By on September 26, 2014

Mercedes SL With R134a

After months of investigation regarding the German government’s support of Daimler’s continued use of R134a — in violation of a law mandating use of refrigerants “with a global warming potential no more than 150 times that of carbon dioxide” — the European Commission has given Germany two months to comply with the law, or be fined and taken to court.

Reuters reports the Commission sent its formal request to the Bundesregierung this week, stating that if the government fails to comply, “the Commission may decide to refer the matter to the European Court of Justice.”

Meanwhile, Germany still believes it is not in violation of European Union law, and that the government would reply within two months to the Commission.

As for Daimler, a representative says the company’s position on the use of R134a has not changed, and is still at work on a CO2 replacement expected to arrive in 2017. Daimler’s stance is based on its concerns over the EU-compliant R1234yf refrigerant made by Honeywell, claiming the alternative creates a toxic gas when burned.

The edict comes a few months after Daimler successfully won the right to continue to sell R134a-equipped vehicles in France, when a ban issued by the nation’s economy minister, Ségolène Royal, was found unjustified.

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  • avatar
    turf3

    The correct term is “refrigerant”. “Coolant” is used to refer to materials like Prestone, that carry out heat transfer above standard temp. Hence the “R” in R134a, referring to “Refrigerant”.

  • avatar
    petezeiss

    I simply can’t fathom a global conglomerate like Daimler AG taking a disruptive moral stance out of concern for the well-being of its customers. That’s not how we apes work.

    Is it switchover costs, projected legal exposure, supplier politics or German resistance to supranational pressure that’s the cause of this?

    • 0 avatar
      Hummer

      Be a slave to Honeywell/DuPont for 10 years or until the patent expires, then get told the rf1234f W/E its called is dangerous and be forced to a new refrigerant, or say screw it and go straight to the pinnacle of “safe” refrigerants and never pay the exorbinant refrigerant prices again.

      The EU is run by international companies, and unlike the democratic world, they don’t get elected by the people.

    • 0 avatar
      danio3834

      Likely the added cost for no benefit. This stuff costs roughly $95 a pound around these parts where R134a is about a 1/20th of that. They claim that the extra flammability is the cause for concern, but the cost difference is the likely real driver here.

      • 0 avatar
        CJinSD

        I’m under the impression that it’s only their premium cars that are free of poison gas. The mass-market junk gets the incendiary stuff when new models are certified. The manufacturers’ cost for using the green’s new homicide toy is estimated at about $35 more than using R134. Mercedes is probably spending more on legal challenges and supply disruptions.

        • 0 avatar
          wmba

          “I’m under the impression that it’s only their premium cars that are free of poison gas.”

          And you’d be wrong, as a 5 second google search would show you.

          Mercedes has been entirely consistent on this matter since 2010. I applaud them, as I ‘ve said every time this subject has come up on TTAC

      • 0 avatar
        MBella

        They are spending way more than the extra cost of a couple pounds of refrigerant fighting this.

        • 0 avatar
          CJinSD

          Lib Dem MEP Chris Davies, who helped to draft the new law, said: ‘This amounts to a declaration of war on Daimler. It is widely believed Daimler is trying to avoid paying extra costs of about £20 per vehicle.’

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2298132/New-Mercedes-face-ban-British-roads-flouting-EU-rules-green-air-con.html#ixzz3ER0yOp53
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          That this might get any traction is just a sign that bleat-bleat go the EU sheep on their way to slaughter.

        • 0 avatar
          Lorenzo

          I wouldn’t be surprised if Daimler has evidence of bribery or collusion in the EU bureaucrats’ demand for a proprietary refrigerant. There are big bucks involved for Honeywell.

  • avatar
    S2k Chris

    Time for some Solstice, b*tches!!

    I may be biased in some way on this…. ;)

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