments on “New York 2015: Cadillac CT6 Is Coming With Length...”


  • avatar
    bumpy ii

    So, it’s coming with length, and a big D…

    pillar.

  • avatar
    Astigmatism

    WOOD DASH! GIMME SOME!!!

    OK, I’m actually impressed. Of course, I wouldn’t buy one, so my being impressed doesn’t matter a whole heck of a lot. But I give them credit for an interior that legitimately separates itself design-wise from every other luxobarge out there.

    • 0 avatar

      Agreed. Like the tan interior best. Looks rich. Nice four spoke steering wheel. The gages look appropriately modern. In pics, looks very nice and richer than the Germans. Lots of leg room too, especially in the back, though in the front…

      I’m sure DW will be here soon and rip our heads off for enjoying this.

      • 0 avatar
        CoreyDL

        I agree on the interior. While the exterior leaves a lot to be desired IMO for a flagship vehicle (which is certainly going to cost a LOT), the interior reflects a CORRECT amount of wood for a large American luxury car. Excellent.

  • avatar
    Kevin Jaeger

    I’m not really in the market for one of these but I think it looks very nice. Looks like a very well done big brother of the CTS, which I might be in the market for.

  • avatar
    anti121hero

    A 4 banger and no v8. Not a flagship at ALL.

    • 0 avatar
      NoGoYo

      The wait for a big 2 door RWD V8 Cadillac continues.

      That’s all I waaaaaaaant…That’s all I want!

    • 0 avatar
      MBella

      What 4 banger? It will be powered by a Turbo V6.

    • 0 avatar

      As the commenter said in the previous article, take a look at the competition. Much more important, how does the engine behave, is the transmission well mated? V8, not really important anymore.

      • 0 avatar
        Mandalorian

        I’d argue having a V8 available even if it isn’t the volume engine is important. It separates the men from the boys in the class. If Cadillac wants this thing to be an alternative to the S-Class, it darn well better have a V8.

      • 0 avatar
        ellomdian

        Kind of hard for internet-commentariat to actually look at the competition, since they are so far removed from a target audience that light takes longer to reach them.

        Gimme a nice TT6 and a Diesel with Saturn-5 levels of torque, and an automatic transmission that shifts like someone swapped the transmission oil for butter. A ride that makes average and below roads feel like the skin on your latest 24-year-old toy’s lower stomach, and a hood that lines up nicely with the horizon.

        Pretty much what they are showing, but I am a little concerned that they may have spent too much time on toys. Who the fuck wants tablets bolted to the headrest? Its…so…tacky!

  • avatar
    Davekaybsc

    Well, at least the HVAC controls are hard buttons. The touch strip volume control under the screen though is DUMB. It looks cheesy, and I’m sure it will be a buggy mess. Cadillac: NO ONE LIKES TOUCH BUTTONS.

  • avatar
    AnotherMillenial

    The bias of this article is as amusing as it is shameless. ‘Tis to be expected nonetheless.

    The CT6 will eventually have a Twin-Turbo V8 as well. JdN announced that about two months ago, no date on when though. Outside of Cue it has an MMI-style touch pad, night-vision and rear-wheel-steer amongst other features.

    The tech suite of this new car is impressive and while the design is far from an Elmiraj (very conservative) it has a stately, powerful look unlike the derivative Continental.

    You don’t have to like the CT6. It’s not the greatest thing to ever grace an auto show or even the GM design studio. But it’s not utter sh!t as some people want to make it out to be.

    For the record, it’s not like the CLA is a massive departure from the S-Class or the A8 is drastically different from the A4. Same point goes for BMW.

    • 0 avatar
      MrGreenMan

      Will GM recognize the same mistake, every time it make its, as launching without the full complement of engines rehashes the Eco Malibu debacle?

      • 0 avatar
        AnotherMillenial

        GM doesn’t learn from mistakes, they change the name and try again next time.

        I expect them to have the TT V8 V-Sport or whatever it’s called in a year, since it took a year for the V variants of the ATS/CTS. But I agree, it’s a bad look for GM to delay that engine in such a pivotal car.

    • 0 avatar
      That guy

      BMWs mostly look the same
      Mercs mostly look the same
      Audis especially look alike

      These companies are selling brands, not models. That’s why they have alphanumeric names and such. It’s a proven strategy in the luxury world. That’s why Cadillac, Lexus, Jaguar, Infiniti, and every other brand trying to compete in the luxury world are doing it too.

    • 0 avatar

      I couple of day ago had mistaken S-class for A-class in traffic because it looked smaller than E-class. Only after I took notice of the badge in the back I was stunned how they could look so identical. What is the point of buying the car which looks like $80K cheaper than it really is. I can never distinguish 7 series from 5 series and A8 from A6 either.

  • avatar
    PRNDLOL

    Look at that side shot, now that is Fleetwood-like lengthy. Where’s the rear photo? I think the ATS looks a little truncated, and the CTS and little off in it sloping rear so I’m curious to see how this turned out. The interior is properly flagship, but is this enough to get Cadillac the upswing vibe again? I’m not sure.

  • avatar
    Mr. Orange

    It has heated/cooled/massaging seats for 4 passengers. They put some thought into it. Or they listened somewhat to BTSR.

  • avatar
    LectroByte

    Dang it, I was hoping D**dW**ght would have a post here with a creative witty joke about 34 speakers.

  • avatar

    Really not liking the headlamps. It looks like trucks here look (Ford trucks especially, talking big rigs, here, but not only). Always put me in mind of Scandinavian death metal bands. Corpse or carcass painting I think they called the face paint they’d wear. Not the greatest thing for you luxury car.

    The rest seems very good.

  • avatar
    VenomV12

    Regardless of whether you like this stretched CTS or not, at the end of the day what will ultimately determine the success or failure of this car will be its pricing. If GM/Cadillac operates with the mindset I know they love to, I suspect this thing is going to be $80,000 to $90,000 which is going to be one hell of a tough sell. If I were them after seeing what Lincoln put forth with the Continental, I would be scared as hell what the next Navigator is going to look like, Ford is out for blood.

    • 0 avatar
      ellomdian

      Yeah, GM is in kind of a tough spot. You need to sell a car based on it’s merit, but that’s not enough – you have to sell something like this because it’s expensive (and worth it!)

      They made the XLR too expensive to compete on ‘value,’ they didn’t seem to know how to market the 2nd gen CTS, and the ATS was brand-marketed into oblivion. Who even is your optimal Caddy buyer in 3-5 years? I feel like I am supposed to like the CT6 (since I have a history of buying and enjoy driving executive 4-doors) but I can’t help but shake the feeling that this is more competition for Lexus G’s than for 7’s and S’s.

    • 0 avatar
      derekson

      What they need to do is price it against the A7 / 6 GC / CLS and beat them on standard equipment. Include most of the gadgets and stuff rather than nickel and diming customers for every option like the German marques do.

      Include the vented and massaging seats. Include the magnetorheological dampers. Include Adaptive Cruise.

    • 0 avatar
      Mr. Orange

      Its been reported to be priced between $60,000 to $90,000. Which does appear to appropriate considering what you get for it.

    • 0 avatar
      Internet Commenter

      Pricing is certainly a critical issue. However, I believe the existence of Buick in the US is what will prevent Cadillac from achieving any real success. There’s too much product/price overlap between the two brands. Buick makes sense in China, but not in the US because there it’s a product people actually aspire to own; here it just competes with Cadillac. Neither VW or Toyota offer a mid-tier brand that cannibalizes their premium brand. Moreover, Cadillac doesn’t have sufficient brand equity to persuade buyers to pay the transaction prices of the big boys even if they do manage to offer something truly competitive. This leaves two options: 1) throw cash on the hood to move metal, or 2) attempt to charge MSRP and have vehicles sit on the lot. Option 1 increases cannibalization, destroys residuals, and further hurts brand equity. Buick needs to die in the US for Cadillac to live.

      Typical Americans look to European goods to convey the image of success. With the exception of Apple, I don’t think many in Europe/Asia associate American companies with luxury/prestige. Until Cadillac establishes itself as a legitimate competitor to the Germans, the best Cadillac can hope for is to sell at Buick price points and slowly raise their reputation.

      In the meantime they need to focus on offering value, and that doesn’t mean cutting corners to hit a price point. Someone here once said “GM never goes whole-hog on anything.” It shows. Faulty execution of Cue, offering the Malibu engine in the ATS, etc. Flaws can be overlooked with the Germans because the badge makes people feel special. Flaws with Cadillac become impossible to overlook because those shortcomings force the buyer to recognize that Cadillac is not equivalent to the Germans, and thereby tarnishes the brand experience. Under promise and over deliver needs to be their mantra.

      I think Cadillac will face an even stiffer headwind once the jingoism of the baby-boomer generation fades; hopefully the future will reveal more compelling products set at prices people are willing to pay without discounts.

      P.S. I like Cadillac and want them to succeed. I grew up in Detroit and my dad has owned various DeVilles and now an XTS (he’s 70).

  • avatar
    That guy

    Looks like a Cadillac (Love it or hate it, at least you won’t mistake it for anything else)

    Size is right in the ballpark of the competition

    All the fancy tech gizmos you could ever need

    Weighs less than a 5-Series

    Should be a winner

  • avatar
    danio3834

    Looks to be a very nice ride. The cynism and snark will of course be endless because Cadillac, but this is some pretty impressive engineering if the specs will be what it is thought they will be. This is the Cadillac that should have immediately succeeded the last STS.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      Funny you mention STS. I happened to noticed a ghetto fab’d Cadillac in traffic yesterday (although in truth the E&G grill makes them look 1,000% better), and until I got behind him I assumed it was another 3.6 CTS. I noticed the mid 00s Northstar badge on the rear decklid and thought hmmmmm there is the relatively rarer Sigma Seville already degraded. I couldn’t be sure which generation it was but based on the grille it was the final Sigma bodystyle and I say this only because a friend has a Sigma CTS with the E&G grille and it looked identical. Since this generation came out for MY08, I think its pretty sad by 2014 an MY08 or newer is already at that stage of its life.

      For S&G:

      MY08 Cadillac Seville STS RWD V8 “1SE pkg”

      03/04/15 DENVER Regular $12,000 53,053 Above SILVER 8G A Yes
      02/12/15 TX HOBBY Lease $8,800 92,197 Avg WHITE 8G A Yes
      02/24/15 HOUSTON Regular $10,300 92,465 Avg WHITE 8G A Yes
      02/19/15 NEVADA Lease $7,300 126,561 Avg GRAY 8G A Yes
      03/06/15 NEVADA Regular $7,000 133,243 Avg PEARL 8G A Yes

      I love how there is only a 5K premium for a clean car vs a rough one with over double the miles. I also am pleased to see a Northstar still running in some capacity at 133,243 miles, maybe they did “fix it”?

  • avatar
    energetik9

    I’m not sure I get it. Is this supposed to be an upscale car? If that’s the plan, this car doesn’t seem to project that. I acknowledge I’m not a huge Cadillac fan, but from the outside looking in, it just looks like an old school (big) Cadillac. Not a future Cadillac. I’m sure it would be different in person, but I agree, it reminds me of a CTS refresh. Seems like this car would have been of value to the company like maybe 5-6 years ago.

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    We must at least give them credit for selling us a 200″+ vehicle, with weight at 3,700 lbs. That’s pretty impressive for a modern car this size. And it looks like they put a legitimate luxury interior in it, which doesn’t share a bunch of parts with other GM vehicles. That’s good too! And I don’t think they’ve tried to make it too sporty – also desirable.

    My only questions at this point are about the styling, and the pricing. I think the XTS is overpriced already, and this thing will be probably 12-25K more expensive. They must avoid the temptation to price it like an S500.

    And when the Continental comes out, and if it looks like the concept and ends up costing less – then they’re in trouble. Might be too early to speculate on that one though, since this CT6 is production ready.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      Nah don’t worry, if we learned anything from Cadillac, msrp will be somewhere in the range of $98,000,000 and sell for $38,000 after a year.

      • 0 avatar
        dbar1

        I lol’ed. “Out-the-door” real world price of 60-65k for a N/A 3.6L with a medium lvl trim?

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          Honestly I’d be shocked if it was that much. DW and others have cited low 30s pricing for CTS from GM forums when you qualify for everything (GM legacy/employee, bonus cash, loyalty, military, college, have a pulse etc). I’d say add $10-15K to that figure when they get desperate and the model doesn’t move.

          I hate to sound like BTSR, but they have to “Hellcat” this thing quick to get feet in the showrooms. Even if the model exists more as a “fleet in being”, a 707hp executive sedan would get people talking and maybe get people in the showrooms for the other day old garbage the marque is pushing.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      But it has a base 2.0T shared by the ATS, a dash eerily reminiscent of the last gen Hyundai Genesis, and all this bluster is being put forth based on essentially skillfully computer enhanced pics/renderings (not actual photos – see comments below).

  • avatar
    dbar1

    So its lighter, has better materials, has FREAKING NIGHT VISION, all wheel steering, and superior drive-trains versus the competition….no wonder why d-bag weight hasn’t commented yet!

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      “So its lighter”

      Agreed.

      “has better materials”

      How do you know? Has a spec sheet been released? Have any models reviews been done?

      “has FREAKING NIGHT VISION”

      I wouldn’t get too excited, Deville DHS offered some kind of night vision in MY00. I expect this to be an enhancement.

      “all wheel steering”

      Should be cool.

      “superior drive-trains versus the competition”

      Ok so the article states: “2.0T 4-cylinder and a naturally aspirated 3.6L V6, a new 3.0L twin-turbo V6 debuts with 400 horsepower”

      So we have a shared I4 TURBO in an 80K+ car, well that’s a fail. Then the N/A 3.6 which was already offered, and now some kind of new 3.0L gas motor we know nothing about but TWIN TURBO must make it superior, right?

      Dropping any choice of an I4 and offering an LS V8 variant might put the car in the “superior” drivetrains territory.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        I think it depends on the turbo four, 28. This will be the base powerplant, and this car is VERY light for its class – it weighs about 600 pounds less than a BMW 7-series, which offers a six as a base engine – so if the powertrain is refined enough, maybe not such an issue.

        I’d also like to know more about the turbo four. Is it the same exact one found in a Malibu? If so, then yes, fail. But it seems Caddy is either doing pretty extensively reworked versions of GM engines, or all-new ones. We shall see.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          Unless there is another 2.0T Cadillac has access too, it will be the LTG 2.0T used in the ATS and Malibu. Now without deriding ATS, in theory I see what the whole E46 like stick and I4 Turbo driver’s car thing was supposed to do. This is not that car by a longshot, this is an auto only executive sedan with *bonus* legroom. BMW can put a hamster powered drivetrain in their models if they seek to fail, Cadillac is supposed to be convincing me they are the better choice. Drop the I4 immediately Cadillac for this model or continue to be the butt of jokes.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Ecotec_engine#LTG

      • 0 avatar
        dbar1

        Yes good point on me saying “Superior”. TLDR, combining new engines that are at least on par with the competition with a lighter car = better performance? All on paper of course at this point.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          I think it would depend on what’s superior about the model. In your revised argument, it is possible that driving performance may be superior at least on paper? Sure thing. I personally see it as just making the status quo in the segment.

          Lexus from the drivetrain standpoint may also only be status quo (from a performance standpoint) but they built their reputation on offering the finest materials, dealer service, and overall attention to detail. Cadillac really should either emulate this model or go all out and blow the competition out of the model in some offering (i.e. performance, so offer an LS). I think this will be another 10-15K car in five years just as the Seville STS I wrote about in an above post. Seek out a ye olde 3.6 copy in 2020, this motor seems mature and less likely to blow up.

  • avatar
    dtremit

    This looks like a very nice car, but I don’t know who is going to buy it.

    It’s far too conservative to attract younger buyers to the brand (or even to the showroom).
    It’s not upscale enough, from the looks of it, to seriously compete with a big German barge.
    It’s not baroque enough to appeal to retro-lux enthusiasts.
    It doesn’t have the engine to make it appeal to the performance crowd.
    It’s too expensive to sell to a lot of current XTS buyers, or to livery services.

    Who does that leave?

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      I heard Deadweight expressed an interest.

    • 0 avatar
      dbar1

      How is it not bolder than ze Germans and Japanese?
      How is not not upscale enough?
      It’s not trying to be baroque.
      The TT V-8 is next year. And 400HP and 400 Ft-Lbs. is plenty of power when it weighs 600 lbs. less.
      It’s positioned 2 segments above the XTS…..it will steal sales from the S-Class/7 series.

      dbar1 – detriment 0

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        “How is it not bolder than ze Germans and Japanese?”

        Well it looks like the Alpha cars, neither of which sell well. Bold would be to drop the styling of the failing cars (whether its “good” or not) and differentiate. This didn’t happen. *We* know its a different platform, but it looks the same as CTS only longer and offers two of the three drivetrains of CTS. In the mind of buyers, how is this not just a bigger CTS? Maybe I have a negative opinion of Alpha ATS/CTS but I’m trading in my Escalade/SRX/Deville for something new. How are you getting me to even look at this?

        “How is not not upscale enough?”

        I think we need more information to judge scale.

        “The TT V-8 is next year. And 400HP and 400 Ft-Lbs. is plenty of power when it weighs 600 lbs. less.”

        Then maybe the model should have been held back a year and debuted with this motor. GM is doing what it always does, the drivetrains are late but they move the model anyway with whatever IS available. Their attitude is “we’ll fix it later” not caring about the existing or new customers who DO take the plunge. Lexus or zee Germans don’t do these things.

        • 0 avatar
          dbar1

          SO its ok for BMW to debut a new 5 series and wait a year to drop the new M5, but not Cadillac?

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            BMW/Mercedes/Audi own the market, they can frack things up and lemmings still come back for lease abuse. Cadillac is no longer in the same position, this isn’t 1990 anymore. They have to get everything right otherwise why even give them a look? I can get my Roundel lease abuse and get snob appeal as standard feature.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          I don’t think styling is what’s hurting the current Alpha cars.

          Mainly, I think they’re comparatively new players in a very established market. No matter how good they look or how well they drive, they’re up against nameplates that have been around from three to five or six decades. BMW and Mercedes have basically had that market to themselves for a LONG time. Cadillac’s credible efforts (which exclude the Catera) go back about 10 years. It’s going to take Cadillac some time to break in. I think it bears mentioning that Lexus, which presumably doesn’t have Cadillac’s issues in terms of quality perception, also struggles in this market – the IS sells well, but the rest of their sedans are duds (and if they didn’t have the ES or the RX, they’d be dead in the water).

          I think they need to improve what needs to be improved (the back seat room on the ATS, CUE, and the engines), and stay the course. The product is good – it just needs to find a place in the marketplace to “stick.”

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Lexus seems to have taken a leveled approach, some Toyota derived models, some JDM designed/styled bespoke models (well bespoke in North America in the case of GS etc). But all Lexus models seem to have the same level of quality materials, mfg fit and finish, no turbo fail, and excellent dealer service. Ironically Cadillac seems to follow this with some bespoke models (CTS/ATS and now this) and others derived from C-P-C (SRX, Escalade, ELR). For a variety of reasons though, the strategy seems to not work as well for them (hit and miss dealer service, beancounted materials, mfg issues, CUE complaints, insane pricing/horrible resale).

            Personally I’m riding out my cars so I’m not in the market, but my FICO and income could easily qualify for the best terms on a Cadillac (not CT6 or Escalade unfortunately d’oh), but I wouldn’t touch one. I would stroll over to Lexus though if I was in the market. I care about the attention to detail Lexus products have vs Cadillac where it is completely phoned in for at least a decade.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            I think the reason why it “works” for Lexus (if you can call it that – again, with no ES or RX they’d be well and truly screwed), is that Cadillac has to live down a LOT of years of building junk; Lexus doesn’t. You can call Lexus cars a lot of things, but “poorly made” never made that list. So, kudos to Lexus – 20 years ago they made an excellent decision in that regard, and Cadillac didn’t.

            But Cadillac isn’t building junk anymore. I think they are on the right track. I’d take a chance on one on a lease.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I agree with your points although:

            “But Cadillac isn’t building junk anymore.”

            Some might debate this.

      • 0 avatar
        dtremit

        I think you’re misunderstanding me. I don’t think it needs to be all those things; I think it needs to be *one* of them.

        It feels dated to me — it doesn’t really introduce anything I haven’t been seeing on Cadillacs for years, and the roofline and proportion are quite traditional.

        The interior feels very dated. The overall shape of the dash reminds me of something from the mid 90s — all the elements are in the same places as on a ’97 Town Car. Compare that with the S-class with dual panoramic screens and round billet vents, or the flight console look of the A8. Does it really measure up?

        And that’s leaving aside the confused, high/low materials. Even in these few pictures, you see the GM parts bin creeping in. The ATS has a custom start/stop button, but this one gets the same button and trim ring as an Impala. Look at the first picture of the interior — the one from the show. The side of the console is an acre of hard, poorly-fitted plastic.

        No one is going to buy this instead of an S-Class or 7er, at least no one who was seriously considering them. It might steal a few sales from people who can afford an E-Class or 5er but think it’s too small. But I doubt it will steal enough.

        In the end, though, there’s nothing special here — nothing that makes a buyer in any particular faction say “wow, I have to have that.” I don’t think you can successfully move up two segments without making a splash and surprising people.

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    I’m not seeing a lot to fault here – this thing looks good outside, spectacular inside, and the engineering is impressive. Here’s a huge car that weighs in about 150 pounds heavier than an Accord V6 sedan – that’s pretty amazing (and hopefully the advertised weight isn’t vaporware). Looks like CUE was also retooled for this application – hopefully that’s been improved.

    But I tend to agree with 28 – ditch the turbo four and make the six standard, lightweight construction or not. Make that double if it’s the same four you’d get in a Malibu. The tech geek in me likes the idea of a smaller engine that offers the same performance, but that won’t speak to buyers in this class unless the engine is extensively reworked.

    Nonetheless, Caddy marches on. Nice to see.

    • 0 avatar
      dbar1

      I can see having the 2.0L fourbanger for now. Need to keep the price lower at first, then when the TT V-8 comes out in a year or so, lose the 4-Banger and have the 3.6L V-6 as entry and move the entry price up incrementally.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        Unless that four is made of solid Unobtainium, or runs on matter-antimatter like the starship Enterprise, I’d say it’s not the best choice for a car in this class. If it’s a knockoff of what you can get in a Malibu or Regal, then I’d double down on that assessment.

        Buyers of this kind of car want effortless, endless power. Displacement is your friend in this class.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    I am not going to comment on this for the reason that CGI of exterior & interior shots, rather than actual photos of the actual car, coupled with Cadillac’s “advanced technical materials & manufacturing” promotional material (that every new vehicle introduced comes with) tells us and actually shows us nothing.

    I’ll wait to see:

    1) Actual photos of actual interior, materials, fit/finish, leg room, etc.

    2) Actual photos of exterior, not essentially enhanced computer renderings close to a photoshop.

    3) An actual review/test from a credible source as to how this ACTUALLY DRIVES & BEHAVES AT SPEED ON REAL ROADS.

    4) Reliability/durability ratings (the GM Death Spiral, traditionally.

    I’ll bet these teaser CGI images are going to render actual photos of the actual car a real letdown.Who will bet against me?

    p.s. LOL’d hard at the 2.0T found in the ATS as the base engine in this “flagship.”

    • 0 avatar
      dbar1

      I lol’ed when you made up the fact that this is their flagship car.

      I’m betting against you.

      4. You mean this reliability? http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Cadillac_CTS/Reliability/

      3. You mean when the CTS-Vsport smacked the hell out of the competition despite costing less?

      2. Dont be a lazy ass, google for independent photos.

      1. Dont be a lazy ass, google for independent photos.

      0. Troll on troll.

      • 0 avatar
        DeadWeight

        US News & World Reports already labeled this, before actual car in the flesh is driven, “The Game Changer.”

        You win.

        #2.0Tdaregreatly

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        Wait, do we have Deadweight vs ANTI-Deadweight?

        Better watch it, you might destroy the universe.

        • 0 avatar
          dbar1

          I’ll be the first to call out GM/Ford/FCA when they ef up (’13 ‘Bu, the Ford Hybrid’s mileage fiasco, etc), but I’ll be the first to cheer them on when they get it right (CTS, CT6, 200, ‘Vette).

          Dead weight is exactly that, dead weight. He belongs in the ’80 with the big 3’s terrible products.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            Nice fit/finish on center console here:

            https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2016-Cadillac-CT6-interior-02.jpg

            Incompetent Cadillac can’t even ensure auto show ringer parts line up properly LOL!

            Lexus & Zeee Germans sweat!

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Despite the iffyness of the 386 V8 and standard Diesel on Seville, MY80 wasn’t too bad for Cadillac. MY81 well, that’s when it hit the fan.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          Scott to bridge…matter/antimatter mix is at maximum.

          And I don’t know about ’80 being a good year for Caddies. Dad had had an ’80 Eldo. Looked great, ran like s**t. Still love the styling, though…black, no vinyl roof, tan interior, tan pinstripe and alloy wheels. It looked great sitting, which it did quite a bit. He dumped it a year later for an ’81 BMW 733i, which was AWESOME.

    • 0 avatar

      I got your live photos, DW!

      • 0 avatar
        CoreyDL

        The seat texture is a little much, fiddly/busy for my tastes. I would have gone with something less sporty in such a grand car. As well, I am a bit disappointed with the rear. It needs something – some detail, some harder edging. The lights are too soft, and the car would have more visual (read: length) presence if the trunk didn’t drop off so soon into the lights that way.

        Cause I gotta say, the back of it as-is looks like this:

        http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090407101229/gtawiki/images/archive/5/55/20100112160254!Cognoscenti-GTA4-rear.jpg

      • 0 avatar
        DeadWeight

        Thanks.

        I want to see if at least the auto show ringer Cadillac has brought has the meticulous, world beating material quality & fit/finish Johan de Nysschen has staked his tattered credibility upon.

        • 0 avatar
          DeadWeight

          Okay.

          Impala steering wheel with a galvanized/rubber coated dash:

          https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2016-Cadillac-CT6-interior-05.jpg

          You extremely mad or sad, bro(w)?:

          https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2016-Cadillac-CT6-13.jpg

          Rubberized texture doors, seats are meh, and please don’t spill that appletini, brah:

          https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2016-Cadillac-CT6-interior-02.jpg

          Junky, Badonkadonk Trunk:

          https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2016-Cadillac-CT6-05.jpg

          Let’s wait for more ACTUAL, rather than CGI PHOTOS, to further deconstruct Johan’s fraud.

          #2.0T-shared-with-ATS-fail-greatly

          • 0 avatar
            dbar1

            Leather wrapped steering wheel with real wood insert is a bad thing? You know thats rubber because the photo isnt even in focus? lol, ok hater.

            How am i mad or sad about a side-view of the CT6? Are you randomly posting links to pictures?

            That’s a leather wrapped console and how the hell do you know what the seats are like? Heated, air-cooled, massaging seats sound good to me!

            It’s a full size car with a full size truck. Get a life.

            3,800 lbsish 4-door saloon with 400hp if you want it with a TT-V8 on the way.

            Hate on hater.

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    dal20402

    3700 lbs? That is absolutely dynamite. If they can achieve that sort of weight (or even 3900 lbs for the turbo V6 version) with luxury-car quiet, they’ve found a way to do automotive alchemy.

    For perspective, this thing will weigh *substantially* less than a 4 series convertible, and only a bit more than a coupe.

    Also, the interior looks pretty good, although obviously we can’t touch the materials in photos. One thing is for sure: Cadillac could avoid a lot of abuse from me if it cleaned up the Escalade’s interior to this level of build quality.

  • avatar
    carguy

    The styling is conservative but that is what is required in this class of product – just look at the 7 series, S class and A8.

    The weight savings are nothing short of amazing and the interior looks premium enough. Let’s hope that this version of CUE is better than the last.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    The real CT6 competitor at half price or less, with far more standard equipment & HP\'(make sure to compare interior & exterior):

    http://www.hyundaigenesis.com/img/Hyundai-Genesis-Gallery-wallpaper-05.jpg

    http://www.hyundaigenesis.com/gallery

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      Smaller (it’s about CTS-sized) but heavier, and far less refined inside. The Genesis is like the Chrysler 300C, which would be its closest competitor except for demographics — an excellent product for a mainstream brand but not quite polished enough to play in the luxury space.

      The first-gen Genesis also had truly terrible suspension tuning. I haven’t driven the second-gen one yet; reviewers are saying it’s a lot better, but they often say that.

      • 0 avatar
        DeadWeight

        Derek disagrees on all counts.

        https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/04/capsule-review-2015-hyundai-genesis/

        You must be defaulting to the last GEN Genesis.

        Have you sat in the CT6? You haven’t driven, or even sat in, the new gen Genesis, right?

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          That Genesis review doesn’t even mention the interior other than calling it “premium” in passing. You’re right that I haven’t had the chance to get in one yet.

          But looking at pictures is enough to confirm that it’s got mainstream materials and mainstream details, although it looks well assembled (better assembled, in fact, than any other Hyundai to date). Look at the plastic on the console buttons, the steering wheel buttons, and the shifter. Look at the secondary controls to the left of the wheel. All of that could have come out of a Sonata. That’s not bad (at all) in the Genesis’s price range — but it would be very bad at $70k.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            Dal,-

            1) I’ve driven the 2015+ Genesis. It’s ride composure & suspension refinement is light years ahead of the flawed last gen.

            2) It has a roomier back seat than the CTS by far (which I’ve driven and my uncle owns – 3rd gen).

            3) It has better material quality, fit/finish and overall build quality (and especially standard gauges) than the CTS, IMO (YOMV).

            4) It has, in base trim ($34,000 real world pricing), a 311 HP V6, versus the CTSs (or CT6s) 2.0T 4 banger.

            Let’s wait and see the real touch/feel, test drives, long term living experiences with the CT6, before falling prey to the “new, glowing, hype.”

  • avatar
    JEFFSHADOW

    As long as the name is CT6 it might as well be a germanwings flight through the alps.
    Dead on Take-off. . .

    • 0 avatar
      danio3834

      Serious question. What would you prefer they call it?

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      I honestly could care less about the name.

      The problem for the CT6, and we haven’t even sat in it let alone driven it yet, is that unless it has a magical powertrain and ride (doubtful with the engine choices), its real competition will be the 1/2 expensive FWD Impala (check out an LTZ Impala’s interior and registration), or a 1/2 expensive 2015 Hyundai Genesis.

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