By on February 5, 2013

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Like any good on-line community, TTAC has its fair share of those little supernatural beings from Norse mythology, called trolls. If I tell you that some people call trolls fairies, this will immediately cause protests of LGBT discrimination, racism, or worse. How do you bring trolls out? Simple, you bait them. For instance with sentences such as the above. We have a better idea: We want you to elect TTAC’s SUPERTROLL.

What is a troll?

Wikipedia says it is “someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.”

The Urban Dictionary says a troll is “someone with nothing worthwhile to add to a certain conversation, but rather continually threadjacks or changes the subject, as well as thinks every member of the forum is talking about them and only them.”

Today and tomorrow, you can nominate TTAC’s most eminent and egregious trolls. Simply enter their TTAC handle in a comment, with a short explanation, if you insist.

Of course, TTAC’s master trolls will immediately try to deflect the poll by nominating TTAC editors or authors. Those are off limits, and by nominating a TTAC editor or author, you would immediately nominate yourself as a TTAC Top Troll candidate.

We will let the nomination run for a day or two, then we will vote.

  • What does a TTAC Top Troll get? Freedom. As it is the common practice in this kind of a contests, you can vote the Top Troll off the island.
  • You may nominate a maximum of three candidates. Nominate more, and you go on the list.
  • Be the first to nominate the Top Troll and you get a TTAC Get Out Of Jail Card – unbannable for a year
  • There is another sealed and secret rule. I shall reveal it when it is too late.

And now: Start the nominations.

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289 Comments on “Announcing TTAC’s Top Troll Poll...”


  • avatar
    Chocolatedeath

    Dead Weight anyone?? Wait u said Trolls not Haters..never mind.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      Why, of course, because:

      1) I engage in ad hominem attacks on fellow TTAC members and staff,

      2) I mainly post short, devoid of substance, one liner/sentence offerings,

      3) My comments are meant primarily, if not exclusively, to incite and foment angry responses.

      I’m the obvious choice!

      I’m a “hater” because:

      1) I criticize Lincoln vehicles for being re-badged Fords, but priced much higher, and I criticize the Lincoln Stagecoach & Horseless Carriage Motor Company’s advertising strategy (I know that this pisses A LOT of people off, but that’s the way I roll, since I actually believe what I express in writing),

      2) I criticize Toyota’s soul-less offerings (e.g. Camrys & Corollas),

      3) I criticize Jaguar & Land Rover for the inability to get up to 20th, let alone 21st, century levels of reliability,

      4) I criticize Ford ecoboost engines (and beat Consumer Reports to the punch, as they just did, in a big way, in their latest edition, for the very same reasons I have – damn haters at CR) – for many of the same reasons I criticize MOST turbocharged motors utilized by any other manufacturer in anything other than genuine high performance vehicles (i.e. non-daily drivers),

      5) I criticize most of the new breed of BMWs that are fat (not phat) and have 4 banger standard motors whence before they had the inline 6s,

      6) I criticize Cadillac for similar reasons as 5 above, plus for taking the luxury and plushness out of many of their offerings, when luxurious ride quality and plushness is Cadillac’s core purpose for being,

      7) I believe the Panamera (and Porsche’s SUVs/CUVs) to be antithetical to Porsche’s core purpose for being,

      8) I criticize AT LEAST one other offering/model of just about every other manufacturer, AND AT LEAST some aspects of each manufacturer’s management competence, and with piss & vinegar often times,

      9) I believe it’s illogical, wasteful & a disservice to the consumer to engineer and then build cars that are unnecessarily difficult and/or expensive to service (see Jack Baruth’s “the watery Big Bang, the 32-step power steering fluid check, disposable faux-ury” op/ed, which is legendary, IMO – ooops, there’s me expressing strong opinions again – sorry!).

      HOW DARE I HAVE SUCH STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT CARS OR DARE TO EXPRESS THEM ON “THE TRUTH ABOUT CARS”!!!

    • 0 avatar
      SqueakyVue

      A hater loves to hate. Dead Weight loves the truth.

      • 0 avatar
        Silvy_nonsense

        Dead Weight also loves to reply to the first post – not because his comment is in any way related to or responds to the first post, but because it puts his opinion up top. That’s the ultimate in immature jack a55ery.

        That kind of cutesy manipulation may not make Dead Weight a troll, but I still think it qualifies him for a chance at an all expenses paid vacation, courtesy of the editors and readers of TTAC.

      • 0 avatar
        DeadWeight

        I genuinely say it (or write it) like I see it, and have no interest or intent to provoke any particular person, nor engage in ad hominem attacks (and I can’t recall ever doing so).

        It appears that many of the “trolls” being nominated are some of of the most opinionated members of TTAC, who merely express their opinions with passion, and that at least some (if not most) of their nominations are the result of the more sensitive types taking personal offense at some comment(s) that they must have been compelled to read, or as a result of some sort of irrational allegiance to a particular manufacturer that they felt someone slighted.

        In other words, there’s at least a little bit of juvenile fanboyism alive and well on TTAC.

        Maybe there will be a poll tomorrow about who believes they have the largest penis.

    • 0 avatar

      1St place wins a new Cadillac Eldorado
      2nd place wins a set of steak knives…

      3RD PRIZE IS YOU’RE BANNED.

  • avatar
    Astigmatism

    Meh. Maybe I’ve spent too much time on other boards, but TTAC is pretty well policed, by Internet standards at least. Even when things turn political, which is often, at least people generally post arguments rather than insults, and the ones who don’t have been kicked out already.

    Note that I reserve the right to revisit this if I ever choose to read comments under the Farago truth-about-guns post, which I’ve avoided like the plague so far.

    • 0 avatar
      Autobraz

      I agree. I’ve had a Youtube comment section filled day yesterday and coming back here makes TTAC feel as the cleanest, freest-of-trolls board ever.

    • 0 avatar
      Pig_Iron

      You know your getting old when tell your kids you are a vetran of the great usenet flame war of ’99, and they say: “What’s a usenet?”.
      :-/

      PS I only went to alt.binaries for pictures of old buses – honest.

    • 0 avatar
      Astigmatism

      Scanning the posts after a few hours leads me to reiterate my position. Calling pch101 or BigTruck a “troll” would be stretching the definition to the point where it has no meaning. As BTS himself says down below, “I don’t really try to ‘troll’ per say… I just make comments some people don’t agree with.” And pch is hardly an instigator: he chimes in to correct what he sees as misstatements or wrong arguments. Banning either of them would be the height of overzealous moderating and ultimately hurt the site.

    • 0 avatar
      icemilkcoffee

      Agreed. There are lots of knowledgeable guys here. Even the trolls at least take the time to stake out their positions. I can’t think of any real obvious trolls really.

  • avatar
    DC Bruce

    Well, this is amusing, but, IMHO, following the definitions cited above, trolls are very scare at TTAC. There may be some who are obnoxious, others who are boringly predictable; but most of the “off-topic” discussion that I see around here follows an off-topic post by the editors. (By off-topic, I mean “not about cars”; e.g. the recent post about Mr. Farago’s newfound fascination with firearms.)

    So, nominate yourselves, guys! ;-)

  • avatar
    DubTee1480

    I smell a flame war brewing as nominees come out of the woodwork to defend themselves. Should be fun. Speaking of flames, I nominate Volts On Fire.

    • 0 avatar
      Carlson Fan

      You mean the guy that gives some girl he doesn’t know a hard time about her Chevy Cruze in a parking lot and is soo proud of himself that he comes on this website and brags about it. Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

    • 0 avatar
      redav

      Wait–if this whole article is to provoke a flame war consisting of emotional & extraneous posts, then that means…

  • avatar
    Crabspirits

    Chevy Volts are the best.

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    I’m not sure the end-goal of this exercise is a positive one, its not as if people are at each others throats. When/if people get seriously out of line, an editor/admin weighs in and things proceed according to how that turns out. Basically you’re inciting people to call each other out as ‘trolls’… maybe its cathartic… I just think it would be better for all if a ‘contest’ had a more positive aim.

  • avatar
    Charles T

    “Top Troll”? I’ve never heard a “Best Saabs” list called that before. Bertel, you shouldn’t have!

  • avatar
    jz78817

    I don’t know that I’ve encountered many actual trolls here. The people who tend to piss others off appear to actually believe what they’re typing.

    far better than the morons who infest Autoblog comments…

  • avatar
    stuntmonkey

    Well, this is a pleasant start so far. Can you imagine what this thread would be like if it had initiated on the other auto-blog’s?

  • avatar
    NotFast

    Nuke the gay whales for Jesus!

    (do I win?)

  • avatar
    Secret Hi5

    Clever trolls are good for the site. They shouldn’t be perma-banned.

  • avatar
    SlowMyke

    What is the point of this? I thought this was a car site. Who gives a crap if someone is a troll? They generally get ignored or dealt with pretty well around here.

  • avatar
    burgersandbeer

    I can’t think of anyone so annoying that I can’t simply ignore their post when I see their handle.

    You guys (the editors) should skim a few threads at Edmunds for comparison and then re-evaluate if this kind of thing is really necessary here.

  • avatar
    Ryoku75

    There are a few people that I don’t exactly care for, but even then they still have useful information to present here and there and its really more so their cocky attitudes that I don’t care for, so I could never justify calling them a “troll”.

  • avatar
    tresmonos

    Sajeev Mehta. Reason: loving real Lincoln’s.

  • avatar
    MrWhopee

    Heh, maybe this is just Bertel’s way to get all the trolls to out themselves, then they can be permanently banned…

    • 0 avatar
      Autobraz

      Hey! Just like Adam Carolla’s idea for rounding up all the deadbeat dads: offer free Raiders tickets then arrest anyone who shows up. Clever!

    • 0 avatar
      wsn

      Chairman Mao did that too. Everyone was forced to write constructive suggestions to the government. Those who wrote anything other than (or more than) shameless praises were thrown into labor camps.

  • avatar
    highrpm

    No nomination here. I like the variety of responses in every article, especially the heated ones. I haven’t seen a debate turn into a flame war here in a long time.

    As long as we keep it civil, I completely agree with the old saying “I may not agree with your opinion but I will fight to the death for your freedom to say it.”

  • avatar
    jaje

    I’ve not seen too many very heated debates. This site us seems to have very high quality members versus your normal one make car forum (where you get people who have friends and they rove around in groups and insult those they don’t agree with – and are often ignorant of what they are arguing about).

  • avatar
    Frillo

    Buckman, APaGttH, 86SN2001

  • avatar
    carguy

    The troll population at TTAC is extremely low so I would call off the hunt.

    Also, a troll purge can be a dangerous thing in that a troll poll is a bit like Salem voting on who is a witch. One persons passion is another man trolling. Please make TTAC a welcoming place for newcomers and less like an overbearing homeowners association.

  • avatar
    stryker1

    I’m going to nominate myself so I can say this:
    What is happening to this site? It feels like the signal to noise ratio has dropped precipitously in the recent past. There’s been a definite uptick in the content-light, politics-heavy variety of posts, and now we’re trying to turn the peanut gallery into a circular firing squad?

    Except for the occasional informative post by Lang, or amusing post by Baruth, I’m feeling less and less compelled to return to this site as time goes on.

    • 0 avatar
      geeber

      Part of the problem is that this site really came on to its own when Robert Farago started his “Deathwatch” series for GM, Ford and Chrysler.

      At that time, the idea that GM would be forced to file for bankruptcy seemed far-fetched, but, as the years wore on, Farago looked increasingly prescient.

      Then GM and Chrysler did collapse and receive a government bailout, followed by a government-supervised bankruptcy.

      Now, instead of arguing over what might happen, a fair number of articles spend time arguing over what did happen, and that point has been beaten to death. The site needs to move on, but doesn’t seem to know where to go next. Posting articles about Farago’s new site ultimately aren’t the answer.

  • avatar
    Sinistermisterman

    “someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.”
    Well if that’s the case, I nominate Bertel for posting the Farago TTAG story yesterday. Never have I seen quite such a sh*t-storm in the comments section. Bravo.

  • avatar
    nrcote

    Yep, Farago yesterday, and this top troll thing today.

    Eh, Kreindler, come back to work!

  • avatar
    jjster6

    I nominate myself. I have found a loophole in your rules. If I win I get banned, but since I nominated myself first I am unbannable (is that a word) for a year.

    For all of the insults I have hurled at Canadians I really think I deserve to win. But then agian who cares about insulting Canadians? What are they going to do about it? Probably apologize and slap and new tax on themselves.

  • avatar
    Zackman

    Looking back on my 2+1/2 years here, I used to really enjoy “Vanilla Dude’s” posts, but he was banned for some reason. Maybe invite him back?

    I get a kick out of “Volts on Fire” because you always know what he is going to say. So I guess it’s VoF.

    I agree with “jaje” and “carguy” as this is a very high-quality site, and that’s why I stick around – that, and smiling at “PrincipalDan’s” avatar every time I see it!

  • avatar
    philadlj

    At the moment, no troll shines brighter here than Volts On Fire, and I say that with the utmost respect. He can really bring it.

  • avatar
    scrubnick

    I feel I must second the bigtruckseriesreview person. First, the name is a freakin’ ad! And second, every post refers in some manner to how superior his “supercharged SRT8″ or the Tesla Model S is to everything else.

  • avatar
    Maxseven

    I agree with all of your numbered list (with the exception of No. 7). You’re no Troll though – you simply speak the truth. Cheers.

  • avatar
    highrpm

    Bertel,

    What if the majority of votes are to not throw anyone out at all?

    Is that a valid thing? This seems to be the way that this poll is going.

  • avatar
    Mullholland

    Been visiting and commenting here since 2005. I was going to post this comment in the thread on the Farago article but it seems to fit even better here: This site has been going through the motions since RF was given his walking papers.
    “Troll Poll”? Really?
    Perhaps a new low…but there’s always tomorrow! Just more proof that someone needs to get a grip on the editorial direction of this site.

  • avatar
    FordMan_48126

    DeadWeight and VoltsOnFire- ’nuff said.

  • avatar
    k9H20

    Asking us to nominate trolls is trashy. This aint Jalopnik. I would expect you to pick a more creative discussion to generate participation.

  • avatar
    ...m...

    …i find conspicuously-aired meta-issues to be distasteful, and clearly i’m not the only one; disciplinary actions should be considered, decisive, and executed discreetly…

    …bertel, please take this constructive criticism as it’s intended: your tendency towards public spectacle in issues of community moderation is unbecoming to the site and undermines the considerable journalistic integritiy you’ve otherwise cultivated…

  • avatar
    danio3834

    Ahh a good old fashioned commenter cage match.

    I don’t agree with banning people for their comments, it goes against my feelings on the freeist of free speech. But hey, it’s your website.

    BUT, if we’re nominating obvious trolls, well there’s some standouts:

    Volts on Fire
    86SN2001
    Pch101
    Bigtruckseries

    I have no ill feelings toward these commenters as I do enjoy some quality trolling from time to time. So instead of banning them, I suggest they step up their game and get some truly epic threads going.

    • 0 avatar

      Danio

      Thank you for your vote.

      Compaq

      Thank you for your vote.

      You guys are so lucky this site has a moderator…

    • 0 avatar
      Luke42

      pch101 is not a troll. He’s prolific, and he’s not shy. But his comments are usually thoughtful, well reasoned, add something to the discussion.

      Same thing for bigtrucksreview. I disagree with practically everything the guys says, and I share very few opinions or values (automotive and otherwise) with the guy, but he does post well-informed comments. Also, he seems to learn from the give-and-take, and that’s something that I respect.

      My nominations:
      1) 86SN2001
      2) BillFromBuckhead
      3) VoltsOnFire
      For a combination of rabid politics and lack of perspective. Bill needs to get out of Buckhead (the big-money neighborhood in Atlanta) and see what the real world looks like.

      • 0 avatar
        golden2husky

        …..pch101 is not a troll. He’s prolific, and he’s not shy. But his comments are usually thoughtful, well reasoned, add something to the discussion…..

        I agree fully with this statement. I believe that the burning high tech car guy is the top troll, but am not going to vote for him. Why? I really don’t want him banned. I’d be hard pressed to agree with much of anything he says, but he adds something, even if it is only entertainment. And as long as he does not sling personal insults why can’t he stay? I feel like I am defending the class miscreant, but hey, anybody can still pick up something of value from the discussion…

  • avatar
    Compaq Deskpro

    Volts on Fire

    Bigtruckseriesreview @ youtube

    Pch101

    These three are trollicious, but I enjoy reading whatever they write whether or not I agree with it. I hope the secret rule is that the biggest troll gets to become a writer.

    • 0 avatar
      carguy

      “I hope the secret rule is that the biggest troll gets to become a writer.”

      You have just given away the secret sauce that makes web media profitable.

      • 0 avatar
        Luke42

        I’d love to see pch101 as a writer. His analyses tend to be pretty solid.

        I wouldn’t mind seeing some of bigtrucksreview write some reviews of big trucks for this blog. I have no interest in overpowered badass pickup trucks, so this probably the only way I’ll keep up with the lift-kit and figure out what it is that compels them to take a perfectly respectable piece of commercial equipment and route the exhaust through the cargo compartment, while making the partially useless load-floor higher than my head…. :-)

        I’ll vote for Volts on Fire, though. He’s a hater.

    • 0 avatar
      redav

      “I hope the secret rule is that the biggest troll gets to become a writer.”

      Thus tying together the recent search for new writers and the recent flame wars. A very astute deduction.

      • 0 avatar
        Compaq Deskpro

        I’m sure of it now. Bertel is reading his inbox filled with stories of guys pining over Panthers and Miatas and manual 320d wagons, and is not excited by this. “Anyone can write this drivel”, he says outloud to himself. What he really wants is that writers who believes so strongly in what he writes that he is willing to stay behind after the fact and fight for it. Not just someone who love cars, everyone loves cars, but he who loves the rush other people get when they learn something from him, who relishes the satisfaction of coloring everyone he speaks to with his own version of the truth, he who gathers information by plucking it from them rather than asking. The troll.

        “How do I find this elusive troll?”, Bertel says as if he is playing World of Warcraft. “I must lure the beast out!”

        Bertel posts an article on his site about one of the most debated issues: guns. Only barely related to his car site, the article features a paranoid man do stupid things with guns. “This ordeal will tear the community in half, and the only ones who come out alive will be the trolls” says Bertel.

        But Bertel is not finished yet. The next thing he posts on his respected automotive blog with one of the most intelligent, well informed, reasonable user bases is “WHO’S THE BIGGEST TROLL LOLOLOL!”. Bertel is accused of belittling the user base, of being the troll himself, of being mean-spirited, even of jumping the shark. But he ignores these comments, for he understands now the secret to creativity: being the troll that The Truth About Cars needs him to be.

        To those who have been named a troll by their peers, now is your reckoning, now is your time to shine. Prove to us you are who Bertel is looking for.

  • avatar
    juicy sushi

    I really need to agree with most of the others. There aren’t really many “trolls” on TTAC. People I don’t agree with? Yes. People whose posts I find less than stimulating? Yes. But I’m a big boy and I know that people disagree with and find me boring too.

    I know that there isn’t a whole lot of news at the moment, but that is when good writers come into their own. TTAC is at its best when it is revelling in appreciation of automotive aspects which are a bit left-field, or when discussing how the business is evolving in this changing world, and what that will mean for the industry, and enthusiasts. Sticking with fact/evidence-based assessment of government policy or industry policy/decisions is fine, even if the opinion is unpopular. It is a good thing, as the virtue of this site is when it discusses uncomfortable truths.

    I find that it doesn’t do an idea job of that, but nothing would. I also couldn’t do better myself. So I don’t complain about free entertainment.

    However, this unsubtle prodding of the readership is a bit mean-spirited and doesn’t contribute to the site, its brand, or the quality of the posts themselves. Please take the rebuke from your readership in this thread to heart, and abandon this contest as a waste of your and everyone’s time.

    We have more fun things to talk about. Like cars…

    • 0 avatar
      juicy sushi

      Since I can’t edit apparently:

      I really need to agree with most of the others. There aren’t really many “trolls” on TTAC. People I don’t agree with? Yes. People whose posts I find less than stimulating? Yes. But I’m a big boy and I know that people disagree with and find me boring too.

      I know that there isn’t a whole lot of news at the moment, but that is when good writers come into their own. TTAC is at its best when it is revelling in appreciation of automotive aspects which are a bit left-field, or when discussing how the business is evolving in this changing world, and what that will mean for the industry, and enthusiasts. Sticking with fact/evidence-based assessment of government policy or industry policy/decisions is fine, even if the opinion is unpopular. It is a good thing, as the virtue of this site is when it discusses uncomfortable truths. Inflamatory posting for page hits is not, as it goes to long-term credibility.

      I find that you doesn’t do an ideal job of balancing that, but no one can. I also couldn’t do better myself. So I won’t complain about free entertainment.

      However, this unsubtle prodding of the readership is a bit mean-spirited and doesn’t contribute to the site, its brand, or the quality of the posts themselves. Please take the rebuke from your readership in this thread to heart, and abandon this contest as a waste of your and everyone’s time.

      We have more fun things to talk about. Like cars…

  • avatar
    michal1980

    I dont get the point of this.

    Jump the shark moment? Running out of ideas but need to get something out?

    Flamebait topic, that currently is backfiring.

    Is this even Jalopnik level? Or even below them?

  • avatar

    I don’t really try to “troll” per say… I just make comments some people don’t agree with.

  • avatar
    Dynasty

    I’m not nominating anybody.

    However, I will agree with the majority of the ones who have been nominated, and not the so called ‘self nominations’. And I’ll also add I generally really enjoy what they write.

    All an all, I don’t think any of them should be banned.

  • avatar
    geeber

    Based on the defintions in the article, I don’t see where some of these nominees are trolls, unless “troll” really means, “regularly posts on a lot of threads” or “writes posts that I don’t happen to like.”

    I’m not seeing where Pch101 or APaGttH are trolls. I may not always agree with their posts, but their posts aren’t off-topic, extraneous or inaccurate.

    I’d suggest the editors spend more time figuring out the new direction for the site than which posters should be called out as “trolls.”

    For starters, the bailouts of GM and Chrysler are a done deal, so let’s stop beating that dead horse and move on. At this point, we’re beyond beating the dead horse – we’re beating it in the afterlife.

    Also, cars and firearms are two entirely separate products that are used for entirely different purposes and regulated in two entirely different ways. The next time the urge comes to post an aticle that even remotely deals with firearms, dig up another set of Murilee Martin photos of cars in the Denver junkyard and post those instead.

    • 0 avatar
      danio3834

      Quality trolls aren’t just sh1t disturbers for the sake of it. A top notch troll uses many different techniques to instigate and provoke reactions often well beyond the point of being relevant.

      I agree that no one should be banned for this however. This thread feels like it exists because Bertel has been trolled a few too many times.

    • 0 avatar
      redav

      There are people who post comments for the specific purpose of getting on other people’s nerves. There are multiple people who do that on these pages. I personally consider it to be trolling, but it doesn’t fit neatly into the definitions at the top.

  • avatar
    Chocolatedeath

    By the way Bertel, are any of TTAC’s contributing staff going to be in Amelia Island this month. Would love to sit down and have a beer with you. I live 20 minutes down the street for the last four years and never been. This will be my first time.

  • avatar
    Conslaw

    Slow newsday ttac?

    I googled some of Bigtruckseries’ posts,and they appeared to be on-topic and properly rhetorical. Not a troll IMHO.

  • avatar
    sfdennis1

    Regular visitor, infrequent commentor here. Really enjoy the site for Junkyard finds, Lang’s dealer/auction tales, Vellum Venom design posts, even Baruth’s hit-or-miss genius/jeuvenility.

    In the past, I’ve strongly rebuked what I’ve considered homophobic commentary (thankfully rare) and disagreed strongly with other political viewpoints, but haven’t felt the need to have anyone else banned…free speech IS free speech. (excepted of course, for direct threats of violence, which I’ve never seen on the site.)

    If a poster is consistently offensive or insulting…or posts a daily expletive filled rant, deal with them on an individual basis. This circus sideshow of voting people off the island betrays a mob mentality that makes the site unattractive and unwelcoming.

    Are we here to talk about cars, or is this site an excercise in “Lord of the Flies meets Mean Girls” sadism?

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    I don’t think pch101 is a troll. His/her posts are on-topic, well written, and usually quite informative. He/she can be stubborn (can’t we all) and at times but a troll?

    Pffffffftttt…

    Personally this is kind of an icky topic for me in that, well, there aren’t a lot of trolls here (unlike say Left Lane News which has a useless comment section between Borat, BlackDynamite, JohnnyCanuck, and a couple of others who appears to have NO life) and the ones that are here are tiny trolls.

    Volts On Fire is the only one that comes right to mind.

    • 0 avatar
      Astigmatism

      Seconded.

    • 0 avatar
      fatalexception04

      blackdynamite is on leflane news? He’s on motortrend too, and thats a true troll. Has no life what so ever. Him and goober over there thread jack everything.

      I hope this site isn’t turning into crud. Already lost insideline last month and the other mainstream sites kinda stink for the most part.

    • 0 avatar
      cackalacka

      This, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if I were the owners of this site I’d reach out to PCH for a writing gig.

      He may seem contrarian and stubborn, but the threads he corrects get served. More than a couple TTAC writers, with a disturbing frequency, respond with a ‘Nuh-uh.’ On closer inspection, he’s does a yeoman’s job laying out facts that are counter the perceived narrative, yet true nonetheless.

      Put it this way: when I read a mouth-breathing polemic on this site, I do it only because I know that 4-5 comments down there is a well written, factually based, and (unlike the sophomoric article it counters) interesting comment.

      I come to this site to read passionate, interesting, and sometimes heated discussions about cars. If we’ve got to suffer through second-rate political/economic polemics, at least there is a person in the community talented enough to correct the BS with flourish.

      • 0 avatar
        Astigmatism

        Couldn’t agree more, cackalacka.

      • 0 avatar
        Loser

        Another 100% agree. Not sure what he does for a living but he seems very intelligent and well spoken.

      • 0 avatar
        corntrollio

        Agree on pch101. It’s refreshing to see someone back up an argument with facts and logic, unlike several others here, especially almost anyone making a political argument.

        The political arguers are the worst, regardless of which part of the spectrum. As a collective, the political arguers are big into labeling other people rather than actually expressing smart ideas with a cogent well-thought-out argument. The reality is that they don’t have good arguments or ideas, they fail to think critically, and they are just making worthless knee-jerk jabs which fall apart upon even minimal examination.

      • 0 avatar

        No confirmation bias at play here. No, none at all.

      • 0 avatar
        DeadWeight

        Pch101 is actually the opposite of a troll (as are a few others that have been nominated).

        Pch actually writes substantive, well-reasoned responses, and then reinforces his sincerity to what he stated by actually sticking around to monitor and debate (in good faith) anyone who wishes to attempt to point out flaws in his opinions/statements.

        He may rub some the wrong way (he can be glib and dismissive at times, IMO, but that’s irrelevant), but it’s very inaccurate to portray him as a troll.

        Trolls aren’t people we happen not to agree with (whether we are correct or whether they are in what’s being expressed); they have it as their main goal to foment anger in people, and more often than not are hit and run types, putting very little thought or effort into what they write, and rarely debating the obvious insincerity of their original post.

      • 0 avatar
        APaGttH

        +1

      • 0 avatar
        psarhjinian

        Agreed (on Pch)

        Again, if anyone is trolling, it’s Bertel with posts like this one.

        I really do get the impression that TTAC itself is trolling it’s commentariat more often as of late. It’s why I don’t read or participate much; it’s a feeling I’m being baited. Derek does so painfully obviously (and Pch and others have called him on it) but Bertel is as guilty, if note eloquent. Mr. Baruth does the same, albeit artistically.

        So I suppose I’ll nominate the site and its masthead (well, excepting Murilee and Sajeev) collectively.

      • 0 avatar
        danio3834

        This may precisely be why Pch is the best troll of them all. While there is no doubt he can create a compelling argument, he also never hesitates to deal a insults, present a red herring, or attack a straw man to provoke a debate. These are all characteristics of a top notch troll.

        That being said, Pch is a net gain to the site if only to regale us with the nuances of US history.

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        I find this exchange to be hilarious.

        Admittedly, I don’t suffer fools gladly, particularly the politically inclined, factually deficient neurotic ones. But mocking such people does not constitute trolling.

        But regardless, the entire thread is a troll. The whole thing is designed to provoke the audience and to encourage the posters here to turn on each other. Furthermore, it’s completely off topic to the subject matter of the website. The joke is on any of you who take it seriously.

      • 0 avatar
        ajla

        PCH is a good commenter but it seems he really only writes when the article deals with things like the law or politics.

        Pure 100% automotive comments are quite rare from him.

      • 0 avatar
        danio3834

        See that he did there? Not bad, eh?

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        Danio, you must not be familiar with Andy Kaufman and his wrestling matches. (Hint: The audience thought it was about Kaufman, but it was really about their absurd reactions to what they thought he was doing.)

        The joke is on you, and I’m not the one who is playing it on you.

      • 0 avatar
        danio3834

        “Danio, you must not be familiar with Andy Kaufman and his wrestling matches. (Hint: The audience thought it was about Kaufman, but it was really about their absurd reactions to what they thought he was doing.)”

        Perhaps you missed my comment about this being thread being a “commenter cage match”. Indeed the joke is on all of us participating in this thread, nearing 300 comments. I don’t mind humoring Mr. Schmitt a bit.

    • 0 avatar
      icemilkcoffee

      Agreed. PCH101 is no troll. Of course I generally agree with him so it’s easy for me to say so!

  • avatar
    manbridge

    Why should I take the time to nominate some troll when a better use of my time is adding more layers of tin foil to my awesome headpiece? I hardly agree with the entire troll concept anyway.

    What happened to the cars?

  • avatar
    mikey

    3or 4 years ago I would have made the top five. It sure sucks getting old.

    Anyway…. The” C.R. reading Toyota and Honda rule”…. dude that lives on the west coast,or is it the east? Jimmyy or Jimmyv aka some other name.

    PCH 101? The guy is so smart,he can’t be called a troll.

    Oh, and bring back Vanilla Dude

    VoF?….keep him, he is certainly entertaning.

  • avatar
    manbridge

    In light of this topic, is it fair to say that we can assume the TTAC Deathwatch has now begun?

  • avatar
    Conslaw

    It seems like most of the accused trolls are at most guilty of making parenthetical jabs at politicians/parties/unions/auto company management. I think this really doesn’t count. It’s the difference between grabbing a player’s face mask during a play and giving a player a little jab in the bottom of a pile after a tackle. The former is a penalty. The latter is a calling card.

    • 0 avatar
      corntrollio

      “It seems like most of the accused trolls are at most guilty of making parenthetical jabs at politicians/parties/unions/auto company management. I think this really doesn’t count.”

      If it were truly parenthetical, you’d be right. But it’s not parenthetical, and this is the only function several of the trolls have, so they add absolutely no value.

  • avatar
    Xeranar

    I feel so left out. I was actually preparing for several votes on my behalf as I have been directly called a troll in the past. Most of the flames stem from the political left-right rather than personal spats. Big trucks does self promote a great deal but that’s annoying in a wholly alright way simply because you know what you get and he isn’t being offensive.

  • avatar
    mazder3

    Trolls? TTAC hain’t got no trolls. You’re biased against trolls and better for it.

  • avatar
    Robert.Walter

    I un nominate PCH101; as pointed out elsewhere, this is one smart poster which backs up positions with analytical thinking and facts.

    By the way if un nominating triggers the double-secret ban-hammer, I will come back under the banner of either:

    - moshi moshi sushi mushi

    Or

    - Fiero was a Phoenix Firebird.

    Just kidding … Vanilla Dude did get quite breathless sometimes and there were a couple if names now forgotten and so it goes.

    • 0 avatar

      Robert, some of the stupidest and most evil ideas in history have been the products of smart people. Mengele had a M.D. degree, so does Zawahiri.

      When it comes packaged with bad faith personal attacks, it’s hard to give analytical thinking much credence.

      • 0 avatar
        Astigmatism

        … says the guy invoking Josef Mengele and Ayman al-Zawahiri in discussing a commenter.

      • 0 avatar
        corntrollio

        Yes, it’s cute and hip to be so anti-intellectual, but even more of the stupidest and most evil ideas have been the products of dumb people, and to boot, they were too stupid to know they were dumb. On average, I’ll take the smart ones with good analytical thinking over the morons.

        Similarly, I love good arguments from smart people I disagree with because it forces me to challenge my assumptions. Poor arguments from dumb people are a dime a dozen dozen (it’s time we update this expression due to mass production to 10 cents per 144) and completely worthless.

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        As that great philosopher Al Yankovic once said, “Dare to be stupid!”

      • 0 avatar
        Kevin Jaeger

        The utter inability to ever make a point without including a condescending bad faith personal attack is the very definition of a troll.

        And the sheer volume of insults directed at TTAC writers puts him in a class by himself.

        But I don’t think TTAC has so much of a problem with trolls. To me the worst part of the comment section of TTAC are the people complaining about TTAC. Why are they here if all they have to contribute are complaints about the content?

      • 0 avatar
        APaGttH

        Oh ooo, do we declare Godwin’s law now – or did we skate dangerously close?

        We have our first Nazi reference.

      • 0 avatar
        Robert Gordon

        “Robert, some of the stupidest and most evil ideas in history have been the products of smart people. Mengele had a M.D. degree, so does Zawahiri.”

        I wasn’t aware that those two ever came up with any particularly far reaching ideas – good or evil. Mengele was a wicked man who indulged himself in crackpot and vicious quackery – but he certainly wasn’t the architect of Nazism. al-Zawahiri lives in a cave somewhere where he pretty much influences nothing.

        Your point is also undermined somewhat by the fact that three of the most murderous ideologs in history Hitler, Stalin and Mao were hardly the brightest buttons on the overcoat.

        A better choice might have been to proffer Marx and Engels as examples – although I would be interested in how one describes their ideas as evils.

      • 0 avatar
        psarhjinian

        Ronnie,

        Can you say that with a straight face? Really? Can you really be so tone-deaf as to advocate anti-intellectualism on one hand and then quote economics professors when it suits your argument?

        If not, can I nominate you?

      • 0 avatar
        Robert Gordon

        “Oh ooo, do we declare Godwin’s law now – or did we skate dangerously close?

        We have our first Nazi reference.”

        Godwin’s law states:

        “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.”

        However it is a load of rubbish since the the likelihood of discussing any topic you care to mention also increases with the length of discussion. It’s not a law at all merely an observation of statistical frequency.

        For instance – Jesus, Guns and Beer were all mentioned on this thread before Hitler.

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        “However it is a load of rubbish since the the likelihood of discussing any topic you care to mention also increases with the length of discussion”

        Unless the subject matter concerns the German automotive industry during the 1930s, there is virtually no good reason to discuss Hitler on a car website.

      • 0 avatar
        Robert Gordon

        “Unless the subject matter concerns the German automotive industry during the 1930s, there is virtually no good reason to discuss Hitler on a car website.”

        One could say there is no good reason to discuss many of the topics that have been raised by the editorial staff recently on a car website.

        However, it should be noted that Hitler’s influence either directly or indirectly on the worldwide car industry was far broader than you imply. Therefore I believe you could justifiably mention him in many more contexts than just the 1930′s German Automotive industry.

        For example if one were to discuss the history of Autobahns, Eastern Bloc vehicle manufacturers, war reparation, certain aspect of vehicle technology, the Mercedes Benz Racing team.

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        You apparently missed the point of the comment.

        In these sorts of discussions, people play the Hitler card when they don’t have anything intelligent to say. Comparing a poster here to the likes of Mengele was just lazy and not particularly helpful, except for illustrating that the person making the comparisons to Mengele doesn’t have much to offer.

      • 0 avatar
        Robert Gordon

        “…the person making the comparisons to Mengele doesn’t have much to offer.”

        Nothing further to add.

      • 0 avatar
        Astigmatism

        You know who liked to quote Godwin’s law?

        Hitler, that’s who.

    • 0 avatar
      mcc.pj

      Oh dear. Do we really have TTAC’s own writers in here bemoaning the lack of banhammer for people whose politics they dislike? After baiting them to discuss their politics with inflammatory, quasi-automotive posts?

      This reeks of a site going through an identity crisis, and more than a little insecurity. I hope TTAC takes the feedback in this thread to heart.

      • 0 avatar
        Robert Gordon

        Doubtful as long as the clicks keep coming…

      • 0 avatar
        mcc.pj

        It provokes clicks in the short term, but as others have mentioned, it’s not a sustainable business strategy.

        TTAC built its reputation on snark–but about c-a-r-s. With the GM bankruptcy now a historical footnote, the site has turned to navel-gazing snark about marketers, demographics, political flamebait (with irritating frequency), and now meta-snark about its own commentariat.

        I’m also bothered by the increasing demagoguery and thin-skinned defensiveness of those political posters–if you must dish it out, then please find the intestinal fortitude to take it when people disagree with you instead of sniping at them in ‘troll polls’, sheesh.

        The Junkyard Finds and car reviews are still worth the occasional visit, but I used to get a lot more out of this site. I’ve been a visitor for years and would love to see some leadership willing to put the C back into TTAC.

  • avatar

    Laser… Oh wait, that’s Autoblog…

    Volts on Fire – Even his avatar is trollish…

  • avatar
    DenverMike

    A 30 day ban would be suffice, so no one really loses. You can start with me if you want, but it would pay off for me in the long run, as I enjoy diverse opinions, even trolls.

  • avatar
    marjanmm

    I’ve learned so much from Pch101. If I don’t have time to read all the comments on an otherwise interesting but suspect article I simply ctrl+f “Pch” and enjoy.

    Shame Psar doesn’t comment much lately.

  • avatar
    The Coop

    As someone who has visited this site almost daily since before RF left, I first have to thank TTAC for growing my knowledge of cars and the auto industry. This is by far the best car blog I have found. However, it has seemed to have gone downhill at an accelerated pace over the past few months. I find one or two posts a week interesting whereas before it was one or two a day. Maybe it is me and I just miss the style of writers past.

    I’ll admit I am a fan of RF’s new site, TTAG. Whether I agree with him or not, there is routinely thought provoking posts and interesting, well written reviews.

    In short, I feel like TTAC has lost it’s spark that one made it a daily visit for me and this post only confirms it.

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    I stand by my earlier comments but its interesting reading people condemn and defend one another. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, and even a troll can occasionally contribute something constructive to a conversation.

    • 0 avatar
      redav

      Trolls often contribute much positive material. It’s the method that makes the troll, not the content.

      Trolling may be used to simply get some entertainment, but it is also an effective way to percolate items that you feel need to be mentioned. In fact, the Socratic method is a type of trolling because one’s comments & replies are intended to lead them along (litterally “trolling”) as well as spark an emotional response so that they become invested in seeing the discussion through (the key to internet trolling).

  • avatar
    MDBT

    I vote for Bertel as top troll.

  • avatar
    Scoutdude

    I nominate anyone and everyone who has every used the term EgoBoost in reference to turbocharged Ford products as the use clearly shows that doing so is done to boost their own ego. After all isn’t boosting one’s ego the root of all trolling?

  • avatar
    thirty-three

    It’s important to distinguish between a troll and someone who posts things you don’t like. Some of the nominees are people whose posts I ignore, but they are not trolls. I simply don’t care for their opinions. There are some writers here whose articles I skip over too.

    I think Bertel has banned most of the trolls here. They’re the people who post the same tired crap over and over again to piss people off. They like to bring up hot topics and throw a discussion way off-topic.

    • 0 avatar
      APaGttH

      Exactly. I could be a child and nominate one poster who I won’t – my only reason for nomination is I disagree with them 99.9999999999999% of the time and they with me. Most of our posts devolve into a Point Counter Point Jane you ignorant slut conversation.

      Although they ALWAYS have to have the last word *snicker*

      With that said, they aren’t a troll, just misguided. ;-)

      • 0 avatar
        Xeranar

        I laughed out loud in the waiting room at the dealership because I heard it in Dan Ackroyd’s voice. Now to just get the recall work done and get out of here.

        On topic: I infintely hate the libterarian crowd on here but wouldn’t have them banned. A free and open society is a great benefit.

  • avatar
    Tifighter

    Seems pretty clear to me that this poll is not what most think it is. The secret rule here should be fun, I’d guess…looking forward to it.

    I do sorta miss Vanila Dude’s tirades on minivans. A few of them were pretty funny.

  • avatar
    Robert Gordon

    The fact that the very first rule states nominating a TTAC editor is forbidden is very telling. It’s almost as if the expectation was that people would overwhelmingly vote that the editors are the worst trolls.

    Let’s read those definitions again:

    Wikipedia says it is “someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.”

    The Urban Dictionary says a troll is “someone with nothing worthwhile to add to a certain conversation, but rather continually threadjacks or changes the subject, as well as thinks every member of the forum is talking about them and only them.”

  • avatar
    86SN2001

    -Silvy_Nonsense
    -Loser
    -SV

    In no particular order. They all are equally number 1.

    • 0 avatar
      Silvy_nonsense

      Z71 Silvy, you’re just nominating me because I point out your nonsense. You’re supposed to nominate people who troll the site in general, not people who troll you in particular.

      • 0 avatar
        86SN2001

        You point out nothing of the sort. Again, just because you don’t like and cant handle the truth, doesn’t mean someone is a troll.

        You just nominated me because you dont like to hear thd truth, and you’re probably intimidated by me. That’s fine, but you should at least be honest.

      • 0 avatar
        Silvy_nonsense

        86SN2001,

        I’m sorry for mocking you so often. You’ve been alternately picked on and ignored all your life and the anti-bullying messages directed at today’s teens aren’t lost on me. It gets better.

  • avatar
    Syke

    VoltsOnFire, APaGttH, 86SN2001

  • avatar
    manbridge

    Please change my screen name to “TTAC Deathwatch.” Stat.

  • avatar
    Silvy_nonsense

    One more nomination for 86SN2001.

    • 0 avatar
      Hoser

      Agreed for 86SN2001.

      • 0 avatar
        IHateCars

        +1

        The guy just seems to wait for a Ford related article so that he can post the inevitable “Ford sucks” comments only to end with “…but I don’t hate Ford.” when someone calls him on it. I’m at a loss to see how someone can have that much hate for a car company.
        Maybe his puppy was run over by a Ford when he was a kid.

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        He doesn’t hate all Fords. He hates FWD Fords, as well as any Fords that use a turbocharger as a substitute for displacement.

        Basically, it’s Panther (and Fox) Love taken to some rather weird extreme. He’s like the obsessed jilted boyfriend who still can’t believe that his former love has abandoned him.

    • 0 avatar
      Ian Anderson

      Agreed on 86SN2001 and all of his alter-egos…

  • avatar
    Summicron

    PCH said:
    “But regardless, the entire thread is a troll. The whole thing is designed to provoke the audience and to encourage the posters here to turn on each other.”

    That’s how it smells to me, Bertel’s indulging in his own type of German Engineering.

  • avatar
    icemilkcoffee

    Boycott Government Motors. The Panther platform is so overrated. I usually have my dog go behind Crown Vics and pee on them. Miatas are for gay hairdressers. I pee on Miatas myself. Top Gear is for losers. Consumer’s Report is the Word of God. Toyota >>>> all. If Toyota built the Space Shuttle, it would still be flying. I street race all the time in my mom’s V6 Camry with twin electric superchargers and modified custom exhaust. Noone’s beaten me yet. I eat Mustangs for breakfast.

    How am I doing?

  • avatar

    Bring back the battle wagons… the BBs, the Iowa class battle ships!!!

    • 0 avatar
      Dimwit

      I don’t know. In the age of drone warfare something the size of a BB seems waaay too big to survive. I don’t care how many R2D2′s you slap on the thing, it’s too big, too slow and doesn’t bring the rain like it used to. And it’s expensive to run to boot.

      Sorry Ob, it’s day is done.

  • avatar
    Lumbergh21

    Anybody who has been on other boards should appreciate TTAC. I disagree with many on here. I even consider some remarks to be inflamatory, juvenile, and plain stupid. But nobody on here rise to the level of “Troll.”

    As a big sports fan and dare I say, avid fantasy football player (I know, I thuoght it was ridiculous too until I was finally talked into it; then I was hooked), if you want to see Trolls thriving in the online environment check-out any of ESPN’s boards, especially when that sport’s season is active. On the other end of the spectrum , so far on the other end that it was the same, was the Cartalk Boards, which I haven’t been on in close to ten years now – do they even still exist. The trolls on there had a different title, “Moderator.”

    The overall professional air of TTAC and those that come here is what keeps me coming back. It’s enjoyable to not deal with teenagers and their ridiculous on-line behavior. Long live TTAC!

  • avatar
    CA Guy

    If I had a magic wand I would turn the site over to Brendan McAleer, Michael Karesh, Alex Dykes, Sajeev Mehta, and Steve Lang. They like to write about cars, and they do it well. That’s all.

  • avatar
    Muttley Alfa Barker

    As my top troll, I nominate Jeremy Clarkson, as runner-up, I nominate Paul Niedermeyer, as 2nd-runner-up, I nominate Jack Baruth.

  • avatar
    Dimwit

    *Sigh* Really guys? Really?!!!!!

  • avatar
    Muttley Alfa Barker

    My top troll is Bertel Schmitt, runner-up is Jack Baruth, and second runner-up is Jeremy Clarkson.

  • avatar
    Athos Nobile

    What has happened here is quite obvious. One of the fundamental rules of the interwebZ has been violated.

    198 comments and counting shows that you guys still don’t have a clue on who deserves the top spot.

  • avatar
    cgjeep

    I’ve been reading this site for a long long time but I’m lazy so it took me forever to get a log on and begin commenting. I would love to comment more but I tend to read the site at work and due to where I work I can’t comment from a work computer.

    Trolling on this site is minimal and what little there is is often entertaining and appears to be targeted to specific users. For instance someone will make fun of Saabs to upset NormSV650 or there use to be some zingers at Dr. Olds or Dr. Buick (can’t remember the name).

    I’ve learned more from the commenters on this site then I have from the writers and I think that is what makes this site so special. Not knocking the writers, but the commenters here are way above the average for a car site. I really have no interest in a 77 Aspen but I look forward to reading the comments on it and hope some day there will be a junkyard post on something I have experience with so I can chime in (VW Quantum please).

    As great is this site is I do feel it use to be better and hopefully with new writers coming there will be more articles and of greater variety. I get the sense that the current writers are tired. Please do more articles on car reviews, they don’t have to be new cars or even noteworthy ones.

    Don’t ask us to clean up the trash in your yard. If you as a moderator think someone is trolling take care of it yourself.

    Please keep politics off of this site, there are plenty of other sites to go for that. My thoughts are probably more extreme then yours but I keep them to myself here.

    Bring back Vanilla Dude.

  • avatar
    Bimmer

    86SN2001, aka P71_Crown Vic, aka Z71_silvy

    he might have changed a name but his posts still the same.

  • avatar
    PrincipalDan

    What would have been more productive would have been a thread about baning certain words and phrases.

    “EgoBost”, “VW 2.Slow”, “Government Motors”, “Fiat-sler”, … Come on guys I know you can help ad to this list.

  • avatar
    Bimmer

    I’m not sure what happened to my post, but I don’t see it anywhere.

    My nomination would be for 86SN2001.

  • avatar
    nickoo

    I nominate BlackDynamiteOnline. That dude is on every single car website I read–which isn’t a good thing.

    Second mention goes to Zackman for working late model chevy impala references into literally every one of his posts. Subtle troll is best troll, eh Zackman?

  • avatar
    rwb

    Hate myself for enjoying this so much.

    86SN2001 / Z71_Silvy
    Volts On Fire

  • avatar
    rwb

    I am ashamed to enjoy this so much.

    86SN2001 / Z71_Silvy
    Volts On Fire

  • avatar
    rwb

    86SN2001
    Volts On Fire

    I’m ashamed to enjoy this so much.

  • avatar
    YYYYguy

    Bertel, are you asking us to turn on each other?
    Not me…we’re all in this together.

  • avatar
    210delray

    If this was Edmunds, I’d nominate 1487 (the man with a number for a name) in a heartbeat.

    Here, I’m not so sure. But if 86SN2001 really was Z71 Silvy and P71 Crown Vic before that, I’d give him a nomination.

    I agree that Pch101 should NOT be on the troll nominee list; he’s quite knowledgeable, just a bit stubborn at times.

    Mikey, you were never a troll, always enjoy your posts!

    No way is Zackman a troll, come on nickoo!

    And put me down in the camp of giving VanillaDude a second chance.

  • avatar
    HeartlandJack

    Bring back VanillaDude!

  • avatar
    sastexan

    I wouldn’t use the term “troll”, but bigtruckseriesreview @ Youtube pops on here solely to plug his own channel for free. Bertel should either make him a legit editor to drive traffic to him or ban him from the self-promotion. Or make him pay click rates for any leads he gets.

    I have no issues with him making his living, and even enjoy a few of his reviews, but without banning that MacNeil guy could show up hawking his floormats, tuner shops promoting their kits, etc.

    • 0 avatar

      While there’s nothing shameful about a little shameless self-promotion, and while I’ve been known to hype a particular 3D car site here and elsewhere, some folks take site spamming to a new level.

    • 0 avatar

      “Trolling” is when someone is laughing their head off while typing inflammatory comments.

      What I do doesn’t qualify.

      You do realize I’ve contributed to TTAC’s best & Brightest before?

      I wrote a small piece about HELOC loans for cars.

      In fact I have emailed TTAC to contribute more. Considering I live in the financial world and I drive every single car of interest, and modify cars for hobby, you’d think I could contribute a lot more.

      Don’t be mad my Youtube pulls over $500 a month.

  • avatar
    Type57SC

    Wow, I hope Derek recovers soon and you don’t feel so much pressure for generating page clicks, or whatever caused you to feel this was the right thing to do. This is moronic. What’s next, an ‘awesomeness manifesto’ that you betray the next day?

  • avatar
    el scotto

    The trolls come on here to find something they don’t have in real life. Snarky, rude, and always predictable are there modus operandii. Rarely worth logging in to make a comment to counteract their spewing bile. I could really give two hoots about someone I’ll never meet.
    I place more value on commentators I like, agree with, or respect. It’s rare that happens with a Canadian author. Not blogger, writer.

  • avatar
    truffle_shuffle_steer

    I gotta go ahead an nominate Danny Bahr, Cerberus Financial, and the Porsche Cayenne v6 (which cost $50K and takes 9 seconds to get to 60)…

    But yea- that Danny Bahr guy is a dick…

  • avatar
    JaySeis

    I believe TTAC needs a troll or two to liven things up. Perhaps a title like Monstrous Anal Gear Head Who Won’t Let It Go is more TTAC apropo.

    • 0 avatar
      truffle_shuffle_steer

      +1
      What if instead of banning anybody we just had a poll where the community or the mods or somebody just changed the names of whoever for like a month…

      e.g. BigTrucks would have his name changed to shameless_plug for a week… IDK could be a fun was to keep things interesting and light… I feel like the key to why I like this site to much is because it feels more like real people having a conversation than a bunch of jerks screaming at each other from behind a curtain. Plus I can’t figure out how the F*&% to get the comment system to work over at Jalopnik so… there’s that…

      Come to think of it you guys could have all sorts of fun with this kind of thing- have a murlee martin day where everybody’s posts show up as Murlee Martin… or a Jack Baruth day… well… let’s not push it but you get the idea…

  • avatar
    ravenchris

    Another 200+ comment post.
    Hail victory Herr Schmitt.

  • avatar
    Athos Nobile

    Just for the heck of it

    Post count +1

    :D

  • avatar
    MeaCulpa

    Come on, this stuff is getting old.

  • avatar
    Bluto

    I nominate TTAC’s premiere embroidered jacket salesman, Ronnie Schrieber. Because that 3D cars website is so laughably put together it HAS to be a huge, elaborate troll. Also, bomber jackets with vroom vrooms on the back.

  • avatar
    Muttley Alfa Barker

    Top trolls are Bertel Schmitt, Jack Baruth, and myself (@Seth1065, I would absolutely LOVE your ragtop, turbo’d, 5 speed 900)

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    86SN2001

    I have to be in the lead (shows how many people don’t like to hear the TRUTH). I’m at 11!

    I can’t wait for my trip to Disney World!

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    wstarvingteacher

    I have the feeling that we have all been beaten like rented mules. Bertel said that baiting a troll was the way to uncover them then said he would have a contest instead. The contest was the bait and it has been hit almost 300 times.

    One thing came out of this that was good. I just read several of you pushing the very limits and, in reality probably resorting to ad hominem attacks. Nothing solidifies like an external enemy. Now I have read how you really don’t consider each other to be trolls despite (in some cases) seeing you use that name in various kerfuffles.

    I appreciate the site and enjoy reading it. I read about 1/3 of the stories but always subscribe to the comments because the B & B are very knowledgeable and entertaining. I think this may make some feel rather foolish about having badmouthed each other and may bring a little calmness and respect in the near future. Either that or Bertel is going to have a public hanging which would amount to shooting himself in the foot.

    Either way, I’m going back to my rathole and happy for the newfound respect some of you have found for each other. I am rather curious as to what Bertel will have to say.

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    Lorenzo

    I haven’t the time to read all those comments!
    Have I been nominated yet?

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    cdakost

    Surprised I didn’t get nominated by 86SN2001 for calling him out all the time. Still he wins in my book.

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    old fart

    I nominate bigtruckseriesreview @ Youtube Seems like he only wants to advertise his own agenda, otherwise everyone is totally cool


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