By on December 22, 2014

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Alfa Romeo will be going its own way for its upcoming Spider, directing Mazda to take its 2016 MX-5 over to Fiat-Abarth instead.

Car reports the new roadster will be “a derivative of project Giorgio,” per Alfa and Maserati brand boss Harald Wester. Giorgio is, of course, the RWD platform that will underpin many a new Alfa, including the expected 159 successor due early this coming summer.

As for the MX-5’s role in the matter, the platform will be heading to Fiat-Abarth, raising the possibility for a new Barchetta or stand-alone Abarth model to emerge from Mazda’s Hiroshima facility in the near future. Alfa’s Spider, however, will be made in Italy, per CEO Sergio Marchionne’s vision for the Alfa brand.

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40 Comments on “Alfa Romeo To Build Spider On Own Platform, Mazda MX-5 To Fiat-Abarth...”


  • avatar
    petezeiss

    Toy Story 5

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      Nothing wrong with toys for good girls and boys :D

      • 0 avatar
        petezeiss

        Why is Alfa “directing” Mazda to do anything? Has Mazda made itself subserviant to Fiat’s minions for some development money ’cause Mazda’s on welfare?

        If greasy Italians are ordering a Japanese company around, that just ain’t right.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          Not as acceptable as a bunch of blockhead Germans ordering Mazda about, I’m sure, but since FCA is a wee bigger then Mazda I suppose it’s their decision on how they should build their cars

          • 0 avatar
            petezeiss

            So, did Mazda recently have to go hat-in-hand to Fiat? I don’t understand the connection between them.

          • 0 avatar
            snakebit

            Let me understand this. When you post that FCA can decide “how they should build their cars”, who are the ‘they’? Hopefully not Mazda, because no one needs to tell them how to build inexpensive, full-featured roadsters, precarious financial position or not. They(Mazda) teach the class. Fiat dictating how to build roadsters to others is the tail giving instructions to the dog. A Fiat roadster can only benefit from Mazda influence. I like Sergio Marchionne a lot, but sending Alfa alone to develop their own MX-5 class roadster? Best of luck with that. Short of considering Honda and the S2000, Mazda doesn’t need lessons from anyone about how to build affordable, reliable, extremely fun roadsters.

          • 0 avatar
            Vulpine

            “So, did Mazda recently have to go hat-in-hand to Fiat? I don’t understand the connection between them.”

            I agree. Mazda is still running hand in hoof with Ford for way too many products.

            And I do believe Fiat was building quite popular roadsters long before Mazda showed up on American soil.

        • 0 avatar
          Car-los

          I think what Mazda wants is some outside perspective to help them refresh their approach to the new generation of the MX-5, after all Mazda resuscitated the small spider sport car using as a model the defunct European spiders and the project took place in California.

          Now they are going to Italy to refresh their approach. I see nothing wrong with that. Even better if they also invite Pinifarina.

        • 0 avatar
          bobman

          Stems from the original co-development agreement between Fiat and Mazda to use the newly developed Miata platform for Alfa. However, Sergio has since said that any Alfa would be made in Italy, at least while he was CEO, therefore the change to have the new Mazda mated with either a Fiat or Abarth.

          The ‘greasy Italians’ were just referring to that.

          • 0 avatar
            petezeiss

            Thanks, bobman. So Mazda is actually the tech donor in the deal but still subject to Sergio’s politics.

          • 0 avatar
            danio3834

            Both sides are subject to fulfilling the agreement they signed. Perhaps you’re reading too much into this.

          • 0 avatar
            bobman

            No politics I can see. The agreement was between Fiat and Mazda. FCA has alternatives to use for Alfa’s entry into that space. I believe Fiat will fulfill its oblications to Mazda.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            You don’t understand “Sergio’s politics”? You do it the “Italian way” or go swimming wit da fishes in the deep blue Mediterranean Sea

            They build Jeeps in Italy, don’t they?

          • 0 avatar
            petezeiss

            But Sergio wears nice sweaters and seems like a gentle professor :-)

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            … and Goti seemed like such a nice boy

        • 0 avatar
          DrGastro997

          Totally agreed- I hope this isn’t a sign of another failed executive order from Hiroshima. The divorce from Ford was the best decision they’ve made. Mazda is doing just fine without any European direction or “order”…

  • avatar
    ...m...

    …forget the barchetta; fiat could do very well with a new sport spider…

  • avatar
    Car-los

    I hope they use the Fiat Dino as their inspiration…

  • avatar
    danio3834

    IMO, the more roadsters the better.

  • avatar
    Jimal

    So what they’re saying is that there will be no small Alfa roadster.

  • avatar
    cwallace

    Alfa has carefully built a reputation in the U.S. as a maker of terrifically finicky cars that scarcely outlive their financing terms. Why would they want to squander that by working with someone with a track record of turning out modern sport cars in quantity?

    I’m sure the Fiat dealers are agitating for something other than four door wagons and tumbleweeds to occupy their showrooms.

  • avatar
    fishiftstick

    This is just another example of Alfa delaying/cancelling product while making promises about its wonderful future. A Miata-based Spider could launch soon: how long does it take to slap on new bodywork and interior trim? An Alfa-only roadster is likely a pipe dream.

    • 0 avatar
      Mullholland

      Shifting this product platform to Fiat/Abarth would seem to guarantee that an Alfa-only roadster would move from pipe dream to sasquatch status.

    • 0 avatar
      Vulpine

      “A Miata-based Spider could launch soon…”, but it wouldn’t be an Alfa, it would be a Mazda with an Alfa body much like the last Ford Thunderbird was a Miata with a stretched Ford body on it. Honestly, Alfa already makes a Spider of their own in Italy, it just doesn’t meet US safety specs yet.

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        ” the last Ford Thunderbird was a Miata with a stretched Ford body on it.”

        Where do you get this BS? The last T-Bird was built on the DEW98 platform. Just stop embarrassing yourself

        DEW98 Platform
        This platform is used in the following vehicles:

        2000–2008 Jaguar S-Type
        2000–2006 Lincoln LS
        2002–2005 Ford Thunderbird
        2008– Jaguar XF

  • avatar
    stuki

    Considering what Abarth did with the lowly 500, that can only be a good thing. The Miata is pretty much perfect as is, but there are times when a Mazdaspeed version in a designer suit would be kind of neat….

  • avatar
    Morea

    The last time Alfa Romeo got involved with the Japanese the world ended up with the Arna. Perhaps it’s for the best that Alfa stays away from Mazda.

    • 0 avatar
      Eyeflyistheeye

      I love the Arna just because of how ridiculous it is.

      The parents of the Skyline and GTA M came together to create a car and ended up with the Arna thinking that the reason people bought compact workaday Nissans were because of their awesome design and fierce driving dynamics, while Alfisti were gaga over Alfa’s legendary build quality and reliability.

      The real problem with Alfa leaving the project is they finally got it right after 33 years and we’ll never see it.

  • avatar
    EAF

    Why is everyone making this same front bumper? Acura beak for the win!

  • avatar
    robc123

    forget fiat-

    Aluminum Lotus MX-5

    Lotus sells it as an Elan in Carbon, Mazda the mx-5 in Aluminum.

    ***mind blown****

    (this blog would be shut down as there would be nothing more to talk about)

  • avatar
    Vulpine

    I’d rather have a new X 1/9 than a new Spyder, but if it has throwback visuals to the old Spyder, I’d be interested.

    Toy car!

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