By on November 22, 2010

Motor Trend gets three GM sources to confirm the return of the Pontiac G8 (Holden Commodore) to the North American market… only this time it’s coming as a Chevy. One exec even brags

We have a good name for it…

…and no, it’s not “Impala.” Nor is this simply a civilian version of the Caprice police model, which is based on the long-wheelbase version of the Zeta platform. This will be a limited-numbers affair and V8-only, reports MT, because currency fluctuations have made shipping cars from Australia more expensive. Should GM even be messing around importing the the Antipodean Driving Machine? The numbers might say no, but the fanboys are already screaming “hell yes” (or, more accurately “what about an El Camino ute version?”). Check out Michael Karesh’s reviews of all three versions of the Pontiac G8 (you can even read Liebermann’s Take Two on the GT if you must), and let us know what you think of the return of the G8.

Get the latest TTAC e-Newsletter!

69 Comments on “Pontiac G8 To Return As A Chevy...”

  • avatar

    It kills me to say it, but no, it’s not a good idea.  Large semi-premium cars are a money-losing proposition—rear-drive doubly so—don’t really have much of a halo effect and aren’t a good idea for a company that’s got revenue issues.
    Chrysler can do this because they’ve long ago eaten the development costs.  Ford didn’t even try, nor did Toyota.  Unless GM can make the numbers work (and they might, if they can assemble it along the extant Camaro line) then maybe, but I can’t help but think they should have other priorities.

    • 0 avatar

      Agreed on all points.

      Furthermore, if the currency fluctuations are so sensitive, then the “limited numbers” may become very limited indeed, making all the overhead costs of importing a Holden seem very wasteful.

    • 0 avatar

      But haven’t the development costs already been borne? The platform is already here in the guise of the Camaro and the G8. How much would it really cost to change some badging? Heck, even that is taken care of, thanks to the Middle East market Lumina.

    • 0 avatar

      The development costs have been, the assembly, supply chain and tool-up have not.  This is different from the LX cars or the Panther, which are already paid for, and even those two have problems with cost justification.
      I’m really thinking that a better use of this money would be improving the Malibu.

    • 0 avatar

      Maybe as an AWD?

  • avatar

    Same old GM. Why would this car come back as a Chevrolet? Isn’t it going to be expensive? It will have to be to make money on it.  Isn’t it going to be a luxurious performance car? This car should have Buick written all over it. This ought to be antidote to the 300C.  The Malibu ought to be the top end of Chevrolet’s car line. Anything more expensive ought to be at the Buick dealer.  Once again, old habits die hard.  Give everything to Chevrolet and give nobody a reason to go to the upmarket brands.

    • 0 avatar

      I agree, except for the Buick part. GM is turning Buick into a full-range, high volume upscale or near-lux brand, and if it’s to be imported from Australia, it’ll be too expensive. It should be a Cadillac, with a high enough price to make a decent profit on lower volume.
      Instead of the Commodore sedan, the coupe 60 concept should have been built as an Eldorado, using the classic ’68 Eldo as a model. The sharp edges at the corners would fit right in with Cadillac’s current design “language”. The Chevy option looks like management is going through Bob Lutz’ old ideas.

    • 0 avatar

      Uh, uh…Impala has to be Chevy’s top of the heirarchy. Malibu/Chevelle was always number two. Caprice? That always stunk as a down-badged Pontiac and proved nothing. Impala must always wear the crown. As to where the Holden fits in? I have no idea. A stand-alone cop car to take the Ford’s place of their (I REFUSE TO SAY THE WORD) discontinued rear-drive platform.

      Sorry, but I am a Chevy fan and I maintain a firm hold on tradition, realistic or not. Probably because I have always been around and drove and owned them, especially Impalas. Anyway, just my humble, personal opinion which doesn’t mean a hill of beans to anyone else!

    • 0 avatar

      The Malibu ought to be the top end of Chevrolet’s car line.

      And where would you put Corvette? At the bottom?

  • avatar

    Let’s see… GM listens to it’s customers complaints and decides to re-import the Commodore as a Chevy… And this is bad?
    “Hell yes”. This is great news.

  • avatar

    GM are the biggest bunch of awesome car cockteases out there, and everyone (especially me) just keeps coming back for more frustration.

  • avatar
    Ian Anderson

    Did they fix the crappy gas mileage? Last I checked gas isn’t getting any cheaper and that’s partially what did in the G8 in the first place…

  • avatar

    This car does intrigue me – maybe the new GM can market and price this right… Although I’m skeptical about local Chevy dealers handling this well – I’m in a UAW area – many dealers are used to Turkey Shooting customers who have to buy GM.

  • avatar
    Amendment X

    If they had ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER, a tarted-up version of this would be the next Cadillac flagship. Problem solved, you idiots over at GM. I’ll take my check now :)

  • avatar

    I love the idea of this coming back as a Chevy. Just the thing to counteract the pernicious Aveo. Rear wheel drive, stick, say no more, if the triplet problems of peak oil, nasty oil supplying nations, and climate change were to disappear, I’d be in! And no, I’m not being sarcastic–well, only slightly–I really do like the idea of this thing. Just today I was looking longingly at a mid-90s Caprice. And I’m really a Honda guy (at least as Honda was during the ’90s). If I, of all people, like the idea of a G8 Chevy, I bet a lot of people are going to love it.

  • avatar

    Just watched the video–which ends with demonic laughter in the background. now I’m really lusting after this thing.

  • avatar

    Is this a good idea?  That’s a joke, right.  The design work is done, now start selling some.  Chevelle, anyone?  There’s no reason you can’t have some tire shredders mixed in with the efficient stuff…

  • avatar

    Bloody hell! Please don’t call it Chevelle!! PLEASE!! I’m fine with Caprice, I’ve seen what happens to th.. Wait, we have no choice.. Do we??

  • avatar

    I had planned to order a 2010 GXP but we know how that turned out. Good news for me if it’s sold here again but I won’t believe it until I see it.
    I hate to be negative but this is one of those cars all the fans/enthusiasts say they want but very few will actually buy. I like the El Camino but again, everyone says they want one but few will buy. Hopefully I’m wrong and the G8 sell’s like crazy when marketed as a Chevy. IMHO the GTO would have sold much better if it had been sold as a Chevy (Monte Carlo).

  • avatar

    This won’t help GM’s CAFE numbers.  Oh, wait, this will offset by the limited-numbers Volt.

  • avatar
    Mercury Mark 75

    As a proud owner of a G8 GT I am very happy for the return of this car to our shores.
    For those of you who talk about the cost of the retooling and the like, the platform is payed for.  When GM developed it they payed for it, now they need to squeeze as much money out of it as possible.  If they can sell 30,000 a year why not.  In all reality what do they have to loose?  The tooling is payed for, a shipping route was established, and it really is one hell of a car.

  • avatar

    Come on TTAC, don’t let me down, where is the naming contest?
    Anyway, it’s been mentioned already but Chevelle or Chevelle SS (probably the latter) is where I’d put my money.

  • avatar

    Well my screen name should explain a lot.  The G8 was a tremendous car.  Just price out GT and GXP models at dealerships.  Dealers are getting $25K to $28K for cars they were selling for $28K 18 months ago.  So two model years old, 20K miles on the clock, and there are owners who are getting close to $24K in trade on a car they paid $27K to $28K for.  Wow, that’s not too bad for any car, let alone a Pontiac.  GXPs are selling at $36K to $38K at dealers, and were selling for $40K new.  Do the math.  The demand is clearly there.
    The “limited run” I’m not sure I’m liking.  I understand the “why” V8 only.
    To the poster whining about “crappy” gas mileage are you frackin’ kidding me?

    • 0 avatar
      Ian Anderson

      Full disclosure: I could care less about gas mileage as long as it has eight cylinders and is rear wheel drive. I’d pony up for the gas bill, gotta pay to play. Just saying others might not want to.
      The best thing GM can do is market this as a limited-import only aimed at the enthusiasts who want one.

  • avatar

    “Large semi-premium cars are a money-losing proposition—rear-drive doubly so”
    BMW would disagree, since that define’s their line-up (sans SUV).  Now, claiming that half-baked, poorly designed Big 3 attempts at large semi-premium cars are a money-losing proposition, you’d be a lot closer, though Chrysler made it work.
    Here’s the reason that it’s worth GM pursuing:
    1.  The car already exists…  no plants need to be re-tooled, no significant R&D costs.
    2.  The car has already sold in the US and done well.  The G8 was extremely well received, despite the brand dying around it.  Given the unusual circumstances, I wouldn’t call it a guaranteed hit, but at least worth trying again.
    3.  No commitment:  They are already shipping limited number for AUS over in the Police model, the plant has the capacity, there’s no competitive model in the Chevy line-up.  Try it out.  If they don’t sell, stop shipping them.  If they do sell, figure out how to manufacture them next to the Camaro (which’ll help margins on both cars).  If only every business decision was this low-risk.
    4.  Oil price pressure is less.  Not gone, but relaxed enough that people will consider lower MPG cars again.  In the long-run, they’d need to figure out how to get CAFE numbers up, but they can do that after they of some solid sales history.

    I’m not saying that they need the new Chevelle, Caprice, Monte Carlo or whatever marginally historic name they want to slap on it, as a new Chevy flagship.  And in the long run, it may be better underpinning a Caddy than Chevy (please god, not Buick), but in the short-run, there’s a lot of upside to giving it a try and not a whole lot of risk.

    • 0 avatar

      BMW makes a large, rear-drive car for a very premium price.  If GM could sell Zeta cars for 7-series prices, margin wouldn’t be an issue.
      The economics the Germans operate under are very different.

  • avatar

    Holden’s SSV models are really interesting vehicles, but GM imported stripped-down versions, mostly a chassis with a big engine, not even close to being competitive in features and specifications. Maybe this time GM will get it right. Probably not.

  • avatar

    I’m sure this will just make the global warming believing runts scream like little girls but I bet it would outsell the Cadillac CTS.

  • avatar
    Jeep Guy

    Anyone that would look at this car and worry about gas mileage shouldn’t be looking at the car.  I personally can’t wait to see a “hot” Chevy sedan, and if it is as “hot” as the G8, it may swing me back over to GM……..  I’m old school, and I follow American branded V-8’s and RWD wherever they may lead.  The hemi Charger and 300 are the “only” current choices available, and I’m open to more choices.

  • avatar

    The Pontiac G8 should come back as a Pontiac period! Pontiac is a Brand that would have attracted much more buyers than Buick ever will no matter how good the cars are. Buick just reeks of “grandpa’s car” in the US. GM chose to save Buick because the last emperor of China had a Buick and this has enshrined the brand to a higher level than Cadillac in China but you can be sure it will be a short-lived cash cow as the younger Chinese start discovering Audis and BMWs.

  • avatar

    Dont forget the Holden V8 versions now come with cylinder deactivation. Above 60kph it  beomes a v4.
    Fuel consumption problem solved.

    • 0 avatar

      Yes, but – there are the laws of physics – obeying those laws are not optional.
      Even though 4 cylinders are shut off, you still have the internal friction and the mass of a V8.  Finally, the G8 weighed in at almost 2 tons.  That’s a lot of metal to move around and moving that amount of mass will always require a certain amount of energy – whether that energy comes from four or eight cylinders is less important.
      I like V8 rear-drive cars, but fuel economy is not their strong suit.  Build it with a standard direct-injected, turbo-charged V6 with an option to go V8 – now you can sell fuel economy and performance.

  • avatar

    If they’re worried about currency fluctuations, why don’t they build it in North America? I don’t get it.

  • avatar

    Oddly enough the local press hasn’t picked this up down here, and they do love cheering on our locally built land-yacht, in fact one even ran an obituary on the G8 and the export program in general.

    • 0 avatar

      You may have blinked and missed it…, was on drive a few days ago:

      As for those talking about the tooling differences between the Camaro and Commodore (G8), you can see how similar they are by looking at what this guy has done – most of the panels are interchangable – he’s only modified the guards.

    • 0 avatar

      Oh My… It’s a CAMAROCAMINO!!!
      Thank you, Grr!

  • avatar

    As a fan of that car, it’s a great idea.  As an unwilling co-conspirator to the bailout of GM, it’s yet another sign that this company will continue to make bad decisions in perpetuity.

  • avatar

    Well, they registered the name Chevrolet Sonic back on October 5th. I was assuming it was the name for the new Aveo, but it could be for this car.

  • avatar

    The current model has Displacement on Demand (it wouldn’t be Euro 4 compliant otherwise), so the fuel economy problem has been addressed.

    The currency rate isn’t really a problem ; the derivetrain is imported from USA so a stronger Australian dollar makes it cheaper to build.

    Why not just call it the Chevrolet Commodore.

  • avatar
    George B

    If I understand the new CAFE rules, the longer wheelbase of the Caprice cop car has a bigger footprint and therefore gets easier CAFE limits for the same frontal area.  Why not just make the police car also available for civilians?  One Holden body style to import with a group of fleet customers ready to buy if retail customers don’t materialize.
    I really like the idea of an El Camino as an alternative to a compact pickup.  Wide bed for sheets of building material, car ride and handling, and it would qualify as a truck for CAFE purposes so GM could probably throw V8s in every unit sold.  Just let the aftermarket change the rear end gearing from maximum gas mileage to best quarter mile time.

  • avatar

    If we didn’t want it before, why would we want it now? The sales figures were awful. I can’t imagine they’d improve with Holden’s less-attractive snout and an even more competitive marketplace.

    I tested this car before I bought my Maxima. Handling, looks, and interior room were all strong points. Interior quality was class-competitive in the $25K range. Problem was, as a single driver, I couldn’t justify a car that big, and the seats were designed for the top percentile of giant American asses. What’s the point of side bolstering if it’s three inches away? These details matter; I dumped 70 HP and RWD for them.

    • 0 avatar

      I think the mixed sales figures were more a sign of 1) the knowledge that Pontiac was on its way out and 2) the dealer markups. I read elsewhere (perhaps in this thread, I’m too lazy to look right now) that the cars that were sold here have held their value rather well.

    • 0 avatar

      I visited a Pontiac dealer in the spring of 2008.  They had one GT in stock.  A sign in the window declaring the car was not available for test drives.  A label next to the window sticker with a $5,000 Market Adjustment. 
      I left and went to the BMW dealer down the street.  They got my business.

  • avatar

    I think most of the reason the G8 sold so poorly was because hardly anybody even knew it existed. I can’t recall ever seeing an ad for one (I’m sure they exist, though) and I only know about them because I’m a car enthusiast who reads TTAC daily. There aren’t a lot of car enthusiasts left, it seems, let alone ones that know the details of some out-of-the-blue Pontiac (who was following Pontiac anymore anyway?) rebadge of some Australian car.

    However, I bet if they put a little makeup on it and called it the Chevelle it would sell like hotcakes.

  • avatar

    Chrysler has proven that Americans will buy a large RWD car, if the price, style and quality are right.  BMW sells all RWD cars, people love them, everyone wants them.  If Toyota made a RWD Camry, do you really think they would lose any buyers?  Hell no, they would gain the enthusiast buyers and keep all the appliance drivers as well.  There is no reason why a RWD car has to get worse fuel economy than FWD.  The arguement comes down to cost, plain and simple.  RWD cars cost more, and they are in it for profit, first and foremost.

    But GM is having a tough time competing with Toyota and Honda.  A Malibu vs. Camry is a tough sell for most buyers, the Camry is the safer choice.  Its hard to beat the imports at thier own game, GM needs a hook to attract buyers.  If GM would bite the bullet and go after the enthusiasts with a solid RWD platform, or even a range of platforms, they would have that hook.  The Japanese cars had it 40yrs ago with economy, the Germans did it 25 yrs ago with sporty handling, the Koreans did it 15 yrs ago with extreme value.  Now the Americans can do it with performance and nostalgia.

    This car is a no-brainer, the G8 was already developed, and very well received.  The only reason it didnt sell so well is because of GM killing Pontiac.  A full-size RWD is already a proven market, they may as well try to compete with Dodge.  But how about a RWD mid-size, a bargain priced 3-series competitor?  Nova, anyone?  Imagine if they built the Cruze to be RWD, instead of trying to make a Chevy Corolla?  A modern-day E30, now that would be worth the extra couple grand they are already trying to make off the car.

    What really pisses me off is they already had this planned, they already have the platforms, they already spent the development money.  They have the Solstice platform, the G8 platform, the Camaro, the CTS.  They build great engines, thats not the problem.  They can even build an interior now, and styling has been great.  Between those 3 cars, everything is there, its done.  They stretch the Solstice a bit, that does duty for the compact and mid-size models.  G8/Camaro can handle the full-size and large car chassis.  Coupes, sedans, wagons, the Ecotec engines, the DSI turbo 4-cyl, the 3.6 V6, of course the V8s… its all there.  All they had to do was get the styling right, market it with a message saying “yes, it costs a bit more for us to make, but it works better”.  Instead they let the beancounters control things, they try to make a Camry and a Corolla clone, but charge more money for them, and they end up pleasing no one and attracting no new buyers.

    • 0 avatar

      Why does rear wheel drive cost more? The only reason i can think of is lower volumes. The main reason car companies originally moved to front wheel drive is that it improves the interior volume (no transmission tunnel)

    • 0 avatar

      I agree, it shouldnt cost more, but thats what I understand is the issue.  It apparently costs more to develop a RWD platform and powertrain, rather than just a one-piece FWD powertrain.  Yes, it packages better, and I can see that being the point in a Camry, where performance isnt as important as interior space.  My point is that GM has a difficult time competing with cars like the Camry, buyers are reluctant to take the plunge, its “safer” to go with the industry standard.  Aside from GM fans who overlook the usual complaints, and price-shoppers who just look for the biggest discounts, they have trouble.  Thats why I say screw it, offer a car that Toyota wont make.  Go for the performance angle, offer something no one else has:  RWD at an attractive price point.  You can still offer AWD for the snow-belt buyers, but BMW does fine without it for the most part.  Why cant GM?

      The Camaro and Corvette are thier halo cars, how about offering the same exciting spirit in a range of sedans?  Then, when people get excited about those cars, they can branch out to more practical FWD Camry competitors… if they even need to.  I think they would find Toyota offering RWD instead.

    • 0 avatar

      Thei’re probably gonna call it Lumina SS,  since they allready have those badges lying around from some middle-eastern country.
      And Toyota is allready offering RWD sedans, and charging extra for the improved driving experience and luxury the RWD platforms give.

  • avatar

    With high performance import sedans starting in the upper $60s, this is a good idea. If it is not ugly, I will look at it.

  • avatar

    In the Middle east we have this beast, and it’s called the Chevrolet CSV CR8, a step up from the Lumina SS. so shipping it to the U.S should be easy peasy… no need to assemble it on the Camaro line or anything… and i’m sure if it is available many would buy it because it’s just so many horses for the money…

  • avatar
    Mark MacInnis

    In other news, the hot new hairstyle story for men in 2012 will be the return of the mullet….

  • avatar

    After so many years of GM pretending they were going to make this car, would you indulge me if I said “I’ll believe it when I see it”?

  • avatar
    Domestic Hearse

    Bel Air?

    That’s all that’s left, historically, after Caprice and Impala are ruled out. (Chevrolet sedans, as defined by having four doors, and not a wagon.)

    Maybe it’ll be a mash-up…

    Corcayne? (she don’ like, she don’ like…)

  • avatar
    Mr Carpenter

    Chevelle would be one possibility, but I also like Bel Air. 

    But it’ll only end up being yet another black hole of money for Government Motors, much as the car-guy in me doesn’t want to admit that. 

    • 0 avatar

      What are you on about? The development costs have been eaten. It can be shipped in and seen if it sells. GM is damned whatever it does. You would be the first to say “I want choice”, “I want a RWD large car” etc etc, so when GM does that you then complain.
      BTW it is General Motors, the Govt owns around 26% of the shares. I suppose youi never buy VW or Audi since their Govt owns shares.

  • avatar

    Numerous huge misconceptions here about this car and GM’s situation with it.

    This car was developed and paid for a long time ago by their subsidary Holden.  Holden’s home market is shrinking and becaming much more competitive.  To survive Holden has to maintain a certain export volume for their cars which GM sells globally, mostly as Chevrolets.

    Holden needs more volume, so they’re selling the Holden Caprice in the US as the Chevrolet Caprice.  The Commodore here was sold (stupidly) as the Pontiac G8 until GM went bankrupt.  Cancelling Pontiac and the G8 export program was an extreme blow to Holden and they lost big money on it.

    Holden is a tiny, tiny operation.  Unlike the mothership or most multinational automakers Holden cannot absorb numerous setbacks like this.  It threatens their very existence.  If Holden topples GM will have to spend a huge amount of money rescuing them, not unlike the situation Opel is in right now.

    To compensate Holden won the Caprice program which will provide a lot of needed volume.  The wheels to start reselling the Commodore in the US started turning again after GM emerged from bankruptcy, it also helps that Holden has friends high at GM since a few were promoted out of the subisdary to the mothership.  

    The Commodore back in the US as a Chevrolet is a no brainer.  It is ready to go immediately and it is an extremely good product.  It will also provide more of the volume Holden needs and give them another good market (and a strong brand) to serve.  They can also sell the Ute and wagon bodystyles to further bolster the volume.  It will also have an audience loaded and waiting when it gets here due to its reputation from Pontiac as well.

    Also, the Commodore is not a premium or luxury product.  It’s no more luxurious than a Dodge Charger R/T.  It’s a mainstream family car with athletic moves and an athletic design focused on comfort and performce, not on beating Lexus or BMW.  It’s a perfect fit for Chevrolet.


    • 0 avatar
      Greg Locock

      Good post TriShield. Now explain why it makes sense to assemble a car largely built from Chinese components in a country that pays its assembly workers more than twenty dollars an hour (since 1A$=1US$ these days)(and incidentally the bennies would make your eyes pop), and then ship it across the Pacific, having already shipped the components halfway across the Pacific?

      Assembly in China, Canada, or even the USA makes more sense. I gather it would have to be retooled to some extent in those cases, admittedly.

  • avatar
    bumpy ii

    Sure, why not? The development costs are already sunk, so just build 3, 5, or 7,000 in March, load them on a boat, and distribute them in May. Anyone who misses out can get on the waiting list for next year’s batch.

    They’ll end up calling it a Laguna or SS or Valmont something.

    • 0 avatar

      Laguna SS makes a lot of sense.  Laguna was the top line Chevelle for a number of years and was pretty hot for the times.  A funny name for a car because it means “lagoon” in Spanish, but of course this is a nod to tony Laguna Beach, CA.  Great name for a very low-volume car.  Nothing wrong with Chevrolet selling expensive cars.  They’ve been doing it for years with Corvette, Suburban, Tahoe and Silverado.  Different kind of ride than Buick or Cadillac, perfect for an SS label.

    • 0 avatar

      Dang, you beat me to it.  That name occurred to me out of the blue while I was cruising along the highway today.  I am going to retract my previous Chevelle SS prediction and go with Laguna SS instead.
      I was always thought the name Laguna was a nod to the Laguna Seca racetrack.

  • avatar

    That is all.

    • 0 avatar

      AMEN!  I would strongly think about trading in the G8 GT if a sportwagon Zeta was available in the states with a L92 or LS3 under the hood AND a 6-speed manual.

  • avatar

    Hate to see a bowtie on it…what’s next the GTO with a tie?

  • avatar

    How about Impala SS? The last one of those was, at the time, the best rear drive sedan ever to wear a Chevrolet badge.

  • avatar

    A little armchair quarterbacking here:
    1.  Chevy is balls deep in product mix.  The Impala is getting produced through 2014.  Why give them another large sedan?
    2.  If Buick is attempting to appeal to buyers with a pulse, the FWD Regal GS alone won’t cut it.  Give the Commodore to Buick, rename it (Wildcat, please), equip it with 450HP or so, leather everywhere, real wood on the dash and have a go at it.

  • avatar

    I think this car should go to Buick as well under some iconic nameplate as well. Of course, if the morons at GM had canned Buick and kept Pontiac like they should have, this would be an irrelevant discussion, since this car was already the G8. That had be said, BTW.

    The AU Caprice should be sold to the public as a RWD Impala SS, top of the Chevrolet food chain. Instead GM thinks it needs ANOTHER FWD sedan so that’s where the Impala name is going again instead, because you can’t have too many FWD rental cars.

  • avatar

    This car is not a Chevelle, Monte Carlo, Caprice, or any other iconic name from the past.  I had a second generation Chevelle and Monte Carlo.  And this car is neither.
    I test drove a G8 GT a few months before Pontiac folded and I liked it, although my test drive was pretty limited. Additionally, I had only recently found full time work after being laid off some months earlier so was not serious about buying anything.
    IF, this car comes back–Please GM if you are reading this, don’t dilute the Chevelle name. A new Chevelle would need much softer styling cues, and probably four round headlamps upfront.
    Why not just name it the Chevy G8?

  • avatar

    it might also be the next Bel Air?

Read all comments

Back to TopLeave a Reply

You must be logged in to post a comment.

Recent Comments

  • RHD: The original post in this thread had the analysis of its content in the very last line: “All BS.”...
  • Inside Looking Out: Grishka Rasputin is a brand of vodka.
  • redgolf: “The rule of thumb is never buy first year production cars” I disagree, I bought a 97 Pontiac GP...
  • SD 328I: Isn’t the current Ranger outselling everyone but the Tacoma? The current Ranger is nowhere near the...
  • SD 328I: You can blame VW for the larger Ranger, the next Amarok is going to be based on the Ranger, and they needed...

New Car Research

Get a Free Dealer Quote

Who We Are

  • Adam Tonge
  • Bozi Tatarevic
  • Corey Lewis
  • Mark Baruth
  • Ronnie Schreiber