What's Missing From the GM-Chrysler Coverage. Allegedly.

what s missing from the gm chrysler coverage allegedly

DaveAdmin over at Allpar Weblogs is just as unhappy with the coverage of the potential GM – Chrysler debacle merger as your faithful TTAC correspondents. But for different reasons. Apparently, it’s OK for the mainstream press and armchair analysts to suggest that this is a done deal, but they don’t “get it” when it comes to what might come next. In the main, DaveAdmin reckons they’re all guilty of the sin of omission. “No article I have seen suggests that maybe, because the Dodge trucks are clearly superior (especially in Class 3-5), that GM might shift over to Dodge’s designs. Only one mentioned the Dodge trucks in any way other than ‘to be canned’ at all, and that was to point out the bad timing of their launch. Ford’s big, trucklike Flex, Toyota’s Tundra (with one factory already being converted to other uses), and Ford’s upcoming F-series were apparently examples of good timing. No article I’ve seen mentions the Hemi except disparagingly, as in ‘dummies make V8s when people don’t want them any more.’ (Four years ago.) Never mind that trucks still need V8s and the Hemi is best in class, especially in variable cam form. No article I’ve seen mentions the Phoenix engines or the dual-clutch transmission technology. The latter, to be fair, appears to be dead at the moment, as Chrysler chose to cancel their launch by picking a fight with Getrag and abruptly canceling all talks.” Yeah, to be fair. It gets better…

“No article I’ve seen mentions the possibility that maybe GM would keep the Dodge and Jeep brands alive, and drop Pontiac and/or Buick. I really don’t think the Chinese will care if Buick disappears from the United States, honestly. Nor do Americans still seem to think of Pontiac as the sporty brand, despite the G8, which could live on as the Dodge Charger. Or not.” Hey! That’s our line! Anyway, bravo to DaveAdmin for setting us straight on who’s really calling the tune here. “Cerberus owns Chrysler and it may soon control a large enough chunk of GM to call the shots, even as its spokesmen profess helplessness – or, as they prefer to do, remain silent, and allow pundits to cover the wrong game.” [thanks to .hmmessage P {margin:0px;padding:0px;} body.hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Stingray for the link]

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  • BlueBrat BlueBrat on Oct 21, 2008

    I rented a Dodge truck before to do some hauling of crap, and I'll never do that again. Sorry, but they are just awful vehicles.

  • BigOldChryslers BigOldChryslers on Oct 21, 2008

    I usually avoid the "Dodge trucks are inferior to GM trucks" discussions because I haven't followed reliability ratings for the latest generation of either truck, but I have a '94 Ram 2500 with a Cummins and I'm very happy with it. It's also been very reliable in my opinion. I bought it used in 2001. I don't expect I'll be looking to replace it for another 6 years or more. On the same day I bought my truck, I also test-drove a 1996 Chevy p/u with the 6.5L turbodiesel and was unimpressed. The interior didn't strike me as being any better than the Dodge. The 6.5L diesel doesn't have a good reliability record, and the 1st gen Duramax that replaced it doesn't either. I have rented a newer (2006?) GM pickup for a week once. (My truck was in for bodywork due to a minor accident.) It would be an apples-and-oranges comparison because the rental was gas-powered, 4x4, 1/2 ton, but I was happy to be driving my own truck again at the end of the week. If the new smaller Cummins slated for the 2010 Dodge 1500 is as reliable as the larger Cummins engines are, that will be on my list when it comes time to replace my current truck.

  • FreedMike Back in the '70s, the one thing keeping consumers from buying more Datsuns was styling - these guys were bringing over some of the ugliest product imaginable. Remember the F10? As hard as I try to blot that rolling aberration from my memory, it comes back. So the name change to Nissan made sense, and happened right as they started bringing over good-looking product (like the Maxima that will be featured in this series). They made a pretty clean break.
  • Flowerplough Liability - Autonomous vehicles must be programmed to make life-ending decisions, and who wants to risk that? Hit the moose or dive into the steep grassy ditch? Ram the sudden pile up that is occurring mere feet in front of the bumper or scan the oncoming lane and swing left? Ram the rogue machine that suddenly swung into my lane, head on, or hop up onto the sidewalk and maybe bump a pedestrian? With no driver involved, Ford/Volkswagen or GM or whomever will bear full responsibility and, in America, be ambulance-chaser sued into bankruptcy and extinction in well under a decade. Or maybe the yuge corporations will get special, good-faith, immunity laws, nation-wide? Yeah, that's the ticket.
  • FreedMike It's not that consumers wouldn't want this tech in theory - I think they would. Honestly, the idea of a car that can take over the truly tedious driving stuff that drives me bonkers - like sitting in traffic - appeals to me. But there's no way I'd put my property and my life in the hands of tech that's clearly not ready for prime time, and neither would the majority of other drivers. If they want this tech to sell, they need to get it right.
  • TitaniumZ Of course they are starting to "sour" on the idea. That's what happens when cars start to drive better than people. Humanpilots mostly suck and make bad decisions.
  • Inside Looking Out Why not buy Bronco and call it Defender? Who will notice?
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