By on January 14, 2015

 

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With last year’s Hits and Misses column generating a lot of reader interest, I figure another edition is in store for the 2015 edition of the Detroit Auto Show.

Much of the show floor chatter last year centered on the rather disappointing lack of big debuts, aside from the Ford F-150. The Blue Oval’s full-size pickup was enormously significant from an industry point of view, but didn’t quicken the pulse of the enthusiast set, which largely (but not entirely) prioritizes sports cars and exotics over America’s signature vehicle.

Ford may have stolen the show again this year, with three major debuts, but the rest of the show was light on…well, debuts. Very little new product was shown at the show, and some of the more interesting stuff was already shown in Los Angeles. I wonder if L.A. will overtake Detroit as the marquee auto show in America within a decade.

If you’ll indulge me for a few minutes, here’s a rundown of the hits and misses, from your favorite combative know-it-all.

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Miss- Acura NSX: Oh Lord, just typing those words made me wince. I am an unabashed NSX fanboy. If you Google “Derek Kreindler” you’ll see a photo of me sitting in my father’s 1991 Berlina Black NSX.  I own every die-cast model, scale model kit, sales brochure, book, videotape and Acura accessory related to the NSX. Those metal paperweight models Acura gave to all of the journalists as part of the press kit? I have the original example from the 1991 launch, and an owner’s only hardbound book, still in original shrink wrap. Ok, I have three. All I am missing is the car itself. After endless iterations, a stillborn front-engine V10 concept and a frenzied build-up akin to a prom night after party, Acura’s supercar debuted to a packed COBO hall, with people staking out seats hours before the 11:20 A.M. press conference, then lined up 30 deep just to catch a glimpse of the LCD TVs broadcasting the proceedings.

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What about the car itself? The only nod to its predecessor is a black shaded area aft of the front window, where its door handle stood. In the same script as the original car, there is a small, NSX logo, a tiny nod to the faithful that waited a decade for another Honda super car. The announced specs are puzzling to say the least. Unlike the original, it uses “aluminum intensive” construction, but is not all-aluminum. The car’s styling, both inside and out, could best be described as “derivative”. Sure, the original design by Pininfarina was generic, but it was elegant, purposeful and with an incredible, jet-fighter inspired cockpit.

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The new car is clearly an exercise in tying together Acura’s poorly received design language into a cohesive brand statement – which is an obnoxious statement itself, but necessary for Acura to be anything more than just a line of fancy Hondas. The beak grille is there, and so is the IDS selective drive mode system that is offered on the TLX. In true Honda fashion, the car uses a V6 engine. The original NSX used a V6 because it was felt that a V8 or forced induction would compromise both the purity of the driving experience and was a form of “cheating” in the eyes of the engineers, who wanted to test the limits of what lightweight, efficient motors could do.

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The new NSX is turbocharged, because nobody is going to pay $150,000 for a hybrid, naturally aspirated V6 supercar making 400 horsepower and turbocharging is the only way to hit big numbers (a claimed 550 horsepower for the gas and electric powertrain combined) while meeting regulatory-driven  efficiency goals. The SH-AWD system uses a three-motor hybrid setup (a rear mounted motor and one motor in each front wheel) mated to a 9-speed dual clutch system. Acura made vague hints about instantaneous acceleration thanks to maximum torque at zero rpm, akin to a Tesla. But what happens after a few launches and the battery is almost certainly depleted. No AWD? No more seamless launches? No more 550 horsepower on tap? Jack thinks that this car’s biggest problem is that a Viper or Z06 will eat its lunch on track. I think it’s a different customer entirely – but its biggest problem is the one that plagued the original car. Nobody wants to buy a $150,000 technological tour de force from a second-tier luxury brand best known for its CUVs.

Writing all of that gave me absolutely no joy. The NSX’s unveiling was as much of a let down as the time I worked up the gumption to kiss my high school crush, only to find out that she needed to brush her teeth. But this wouldn’t be The Truth About Cars if we weren’t being brutally honest.

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Hit -Hyundai Santa Cruz: We take up a lot of time writing about small trucks and their bleak prospects for success. So, why is Hyundai’s own small truck so brilliant? Because it’s a small truck in the vein of those sold in Brazil, Mexico, South Africa and other world markets. Rather than a body-on-frame mid-sizer like a Toyota Tacoma, this is a small, unibody car with a pickup bed, sort of like what they call a bakkie in South Africa.

Hyundai thinks that the demand is there for a vehicle like this. Pickup trucks transact at north of $40,000 on average, and are far too big for anyone living in an urban environment. Hyundai’s market research suggests that consumers would like a five-seat vehicle that is efficient and car-like, and has a separate compartment for gear, but these people typically don’t buy trucks. Instead, they make do with CUVs and other vehicles. While Hyundai bills the Santa Cruz as a concept, there are rumblings that Hyundai Motor America is pushing hard for it to be built – and the diesel engine shown in the concept would be part of the package. The most brilliant feature is the bed extender, which turns the pickup bed into something that can hold a motocross bike or small motorcycle, and then be pushed back in to make for easier parking. A different system will have to be engineered for it to be production feasible, but if a folding hardtop can be engineered, why not something similar?

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Home Run – Toyota Tacoma: I said it last year and I’ll say it again; a good number of Tacoma owners wouldn’t be caught dead in a domestic truck. That’s a big part of the Taco’s appeal. Its mere existence is a serious threat to the GM mid-size twins. I’d go as far as to say that this refresh has mortally wounded the two.

The new Tacoma offers a 2.7L 4-banger and a 3.5L direct-injection, Atkinson cycle V6, which should make significant leaps in fuel economy over the outgoing V6. In a reversal of the GM strategy, the manual is only available on the V6. Styling updates ape the Tundra, without looking grotesque. From a business standpoint, these are incremental updates, and that means Toyota will continue to watch the money pile up on every single one of these. Especially now that production is moving to Mexico. Well done.

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Foul Ball: Ford GT– Why is this gorgeous, 600+ horsepower limited production super car not the prom king? Because, as you’ll see tomorrow, some Ford insiders have serious issues with the clandestine nature of the car’s development – and the ersatz production facility that will be building them. Stay tuned for the inside scoop, from the people who brought you info on the next Mustang, F-150 and Raptor.

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Hit: Volvo XC90 – Outside, it looks like a GM full-size SUV penned by Volvo. Inside, it looks like a Danish furniture catalog. Volvo is sliding into irrelevance and this is their last hope. But it just might be good enough to pull it off.

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Home Run: Honda HR-V – Another triumph of packaging. Plenty of rear seat and cargo room. Tiny on the outside. You can get it with a stick. They will sell every single unit.

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Miss: Mini 4 door – Is this a MINI Golf? I don’t get it. I think that people who complain about the three-door MINI growing larger are being curmudgeonly. But this thing is bloody huge.

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Hit: Mazda CX-3: Take the HR-V, add some attractive styling, an interior that looks better than some German luxury brands and subtract the stick. Now add the incredible 6-speed Skyactiv automatic, instead of a CVT. I’d say you’re coming out ahead. But of course, it won’t match the HR-V’s volume.

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Ejected by the umpire – Volvo S60 Cross Country: You’re a struggling luxury brand on the verge of re-inventing yourself with an ambitious premium SUV. And so you devote precious resources to this? 

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Foul Ball – Cadillac CTS-V: My biggest issue with the car is that the ATS-V exists, with a stick shift and a twin-turbo V6 that can be reflashed to make obscene power.

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Miss – Lexus GS F: Who cares?

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Wild Pitch – Lincoln MKX: Nobody really expected this, but it’s a promising sign of where Lincoln is going. Finally, there is a clear value proposition above and beyond the Edge. Cadillac better update the SRX ASAP.

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Foul Ball: Alfa Romeo 4C Spyder – In the words of Road and Track’s  Alex Kierstein: “They should not have put it next to a Tipo 33“.

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Hit: Ford Shelby GT350 REvo magazine once described the 996 Porsche GT2 as a “hairy-arsed brute”. I think it’s an applicable description for a track-focused pony car with no rear seats, A/C or other equipment. I fear that, like the GT2, it will end up as a street-driven status symbol, with owners never mentioning how miserable it is to drive on the road.

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Hit: Ford SVT Raptor – The Raptor’s old 6.2L V8 was a boat anchor of an engine. The new 3.5L V6 EcoBoost solves that, and it now looks even more cartoonish. Brilliant.

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Car of the Show: Chevrolet Bolt – TTAC praises GM EV. Hell freezes over. Ok, in all seriousness, I’d never be caught dead in one of these, but I don’t think that the collective media world was right to mock this thing as a Tesla fighter. It’s not. It’s a shot across the bow for the next-gen Nissan Leaf, which is also promising a 200-mile range. But if the Bolt really does come out as a crossover type vehicle with a 200 mile range and a price tag between $30-$35k, I think it has serious potential. John Krafcik, President of TrueCar and former CEO of Hyundai, thinks that it could be the first mass market EV to take off, telling the Los Angeles Times that “You are looking at annual sales of 100,000 vehicles.” Just please, change the name.

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Foul Ball: Nissan Titan – The idea of a diesel-only “Class 2.5” truck is interesting. The pastiche styling, which looks like a Rord F1-Ram, is less than inspired.

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Hit: Buick Avenir – We missed out on the last Zeta-based Park Avenue because dealers didn’t want it (and that may have been a good choice). But this would make a fine flagship, and a way for GM to get more mileage out of their Omega large premium RWD platform.

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Ground Rule Double: Chevrolet Volt – It will all come down to how it performs in the real world, but the new Volt now seats 5 and genuinely looks good.

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Ground Rule Double: Mercedes Benz GLE – I know it will sell, but f**k this vessel of effluent.

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Miss: Volkswagen GTE – VW has presented more mid-size crossover concepts than Acura has NSX concepts. They are all forgettable and generic. For all its success as a global auto maker, VW cannot seem to figure out the magic formula that will make the VW brand a success in America.

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Hit: Buick Cascada – On the one hand, convertible sales are shrinking faster than when I dive into a cold pool. On the other hand, the program will be paid for on rental fleet alone. If you’re going to enter a niche, you better own it, as Toyota has proven.

Hit: Return of the Jack – Last year, as I was opening the envelope with our NAIAS credentials, Bark M called with news of Jack’s accident. This year, Jack was with Ronnie and myself on the show floor. A special thanks to him, Ronnie and Cameron for the amazing coverage.

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Bold Prediction: Within 12 months of its commercial launch, there will be a special website devoted to the Honda Uni-Cub. It will be behind a paywall, and will be accessible by VPN only in Islamic countries. Some of you will get a membership, and you won’t want your wife to know about it. Take that to the bank.

 

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49 Comments on “NAIAS 2015 Recap: TTAC Picks The Show’s Hits And Misses...”


  • avatar
    Lie2me

    Any car at the 2015 Detroit Auto Show with the word “Brougham” in it (top pic) I predict LOSER

    lol, wrong pic, needs to be fixed

  • avatar
    seth1065

    Ok I have read the whole article so maybe I missed it, but how does the opening picture , of todays junk yard find, whore red Olds Omega Brougham fit with this ????? The Buick and the Korean Brat were hits for me thanks for covering the show .

  • avatar
    Lie2me

    Derek, I predict your predictions to be spot on. Golf clap!

    • 0 avatar
      Fred

      I’m sure he is correct as well, I’m just not all that excited about any of these cars, except I’d like to see the Ford and Acura in person, both of which I like.

  • avatar
    kosmo

    Re the 4-door Mini: Some of us NEED 4 doors, and want them paired with the smallest, most fun car available (ST Focus would get my nod, though).

    Re the CTS-V: Some of us need a real trunk. A 4-door sedan with a 10.5 cubic foot trunk (I believe) is silly, no matter what is under the hood.

    Great coverage!

  • avatar
    mitchw

    Yup, that Honda HR-V. There will be no discounts given.

  • avatar
    ...m...

    …regarding names, i’m not convinced that the bolt is the right car for it, but GM needs to market an EV2…

  • avatar
    Zykotec

    I’d say the GT was the big hit. If not lightning from clear skies, it did come from an unassuming unconfirmed small white cloud. The NSX has been a longlastinng affair already, not a total miss, and it’s tailights do recall the original a tiny bit. The front end may be a tiny bit too messy to call the design clean and muscular, but it’s still a good looking car. Just quit stalling it Honda!
    Hyundais version of the Bronco also seems like it could be a good idea. Not sure how the market will treat it, but it should do well.

  • avatar
    S2k Chris

    I’m at least as big an NSX fan as Derek, which is why I say “wait for the first drives of the NSX” before counting it out. You can diss the styling all you want, if you want, but as far as everything else goes, we don’t really know anything we didn’t know before. As the OG NSX was the original “poorly described by its specs” sports car, why assume that this one will be anything different? Maybe it will suck, but can we at least having some driving impressions as to why it sucks before you proclaim it sucks?

    • 0 avatar
      NeilM

      I agree about the NSX: let’s see how it performs before dissing it.

      However I do find the styling overwrought, at least in the photos. Maybe it’ll look better in real life. The original NSX was just so clean.

      Correction to the article: the front electric motors are clearly not in the front wheels as stated, but rather in the expected location at the car’s centerline, with conventional halfshafts out to the wheel uprights.

  • avatar
    Flipper35

    From some angles there is a discontinuity of flow between the hood and windshield of the Fort GT in the same way as the 1st gen Neon. It almost makes it look like it was used in one of the Duke’s of Hazzard episodes and got “bent”.

  • avatar
    John R

    NSX – “Jack thinks that this car’s biggest problem is that a Viper or Z06 will eat its lunch on track.” Those two will do the same to the 911 GT3 and the GT-R NISMO both more dear than the Viper and the Corvette, so what?

    No surprises here, though. I had hoped for McLaren P1-Lite, but I suspected that the moment that hybridization was involved the new NSX belonged on track as much as an LFA or an Aventador. Sure they, and the NSX will, acquit themselves okay for an out, a hot lap, and a cool down, but heavy track use is not their raison d’etre. Theirs is to be coach bags to pump up the brand.

    GS-F – Consequence of having to work with what you got. The business case isn’t there to engineer the GS breath fire. Hopefully this speaks to the Lexus choir.

    Ford GT – “…some Ford insiders have serious issues with the clandestine nature of the car’s development…” THAT IS AWESOME TO ME! It’s called DRAMA and I love it.

    “…and the ersatz production facility that will be building them.” Ruh-roh, Shaggy. Please don’t say Mexico. Please don’t say Mexico. Please don’t say Mexico. Please don’t say Mexico.

    Buick Avenir – Who cares? Because…

    Buick Cascada – “On the other hand, the program will be paid for on RENTAL FLEET [my emphasis] alone.” The entirety of Holiday, Florida awaits with bated breath.

  • avatar
    suspekt

    I don’t agree with Derek’s sentiments.

    – The GT doesn’t look right. Various styling elements are either unreconciled or derivative. I absolutely loved the previous generation and I find this one (in pictures at least) unoriginal. It hits all the right buttons but the whole just doesn’t work for me.

    – I absolutely love the Raptor. It’s one of those rare vehicles where I feel a strong desire to own. It’s just perfect. And I’m not even into off-roading. At all. I just love the styling. If that truck was shown 5 years ago, it would called a concept car not intended for production.

    – I love the NSX design. I’m not sure what’s so derivative about it other than proportions. I think the reveal was lame. I think the gestation period has hurt it. Acura was in a no win situation. However, Ted Klaus deserves monster credit and he has ensured the platform can be expanded.
    **** and correction to Derek’s comments, I read somewhere that the batteries will never deplete during use. Perhaps the sand which motor is constantly sending juice to the batteries/front motors. It is providing much of the Porsche 918’s technical specs at 1/6 the price but will deliver 80-90% of the performance. The Ford GT provides no technical breakthrough with mass market commercialization opportunity. Two very very different vehicles and corporate intentions.

    – I love how the bolt apes the i3. Even the colour they chose. Hilarious.

    – The Tacoma does it for me. Even though the Raptor is the truck I would buy if cost was no object, the Taco is probably the only truck I would actually buy.

    • 0 avatar

      Re: 918 comment. Very interesting perspective.

      • 0 avatar
        juicy sushi

        I’ve seen it elsewhere as well. It makes sense going by the layout of the electric motors. And I remember there was an article about all the development laps done around Mid-Ohio mainly to figure out the torque vectoring calibration.

        I like it, even though it’s out of my range. If I had one, I’d just pretend it had Raybrig written down the side.

        And Derek, I think I have an NSX book you don’t. If we ever meet up, I’ll bring it a long for you to have a look.

    • 0 avatar
      redav

      I, too, saw the NSX as a baby 918.

      As for its styling, no, it’s not my cup of tea, but I still want one. So far, those who are dissing it are doing so out of unrealistic expectations, not actual dislike (IMO).

    • 0 avatar
      This Is Dawg

      I mostly agree with suspekt: I think the Ford is a weird mishmash with none of the appeal of the previous throwback. I also think the NSX is damn sexy.

      As for the Raptor, I still prefer the first one’s front end, but then again, I’m not huge on pickups. Which is why I also would have a Tacoma if ever I “needed” one.

      To me, the Avenir stole the show in the same way last year’s Elmiraj did. Just give it a better name!

  • avatar
    davefromcalgary

    -I personally think the Tacoma is ugly/overwrought, but it will certainly appeal to the “never a domestic truck” crowd.

    -If the Tacoma is ugly, the Titan is hideous. Hope that the running gear can keep up to that Cummins powerplant.

    -The Hyundai thing is cool, I would consider something like it. I always wanted a Baja Turbo… so make of that what you will.

    -The new MKEdge is handsome.

  • avatar
    Wraith

    Is it safe to say that the HR-V and CX-3 are simply the CR-V and CX-5 in bite sized packages? If you preferred the CX-5 over CR-V, you’ll prefer the CX-3 over HR-V, and vice-versa?

    Do they bring anything new to the table?

    (I know the CX-3 has the updated infotainment system that hasn’t yet made its way into the CX-5, but probably will next model year.)

    Also hoping that the CX-3 doesn’t give up a lot of ground clearance vs. the CX-5. Otherwise the Subaru XV Crosstrek and Jeep Renegade are probably the only baby utes with SUV-like ground clearance. (I know 90%+ of buyers will never need it, but it’s useful in MN winter conditions.)

    • 0 avatar
      Drzhivago138

      More or less, I think so. And +1 to the ground clearance–I’ve found that it’s been more useful than AWD for most MN weather.

      What I find absolutely insane is that the CR-V hasn’t gotten significantly larger in any dimension since its introduction, unlike the Toyota RAV4. I was absolutely certain before I wiki’d the dimensions that the CR-V had undergone model bloat since the first-gen model, because why else would they need the HR-V? But nope, pretty much the same size as the original, just taller-looking and harder to see out the back. If Toyota introduced a subcompact CUV like the HR-V or Renegade, it would be almost the same size as the original RAV4.

  • avatar
    tresmonos

    “some Ford insiders have serious issues with the clandestine nature of the car’s development – and the ersatz production facility that will be building them”

    “@Tweetermeyer
    TTAC says some “Ford insiders have serious issues with the clandestine nature of the [new GT’s] development”. These people sound like idiots”

    OH SNAP
    I wonder if Niedermeyer gets paid by OEM’s over at dailykanban?

  • avatar
    IHateCars

    While I admire Ford for continuing to refine/improve the Raptor, I’ll stick with my ’12 with the 6.2 “boat anchor” (whatever that means). I just prefer a V8 rumble in a beast like this, although if the 3.5 EB offers similar or better power in the same rev range with actual substantial fuel savings….I may be tempted. I just don’t see how though with 35″ tires and 4.10 gears.

  • avatar
    Noble713

    CTS-V: Appeals to buyers who don’t want the ATS-V’s V6 or crappy gauges. Saying the ATS-V can be reflashed for big power is a foul…any car can be improved with tuning/aftermarket support, and the CTS-V will benefit from the Z06’s aftermarket.

    Lexus GS-F: Who cares? People willing to trade some of the CTS-V’s or M5’s performance for Lexus reliability. Not sure how large that market is though…

  • avatar
    carguy

    Agreed on the NSX – it has nowhere to go. In its projected price range the well honed Porsches and brutal Z06 will probably best it performance while the Tesla D and BMW i8 will continue to be more desirable for the cool crowd.

    • 0 avatar
      This Is Dawg

      Meh, the Tesla still looks too sedan-ey to be truly cool looking. The i8 takes it to the other extreme and looks like a bimmer barely made it out of a closing stargate, shearing off the back end, exposing mangled innards and splattering the sides with blue slime.

      (I’m amazed they haven’t contacted me to market the i8.)

    • 0 avatar
      fvfvsix

      I predict a “tame” NSX derivative being introduced sometime this year, without all the electric motors. At $75,000 that would probably sell quite well.

  • avatar
    JMII

    Thank you for calling out the Mini 4 Door as stupid. A Mini is small, 2 door hatchback… anything else is NOT a Mini!

    Acura NSX – I’m only slightly disappointed: we knew it was coming, we knew it was a hybrid, we know Acura is a shell of its former self. So the NSX is living up to its expectations at this point. The NSX was always “different” (in a good way) so until we hear how it drives the jury is still out.

    Hyundai Santa Cruz – I hope this make it to production because after visiting Brazil these trucklers are everywhere down there. It serves a purpose. Plus how hard would it be to rework the rear of the Santa Fe and put a bed back there?

    Toyota Tacoma – How big are these? The GM mid twins are already border line too big. I want a true mid-size like my current Dakota. Oh and diesel too.

    Ford Shelby GT350 R – no A/C ummm I think not. Call me when they finally start making Mustangs as notch backs until then no sale. With the IRS setup can we get fold down rear seats and some generous hatch storage? If so the appeal of the pony car goes up several points especially since the FRS/BRZ blew it when they put a trunk out back and forgot to bolt a turbo in (IMHO).

    • 0 avatar
      Drzhivago138

      The new GM twins and the Tacoma are all roughly the same size as the Dakota was, with a 130″-ish wheelbase on the ext cab or crew cab/short bed models. It’s only when you get the crew cab with a 6′ bed that they approach full-size territory.

  • avatar
    carguy

    Disagree on the CTV-V. It already has brutal amounts of power and a V8 sound-track and is a much needed shot in the arm for image for the image of slow selling CTS. A manual transmission option is sort of irrelevant – just ask the BMW M and Merc AMG folks. This is mainly offered to please auto mags and then nobody ends up buying it.

  • avatar
    KindaFondaHonda

    So to sum up…

    If it’s a Honda, Toyota, or Nissan (or subsidiary): styling (more specifically certain styling elements) are solely important and will be focused on INCESSANTLY. And criticized INCESSANTLY… be it a grille element, body line, piece of molding, tail lamp lens, paint color, etc. It will be the reason these brands models must fail. To hell with the way they perform, reliability, quality, capability…

    If it’s a Volt with a DOUBLE shield grille/beak and shameless 2012 Civic styling, a Merc that looks like a rolling wad of dung, a GT with a million goofy inlets/outlets/creases/undulations, a Bolt with French Renault styling, a Hyundai “truck” (that will never see daylight) is somehow the next coming of Christ (while a uni-body Honda “truck” is supposed idiocy and irrelevant), a Buick that is nothing but an Opel styling exercise sent to Detroit, and another Buick that is the introduction of a car into a segment that nobody buys anymore…

    it’s a Winner!

    Got it.

  • avatar
    Polishdon

    You forgot the Ram Rebel!

  • avatar
    redav

    I wonder if the paint on the Bolt really looks that good, or if it’s just fancy lighting & cameras.

  • avatar
    Polishdon

    What about the new Ram Rebel ? Where does it rank?

  • avatar
    Crabspirits

    NSX-“…one motor in each front wheel…”

    That’s not what that planform shot shows. There looks to be two motors in the front diff thingy with driveshafts going out, and heavy power cable going in.

    It’ll be unimpressive compared to it’s peers for sure, the car you choose when playing a video game (Dinka Jester) because you WANT to like it, but you just keep getting your butt kicked. Without a manual, it’ll be hard to nail the experience-centric aspect that really matters with these things. Combined with the McDonald12c-ish blah styling, I guess I’m trying to say it will be really easy for the thing to be a massive flop.

    The high sales predictions for the Bolt (in EV-only form) are preposterous.

    Not sure why we should be excited about the Lincoln. It looks like a two-year old Lincoln.

  • avatar
    tjh8402

    Petty good summary. I won’t list all the areas of agreement because that’s a long list, but I give you extra credit for the Titan. It really is a head scratcher. On the one hand, engineering and segment busting break through. On the other hand, who actually green lighted that styling?

    I think the Buick Avenir is a beautiful car, I love the idea of a big fast RWD Buick, and I think the world would be a better and prettier place if it were in production, but this thing is going to cost, what, $50-60k? Who will buy it? Enthusiasts and badge snobs will both gravitate to the CTS if GM is their marque. Unfortunately, at that price, Everyone else will buy X5s, MLs, Platinum F150s, and Range Rover Sports.

    I want to disagree on the GS-F. If it’s as involving to drive as the six cylinder GS’s reviews say it is, than this is the enthusiast choice for V8 power in a luxury sports sedan. I just would worry how people buying V8 sedans are actually enthusiasts and not just brand snobs wanting the latest German techno barge. Side note on the brand snob – I’m having a hard time understanding the need to impress someone with your car. My preferred Starbucks (stop there at least 3 times a week) is in Winter Park, Fl, one of the wealthiest communities in the Orlando area. A Lexus RX is this area’s Toyota Camry. Last time I was at this Starbucks, there were two Panameras parked there. There’s a regular I see almost every time I go that shows up in either a Ferrari California or 458 Spider. If this is your world, why bother trying to impress anyone?

    back on topic, I will have to disagree about the Ford GT. I don’t know if it’s as game changing as the Fusions was…but it’s still an incredibly ambitious project for Ford. Oh, and I can’t get the look of it out of my mind. I can’t wait to see it at a car show. The details must be incredible. I read your article today, and to sum up my reaction – since when has the fact that a six figure super car been glitchy and full of kinks bothered anyone? To those who actually wanted a useable reliable supercar, for many years the go to choice…

    …the Acura NSX. Oh my. Like you, I have long been a fanboy (maybe its our generation). When I bought my current car, I actually looked at NSX’s and tried to rationalize taking out a 72 month loan on a early 90s model (yes, I could’ve gotten that financing). Luckily, sanity prevailed and I ended up buying a far more sensible 8 year old German luxury car. Actually, part of my reasoning for buying a 330i instead of an M3 was that I would rather own the 330i and an NSX one day rather than just an M3. The NSX is still a dream car, and I think the look is timeless. The car has aged far more gracefully than other exotics of its day.

    Like you though, I feel totally let down by this new one. I know we don’t have firm numbers yet, but I don’t see how this one will live up to the best attributes of the old one, specifically that black magic combination of user friendliness and daily practicality with a soul stirring powerplant and nimble balanced dance down the road handling. I’ll hope Jenson Button or Fernandon Alonso can work some magic on the suspension, but unfortunately I see this car being a heavy, dull, video game like, albeit incredibly fast and grippy sled. Thanks, but Nissan will sell me one of those for $50k less. The styling is not unattractive, and in fact is good looking, but todays supercar designers have picked up their game, and I see this car fading in comparison to the R8, Huracan, 458, 650s, and yes, that boxer wetter from Ford. On a more symbolic level, unlike the original NSX which was revolutionary, this car has little to distinguish it.

    Would this have actually been better as a Honda? The Honda name is the one adorning LMP2, Indy, and now Mclaren Formula 1 cars on racetracks around the world. They’ve got far more performance cred than Acura. I’m sure it would have pissed off the QC guys, but maybe Honda should’ve followed Ford’s lead and turned this over to HPD and marketed it as that…jk. Still, I find it amazing that I’m more ok with the idea of a $300k+ Ford than I am with a $150k Acura.

    As for the cold pool shrinkage…John Stewart may have correctly identified our state motto as “if Darwin was right, we wouldn’t be here”, but it is gonna be highs in the mid 60’s to low 70’s for the next week. :-D

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      scwmcan

      Good points, as for the NSX I am pretty sure that it ( like the original) will be a Honda in the rest of the worls, it will only be an Acura in the markets that Acura exists ( I believe North America only, maybe even US and Canada only).

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    jimbob457

    Cheap gas looks like it will be with us for a decade or more. So what are these so-called hits and misses designed for a situation out of their time have to do with anything?

  • avatar
    ect

    How did TTAC miss the champagne cooler (including 3 flutes specially-designed to fit the cup holders)that will be a $10,000 option in the 2016 Bentley Mulsanne? Talk about a must-have feature!

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    05lgt

    I’ve never owned a truck in my life, but of all these it’s the raptor that I lust for. That p!sses me off, because I want to like the Lexus and NSX more than I do. The GT is one of those things I’m glad exists for someone else to enjoy, but I wouldn’t want one except to sell. The 4C spyder doesn’t live up to the hard tops looks. If I wanted a race car I’d buy one, the GT350R is for people who want someone else to think they wanted a race car. What’s the point of a street legal street useless car? No AC, radio, back seat, carpet etc; but bumpers, airbags and turn signals? That Nisan truck… My Eyes! The caddy V; if there weren’t a HELLCAT this would be cooler. Sure it’s faster on a track than the Chally, but so is a purpose built race car. I’d rather drive a hellcat than a V on the street. Tying Acuras various design language fails into a palatable whole only works if the NSX delivers some remembrance of the engineering voodoo Honda used to have. I want to believe the car will deliver, but can’t stop myself from wondering, if the rears are on rollers, will the fronts pull it off?

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