By on February 17, 2015
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Park Anywhere, this is a Code BROWN!!!

An autojourno told me that getting a Tesla Model S P85D for evaluation is tough, even without a Death Watch series hanging over their head. Yet Tesla’s boss went on 60 minutes admitting his concerns during Christmas 2008, concerns that paralleled ours.  No matter, Death Watches are TTAC’s past. Meet our “Code Brown” instead.

And stick around: because you, dear reader, shall help us review it.


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Spend a few minutes in a freshly delivered P85D for sensory overload: one cannot process all the new and radical in one sitting.

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To wit, the gigantic screen’s demand for a vehicle name: there’s only one name for perhaps the last brown Tesla ever made, ordered with this speedy powertrain.

One can rightly argue the P85D’s holeshot is diaper worthy.

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And while “insane mode” is a big part of the story, it’s kinda not. Code Brown possesses more than a single man could road test over the course of a week.

Hence the clarion call for reader feedback, before testing begins. Post your questions, concerns, insights, etc for TTAC’s upcoming review. I’ll read them, make notes and citations, using it as a foundation for my time with this Tesla Model S P85D.

Off to you, Best and Brightest.

 

(Special thanks to my brother for giving me his new daily driver for the upcoming review.  No Public Relations Butts were hurt in TTAC’s acquisition of Code Brown.)

 

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85 Comments on “CODE BROWN! Help Review Tesla’s Model S P85D...”


  • avatar

    I VOLUNTEER MYSELF AS TRIBUTE.

    I wrote this about the P85 and since I’m probably the only one here who had two P85D for more than a week – as well as the P85 – not to mention, “videod both”, I’d be happy to write one!

    http://www.epinions.com/review/2013_Tesla_Model_S_epi/content_603226738308?sb=1

    I’ll start writing RIGHT NOW and have it to Derek or Jack by the end of the day.

    • 0 avatar

      Well that wasn’t what I meant, let me make sure it’s clear to all readers:

      “Post your questions, concerns, insights, etc for TTAC’s upcoming review. I’ll read them, make notes and citations, using it as a foundation for my time with this Tesla Model S P85D.”

      • 0 avatar

        Oh…

        Can I still write a P85D review?

      • 0 avatar

        Here’s a couple questions for you:

        #1 WHY IS IT that Tesla fanboys try to DOWNPLAY the cost of the P85D?

        When I mention that they cost $135,000 – since they come pretty much fully loaded to the dealer, the Tesla fanbots want to talk about their “starting” price when basically all you get is seats and a steering wheel.

        #2 WHY IS IT that Audi hasn’t taken this time to make an advertisement where they place their RS7 directly against a P85D and show the public every single way the RS7 is better.

        No range anxiety, superior cabin comfort, superior handling, superior worksmanship and a far more attractive price since the A7 and S7 and RS7 are all cheaper than similarly equipped P85D and P85.

        I already KNOW the answer. It’s because of the EMOTIONAL attachment to the Model-S. They go to bed everynight having wet dreams about owning a silent electric car so they can save the Earth – despite natural processes of plate tectonics and volcanism – since they never passed Geology 101.

        • 0 avatar

          I like the A/S/RS7 angle. That’s a good idea.

          • 0 avatar

            At the end of the day, the only thing TESLA can count on is RICH PEOPLE who want to adopt a “green” image.

            Anyone with any level of intellectual fortitude would choose an RS7.

            You get the performance, a whole hell of a lot more technology and the hatchback space.

            My biggest problem with the Model S is that the interior is NOT comfortable and looks rental car grade.

            I have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA how the fanboys talk bad about Chevy, Chrysler and Ford interiors and let the Model S pass.

            Is the display screen capable of HYPNOSIS???

        • 0 avatar
          akatsuki

          Easy – because some Tesla owners actually understand money and finance and you don’t

          TCO for a Tesla is way, way cheaper than the RS7. The two drivers for TCO are depreciation and fuel. The cost of the old P85+ was on par with the Honda Odyssey effectively on a 5 year ownership timeline. It was cheaper than the new Hyundai Genesis which gets crap mileage.

          So the only cost complaint a Tesla owner would have is not cost of ownership, but possibly cash flow since it is a larger up front cost (which is obviated by financing).

          • 0 avatar

            Akatsuki

            “Easy – because some Tesla owners actually understand money and finance and you don’t”

            that’s a pretty STUPID comment for someone to say to a person who actually owns his own business and earns money simply “talking about” and “driving” cars on low-quality cellphone videos.

            Do me a favor: show me where YOU earned over $1100 in a single month from a cellphone video.

            Let’s see:

            I spent $0 Making videos and Earned $1100.

            And this comes on the heals of earning $800+ per month for the same activity.

            …on top of my regular income…

            Explain my profit margin to me please…

        • 0 avatar
          cmoibenlepro

          The RS7 is VERY expensive for a stretched A4. At least the Tesla is an exclusive car.

          The RS7 is not electric, bland interior, and meh looks.

        • 0 avatar
          healthy skeptic

          @bigtruck

          >> It’s because of the EMOTIONAL attachment to the Model-S.

          What’s wrong with that? If a product draws you emotionally, and you can afford it, why should you not buy it? Doesn’t that pretty much describe every discretionary purchase ever made? That strategy worked pretty well for Apple.

          Speaking of discretionary purchases, by your logic there are many cars where the same argument can be made against the RS7. I’m not an expert in the Audi lineup, but I’m sure there are equivalent or down-market offerings from BMW, Lexus and even Audi that compare well to the RS7 and beat it handily on price.

    • 0 avatar
      doctorv8

      BTS says:
      “I VOLUNTEER MYSELF AS TRIBUTE.”

      You know the word “tribute” means a positive review, right? We’ve all heard ad nauseam your disdain for the model S, or anything else that’s not an SRT or a W222, for that matter.

      Then he goes on to say:
      “Anyone with any level of intellectual fortitude would choose an RS7 {which has} a whole hell of a lot more technology”

      So for the dumb P85D owners who should have bought the Audi….do tell them about how it has “a whole hell of a lot more technology” than the model S, please.

    • 0 avatar
      Jellodyne

      But a Mazda Tribute isn’t really a big truck.

      • 0 avatar
        doctorv8

        Correct, which is why he’s trying to Escape my question.

        • 0 avatar

          I’m not even sure what your question was. But I’m 100% certain that if I was 100% sure what your question was – it would be even more irrelevant.

          • 0 avatar
            doctorv8

            Let’s try again.

            “So for the dumb P85D owners who should have bought the Audi….do tell them about how it has “a whole hell of a lot more technology” than the model S, please.”

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Well, for one thing after driving the A7 250 miles all it’s technology would still be working

          • 0 avatar
            doctorv8

            So you don’t know what my question was, yet you somehow know it’s irrelevant.

            Let’s try again.

            I asked for you to tell the P85D owners (who lack intellectual fortitude) who should have bought the Audi about how it has “a whole hell of a lot more technology” than the model S.

            Your reply was “You get the performance, a whole hell of a lot more technology and the hatchback space.”

            In other words, you repeated yourself. I’m still waiting to hear about the Tesla trumping tech in the RS7.

            Hint: Handwriting recognition, cooled seats, and HUD pale in comparison to Tesla’s seamless TACC using regen braking, low CG, available 3rd row seats, frunk,and an HD user interface with hundreds of internet radio stations.

          • 0 avatar
            doctorv8

            Lie2me, I’ve driven over 1000 miles in the P85D, and not only do all the features still work, it actually has more features than it did when I got it, thanks to over the air firmware updates. Try that in the Audi, or any other car.

            Here is a DIRECT quote from BTSR from his Tesla review that he cited in post#1 above:
            “I’d rather buy this than a ubiquitous German luxury car.”

            So, does that make him, using HIS OWN WORDS above, lacking “any level of intellectual fortitude” for picking it over the Audi?

            You be the judge.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            A 1000 mile range? Wow, that’s impressive, Tesla says you should only get 242 miles before your technology shuts down

          • 0 avatar
            doctorv8

            LOL, yeah, you get more miles per tank out of the four ringer. If that matters, the Tesla ain’t your ride.

      • 0 avatar
        Maymar

        It’s not the greatest SUV in the world, it’s just a Tribute.

  • avatar
    Lie2me

    Does it come with a stick?

  • avatar
    PrincipalDan

    Bonus points to Mr. Mehta if he can accomplish a maneuver in “Code Brown” that actually makes him shat himself.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    Tesla needs to “dare greatly,” as Cadillac does.

    Cadillac

    The Arena. “Dare Greatly”:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_fm3O5h9Bg

    Love Johan SoHo Zohan, Melody CT-Lee & Publicus

  • avatar
    SMIA1948

    One thing that I love about the Tesla is the luggage capacity. The Tesla offers vastly more of it than any other big sedan. Don’t forget to compare/mention that.

    The Tesla also has more rear seat room than an A7/S7/RS7.

    I have driven a friend’s Model S (not a P85D, though), and I love the “one pedal” driving. The ride/handling tradeoff is also amazing for a vehicle with 19″ wheels.

  • avatar

    Hey Sajeev – how’s this for starters:

    The P85D’s acceleration is its strongest selling point. Zero-to-60 in just 3-point-zero seconds – which will gradually increase to 3-point-more seconds as the tires are ground to dust. The so-called “insane mode” delivers maximum delta-V…more than 1G’s worth of acceleration…able to pin cellphones to the seat cushions.

    Does it really “feel” that fast?

    As a driver of high performance cars, I wasn’t truly “shocked” by the acceleration of the P85D. One of the problems I had came from the association of loud sound with acceleration. The P85D is nearly silent – aside from some road, wind and tire noises. There is an electrical *whir* that sounds like phasers on the Starship Enterprise being charged up, but it’s the only thing you’ll hear.

    The Model S P85D will run the quarter mile in around 11.8 seconds, but after the initial acceleration jolt, the car settles itself on the road as it proceeds to whatever its top speed has been set to in the firmware.

    The P85D represents the car of the “digital age”. Its computer link to Tesla allows them to diagnose, collect user data and most importantly: update the car wirelessly. The update shaves about a tenth of a second from the car’s 0-60 time and raises the top speed to 155 mph – up from 130 mph.

    Because the P85D collectively combines the advantages of All-Wheel-Drive with the linear and “instant” peak torque of electric motors, beating it on a drag strip becomes a difficult challenge for most street-legal, production cars. Only the high-displacement, forced-induction supercars stand a chance against the ferocity of the P85D.

    The acceleration abilities further show themselves when passing on the highway. Between 60 – 100mph, the P85D makes short work of 95% of the cars you’re most likely to find yourself in traffic in, unless you happen to live around a bunch of rich people with V12 and W16 engines. Driving becomes a “point-and-shoot” affair – requiring far less planning and timing. Diving through yellow lights – equally simplified.

    Unfortunately, the vast majority of the American/European/Everybody-else markets can’t even hope to afford one.

    One of the least talked about aspects of the P85D is the cost. While many hopeful buyers want to talk about the P85D’s entry cost, $105,000 Both my testers had sticker costs exceeding $135,000 (before state/local taxes) including all major options.

    Then there’s the interior which is as bland as the $71,000 base model’s. While there are optional colors and seating materials available in the Tesla store’s wall-mounted design configurator, many buyers may not want to drop $3500 on a seat upgrade.

    There are Alcantara touches on the dashboard and headliner, slightly more cushion/bolstering in the seats, the newest shift-stalk and window controls from Mercedes-Benz parts-bin and a slight upgrade to the center console and floor plate…but for me, the only real improvement I truly noticed was the word “P85D” in the LCD display and the “Insane-Mode” slider.

    For the cost of a P85D, there are plenty of other cars that could be had that offer more interior comfort, more leg space, more rear seat space, and a far lower price. Several cars in fact: the Mercedes S-class 4-matic, BMW-7, Audi A7 (or even S7)…and the lst continues to cars below $60,000: Hyundai Genesis AWD, Chrysler 300 AWD… and then the list dips even lower to the Dodge Charger AWD and Chevrolet Impala…

    All of these vehicles lack the “range anxiety” of owning this car in areas without well developed commuter electric-vehicle charging options. My nearest Tesla supercharger is at the JFK Airport. Sure I could go there if I needed a quick boost of electrons, but while it would take me less than 4 minutes to fully refuel any of the above named cars, I would literally have to find something to do with myself while my P85D charged. I could go into the taxi-driver rest-stop for a snack or use the bathroom for a monstrous #2…but if I were in a hurry to say: get to a sick family member, would I want to take the chance with an electric vehicle?

    SO WHY BUY A TESLA???

    Ultimately, the only reasons I can come up with for even considering buying a P85D is that:

    a) I’m rich and I can afford it.
    b) I want to be seen in one.
    c) I want to be different than everyone else on the road (besides the other Tesla owners)
    d) I have a second car already
    e) I don’t drive very far daily/weekly and I have charging equipment in my garage

    This is a beautiful car. This is a fast car. But when it costs more than 3 times what the average American family is paying for a car, it’s simply not a decision many are prepared to make. I could buy both the Hellcat Charger and Hellcat Challenger – with gas money and change to spare for a good while – for the cost of just one P85D – and get twice as many props on the internet and on the street.

    The Model S P85D isn’t just a car…it’s a mindset.

    • 0 avatar
      jetcal1

      BT,
      if I may quote you;
      “The Model S P85D isn’t just a car…it’s a mindset.”

      Why do people buy a particular boat or airplane over another brand?
      Because it’s a mind set. You’d have to be crazy to buy a wood hull trawler as pleasure craft. The upkeep costs are insane. But, for some it has an intangible appeal. Why should the Tesla be any different for those that can indulge their desires.
      As another example, there is no longer any rational reason to prefer a manual over an automatic transmission for performance or mileage reasons. Yet, some of us prefer the manual. We indulge ourselves for no rational reason except for the pleasure we derive from shifting gears.
      Why should the Tesla be any different?

      It would be interesting to interview owners as to why they bought the vehicle. I wonder if the answers would surprise the cynical.

    • 0 avatar
      cmoibenlepro

      Yeah just like you could compare an R8 with a mustang and say the R8 sucks big time since you could get a V8 mustang for half the price.

      Wait, the R8 must be so good if the RS7 is so much better than a P85D, well yes my bad, double standards, I forgot…

      • 0 avatar

        MINDSET can be “badgewhoring”.

        I’d never buy a BMW used or new, nor would I buy an Audi. I don’t want their “badges” enough.

        The Model S is a mindest not so much about the “name of the car”, but the “idea of being ‘green\'”.

        People were just as excited about Fisker until they realized the car sucked.

        Same goes with the Volt and Leaf.

        Eventually you realize you have to make too many sacrifices to buy into their mentality.

    • 0 avatar

      Yeah, it’s gonna be reviewed as a luxury car. Looking at any Tesla from any other lense is beyond stupid.

      That’s like if it was 100 years ago and I bitched about a 1915 Dodge Touring being too expensive because all my readers can afford is a horse. Things that set a new precedent are always aimed at the wealthy.

      Actually I’d like to know if there ever was anything invented and initially sold to the not-upper class of society.

      • 0 avatar

        A “luxury car” with an interior that cheap?

        If you transplanted the Tesla interior into a Dodge Charger, most reviewers would thrash it.

        Put it in an Accord and the Praise would come back.

        So much for “pros”.

        You’re spending all that money for the battery and the R&D for the motor and platform.

        • 0 avatar
          shaker

          “You’re spending all that money for the battery and the R&D for the motor and platform.”

          NOW YOU GET IT

          Edit: As long as “rich” people spend money on advancing USA-made, high-tech improvements to automobile transportation (and the eventuality of an affordable EV from Tesla), I’m all for it.

  • avatar
    juicy sushi

    I would like to know how you find the infotainment while driving. I think I would hate any flat panel displays in my car as I don’t want to take my eyes off the road to do stuff. Did you find that the enormous screen was a distraction, or was it useful?

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      Good question!

      A friend’s wife asked me after I bought my first NAVI-equipped Accord how I handled the screen, and was it distracting? Nope, you just had to be careful, and drive like usual, scanning your gauges in front, then out the front and mirrors, just like usual.

      Even on my second Accord with nav (and the “dual-screen” setup that the auto journos loathe), I just don’t pay attention to the nav screen, and simply glance at the lower screen to change radio stations or whatnot.

      Even going back to my previous cars, unlike what everyone says, I still had to glance away from the view outside to adjust my A/C or the radio (though admittedly for just parts-of-a-second shorter than what it takes to do the same in my 2013 Accord).

  • avatar
    redliner

    We all know it’s fast, and we all know it’s electric, so lets talk about something else.

    Since many people have complained that the interior is sub-par, can you address that point in your review?

    Also, I am fascinated by the frunk and the power door handles, so more about that please.

    • 0 avatar
      RV1458

      I agree, I would be very interested in your thoughts on the interior. I have been in one and while I agree that the interior is not as luxurious as a Mercedes, it did not strike me as cheap or sub par in any way, to the contrary I thought it was quite nice. It’s definitely a different take on interior design than most cars though, more similar to Volvo.

      I also agree that the comparison to an Audi A7 is worthwhile. It’s going to depend on preferences of course, but some time ago I concluded that between an Audi A7 with the options I wanted vs a Tesla P85 with the options I wanted, I would choose the Tesla. I would prefer the Tesla, and over 5 years, the cost difference was negligible. Of course, I would be interested in your analysis and comparison as well.

    • 0 avatar

      Thank you Redliner, this is precisely why I’ve asked others for help.

      • 0 avatar
        This Is Dawg

        “We all know it’s fast, and we all know it’s electric, so lets talk about something else.”

        +1

        I’m also curiuos about the door handles, can they be forced out while the car is locked, if say, someone was to wedge a screwdriver in there? (Not a suggestion unless you’re feeling particularly brave.)

        How does the HVAC compare to an ICE? Does it take more or less time to heat the cabin on a harsh winter morning?

        What exactly happens when you drive it past its range limits? Does it just go dark on you and put on the brakes? Does it make tones at you for miles before that point? Does the steering lock up but you keep coasting? Hurt that battery for SCIENCE!

      • 0 avatar
        JMII

        Real world RANGE. How many miles can it go? City traffic. Highway range. With HVAC all the way up hot/cold. What it like to use in the real world. Is acceleration really its trump card? Or is it the quietness? Most luxury cars can do both, but is this really the apex of quite and fast? Are the seat comfortable? Does the A/C cold or heat the car quickly? Does it require a degree in computer science to use the stupid touch screen dash? Too bad no track time, I’d like to know what its like at the limit. Does it oversteer or understeer? How are the brakes after repeated heavy stops? Does the range drop instantly after a quarter mile run or can do a few?

        Like others have said: we know its stupid… sorry INSANE fast.

      • 0 avatar
        WheelMcCoy

        I’d like to read about “normal” things such as:

        1. Steering feel: How communicative is it? How much fun is it in the curves?
        2. Visibility: how are the blind spots? The view out the rear? What’s it like to drive at night? How are the headlamps?
        3. Interior: Are there cubbies to stash your stuff? Places to keep change without jingling? Is there a place to hang your EZ-Pass / toll transponder? Do the rear seats fold and split?
        4. And since this car is “Code Brown” will there be a diesel? <– Kidding! Kidding!!

    • 0 avatar
      SunnyvaleCA

      Owning a mid-engined car as a daily-driver, I can tell you that the “frunk” is quite useful. If I pull into a front parking spot at the supermarket I can load my car’s frunk without having to wheel the cart off the sidewalk, down the wheelchair ramp, and back over the car. When I pull into the garage, I can get things out of the frunk without having to walk around the car. Also, if you lift the frunk and trunk simultaneously in the parking lot to load more things, you do get quite a few startled looks.

      As for a sub-par interior, I think that people buying a $100k+ “sedan” expect something like the interior of a Mercedes S class… sumptuous leather and wood and that sort of thing.

      As far as whiz-bang electronics and computer-like stuff, I think car electronics range from atrocious to bad, with the Tesla sitting firmly at the top end of bad. For comparison, I’m writing this from a 27-inch Retina iMac: 4x the pixels per square inch and 2.5x as many square inches compared to the model S’ main screen. Color gamut appears much wider, too.

  • avatar
    Lie2me

    “Park Anywhere, this is a Code BROWN!!!”

    Yeah, about that picture. Parking like that is a neon sign for douche-baggery. Is this the type of “enthusiast” Tesla hopes to attract?

  • avatar
    bludragon

    1. All that touch screen wizardry… At the end of the week can you operate the basic car controls (HVAC, radio, driving mode?) without taking your eyes off the road, or are you a better, safer driver when you get back into something with more physical controls?

    2. How many near misses can you cause in a week by using the instant, massive and completely silent acceleration to teleport the car from one point on the road to another?

    3. How many kwh/mile did it use, and how much of that did you get for free?

    4. Can you fit a body in the storage space under the hood?

    • 0 avatar
      wolfinator

      I want to echo #1. I’m less interested in hearing how well it integrates with an iDevice, or what gee-whiz milage displays it has.

      How effective have they been in replacing physical controls for basic stuff with a touchscreen.

      I love the idea of a Tesla, but hate the idea of giving up physical buttons. How painful is the experience, especially after the gee-whiz wears off?

  • avatar
    michal1980

    I wish the troll would go away.

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

    I’d like to know what the range is at a steady 78 MPH on a hot day with the A/C on.

  • avatar
    autobahner44

    I test drove a P85D last week in So Cal last week, and the fit and finish were quite impressive. The massive iPoddish screen is both a distraction and a letdown. The insane mode is truly that…insane. The silence during a hard stab of the pedal amplifies the sensation of speed. Quite fun to punch it, but like any car whose trump card is speed, the thrill fades.
    In Los Angeles, Teslas are the rich man’s Prius, and quite commonplace. A Californian with a Model S told me the best thing about it was being able to drive solo in the car pool lane. If your daily commute involves a HOV lane, consider it. Otherwise, not so much. I much prefer my Audi A7.

  • avatar
    Tinn-Can

    Question: Will you take a road trip up to Waco and let me see how long it takes to drain the battery doing full throttle donuts? INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW…

  • avatar
    carnick

    No matter how much the fans of Tesla rant and rave about all the gee-whiz features of the car, at its price, it’s not even remotely a viable consideration for the vast majority of people. Most Americans, and people around the world, cannot afford it. It’s not transportation for the masses, it’s a toy for rich people.

    The harsh reality is, this is a car for rich Californians, either wealthy hypocrites who want to look like they’re being green, or just plain wealthy and want to show off how much money they have.

    I call the pseudo-green buyers hypocrites because neither this, nor any electric car, is a ‘zero emissions’ vehicle – they are remote emissions vehicles. The electricity has to come from somewhere, and in the U.S. today, 66% is produced from fossil fuels, and 19% from nuclear.

    So, unless someone is completely off the grid and generating all of their own electricity to charge the car from rooftop photovoltaic solar cells or a wind turbine, it’s really either a fossil fueled or a nuclear fueled car (and I can’t help but wonder about the ultimate efficiency of burning fossil fuels to generate electricity, transmitting that electricity through wires, and then using it in an electric car, and all the conversion losses at each step, vs. just burning the fossil fuel directly).

    Mostly, I would personally never drive one, even if it were given to me, because of the stereotype of the typical Tesla owner.

    • 0 avatar
      shaker

      “I call the pseudo-green buyers hypocrites because neither this, nor any electric car, is a ‘zero emissions’ vehicle – they are remote emissions vehicles. The electricity has to come from somewhere, and in the U.S. today, 66% is produced from fossil fuels, and 19% from nuclear.”

      And this will NEVER CHANGE

  • avatar
    Stovebolt

    Enough of that blowhard “Big Truck” (who seems to have substituted “Tr” for “F”). I’m outta here.

  • avatar
    alterboy21

    How well does the entire brand experience hold together? Did they get all the details right. I view Tesla’s brand position as innovative, tech, green, luxury.

    Driving the car? Interior of the car? Perceptions of passengers? Perceptions of bystanders? Interacting with dealer/service? Interacting with other Tesla owners, owner forums, and owner groups. I would also think of small things such as the manual, how the car smells/sounds, the (junk) mail from the manufacture mailing lists.

    Execution of the small details across a vast organization (and normally a dealer network) is difficult. The detailed execution of the product and the brand will determine if Tesla is just a fad.

  • avatar
    wmba

    Well, since I haven’t driven a Tesla nor am I ever likely to, I am in a perfect position as a typical TTAC commentator to opine on its driving dynamics and other assorted features.

    First of all – rust. How do we know these things won’t turn into rustbuckets? We don’t yet, but who knows? Firmware updates are always cool, perhaps that will help. It corners flat and has great steering and does a great job of demolishing road debris and concrete walls. Great car!

    Sajeev – for goodness sake give us YOUR impressions. I’m only willing to read some dispassionate views of the actual experience, and not some wild-eyed badly-written BTSR goop, or even justifications from owners disguised as tributes to a century old technology burnished with a bigger version of the Samsung Tab S I’m writing this on as a way of disguising the fundamentally ordinary vehicle underneath.

  • avatar
    Lurker_n

    I’m interested in how well the AWD system works with 2 motors and I assume 2 diffs. i.e. go find something slippery and have fun.

    Oh and I’ll assume (rather than googling it) the 2nd motor upfront reduces the turning radius, could you try parallel parking code brown outside a hospital. (pic please)

    • 0 avatar

      I like that (hospital) idea.

      I can already verify that this thing launches like a beast on a wet road. It’s shocking.

      • 0 avatar
        WEGIV

        related: Handling – we know it goes fast in a straight line, and we know that the original car handled pretty (surprisingly) well for its size due to its low center of gravity. I’m curious how much of a difference the front motors make compared to other AWD performance cars in terms of how much they do (or don’t) improve the grip, stability, turn-in, mid-turn corrections, etc

        • 0 avatar
          Lurker_n

          If you can find a big enough water puddle on the highway, try driving over it with just one side. It’d be interesting to know if the car will pull you towards the puddle. (bonus point if you can repeat the test using your daily driver and compare the feel)

  • avatar
    Oakes

    I test drove a red P85D two weeks ago. It was thrilling. The raw acceleration is simply amazing. But this isn’t what I liked best in this car. No one has yet mentioned the cruise control. You can set how many car lengths you want empty in front of you, set the top speed, then take your foot off the pedal. Both pedals. That’s right, this sucker senses anything in front of you and brakes automatically to keep the set distance you dialed in. Are you reading the map in a neighborhood when some small child darts in front of your car? Guess what, he’s ok. You won’t have nightmares the rest of your life. It’s amazing. It will sense even dogs and cats. Are you merging and glancing the wrong direction when some a-hole stops short right in front of you? No accident, no wasted time, no jacked up insurance rates, no whiplash.
    Now that raw acceleration? It gave me mild whiplash. I’m not even kidding. Holy mokes!!
    There’s no differential. Both motors are mounted directly to their axles. Difference between city and highway ‘EPA’? Negligible due to really good regen of battery when braking.
    Now the regen feature makes it slow hard when you take your foot off the pedal, and that takes some getting used to. you don’t ease off as fast as with a gas car, you kind of slowly ease off otherwise it is uncomfortably hard slowing down.
    For ‘cash purchase’ with the green tax credit (both fed and state in my home state) the maxed out version was 120k approx. whoever said 3500$ extra for sick sick sumptuous hug your body racing Recaro seats isn’t something many will want to spring for? Really? It already costs 120k and you won’t pay 3.5k for awesome seats? That’s nuts man. If you can afford this car you can afford the top line maxed out version.
    SO MUCH ROOM. Don’t like the interior? Ok that’s personal obviously. And personally I think it’s really well designed and comfortable and roomy and techy-cool and with the carbon fiber dash kinda hawt.
    Think that big screen is distracting? Set the cruise control and don’t sweat it. It will warn you if you’re drifting laterally into another lane too. Yeah. THIS CAR IS PROBABLY THE SAFEST CAR ON THE ROAD TODAY.
    I’m waiting for the model X because I have a jacked up back and I like the few extra inches height it will offer. Easier to get into and out of plus a few added inches ground clearance. All that on the very same chassis as the P85D. Sick.
    Also I have two years to go on my current lease so there’s that too. Honda Pilot if you want to know.
    Too all you Tesla haters – grow the f*** up already. Whether you believe in green or not this is a sick car. Try one yourself if you don’t believe me. Super easy to set up test drive and the guy I went with was super knowledgeable and nice. Not pushy or arrogant at all.
    Maintenance costs? Tires and brake pads. That’s all. Tesla plans to saturate America with super charger stations and why hasn’t anyone mentioned that Teslas charge for free at all Tesla stations? For the life of the car. Yup. Free gas for life. 15 min gets you I think 200 miles. Take a piss, have a drink, check your emails. Hey, call your mom. Seriously, call her, she misses you and you wouldn’t be driving this awesome car if it weren’t for her!
    Cheers and happy motoring mi amigos.


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